Thread: McDaniels says Tim Tebow may play sooner than

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

He said at one point "Orton is the starter period." That statement doesn't sound like there is any wiggle room for having competition. Now he's saying "Tim could start sooner rather than later." I'm not kicking dirt in McDaniels face because all head coaches do that. They will also saying things to media to protect their players.

At the time that Coach McD said that Orton is the starter" - he is the starter, UNTIL/UNLESS someone takes that away from him. I just reread the article again. No where is there any mention that Tebow will be the starter - the article states that Tebow may PLAY sooner than expected. Where does that indicate that Coach McD, AT THIS TIME, has said that Tebow will be the starter? Many of the tv sports people here have said that Tebow could see playing time this year on 3rd down, etc.

i found this...which is close but not an absolute by any stretch.....
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Kyle Orton remains the Denver Broncos' starting quarterback, and Brady Quinn will have to unseat him if he wants to be under center when the season starts in six months.

"He is our starter. There is no question," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said of his incumbent quarterback Tuesday at the AFC coaches' breakfast in Orlando, Fla., reiterating what he has stated both privately and publicly since acquiring Quinn from the Cleveland Browns on March 13.

McDaniels said Orton deserves to keep his job based on his performance last season, when he threw for 3,802 yards and 21 touchdowns with 12 interceptions.


Vic Carucci writes.
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» Fresh start could be what Quinn needs McDaniels also is making it clear that Orton will have to keep his starting job through performance and continued improvement in his second year in Denver's offense or Quinn, who went 3-9 as Cleveland's starter, could end up supplanting him.

do we want a coach who would be so stubborn that he would rather start the wrong guy than change his mind anyway ?
custer was told to retreat before little big horn but his pride would'nt let him....how did that work out for him ?

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

At the time that Coach McD said that Orton is the starter" - he is the starter, UNTIL/UNLESS someone takes that away from him. I just reread the article again. No where is there any mention that Tebow will be the starter - the article states that Tebow may PLAY sooner than expected. Where does that indicate that Coach McD, AT THIS TIME, has said that Tebow will be the starter? Many of the tv sports people here have said that Tebow could see playing time this year on 3rd down, etc.

Somewhere between the end of the year and now the coach said "Orton is the starter period." That's an emphatic statement Carol. Now he's saying Tebow might start sooner rather than later.

How is sports people saying Tebow could see time on third down etc and the coach himself saying "Tim may start sooner rather later is different than he could play on third downs and etc.

Now Carol show me where I said Tim will be starter AT THIS TIME? I said no such thing. My point that you missed is that coach has said two different things. The coach is now leaving door to Tim starting very soon he didn't do that earlier.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Once again, totally ignoring the other accounts. I mentioned not only McDaniels,
but Orton and analyses that were written about it. I also alluded to an MHR
article that touched upon the issue as to whether Orton can and will throw
downfield. Did either of you bother to click on it?

Anyway, I guess you both have zeroed in on what McDaniels said, as if you
believe you can prove something by that . ..

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I don't need to click the link. I know from watching him play that he has a shitty deep ball. Yeah, he gets it there every once in a while but he is FAR from a QB who scares people with the deep ball. Do you really think defensive coordinators go into games against us thinking "Oh shit, we better gameplan for that lethal deep ball from Orton"? I highly doubt it. Every QB hits on deep passes occasionally, and Orton did hit a few this year, but he's still an average QB at best in that regard.

Originally Posted by T.K.O. (team kyle orton)

do we want a coach who would be so stubborn that he would rather start the wrong guy than change his mind anyway ?
custer was told to retreat before little big horn but his pride would'nt let him....how did that work out for him ?

Where did you learn your history? Custer wasn't told to retreat he was told to wait.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/custer.htm

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

I don't need to click the link. I know from watching him play that he has a shitty deep ball. Yeah, he gets it there every once in a while but he is FAR from a QB who scares people with the deep ball. Do you really think defensive coordinators go into games against us thinking "Oh shit, we better gameplan for that lethal deep ball from Orton"? I highly doubt it. Every QB hits on deep passes occasionally, and Orton did hit a few this year, but he's still an average QB at best in that regard.

You are lending far too much to what I said, as usual. If you want to go into
hyperbole, be my guest. I only reported what McDaniels and Orton stated, and
what I read in a couple analyses.

