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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylore View Post
    I'm not arguing McDaniels isn't to blame for the problems in his year. However it takes more than one year to fix a team with as many problems as we had. Our focus was obviously defense last year, and this year he is going to focus on getting bigger on our offensive line in the draft.

    I was referring to the previous post where TXBRONC doesn't blame Shanahan for several years of mediocrity, and then McDaniels inherits a soft, undersized team with a front line (offense and defense) that is horribly small and not suited for his scheme, and then proceeds to pin all of that on McDaniels. I mean he's even saying the previous years under Shanahan are somehow magically, retroactively McDaniels fault, like he had some kind of time machine and went back to 2004 and messed things up for us.

    It just goes to show you McDaniels haters are completely out of your minds. If I came from the year 2000 and didn't know any of the current circumstances and asked one you about Coach McDaniels, based on your "analysis" I would believe that the Broncos went 14-2 in 2008, then fired their coach and proceeded to go 1-15 in 2010 and Cutler was league MVP last year.

    Fact is that McDaniels inherrited a crappy team. We had one of the easiest schedules in the league in '08, (We played four teams total who were playoff teams and one of them was the 8-8 Chargers) and were it not for Shanahan's coaching, would have won four games total.

    McDaniels inherits a garbage defense and turnover-prone offense and faces a murderer's row schedule, where most of you hater's were saying at the beginning of last year we were going to win four games maximum. He makes as many moves as he can finishes out *SURPRISE* 8-8 in a year when we played only four teams that weren't playoff teams. Cutler goes to Chi-town and plays like crap. And our defense is in the top ten and our giveaways drop way down and our takeaways go way out. Guys like Marshall and Dumervil have record setting seasons (club and national) and we send some more guys back to the pro-bowl.

    Now tell me honestly. With the third hardest schedule and all new coaches with a new scheme, tell me HONESTLY how McDaniels "ruined" everything by taking an 8-8 team into a much harder schedule and going 8-8. At the very MOST you could argue it's a lateral move, but there is no way you can say the team is "worse off" now. None. You would be a complete rage-driven idiot to even think as much.
    Well said. I almost forgot how damn near everyone had us going 3-13 last season.(media wise) If we can improve our interior O-line as much as we improved on defense last season, we'll be in pretty good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho2 View Post
    yeah mike averaged 11th in offensive scoreing the nine years after elway...because he kicked FGs
    actually here are the real numbers from NFL.com
    here is the ranking for total tds, rushing TDs FG and in some years from various yardage


    Code:
    year        TD's      Running TD's  FG   FG 20-29   40-49
    1992        10           3                3
    1993          2           7              13
    1994         10          3                3
    1995          9          13               3  
    1996          3           2              22
    1997          1           5                5
    1998          2           1              13
    1999         21         10                6
    2000          2            3              10
    2001         13          30               1
    2002          6            5               8
    2003         10            3              6
    2004         10          15               2
    2005          5            3              15
    2006         18          18               7
    2007         20          20              10       23       25
    2008         13          14              20         8       26
    2009         21           22             2          22      30

    yep he was average 11.8th in the league of 32.

    but he was also 8.5 in FG kicked.

    so maybe he relied on FG more than he did on TDs and on rushing TD's he was 12.1


    just a side note

    TD had the following yards
    Code:
    Season	Team		Rushing	Receiving	Fumbles
    G	GS	Att	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	Lng	TD	FUM	Lost
    2001	Denver Broncos	 8	 8	167	701	4.2	57	0	12	69	5.8	16	0	2	0
    2000	Denver Broncos	 5	 4	78	282	3.6	24	2	2	4	2.0	5	0	1	0
    1999	Denver Broncos	 4	 4	67	211	3.1	26	2	3	26	8.7	10	0	1	1
    1998	Denver Broncos	 16	 16	392	2,008	5.1	70	21	25	217	8.7	35	2	2	2
    1997	Denver Broncos	 15	 15	369	1,750	4.7	50T	15	42	287	6.8	25	0	4	0
    1996	Denver Broncos	 16	 16	345	1,538	4.5	71T	13	36	310	8.6	23	2	5	3
    1995	Denver Broncos	 14	 14	237	1,117	4.7	60T	7	49	367	7.5	31	1	5	2
    TOTAL	1,655	7,607	4.6	71	60	169	1,280	7.6	35	5	20	8
    
    Jason Elam
    	 	0-19	20-29  	30-39	
     Career 	4-4	150-156	132-147
    Jason missed only 21 FG inside 40 yards for his career. and he did indeed allow mike to not worry so much about red zone. scoring as he was deadly.



    Your correct but you only told part of the story

    BTW he was here 10years after John retired...


    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...E/ElwaJo00.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrwiz View Post
    actually here are the real numbers from NFL.com








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    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...E/ElwaJo00.htm

    no your trying to say shanny scored more because he kicked more fgs

    look at the last three seasons
    2009....35 attempts...30 made...90 points off fgs

    shanny last two seasons

    2008....34 attempts...25 made.. 75 points off fgs

    2007 elams last yr...31 attemts..27 made..81 points off fgs


    so far it seems we kicked more fgs under mcd than we did under shanny the last two seasons..even with elam

    we could even go back further

    2006 with elam...35 attempts...27 made
    2005 ................32 attempts...29 made

    so it seems we score more points off fgs in mcd first year than we did that last five years undere shanny

    so based off your :Why mike never got this concept is way beyond my pay grade. Guess he was content to kick FG and make Jason into a HOF player.

    mcd must be trying even harder to make prater a hof kicker huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho2 View Post
    no your trying to say shanny scored more because he kicked more fgs

    look at the last three seasons
    2009....35 attempts...30 made...90 points off fgs

    shanny last two seasons

    2008....34 attempts...25 made.. 75 points off fgs

    2007 elams last yr...31 attemts..27 made..81 points off fgs


    so far it seems we kicked more fgs under mcd than we did under shanny the last two seasons..even with elam

    we could even go back further

    2006 with elam...35 attempts...27 made
    2005 ................32 attempts...29 made

    so it seems we score more points off fgs in mcd first year than we did that last five years undere shanny

    so based off your :Why mike never got this concept is way beyond my pay grade. Guess he was content to kick FG and make Jason into a HOF player.

    mcd must be trying even harder to make prater a hof kicker huh?
    Remember that Josh had mike feather weight OLINE last year. Probably why the numbers were schewed this past year.


    If you go back and look at were the FO were kicked from I suspect you will see that most of mikes stuff was because for 10 years or so he could not get it up in the red zone.

    With the PBS that should change if it does not then I guess you are correct.

    time will tell.

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