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    Augustine is pretty small though. About 5'11 i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasinoRoyal View Post
    Augustine is pretty small though. About 5'11 i think.
    His size is the biggest knock on him, but Chris Paul isnt exactly a giant. DJ also has a prett long reach for his size

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasinoRoyal View Post
    Augustine is pretty small though. About 5'11 i think.
    I spoke to a number of NBA executives about the results to get their views.

    The overwhelming majority disregard height (with or without shoes). They now focus on how far a player can extend: standing reach (vertical) and wingspan (horizontal).

    So while some fans are worried that Augustin is only 5-foot-10 in socks, that's not the key for NBA front offices. They want more info. What is his wingspan? What is his standing reach? How explosive is he athletically? All of those variables factor into the equation.

    In Augustin's case, he measures out as a legitimate point guard prospect with a standing reach that exceeds Chris Paul's by an inch and a half and matches Mike Conley's and Jordan Farmar's. I did speak with one executive who thought Augustin would fall because of his measurements. Remember, both Paul and Conley went No. 4 in the draft.
    Alot of factors go into evaluating a player.
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    It should be noted that most small PGs (including Paul...don't tell me he gets a lot of steals or was an the All Defensive Team, because he is a BAD defender) are defensive liabilities. It's just harder for them to keep bigger PGs off the post and fight through screens on pick and rolls.

    Smaller PGs can get by on the offensive side of the ball, but they will tend to get eaten up on D. Needless to say, I'm not a big Augustin fan.
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    Right Paul is by far the best PG in the NBA. But he does not play defense. I love him though as a player. Its not really DJ size im worried about. Its him fitting what we do. I think Mayo or Gordon would fit alot better. Or Bayless who is pretty special also if he can learn to pass.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhTAQ...eature=related

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    Alexander looking good, McGee not so much:
    Update June 10th
    Who has played well and who has struggled one week into team workouts? Getting reliable info isn't easy.

    NBA agents often pick up the phone and call immediately following workouts, saying something to the effect of, "My client kicked someone else's client's butt in the workouts."

    NBA GMs and scouts aren't much better at this point. They tend to say they like everyone -- partly out of fear of offending the prospect's agent and partly because they don't want to show their hand this close to the draft.

    The other source of information is the players themselves. While they usually tend to overstate how well they personally played in a workout, they can be pretty accurate about how the other players in the gym performed.

    So while the information that follows shouldn't be taken as 100% fact, I've tried my best to filter out the garbage and get the best possible read on the situation.

    Here's what we're hearing:

    The Hot List

    Alexander Joe Alexander, F, West Virginia
    Alexander had workouts in Milwaukee and New York, and both went well. His toughness and shooting ability have made quite an impression.

    I originally thought Alexander would struggle to crack the top 10 because of his lack of big-time experience, but now I can see how Alexander would appeal to coaches who like toughness (Scott Skiles) and coaches who like athletes who can get up and down the floor (Mike D'Antoni).

    We've had Alexander at No. 13 for a while, but it's entirely possible that he finds his way into the middle of the lottery.

    Hickson J.J. Hickson, F, NC State
    It shouldn't come as a huge shock that Hickson has wowed a few people in early workouts -- he's a very skilled big man who has an NBA body. Plus, he had an excellent freshman season.

    "He's just incredibly strong for his age," Suns GM David Griffin said of Hickson after he worked out for the Suns. "He has a naturally thick body. He can bang on the perimeter, and he's also got a pretty quick face-up game."

    We've had Hickson pegged in the 20s for the past several months, but I'm starting to hear more buzz that he could move into the teens if he continues to have strong workouts.

    Hickson has worked out for the Suns, Sixers, Sonics and Blazers so far.

    White D.J. White, F, Indiana
    It was surprising that White skipped the Orlando predraft camp, but it appears that move isn't hurting him. He has worked out for the Nets, Magic and Wizards and has more than held his own against some of the more heralded big men prospects in the draft -- Darrell Arthur and Marreese Speights.

    He measures well at 6-foot-9 in shoes with a 7-foot-2 wingspan, and he's tested very well in some of the athletic drills. And while talk of a four-year senior being hot is odd these days, remember that White is still just 21 years old -- only a few months older than O.J. Mayo.

