Thread: Overrated/Underrated list.

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Denver Broncos

Overrated: S John Lynch. You can put him in this spot every year, even if his reputation has declined some. There are those who still worship his game.

Underrated: LB D.J. Williams. He has bounced around the linebacker spots, but has stayed steady. He had 141 tackles last season to lead the Denver defense. He's now moving from the middle to the weak side, which is where he belongs.

He basically gives the most overrated on a team and the most underrated. Although Reggie Bush made most overrated overall.

Does he mean on a national level?

Because I don't think anyone here in Denver under-rates DJ. I get guff just for suggesting he doesn't have good instincts and can only play the Will at a high level.

If I'm the bottom of the DJ Appreciation Pool, then he ain't under-rated around this town.

Nationally...well, being back at the Will DJ should be able to get some recognition this year. Especially if we use our LBs to do more than trail plays elegantly and look properly defeated in other teams' highlight videos.

Lynch is probably still over-rated nationally, yes. Anybody who watches him play, though, has seen him winding down for years. Except Sundquist, apparently, who thought we were totally set at safety last year.

~G

i think lynch's rating is right where it should be. i think it's pretty common knowledge in the football world that he's not what he used to be, and that he's lost a step, but his knowledge of the game still allows him to play at a high level most of the time. most also acknowledge that as good as he still is despite his physical shortcomings, a LOT of his value is as a mentor, teacher, and role model at this point. nothing wrong with making pro bowls for things beyond physical talent...

i think DJ is underrated. he's still an unknown to most of the football world, where if he had been allowed to stay at will from the start (damn you to hell ian gold), then he would be a household name by now, and a pro bowler. i also don't think there's many linebackers out there who could play all 3 positions in 4 years as well (even if many people think his play was subpar...) as he did. he was a great will, an ok sam, and good sam, and a good mlb in 4 years, he will be household shortly back at will.

In Lynch's case, theres a difference between being well known and overrated. Seriously, the guy is a well known player who is getting older. Who is trying to pretend he is still 28? Who is it thats overrating Lynch? Really, I think people are just responding to the fact that he's well known and equating fame with hype.

see g-money's post above

Originally Posted by lex

In Lynch's case, theres a difference between being well known and overrated. Seriously, the guy is a well known player who is getting older. Who is trying to pretend he is still 28? Who is it thats overrating Lynch? Really, I think people are just responding to the fact that he's well known and equating fame with hype.

I agree, but there arent many other players on the team that could be called "over-hyped". The Broncos get absolutely NO national attention, so only guys who were big names on previous teams will be considered "over-hyped".

Travis Henry and Dre Bly come to mind.

with travis' struggles last year, there is no hype around him anymore.

it seems like most denver fans hate bly because he's not champ bailey, several people like him, and the rest think he sucks purely because he was a lion...

eric pears is over-rated-- some people actually think he's a competent NFL tackle. . . .

Originally Posted by shawshank24

with travis' struggles last year, there is no hype around him anymore.

it seems like most denver fans hate bly because he's not champ bailey, several people like him, and the rest think he sucks purely because he was a lion...

Bly doesn't have to prove anything to me any more.

Not after he finished a game with an obviously separated shoulder because Champ was already out injured and we NEEDED Bly to stay in.

He was breaking up passes with one arm and gutting it out on tackles.

I may not think the world of Bly, but he shut up my complaints about adding him to the team that day.

We need more guys like that, not less.

~G

glad to hear that from you G. i just don't know what most people expected from bly, champ is in a league of his own and everyone compared bly to him, and declared taht bly sucked...

it's like they don't remember just a few years ago what it's like to have bad corners getting beat with consistency, they got used to bailey, and think good corners are unbeatable.

imo, bly is very good, and 90% of his (and bailey's) struggles last year were because of the lack of pressure on qbs and the suckitude of the run defense.

Originally Posted by shawshank24

glad to hear that from you G. i just don't know what most people expected from bly, champ is in a league of his own and everyone compared bly to him, and declared taht bly sucked...

it's like they don't remember just a few years ago what it's like to have bad corners getting beat with consistency, they got used to bailey, and think good corners are unbeatable.

imo, bly is very good, and 90% of his (and bailey's) struggles last year were because of the lack of pressure on qbs and the suckitude of the run defense.

Over-rated doesnt mean sucks. He was touted as one of the best corners in the league and when we brought him in we were said to have the best corner tandem in football. I would say that is over-rated. I dont think Bly is one of the best corners in the league.

Originally Posted by shawshank24

with travis' struggles last year, there is no hype around him anymore.

So wait, Lynch gets labelled over-hyped because he can still produce at a pretty decent level, but Travis isnt because he stunk it up last year?

I would say Travis Henry is the epitome of over-hyped / over-rated. He was brought in under a lucrative contract and didn't produce for jack.

Yep. No corner can look great with zero pressure on the QB.

Having two ball-hawking corners means we should want to add as much pressure to the QB as possible. The guys outside can pick em with the best of em.

Hopefully we figure that out this year and can collapse a pocket or twelve. Bly and Bailey will both be the better for it.

Then all we need to do is make Champ show Bly how you're supposed to tackle from the corner position (hint: try to go low instead of for a piggy-back ride) and he'll be more than fine.

~G

Originally Posted by G_Money

Yep. No corner can look great with zero pressure on the QB.

Having two ball-hawking corners means we should want to add as much pressure to the QB as possible. The guys outside can pick em with the best of em.

Hopefully we figure that out this year and can collapse a pocket or twelve. Bly and Bailey will both be the better for it.

Then all we need to do is make Champ show Bly how you're supposed to tackle from the corner position (hint: try to go low instead of for a piggy-back ride) and he'll be more than fine.

~G

Thats the problem I have with Bly. I don't think he sucks by any means, but he cant tackle and it is a big problem. I would take him as a cover corner anyday even though he gets burned from time to time. The fact that he is probably one of the worst tackling corners in the league is the reason I think he is over-rated. Nothing more. I am still happy with our secondary.

Originally Posted by LRtagger

Over-rated doesnt mean sucks. He was touted as one of the best corners in the league and when we brought him in we were said to have the best corner tandem in football. I would say that is over-rated. I dont think Bly is one of the best corners in the league.

He's playing the #2 corner spot. Are there 60 better corners than him?

If not, then he deserves to be a starter.

Are there 30 better corners than him? If not, then he could play as a #1 corner on at least one team in this league, which makes him a great #2.

*shrugs*

I guess I dunno what "one of the best" is supposed to mean. Is he a top 5 corner? No.

Top 20?

That's a slightly tougher question.

~G