Thread: The Official Colorado Rockies thread--Now with extra awesome!!

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

That would be a pretty busy outfield for the O's.

Chavez wont be back...if we can get an OBP guy, McLouth wont be re-signed...Reimold is ALWAYS hurt...Davis will be the DH when Markakis is healthy...Lew Ford will go back to AAA.

Outfield of Fowler, Jones, Markakis. Davis can fill in at LF and RF as needed.

I'm rooting for Baltimore since my Reds just ripped my heart out and pooped all over it.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I need OBP guys in Baltimore. How about Brian Matusz? He's from Colorado

No thanks. He seems to be regressing. And a 35% lifetime GB% is going to get him shelled in Colorado. I'd take Hammel back though.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

No thanks. He seems to be regressing. And a 35% lifetime GB% is going to get him shelled in Colorado. I'd take Hammel back though.

Dont take the whole of his career. Look at the progression. He looks MUCH better since he was sent down and brough back up.

Cant have Hammel back. If he wins tonight, he will immediately become an Oriole legend.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Dont take the whole of his career. Look at the progression. He looks MUCH better since he was sent down and brough back up.

Cant have Hammel back. If he wins tonight, he will immediately become an Oriole legend.

But he's not a GB pitcher. At Coors, you have to pitch to contact, and you need to pitch for ground balls. This is why Cook was so successful, Francis is at his best when he does this, and this is what Chacin does when he's on.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

But he's not a GB pitcher. At Coors, you have to pitch to contact, and you need to pitch for ground balls. This is why Cook was so successful, Francis is at his best when he does this, and this is what Chacin does when he's on.

There arent too many of those pitchers available in baseball anymore...at least not any that you'll get for Dexter Fowler. Chen is our best starter in GB% (outside of Jim Johnson) and even his numbers arent amazing.

I think Rox fans are looking for a little too much. Teams that play in hitter friendly ballparks and have success (Reds, Yanks, O's, Rangers) arent successful because they are loaded with ground ball pitchers. They are successful because they have pitchers that know how to pitch.

4 of the Reds starters have given up 25+ HR's this year, 3 of the Braves, 3 of the Yankees. These are 3 of the best rotations in baseball. 15 of the top 40 in HR allowed are in the playoffs...and that doesnt include the 8 that played on teams that barely missed the playoffs. So more than half of the pitchers that give up HR's are on winning teams. 16 of them also have ERA's under 4.

Smart pitching, good hitting, good rotation management. Those are the keys tp pitching success

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

There arent too many of those pitchers available in baseball anymore...at least not any that you'll get for Dexter Fowler. Chen is our best starter in GB% (outside of Jim Johnson) and even his numbers arent amazing.

I think Rox fans are looking for a little too much. Teams that play in hitter friendly ballparks and have success (Reds, Yanks, O's, Rangers) arent successful because they are loaded with ground ball pitchers. They are successful because they have pitchers that know how to pitch.

4 of the Reds starters have given up 25+ HR's this year, 3 of the Braves, 3 of the Yankees. These are 3 of the best rotations in baseball. 15 of the top 40 in HR allowed are in the playoffs...and that doesnt include the 8 that played on teams that barely missed the playoffs. So more than half of the pitchers that give up HR's are on winning teams. 16 of them also have ERA's under 4.

Smart pitching, good hitting, good rotation management. Those are the keys tp pitching success

I agree with your last statement, but as a counter example. Look at Guthrie. He sucked at Coors, gets traded to the Royals, and appears to be a good pitcher again.

The Rockies need pitchers that know how to adjust their mechanics without blowing them up. This is why our Bullpen is one of the best in the league. We've got 4-5 guys that know how to adjust their release points for throwing at home and away.

Furthurmore, our Starting rotation wasn't as horrible as it seems given the fact that the Rockies had the most errors as a team the whole year. If you look at the bottom 5 in errors, you have the Rockies, Astros, Padres, Giants, and the Rays. Pitchers are going to really start screwing up quickly if they can't trust their fielders. And I think the fact that the Giants are in that list, they won't get past the Cardinals or Nats.

Honestly, I'd love to see Fowler get traded for a starter that has 45-50% Ground ball rate ( I don't think that's expecting too much). The Rockies are loaded in the outfield with CarGo, Blackmon, Cuddier, Colvin, EYJr, and a few others of which I can't pull their names out of the air right now. In fact, I wouldn't be super surprised if neither Fowler nor CarGo are on this team next season. I'd be a little pissed, but not surprised.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

I agree with your last statement, but as a counter example. Look at Guthrie. He sucked at Coors, gets traded to the Royals, and appears to be a good pitcher again.

The Rockies need pitchers that know how to adjust their mechanics without blowing them up. This is why our Bullpen is one of the best in the league. We've got 4-5 guys that know how to adjust their release points for throwing at home and away.

Furthurmore, our Starting rotation wasn't as horrible as it seems given the fact that the Rockies had the most errors as a team the whole year. If you look at the bottom 5 in errors, you have the Rockies, Astros, Padres, Giants, and the Rays. Pitchers are going to really start screwing up quickly if they can't trust their fielders. And I think the fact that the Giants are in that list, they won't get past the Cardinals or Nats.