    The Not List

    LawsonTy Lawson, PG, North Carolina
    Lawson had a couple of very good workouts in Cleveland and Indiana. And he had an impressive Orlando predraft camp. But then he got busted for driving after consuming alcohol (he's underage). At a time of year when teams are super sensitive to character issues, this won't help his cause.

    How can a team like the Pacers (who had him in to workout against D.J. Augustin) take him now after all of the legal nightmares the team has endured recently with its players?

    On top of that, Lawson twisted an ankle in a workout with the Wizards on Monday.

    McGeeJaVale McGee, F, Nevada
    McGee is long and athletic. But it's not a good thing when the best praise he gets from those who have seen him work out is, "You can't teach height." That's usually code for: "He stinks, but he's big." McGee got a lot of buzz this year after an excellent performance against North Carolina. And his basketball pedigree -- his mom played in the WNBA -- and perimeter skills helped justify the hype. However, his so-so numbers at the combine and lukewarm reviews from his workouts have several GMs wondering if he's worth a mid-first-round selection.

    • A number of top international prospects are in Treviso, Italy, performing in front of NBA scouts at the Reebok Eurocamp.

    ESPN's Fran Fraschilla is in Italy covering the camp and will have a full report later. But through the first few days, I've spoken with a couple of scouts who have attended the camp.

    Here's what we're hearing about the top players there:

    IbakaSerge Ibaka, F, Congo
    Most NBA teams got a good look at Ibaka at the Nike Hoop Summit, where he played well against some of the top high school players in the country. But he didn't blow anyone away.

    He has good size and is an explosive leaper, but the rest of his game is still raw. He doesn't have the strength or inclination to play in the paint, but he also lacks great quickness, limiting his ability to guard small forwards. And for someone who likes to play on the perimeter, he isn't a dead-eye shooter. As a physical prospect, Ibaka is very interesting. But as a basketball player, he still has a lot of question marks.

    Ibaka played well on the first and third days of Eurocamp, but he struggled at other times. He's a likely late-first-round pick if he stays in the draft.

    Nicolas Batum, G/F, France
    Batum, who once was considered a potential lottery pick before a so-so year in France, played in a game Monday in an effort to create some draft buzz. He shot 6-for-18, and 1-for-7 from 3. I don't think that was the impression he was hoping to make.

    Goran Dragic, G, Slovenia
    A number of scouts love Dragic. He's a big point guard with good athleticism, but his lack of a perimeter game and his so-so court vision have kept him out of the first-round talk.

    According to scouts, he played well in a private workout Sunday and again in game action Monday.

    Omer Asik and Semih Erden, C, Turkey
    With their team in Turkey failing to clear them for 5-on-5 play, Asik and Erden showed up to play in a workout. While both players are big and athletic, there is an interesting split among scouts about who's the better prospect. Asik is raw on the offensive end. Erden is more polished, but has a reputation for being immature.

    • Later this week, we'll have an in-depth look at the top international prospects in the draft and examine their waning influence at the top of the draft.

    Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
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    Draft will start to take shape this afternoon:
    Updated: June 16, 2008

    The deadline for underclassmen to withdraw from the NBA draft is Monday at 5 p.m. ET. A total of 91 players have declared for the draft, but typically at least a third of that group will decide to return to school or to their international teams.

    A number of top prospects have already hired an agent, ending their college eligibility, while others are in the process of hiring an agent. Every underclassman in Insider's Top 20 is in the draft: Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, O.J. Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, Anthony Randolph, Eric Gordon, Brook Lopez, D.J. Augustin, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Darrell Arthur, Joe Alexander, Donte Greene, DeAndre Jordan, Marreese Speights, Kosta Koufos, JaVale McGee, Brandon Rush, and Robin Lopez.

    And a number of other underclassmen are also in for good despite not being projected as a top-20 pick, including Mario Chalmers, J.J. Hickson, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Trent Plaisted, Davon Jefferson and George Hill.

    On the flip side, a handful of prospects on the list have already dropped out of the draft and are returning to school: Antonio Anderson, Josh Carter, Alonzo Gee, Danny Green, Stefon Jackson, Leo Lyons, Jerel McNeal, Josh Shipp, Lee Cummard and Lorenzo Wade.

    And a few others are also leaning toward pulling their names out, including Jeremy Pargo, Robert Dozier, Ronald Steele, John Riek and DeMarre Carroll.

    That leaves some interesting names still on the fence going into the last day.

