Thread: Marshall deal would cost Seattle No. 6 pick

Marshall deal would cost Seattle No. 6 pick
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
POSTED: 03/07/2010 01:00:00 AM MST
UPDATED: 03/07/2010 01:43:24 AM MST
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A few weeks ago, Brandon Marshall visited the Thailand island of Koh Samui.

There he went elephant riding one day and zip-lined along a cable between treetops on another.

Does this sound like a man afraid of adventure?

In comparison to the vacation he described on his website, Marshall's ongoing visit to Seattle this weekend was nothing more than a stroll through a football locker room.

With Seattle television cameras and reporters in tow, Marshall visited the Seahawks' football headquarters Saturday in what could be characterized as a meet-and-greet session.

Marshall was to meet new Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll and exchange man hugs with former Broncos offensive coaches Jeremy Bates and Jedd Fisch.

While Marshall was visiting Seattle, the Broncos were hosting Baltimore Ravens defensive end Dwan Edwards, an unrestricted free agent. The Broncos would like to couple Edwards with another Ravens D-lineman, Justin Bannan, who was signed Friday to a five- year contract, to their defensive front three.

Meanwhile, the Broncos put a visit with San Francisco offensive tackle Tony Pashos on hold and were still hoping to reach an agreement with Cleveland center Rex Hadnot.

Marshall's visit to Seattle was to continue today, but expectations were the receiver with 307 catches, 3,710 yards and 23 touchdowns the past three seasons would leave the Emerald City still the restricted free-agent property of the Broncos.

Marshall was not accompanied to Seattle by his agent, Kennard McGuire, an indication an offer sheet from the Seahawks is not imminent.

Should the Seahawks decide to submit a contract proposal to Marshall — and there's still plenty of "if" about that — they would do so knowing they would have to surrender their original first-round draft pick to the Broncos.

The Seahawks' original pick is No. 6 overall in the upcoming draft. They also have the No. 14 overall pick, which they received in a trade from the Broncos last year in a deal that involved Alphonso Smith.

As the Seahawks meet with Marshall, rules prohibit the Broncos from getting involved in the matter. There is to be no compensation discussion during the offer-sheet process.

If the Seahawks decide they can't reach an agreement with Marshall on a new contract — he figures to command a deal of at least $10 million a year — or the team decides surrendering the No. 6 pick is too costly, there isn't much chance of Seattle acquiring the receiver for alternative compensation via trade.

If needed, the Broncos are expected to allow Marshall, who has let it be known he'd like to leave Denver, to seek offer-sheet suitors until April 15, the last day restricted free agents can sign with another team.

Should the Seahawks submit an offer sheet to Marshall and he signs it, the Broncos would have seven days to match — or let him go for the sixth overall pick.

Considering the deal Arizona just made with Baltimore for Anquan Boldin, a No. 6 pick would be rich compensation for the Broncos. Boldin is the receiver who most closely resembles Marshall, in that both are physical, 100-catch, post-up type receivers.

Boldin has more wear; Marshall has more baggage.

Yet, all Arizona could get back from Baltimore for Boldin were third- and fourth-round picks. And the Cards even had to throw in a fifth-round pick to make it happen.

So a first-round pick, much less No. 6 overall, would be plenty for Marshall.

In that scenario, the Broncos would again have two first-round picks. Last year, they used the No. 12 and No. 18 overall picks to select Knowshon Moreno and Robert Ayers.

This year, Marshall to Seattle would give the Broncos the No. 6 and No. 11 overall picks.

This scenario, though, is putting the goal line ahead of the red zone. Before the Broncos can get Seattle's pick, Seattle must first submit an offer sheet.



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Say Seattle do offer him a contract rather than trying to force a trade to get out of losing the #6 pick. I know we have a week to match it or not. What happens if another team comes in with an offer though? Do Denver have any say who he goes to or is it soley Marshall's choice? Plus say Seattle offer him a contract tomorrow and whoever else, say the Colts wants to offer him a contract on Thursday. Can they do that? And if they do what happens to Seattle's offer? Do we still only have until Monday to meet Seattle's offer?

Marshall can only sign 1 offer sheet. At that point he either gets picked up by that team or matched by the Broncos. I highly doubt Seattle signs him to an offer sheet for the 6th pick in the draft though.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Marshall can only sign 1 offer sheet. At that point he either gets picked up by that team or matched by the Broncos. I highly doubt Seattle signs him to an offer sheet for the 6th pick in the draft though.

