So you consider that as an argument that Orton has had his chance and could
not get the Broncos into the playoffs? You even augmented my point: Not even
the great John Elway could get his team into the playoffs several different
times.
But there is something else you overlooked: Orton did get his team into the
playoffs as a rookie quarterback. He did not play in the postseason, as a
"coach's decision," but he did get them there. So you cannot say he is not
capable of getting a team into the playoffs.
-----
Not really. Chicago's defense did the most of the work. In 15 starts he couldn't even get 2000 yards passing. He also had three games where he threw for under a 100 yards. And finally for the year he threw 9 touchdown passes.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=chi&year=2005
http://espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedul...=chi&year=2005
Oh, so when Orton quarterbacked the Bears to the playoffs, the defense is
who did it. But when the Broncos defense collapsed last season, it was Orton
who failed to take the Broncos to the playoffs.
I knew you would come back with that. I'm glad you did.
P.S. It was 1983. Elway's first year. 11 games. 1,663 yards passing. 3 games
where he threw for under 100 yds. 14 TDs, 28 INTs. 54.9 QBR.
Rookies have a rough time in the NFL, don't they?
-----
Last edited by topscribe; 06-14-2010 at 11:10 PM.
Orton didn't complain because he will break every passing record set by Brett Favre(except interceptions) and Peyton Manning this season and win the Super Bowl setting all sorts of records and the Broncos will have to pay him more than Tom Brady and Peyton Manning combined, clearly.
- John Elway“When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
Went right over your head, didn't it?
Before you tell me about "respect," tell me you remember Elway's first game
as a pro. Tell me you saw the first game the Broncos ever played. Tell me
about Frank Tripucka, Charley Johnson, Craig Morton.
Please, don't you come back and tell me about respect . . .
-----
It's amazing what kind pretzel you'll twist yourself into just to try and pump up Orton into something that he's not.
1. Orton had 15 starts in his rookie year. John had 10 starts. (Btw why did you doubled John's touchdowns and interceptions from '83 why? He had 7 tds and 14 ints.)
2. If you had actually paid attention to what I wrote you would have noticed I said that defense did most of the work believe it or not s that is the same thing as saying they (the Chicago defense) didn't do all the work.
3. With 5 more Elway conceivably could have bettered numbers right? Yet even with 5 less starts he still put up nearly same stats as Orton. He also got better as season wore on. Did Orton in his rookie get better as the season wore on? Nope he stayed about the same. Orton also had strong running game to rely on did Elway?
4. While most rookie quarterbacks struggle if they start right away it is also true some get better as the seaon goes on others stay the same.
Last edited by TXBRONC; 06-15-2010 at 01:44 PM.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)