    Of the fence-sitters, Chase Budinger and Ty Lawson are likely to stay in the draft, according to sources.

    Budinger has been told by teams he's in the 15-25 range, and that seems to be good enough for him.

    As for Lawson, rumors abound that Denver has made a promise to him at No. 20, but Lawson and the Nuggets both deny it. He has been very good in workouts, I've been told, and has even impressed a couple of lottery teams with his shooting and toughness. His off-court issues and lack of size make him one of the biggest wild cards right now, but I'd say the odds are in favor of his staying in the draft.

    There are also rumors that Bill Walker has gotten a promise from a team late in the first round. However, ESPN.com's Andy Katz is reporting that Walker has hurt his knee again, which puts his draft status seriously in doubt.

    Richard Hendrix seems likely to stay in the draft. He has already graduated from school and stands to gain little by returning to Alabama for a final season. The biggest knock on him is his height, but another season of college ball won't help that.

    Ryan Anderson and Jamont Gordon both have a good shot of getting a commitment from a team late in the first round. Anderson has been praised at workouts for his shooting ability despite questions about what position he'd play in the pros. Meanwhile, teams that think Gordon can make the transition to the point believe he has first-round potential.

    Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is a defensive presence, but he probably needs another year at UCLA to have a chance to solidify his status in the first round. The same holds true for Wayne Ellington -- teams like his jump shot, but he's most likely not cracking the first round this year.

    Robert Vaden and Lester Hudson are wild cards. Both are coming off huge seasons and both have age issues that could push them into the draft now.
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    One international player could make some serious noise at the deadline on Monday. Over the weekend, several sources said Italy's Danilo Gallinari might withdraw from the draft despite his projection as a lottery pick. According to sources from two teams, Gallinari's American agent, Arn Tellem, is telling teams that if he doesn't have a guarantee by Monday from a team drafting in the top 10, he'll withdraw.

    Tellem denied the rumors on Sunday evening, telling ESPN.com via text message that Gallinari is "staying in the draft."

    Does this mean Gallinari has received a promise from a team?

    The Knicks and Nets -- the two teams Tellem has been targeting -- got private workouts with Gallinari last week, and both were impressed with his size and shooting ability. But as of Sunday, two sources, one close to each team, said they told Tellem they were not willing to commit to drafting him.

    Two other teams got a look at Gallinari in Los Angeles -- the Clippers and Grizzlies -- but a source said neither team got as much access as the Knicks and Nets. The Clippers are high on Gallinari, but I don't think Gallinari is targeting them.

    There are rumblings that the Timberwolves got a look, too. But I think the No. 3 pick is too high for Gallinari to get a guarantee. Plus, Minnesota is talking with a number of teams about trades right now.

    So where did the promise come from?

    Knicks president Donnie Walsh doesn't give promises, especially this early in the draft. So it's conceivable the Nets have made a promise, despite their denials.

    But if not, why would Gallinari pull out? Clearly, Tellem wants him to avoid a similar situation to that of Yi Jianlian last year. Yi wanted to go to a big-market team but ended up being drafted by the Bucks, and it took protracted negotiations to get Yi to Milwaukee. Tellem may decide it's better for Gallinari to wait a year and have him try for next year's draft, where he could possibly be in the conversation for the No. 1 pick, given the relative weakness of the '09 class.

    Meanwhile, two other international players projected in the second half of the first round -- Nicolas Batum and Alexis Ajinca -- are staying in the draft, according to their agent, Bouna Ndiaye, who spoke with ESPN.com.

    As for the rest of the young international players, it appears many of their agents are following the new thinking that getting drafted in the second round is preferable to getting drafted in the first round because international players can actually make more money going in the second round since teams are no longer encumbered by the first-round rookie salary cap.

    This means that most of the top young international players -- including Serge Ibaka, Ante Tomic, Victor Claver and Giorgi Shermadini -- are leaning strongly toward staying in the draft despite not having first-round guarantees. In fact, in most cases their agents don't want them going in the first round.

    The only international players who seem likely to pull out are the ones who might go undrafted. That means it's likely that Rudy Mbemba (who was injured in workouts over the weekend), Nando De Colo and Luc Louves will withdraw before the deadline.

