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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    So what happened in 1985, 1988, 1990, 1992, and 1994?

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    Elway's and Orton's situations have absolutely nothing in common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claymore View Post
    Orton didnt complain because he knows if he is a backup on any other team in the NFL. No team wants Orton as their #1 guy long term.
    Couldnt have said it better myself!! If there is a God in heaven, not another year of KO at the helm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest View Post
    Elway's and Orton's situations have absolutely nothing in common.
    You got that right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NittanyBuff24 View Post
    Couldnt have said it better myself!! If there is a God in heaven, not another year of KO at the helm!
    But sometimes we have a cross to bare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    2 different QB's mate. Not even in the same league.
    So you consider that as an argument that Orton has had his chance and could
    not get the Broncos into the playoffs? You even augmented my point: Not even
    the great John Elway could get his team into the playoffs several different
    times.

    But there is something else you overlooked: Orton did get his team into the
    playoffs as a rookie quarterback. He did not play in the postseason, as a
    "coach's decision," but he did get them there. So you cannot say he is not
    capable of getting a team into the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    So you consider that as an argument that Orton has had his chance and could
    not get the Broncos into the playoffs? You even augmented my point: Not even
    the great John Elway could get his team into the playoffs several different
    times.

    But there is something else you overlooked: Orton did get his team into the
    playoffs as a rookie quarterback. He did not play in the postseason, as a
    "coach's decision," but he did get them there. So you cannot say he is not
    capable of getting a team into the playoffs.

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    Not really. Chicago's defense did the most of the work. In 15 starts he couldn't even get 2000 yards passing. He also had three games where he threw for under a 100 yards. And finally for the year he threw 9 touchdown passes.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=chi&year=2005

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedul...=chi&year=2005

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    Not really. Chicago's defense did the most of the work. In 15 starts he couldn't even get 2000 yards passing. He also had three games where he threw for under a 100 yards. And finally for the year he threw 9 touchdown passes.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=chi&year=2005

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedul...=chi&year=2005
    Oh, so when Orton quarterbacked the Bears to the playoffs, the defense is
    who did it. But when the Broncos defense collapsed last season, it was Orton
    who failed to take the Broncos to the playoffs.

    I knew you would come back with that. I'm glad you did.

    P.S. It was 1983. Elway's first year. 11 games. 1,663 yards passing. 3 games
    where he threw for under 100 yds. 14 TDs, 28 INTs. 54.9 QBR.

    Rookies have a rough time in the NFL, don't they?

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    Last edited by topscribe; 06-14-2010 at 11:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claymore View Post
    Orton didnt complain because he knows if he is a backup on any other team in the NFL. No team wants Orton as their #1 guy long term.
    Orton didn't complain because he will break every passing record set by Brett Favre(except interceptions) and Peyton Manning this season and win the Super Bowl setting all sorts of records and the Broncos will have to pay him more than Tom Brady and Peyton Manning combined, clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    That's what he needs. I'm glad, for instance, that the Broncos kept Elway after
    he failed to get the Broncos into the playoffs . . .

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    did that just happen?



    “When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
    - John Elway

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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    Oh, so when Orton quarterbacked the Bears to the playoffs, the defense is
    who did it. But when the Broncos defense collapsed last season, it was Orton
    who failed to take the Broncos to the playoffs.

    I knew you would come back with that. I'm glad you did.

    P.S. It was 1983. Elway's first year. 11 games. 1,663 yards passing. 3 games
    where he threw for under 100 yds. 14 TDs, 28 INTs. 54.9 QBR.

    Rookies have a rough time in the NFL, don't they?

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    Are you seriously comparing John Elway to Kyle Orton? I know you will defend Orton at all costs, but seriously? It's a disrespect to John Elway to put those 2 guys in the same sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest View Post
    Are you seriously comparing John Elway to Kyle Orton? I know you will defend Orton at all costs, but seriously? It's a disrespect to John Elway to put those 2 guys in the same sentence.
    Went right over your head, didn't it?


    Before you tell me about "respect," tell me you remember Elway's first game
    as a pro. Tell me you saw the first game the Broncos ever played. Tell me
    about Frank Tripucka, Charley Johnson, Craig Morton.

    Please, don't you come back and tell me about respect . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    Oh, so when Orton quarterbacked the Bears to the playoffs, the defense is
    who did it. But when the Broncos defense collapsed last season, it was Orton
    who failed to take the Broncos to the playoffs.

    I knew you would come back with that. I'm glad you did.

    P.S. It was 1983. Elway's first year. 11 games. 1,663 yards passing. 3 games
    where he threw for under 100 yds. 14 TDs, 28 INTs. 54.9 QBR.

    Rookies have a rough time in the NFL, don't they?

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    It's amazing what kind pretzel you'll twist yourself into just to try and pump up Orton into something that he's not.

    1. Orton had 15 starts in his rookie year. John had 10 starts. (Btw why did you doubled John's touchdowns and interceptions from '83 why? He had 7 tds and 14 ints.)

    2. If you had actually paid attention to what I wrote you would have noticed I said that defense did most of the work believe it or not s that is the same thing as saying they (the Chicago defense) didn't do all the work.

    3. With 5 more Elway conceivably could have bettered numbers right? Yet even with 5 less starts he still put up nearly same stats as Orton. He also got better as season wore on. Did Orton in his rookie get better as the season wore on? Nope he stayed about the same. Orton also had strong running game to rely on did Elway?

    4. While most rookie quarterbacks struggle if they start right away it is also true some get better as the seaon goes on others stay the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC View Post
    It's amazing what kind pretzel you'll twist yourself into just to try and pump up Orton into something that he's not.
    Why don't you try, for once, to be honest in your posts?

    That would be refreshing, but I won't hold my breath . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest View Post
    Are you seriously comparing John Elway to Kyle Orton? I know you will defend Orton at all costs, but seriously? It's a disrespect to John Elway to put those 2 guys in the same sentence.
    Yeah it's like saying a VW Bug is as fast as a Lamborghini.
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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    Why don't you try, for once, to be honest in your posts?

    That would be refreshing, but I won't hold my breath . . .

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    Why don't you do the same in your posts. I'm glad you're not going to hold your breath because chances are you'll live longer.

    Ok that's enough of this game. Go on have the last word, it wont make you into expert of all things football, but have at it bud.
    Last edited by TXBRONC; 06-15-2010 at 01:44 PM.

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