Thread: Ryan Torain RB ASU 5th Rd Pick

what if shanahan was telling his god-honest truth when he said he thought that torain had first round ability?

Bottom line we are drating KnowShon Moreno next year so none of these guys will matter anyway. Just aslong as there good enough to get the job done this year.

Originally Posted by CasinoRoyal

Bottom line we are drating KnowShon Moreno next year so none of these guys will matter anyway. Just aslong as there good enough to get the job done this year.

Davis or Wells will be better suited for the NFL.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Oh? And what CB problems do the Broncos have now? The trade brought who
most consider the best CB in the league, plus another Pro Bowl CB. I have to
disagree that it didn't solve that problem.

And the Broncos did not win the SB because of one RB. They also had the
best QB in the league and close to the best O-line. They had Rod Smith and
McCaffrey. They had a solid defense. They might not have won the Super
Bowl without TD, but they definitely would not have won it without Elway or
that defense.

It is not the lack of an "elite" RB that has prevented the Broncos from going
back to the Super Bowl. It is holes in the O-line, holes in the D-line, holes
at WR, holes at LB. That's enough to do it.

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We won SBs with a great running game, no? We won SBs with two very good corners and a great running game, no? How many draft picks since the trade were devoted to finding a second corner? Not only that but we've learned that unless you have a pass rush, even the best CB becomes less and less relevant.

And its nice that there is no such thing as skill where RBs are concerned but you'd be wrong if you felt that way. Besides that, no one is arguing against having a good oline.

Ryan Torain is the only RB on our roster that I feel has enough of "it" to get our running game to the next level. No, he's not fast around the edges or in the open field, but he's powerful enough and hits the holes hard enough to get to the open field and get us some good gains, a la Travis Henry circa week six.

Originally Posted by slim

So, even if he does well he is still a bust? Are you sure you're not Lex?

I never said he was a bust, are you sure you can read?

Originally Posted by slim

Or maybe NFL scouts and draftniks actually know what they are talking about and he is a talented RB.

Sure......but, maybe they don't and he's just a RBBC scrub......

Originally Posted by Link

Sure......but, maybe they don't and he's just a RBBC scrub......

or maybe they do, because they do.

Originally Posted by shawshank24

what if shanahan was telling his god-honest truth when he said he thought that torain had first round ability?

I have zero doubt in my mind that he actually believes it, but that certainly doesn't mean he is a 1st round talent, just like too many 1st round picks he's made over the years......Nash, Foster immediately come to mind.

But, I mostly think Shanahan is just so completely full of shit his eyes are brown......

Originally Posted by Link

I have zero doubt in my mind that he actually believes it, but that certainly doesn't mean he is a 1st round talent, just like too many 1st round picks he's made over the years......Nash, Foster immediately come to mind.

But, I mostly think Shanahan is just so completely full of shit his eyes are brown......

wow and I thought I was the only one..

GM mikey

Coach mikey

I have not liked a single back on our team since portis besides henry, and reuben droughns. I was actually calling for us to play reuben instead of Q before the season started. But i wasnt here on the boards so you can only take my word for it. Point i am getting at here is I dont know if I like torain yet, but he is the one i am most excited for.

I cant tell enough from his college runs. I need to see some in preseason, but if he does what that little feeling downstairs says he will do then i will certainly say that by the time the year is over people including lex will say ok, i could see where they could think he would have been a 1st rdr. or close to it.

Like SR said- i dont know if he is quite as complete as a usual 1st rdr, but he is the best we got for our scheme. Our scheme requires the back to have enough power to get through the first level. If they can its all downhill from there. Lately i have seen that as our problem, our backs havent been able to get through that first level. MOst of that i put on the back, but obviously some goes to the line and defense. Torain should have the power to break through, then he should have the vision to get more yards, since i dont think he has the speed.

Young has the vision and speed and moves, but not power- atleast yet. Hall has the vision, speeeed, little moves, and little power, but not enough.

Torain has the most of all the backs. and like i said in our system i rate what we need as: power,vision,speed,moves.

So all i got to say is when torain hits hard in preseason is BOOMSHAKALAKA!

Okay, I've heard all the naysayers. Torain is highly doubted among this group,
it seems. Shanny is full of it when he sees first-round talent. There must be
some reason he was picked in the 5th round, right?

Torain wouldn't be the first one to make fools out of critics. Here are a couple
scouting reports in 1995, regarding one Terrell Davis:

"Hell be an OK back, but don't expect much from him."

"Tweener. No wiggle. Questionable toughness and durability in the past. Backup
guy. Average blocker, average runner. Don't want him."