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    The word is Hibbert has been very impressive in his pre-draft workouts. I originally was hoping that my Jazz would not draft him, but I have been warming up to him a little bit...however, it looks like he may not even be there at #23.
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    Ford's Mock 5.0
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    Few big names among International prospects:
    In 2002, Yao Ming became the first international player to go No. 1 in the NBA draft. Yao's arrival -- combined with the emerging games of young international players like Dirk Nowitzki and Pau Gasol -- held the promise of the league being flooded with international prospects from around the world.

    In 2003, NBA teams drafted a record eight international players in the first round and another 12 in the second round. Fueled by Euro fever, Darko Milicic was taken ahead of Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade. Mickael Pietrus and Zarko Cabarkapa went ahead of David West. Of the 2003 group, only two players -- Boris Diaw (21) and Leandro Barbosa (28) -- have had a significant impact in the league.

    Since that high point, international draft prospects have had a somewhat smaller impact in the draft and the league.

    In 2004, six international players went in the first round. In 2005, there were just four. In 2006, six were drafted in the first round, including the No. 1 overall pick. In 2007, the number was five.

    The draft hasn't produced an international All-Star since 2002. Since Yao, there have been a few solid players, such as Andris Biedrins and Anderson Varejao, but there hasn't been anyone who has dominated the league the way international scouts had hoped.



    International scouts have been sifting through the rubble to figure out what went wrong. Had they strip-mined the world by identifying and drafting young players too soon? Did the success of international teams against Team USA in international tournaments have more to do with teamwork and style of play than it did international talent?

    Whatever the explanation, the effect has been noticeable. Scouts even have a name for the dwindling number of international players coming into the league: the Darko backlash.

    In 2003, international players were viewed with rose-colored lenses, with scouts gliding over weaknesses and overemphasizing strengths. The opposite is taking place now.

    "I'm shocked at the high level of scrutiny that the international prospects are now getting," one American who scouts overseas told ESPN.com. "It's back to the dark days now. Even when a player has major success in Europe, GMs are skeptical. The pendulum has really swung to the other side. It used to be a bonus if you had a passport and a jump shot. Now it's a detriment."

    Complicating things is a recent trend toward international prospects choosing to stay in Europe over playing in the NBA. Five years ago, international players would pay massive buyouts out of their own pockets to get to the NBA. Now? With the American dollar weak, the Euro surging and European teams gaining more financial resources, more and more international players are choosing to stay overseas.



    That trend burned the Magic in 2005 when they selected Fran Vazquez at No. 11 despite numerous reports that Vazquez didn't want to leave Spain. The Magic thought the allure of being an NBA player would be enough. Instead Vazquez signed a big deal in Spain and hasn't been seen since.

    Brazilian big man Tiago Splitter just pulled the same move on the Spurs. The Spurs selected Splitter with the 28th pick in the 2007 draft with an expectation that they'd bring him to San Antonio a year later. Instead, Splitter signed a two-year deal with Tau Ceramica last week that will pay him more than twice as much as the Spurs could offer under the rookie salary cap.

    Had the Spurs drafted Splitter in the second round, the rookie salary cap wouldn't have applied and they could've offered Splitter up to $5 million per season to come, though they may not have been willing to pay that much. This combination of factors has more and more teams, along with player agents for international players, eyeing the second round of the draft as a more appropriate place to take international projects.

    "It used to be that teams in the 20s could take a young international prospect, stash him overseas for a few years and then, if he developed, bring him over," one GM said. "Those days are over. European teams are getting more aggressive about keeping their top young players. If you draft them late in the first round, the NBA team is at a disadvantage financially. We just can't keep up. I think teams are going to abandon the practice completely. We'll start taking guys in the second round. At least that way we can compete financially if we need to."

    That sets up a very interesting scenario this year. There is actually quite a lot of international talent in this year's draft, though much of it is unproven. In other years, we'd be talking about five to seven first-round picks. This year? One international player is a lock for the top 15. Everyone else becomes questionable for the first round completely because of buyouts and related concerns.

    With that background, here's my take on the top 15 international players in the draft, based on conversations with a number of international scouts and NBA executives.
    I agree with teams being picky with Euros outside of the lotto and even in it. They want to go to the big markets, they can get more money overseas and those facotors would make it tricky. It turns into a wasted pick, even if you are the Spurs that still had a good season but just think if they had that younger big man in the paint? But still you can not overlook them and I guess you have to take that chance?
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    Top 15 prospects:
    1. Danilo Gallinari, F, Italy*
    Only 19 years old, Gallinari has already had a significant impact on European basketball -- in both the Euroleague and the Italian league. He plays very hard, possesses great leadership skills and has an extraordinary basketball IQ for a player his age.