The arguments I read have good reasoning behind them! Some pundits and fans believe Marshall is a proven WO (elite at that) in the NFL and you can't guarantee #6 or#14 or any rookie will be that but he is also a mug shot away from a half season suspension (what good is that to any team) but they still want him! And then others believe that Seahawks have a bigger issue up front with the oline and at RB and want to keep those picks for Okung and Spiller with no character issues and that Housh and other WOs later in the draft can fulfill the void of Burelson (sp). I don't believe it's about the money because Allen has more than enough!!

I hope it happens, to be honest. I don't want Denver to lose Marshall, but there's a good chance Sam Bradford could slip to six.

If Marshall wasn't a head case it would be a no brainer for Seattle. Then again, if he wasn't a head case it would be a no brainer for Denver to just keep him.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Marshall can only sign 1 offer sheet. At that point he either gets picked up by that team or matched by the Broncos. I highly doubt Seattle signs him to an offer sheet for the 6th pick in the draft though.

So we get a week from the moment Marshall accepts an offer sheet? So basically if Marshall accepts Seattle it's a case of either Denver or Seattle no one else can get involved?

Marshall is obviously WORTH the 6 pick... but why spend the 6 if you don't have to? Seattle won't get a player at 6 that is better than marshall, but ify ou don't have to give up the 6 to get him, why do it? Thats like spending 100 dollars for a hamburger, when you can get the same hamburger for 5. Just because you are hungry, doesn't mean you choose to overpay.

Demand factors into value. If you were starving, and that is the only hamburger in a 100 mile radius, and there are 1000 people bidding on that hamburger.. its worth the hundred dollars. Marshall has high value, but not high demand right now. No one is simply going to give up the 6th pick when they don't need to.

Originally Posted by ManchesterBroncoLUHG

So we get a week from the moment Marshall accepts an offer sheet? So basically if Marshall accepts Seattle it's a case of either Denver or Seattle no one else can get involved?

Sort of. Right now anyone interested in Marshall can inquire, bring him in, and negotiate... Seattle most likely will not sign him to an offer sheet. They will probably negotiate a contract with him. Basicaly saying- ok brandon, we would like to in principle give you a contract worth x amount of dollars for x amount of years. How would you feel about that? Really, ok good, then that is the general contract you can look forward too from us. However, we do not want you to sign that now. We want you to sign your Tender from the broncos. So we can workout a trade for you. The number 6 pick is too valuable to us. So - go sign the tender- then we will work out a trade and you will get the contract we just agreed to in principle.

Mike Lombardi seems to think the Broncos won't be open to any trade negotiations:

I fully expect another team to jump into the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes at some point this week. Not certain which team, but it appears Marshall has more than one team interested in his services. I do know this: The Denver Broncos won’t negotiate a trade for Marshall. Either a team is prepared to pay a first-rounder or move along. Denver will not take calls on Marshall; it’s either an offer sheet or he plays in Denver next season. If Seattle really wants Marshall, it will take the sixth pick in the draft….

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...-Marshall.html

Originally Posted by Buff

Mike Lombardi seems to think the Broncos won't be open to any trade negotiations:



http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...-Marshall.html

Yes! Way to play hardball Mcd! This stance could change. It's still early, so I like this stance for now.

Personnaly I'd rather have the draft choice as it has a lot less mile on him.

Would be here for another 4-6 years and most likely be a lot less drama.

BM would be here through 2011 if they do not get a CBA signed. As IIRC the UFA have to have 6 years played.


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hmmm. . .

there are a couple of reasons for doing this. . .

either. . . we're just posturing so teams don't lowball us. . . or. . . we actually don't want the 6th pick (for financial or strategic reasons), and we're insisting that someone sign him to an offer sheet because we suspect it'll be a team like cincy or the jets that has a lower 1st which we can use for someone like iupati or pouncey, mt. cody, brandon spikes, golden tate etc. . .

or, we want someone to sign him to an offer sheet as opposed to making a trade offer because it lets someone else negotiate with him and set his market value, at which point we can decide whether to match it or take the draft picks. . .

OR, we're actually trying to play hardball in hopes of getting that #6 pick. . . which wouldn't be very bright, IMO, because we're probably more likely to get stuck with a late 1st when the hawks pass and somebody else with a late pick swoops in. . . if getting the maximum out of the deal is our intention, it makes a LOT more sense to negotiate with seattle and settle for the #14 pick than it does to get greedy and maybe have to settle for less in the end because of it. . .

Reggie Rivers made an interesting comment last night - "Brandon is a proven football player - a draft pick is not only not proven, but may never become a great player. I would rather hold onto someone proven, rather than end up with an unproven player, who may never produce the results of the player you gave up."

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

Reggie Rivers made an interesting comment last night - "Brandon is a proven football player - a draft pick is not only not proven, but may never become a great player. I would rather hold onto someone proven, rather than end up with an unproven player, who may never produce the results of the player you gave up."

Exactly!!!