(Retrieved from http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._18893107/pg_5 )

You know, funny thing, but TD's draft stock fell when he could not play the
entire season in his senior year. (Sound familiar?) He had a bad hammy that
year.

I'm filing all this away, hoping I can end up raking my friends Link and JR
over the coals.



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Originally Posted by topscribe

Okay, I've heard all the naysayers. Torain is highly doubted among this group,
it seems. Shanny is full of it when he sees first-round talent. There must be
some reason he was picked in the 5th round, right?

Torain wouldn't be the first one to make fools out of critics. Here are a couple
scouting reports in 1995, regarding one Terrell Davis:

"Hell be an OK back, but don't expect much from him."

"Tweener. No wiggle. Questionable toughness and durability in the past. Backup
guy. Average blocker, average runner. Don't want him."

(Retrieved from http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._18893107/pg_5 )

You know, funny thing, but TD's draft stock fell when he could not play the
entire season. (Sound familiar?) He had a bad hammy that year.

I'm filing all this away, hoping I can end up raking my friends Link and JR
over the coals.



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LOL, nice one.

I have an open mind about Torain. I haven't seen enough of what he can do in order to form either a possitive or negative opinion. I do trust Shanny's abilities in recognizing offensive talent. He picked Jay, when the Cards and Titans picked Matt and Vince. He picked Scheffler who I think is much better than Davis, Lewis, Klopfenstein, and Fasano, all tight ends drafted before him. He picked Marshall in the 4th, who we obviously see now as a definite 1st round talent. Hey, who knows, why not Torain?

Originally Posted by topscribe

Okay, I've heard all the naysayers. Torain is highly doubted among this group,
it seems. Shanny is full of it when he sees first-round talent. There must be
some reason he was picked in the 5th round, right?

Torain wouldn't be the first one to make fools out of critics. Here are a couple
scouting reports in 1995, regarding one Terrell Davis:

"Hell be an OK back, but don't expect much from him."

"Tweener. No wiggle. Questionable toughness and durability in the past. Backup
guy. Average blocker, average runner. Don't want him."

(Retrieved from http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._18893107/pg_5 )

You know, funny thing, but TD's draft stock fell when he could not play the
entire season in his senior year. (Sound familiar?) He had a bad hammy that
year.

I'm filing all this away, hoping I can end up raking my friends Link and JR
over the coals.



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I do not think you will ever find a post from me saying something the effect X sucks and I hope he does poorly..

More likely it was I don't think he is all that mikey thinks he is I hope I'm wrong..

So far I've believed the hype (for awhile at least) on foster, pierce, Paymah, tater, eason, ashley (took this one big time), middlebroken, delta, kennedy, greasy and last but not least nash (was Peyton's go to guy..)..


Since the foster draft, ashleys praise and how those two turned to crap..

I've taken the obama stance change and hope.. Pardon the pun.........

Time will tell..

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

I do not think you will ever find a post from me saying something the effect X sucks and I hope he does poorly..

More likely it was I don't think he is all that mikey thinks he is I hope I'm wrong..

So far I've believed the hype (for awhile at least) on foster, pierce, Paymah, tater, eason, ashley (took this one big time), middlebroken, delta, kennedy, greasy and last but not least nash (was Peyton's go to guy..)..


Since the foster draft, ashleys praise and how those two turned to crap..

I've taken the obama stance change and hope.. Pardon the pun.........

Time will tell..

Paymah? Last I heard, he was still with the Broncos and has been playing
nickel. I don't know what should be expected of a third-round draft choice.

Also, I don't know what was wrong with Griese's selection when it was
made (also third-round). He didn't bust as a rookie. He was actually selected
for the Pro Bowl and had the highest QB rating in the league, while leading
his team to an 11-5 record, before he went to hell. In fact, I personally
heard Madden refer to him as the best of the young QBs during that time.
I do not believe Griese can be counted among Shanny's busts, but rather
a good selection at the time it was made.

Moreover, I don't know how one can fairly list Shanny's busts without
also mentioning TD, MA, Portis, Droughns, Rod Smith, McCaffrey, Lepsis,
D.J., Cutler, Marshall, Kuper, D-Will, Holland, Bly, Lynch, Young, Crowder,
Dumervil, Ekuban, Thomas, Scheffler, etc., etc.

Yes, some of them are FAs, not drafted. Who cares? If they're good, then
it was a good GM's move.

Shanny has made some bad moves, but he's made some good ones, too. I
have a wait-and-see attitude, too. I just don't believe he is that lousy of a
GM. Of course, the one he fired might have been . . .

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