    There are some questions about his NBA 3-point range and what position he'd play in the NBA. He can play the point-forward role on offense, but scouts don't believe he has the lateral quickness to guard 3s. A few GMs see him as a skilled 4, similar to Lamar Odom.

    Right now, Gallinari could go as high as No. 3 to Minnesota; I doubt he slips past Portland at No. 13.

    2. Nicolas Batum, G/F, France*
    Batum looked like a lock for the 2007 lottery after last year's scintillating Hoop Summit performance. But inexplicably, Batum decided against entering the draft. And he has fallen under much harsher scrutiny this year.

    Batum has the athleticism, size and skill set to thrive in the NBA. But he lacks the assertiveness (or confidence) to live up to his potential right now -- he struggles to create offense for himself. An unimpressive performance at the Reebok Eurocamp this month didn't help his cause.

    A lot of teams will look at him closely from No. 15 on down, but who will pull the trigger? As it stands, there's no guarantee Batum goes in the first round; teams later in the draft will worry about getting Batum to come to the NBA on the cheap.

    3. Serge Ibaka, F, Congo*
    Ibaka is an NBA athlete all the way. He is an explosive leaper who can perform jaw-dropping dunks a la Tyrus Thomas.

    But it's unclear if he really knows how to play the game. Despite being just an OK shooter, Ibaka often settles for perimeter shots. And he hasn't developed anything resembling a low-post game yet.

    He has significant upside, but he's a real project at this point, which casts his draft status in uncertain terms. I could see a team with multiple first-round picks -- like the Nets, Sonics or Grizzlies -- taking a flier on Ibaka in the first round. But if they were not to bring him over right away, they would run the risk of him blowing up in Spain and never coming to the NBA.

    4. Alexis Ajinca, F/C, France*
    An athletic big man who runs the floor well and has a certain smoothness to his game that most big men lack, Ajinca has been on the NBA radar since he was 16. He was the best international player at this year's Hoop Summit and won over some fans.

    His production in France has been inconsistent. He's considered project with significant upside, but at age 21, how much longer can he be discussed in terms of potential.

    5. Ante Tomic, F/C, Croatia*
    Another very productive player in Europe, Tomic has the size and skill to be an excellent high-post center in the pros. On talent, he's a late lottery pick.

    But he is paper-thin, and scouts worry he'll get pushed around in the pros.

    Even more troubling for NBA teams is the fact that Tomic still has two years left on his existing deal, without an NBA buyout. If he continues to play well in Europe, a late-first-round salary just won't cut it. Therefore, he might be better off as an early second-round pick. That way, if he develops, a team can afford to pay him.

    Some teams believe Tomic will pull out of the draft, but don't count on it. His agent Marc Cornstein has scheduled a big team workout for him in New York after the pullout date.

    6. Nathan Jawai, F/C, Australia
    With huge hands and a long wingspan, Jawai is a load in the paint. He also moves well for a big man and shows a solid perimeter game. He had a big year in the Australian pro league and has had solid reviews in workouts so far.

    Jawai also isn't a risk for teams because players make significantly less in the Australian league, so he won't refuse to come to the NBA after being drafted.

    7. Omer Asik, C, Turkey
    Asik is a long, physical big man with good athleticism and a great motor -- he can be relentless on both ends of the floor.

    Unlike most other European players, Asik isn't highly skilled. He relies on hustle and energy, which has made him a really intriguing prospect.

    Asik has two more years on his contract in Turkey and doesn't have an NBA buyout. Teams will likely want to take him in the second round so they can afford to bring him to the NBA in the future if he continues to develop.

    8. Omri Casspi, F, Israel*
    Casspi is the latest in a line of athletes to earn the designation as the best NBA prospect in Israel. He is a tough, aggressive player. If his shot develops, he could be a serious first-round contender.

    A few teams like the Pistons will give him a look because of his toughness and grit.

    But it's unclear whether Casspi is in the draft for good or he'll pull out by the deadline.

    9. Victor Claver, F, Spain*
    Claver is a young prospect who probably has first-round talent. But a subpar year at Valencia has hurt his stock a little. He has been playing better lately, and he is currently in the United States going through draft workouts.