I do get a kick out of the use of the term "average." As if that is derogatory.
If Orton played "average" through two serious injuries, in a new system, with
a new coach and teammates, and an entirely different playbook, then I am
quite impressed with that.

However, that is not the point of the discussion. TX said they were stacking
the box. Well, sure, teams do stack the box at times . . . against anyone. But,
according to what McDaniels and Orton and certain analysts said, teams were
also playing safeties deep against the pass because of an increasingly effete
running game. That was my point . . . my only point . . .

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Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Where did you learn your history? Custer wasn't told to retreat he was told to wait.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/custer.htm

makes my example even more relevent then....would'nt you say ?

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

At the time that Coach McD said that Orton is the starter" - he is the starter, UNTIL/UNLESS someone takes that away from him. I just reread the article again. No where is there any mention that Tebow will be the starter - the article states that Tebow may PLAY sooner than expected. Where does that indicate that Coach McD, AT THIS TIME, has said that Tebow will be the starter? Many of the tv sports people here have said that Tebow could see playing time this year on 3rd down, etc.

Something I just noticed you took one sentence out of context. Let's look at the entire comment.

"To me, (Tebow's acumen) gives him an advantage, an opportunity to play earlier than other people have played. Everybody keeps talking about it will be two, three years before he can play, and I think they don't know this guy. His mental capacity, and the way that he works, and the fact that he's on such a fast pace, will give him the chance to compete apples-to-apples.

Bolded is the part you skipped past.

Originally Posted by T.K.O. (team kyle orton)

makes my example even more relevent then....would'nt you say ?

No it means you're weren't accurate.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Now, that is silly . . .

If the coach is not a good enough coach to see whether or not safeties are
playing back, then he should not be coaching at any level, let alone in the NFL.
. .

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winner winner chicken dinner!!!!

top your own savior orton at the end of the season suggested that he wanted to open it up downfield but mcd had other plans

every analyst in the game suggested the broncos need to open up the field deeper and utilized the center of the field more to keep the defense honest

the point is nearly to a tee on any sunday the talk and key to winning from the analysts was the same..the broncos need to open up the feild to prevent the defense from stacking the box...and other then the washington game..we didnt

whether it was ortons unwillingness to take a shot other then when he's desperat..or mcd reluctance to let orton open it up...it didnt happen enough

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Something I just noticed you took one sentence out of context. Let's look at the entire comment.



Bolded is the part you skipped past.

How does that contradict what Carol said?

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Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Where did you learn your history? Custer wasn't told to retreat he was told to wait.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/custer.htm

custer wore Arrow shirts

Originally Posted by arapaho2

winner winner chicken dinner!!!!

top your own savior orton at the end of the season suggested that he wanted to open it up downfield but mcd had other plans

every analyst in the game suggested the broncos need to open up the field deeper and utilized the center of the field more to keep the defense honest

the point is nearly to a tee on any sunday the talk and key to winning from the analysts was the same..the broncos need to open up the feild to prevent the defense from stacking the box...and other then the washington game..we didnt

whether it was ortons unwillingness to take a shot other then when he's desperat..or mcd reluctance to let orton open it up...it didnt happen enough

My Savior is Jesus Christ. And Jesus Christ only. Did we get that straight now?

I am only trying to establish some facts here. Some of your comment was
very good here . . . good enough that you could have done without the
allusion to me.

Anyway, I agree with those analysts who said the Broncos need t open up the
deep game more . . . something that both McDaniels and Orton said would
happen . . .
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Originally Posted by topscribe

You are lending far too much to what I said, as usual. If you want to go into
hyperbole, be my guest. I only reported what McDaniels and Orton stated, and
what I read in a couple analyses.

I do get a kick out of the use of the term "average." As if that is derogatory.
If Orton played "average" through two serious injuries, in a new system, with
a new coach and teammates, and an entirely different playbook, then I am
quite impressed with that.

However, that is not the point of the discussion. TX said they were stacking
the box. Well, sure, teams do stack the box at times . . . against anyone. But,
according to what McDaniels and Orton and certain analysts said, teams were
also playing safeties deep against the pass because of an increasingly effete
running game. That was my point . . . my only point . . .

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So you agree that they were playing the safetys deep because of our ineffective running game, not because they were afraid of Orton's deep ball. Glad we have that cleared up!

And just to clarify, I said "average at best", which means on his best days I think he is average. Not that there's anything wrong with average, it's just that average play at that position doesn't win you championships, unless you have an all-time great defense.