    A team could take a flier on him late in the first round, but that would come with the risk of being unable to pay him if he were to pan out. He would most likely be a second-round pick this year, which means he'll probably pull out of the draft.

    10. Nikola Pekovic, F/C, Serbia
    Pekovic has dominated in Europe this year, averaging 17.6 ppg in the Euroleague this season. He's a tough, physical player with a great motor, but he lacks the ideal size and athleticism to be a great NBA big man.

    Pekovic is another player who might be considered for the first round, but he just signed a lucrative deal with Greek powerhouse Panathanikos. His agent, Jeff Schwartz, has been telling teams not to draft him in the first round to ensure that, if he wants to come to the NBA, he won't have to take an unfavorable contract to do so.

    Said Schwartz: "He's going to make too much money in Europe to take such a huge pay cut to come to the league given the first round rookie salary scale restrictions."

    11. Rudy Mbemba, PG, Sweden
    Mbemba might be the toughest player in the draft to project. He is a great athlete -- very quick, with an NBA body. In the past few Reebok Eurocamps, he's been quite impressive.

    But his lack of size and playing experience at a high level, along with questions about his floor management skills, have a lot of GMs asking questions about his long-term future in the pros.

    I think Mbemba has a chance to be a real talent in the NBA, but someone is going to have to roll the dice on him in the second round.

    12. Goran Dragic, G, Slovenia
    The athletic, Slovenian guard plays with aggression and intensity. But teams question his shooting ability and aren't sure he's a pure point guard.

    He's one of those players, like countryman Beno Udrih, who is a better player in games than he is in workouts. He is a second-rounder, but he could turn out to be one of the better international players in this draft.

    13. Semih Erden, C, Turkey
    Erden has been on the NBA radar for years. He's slowly progressing as a player, but right now it's fair to say he's still a project.

    A team might be willing to draft him in the second round and keep him overseas for the next few years to see if he develops.

    14. Giorgi Shermadini, F/C, Georgia*
    The mystery man from Georgia isn't much of a mystery anymore. I saw the Mr. Bean lookalike in Las Vegas a few weeks ago and didn't come away all that impressed.

    He is skilled and plays hard, but he lacks the physical strength or athleticism to be a surefire NBA player. Still, a lot of teams are interested in him as a second-round project.

    15. Nando De Colo, PG, France*
    De Colo is a crafty combo guard who is really fun to watch -- he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve as a playmaker. But teams question his athleticism and his ability to guard quicker players.

    He probably will pull out of the draft, but teams are watching his development closely.

    Best of the rest: Rodrigue Beaubois, PG, France; Anton Ponkrashov, G, Russia; Mantas Kalnietis, PG, Lithuania; Luc Louves, F, France; Uros Tripkovic, G, Serbia; Peja Samardziski, C, Macedonia; Vladimir Gulubovic, F, Serbia; Nikita Shabalkin, F, Russia.

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    Any syracuse fans or watcher on here? Because i fell in love with Donte Greene. That man has talent. I only seen his highlights though and well you know how that goes...

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    I'd love to see my Nuggets pick up Mario Chalmers. 6'1" PG that shoots the lights out and loves to play D. He isn't the prototypical floor general, but where we're drafting, you can't have everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    I'd love to see my Nuggets pick up Mario Chalmers. 6'1" PG that shoots the lights out and loves to play D. He isn't the prototypical floor general, but where we're drafting, you can't have everything.

    Where is Denver drafting? Unless things have changed THAT much since the last time I checked, he very well could be there in the bottom 1st or early 2nd.


    BTW, I really hope my Bulls take Rose. And then I would actually like to see Chicago, try to trade some combination of Deng, Gordon, and Heinrich for a scorer. I wonder if we could get Wade for that. Deng, Gordon and Heinrich is a pretty decent package.

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    Your not going to get a super star for role players. Unless that team needs role players. Miami has nothing. Getting rid of Wade for Deng, Kirk and Gordon is not going to work. Your going to have to give up That number 1 pick to get Wade. From reports that i have read is Bulls was considering giving up the pick for Wade anyway. Miami would then be able to draft Rose and Beaseley and have a solid building block, While Chicago gets a Super Star in Wade surrounded by good role players. That deal would work for both teams. But noway in hell do you get Wade for t hose role players. Who exactly would Wade have to play with on the Bulls if they got rid of Gordon Kirk and Deng?

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