Honestly, I'd love to see Fowler get traded for a starter that has 45-50% Ground ball rate ( I don't think that's expecting too much). The Rockies are loaded in the outfield with CarGo, Blackmon, Cuddier, Colvin, EYJr, and a few others of which I can't pull their names out of the air right now. In fact, I wouldn't be super surprised if neither Fowler nor CarGo are on this team next season. I'd be a little pissed, but not surprised.

We're not going to trade away both of our center fielders.

I'd be thrilled if we could move Cuddy for any type of pitching help whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Buff

We're not going to trade away both of our center fielders.

I'd be thrilled if we could move Cuddy for any type of pitching help whatsoever.

If by some strange course of events happens and we get Hamilton, I could see them both gone. And EYJr. has the potential to play CF for 100-120 games.

Trading Cargo would be stupid.

To say our outfield is "loaded" is a little over the top. You have one all-star caliber starter an average player (Cuddy) and then a bunch of question marks.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

I agree with your last statement, but as a counter example. Look at Guthrie. He sucked at Coors, gets traded to the Royals, and appears to be a good pitcher again.

The Rockies need pitchers that know how to adjust their mechanics without blowing them up. This is why our Bullpen is one of the best in the league. We've got 4-5 guys that know how to adjust their release points for throwing at home and away.

Furthurmore, our Starting rotation wasn't as horrible as it seems given the fact that the Rockies had the most errors as a team the whole year. If you look at the bottom 5 in errors, you have the Rockies, Astros, Padres, Giants, and the Rays. Pitchers are going to really start screwing up quickly if they can't trust their fielders. And I think the fact that the Giants are in that list, they won't get past the Cardinals or Nats.

Honestly, I'd love to see Fowler get traded for a starter that has 45-50% Ground ball rate ( I don't think that's expecting too much). The Rockies are loaded in the outfield with CarGo, Blackmon, Cuddier, Colvin, EYJr, and a few others of which I can't pull their names out of the air right now. In fact, I wouldn't be super surprised if neither Fowler nor CarGo are on this team next season. I'd be a little pissed, but not surprised.

I hear Rangers fans talking about trading a pitching prospect+ for CarGo, so they can replace the top 5 hitter they are willing to let walk away. I almost hope it happens. I'd be curious to see thwir disappointment in his hitting away from Coors. On the other hand...hitting in Arlington is rather inviting as well.

By the way...Colorado was dead last with a team ERA of 5.22. Only team in MLB over 5. And that is EARNED runs. Hard to blame the defense for that. So combining poor pitching with poor defense...not exactly a recipe for success

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

If by some strange course of events happens and we get Hamilton, I could see them both gone. And EYJr. has the potential to play CF for 100-120 games.

You really want to give 5 years and $100+ mil to a guy that will need to be a DH in 2 years?

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I hear Rangers fans talking about trading a pitching prospect+ for CarGo, so they can replace the top 5 hitter they are willing to let walk away. I almost hope it happens. I'd be curious to see thwir disappointment in his hitting away from Coors. On the other hand...hitting in Arlington is rather inviting as well.

By the way...Colorado was dead last with a team ERA of 5.22. Only team in MLB over 5. And that is EARNED runs. Hard to blame the defense for that. So combining poor pitching with poor defense...not exactly a recipe for success

I'm not taking much heat off of the Rockies starting pitching. We had one starting pitcher in our starting rotation at the end of the year, that was there at the beginning of the year, and that was Chacin. Pomerantz should have spent the year in AAA, White is not there yet, the Moyer experement was a disaster, Guthrie (well, I've addressed Guthrie), Nicasio got hurt, DLR wasn't ready to go until the end of the year.

I'm not optomistic, that Nicasio is going to be ready next year and the jury is still out on JDLR, but I do expect an improved starting rotation next year. With all of the injuries Colorado suffered in 2012, I can't be anything but optomistic about 2013, even if I take my homer glasses off I expect them to compete for the 2nd wild card.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

If by some strange course of events happens and we get Hamilton, I could see them both gone. And EYJr. has the potential to play CF for 100-120 games.

What bizzaro world do you live in? As if the Monforts would ever consider paying Hamilton.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

I'm not taking much heat off of the Rockies starting pitching. We had one starting pitcher in our starting rotation at the end of the year, that was there at the beginning of the year, and that was Chacin. Pomerantz should have spent the year in AAA, White is not there yet, the Moyer experement was a disaster, Guthrie (well, I've addressed Guthrie), Nicasio got hurt, DLR wasn't ready to go until the end of the year.

I'm not optomistic, that Nicasio is going to be ready next year and the jury is still out on JDLR, but I do expect an improved starting rotation next year. With all of the injuries Colorado suffered in 2012, I can't be anything but optomistic about 2013, even if I take my homer glasses off I expect them to compete for the 2nd wild card.

Orioles starting rotation day 1. Hammel, Chen, Matusz, Hunter, Arrieta.
Orioles starting rotation playoffs. Hammel, Chen, Gonzalez, Saunders, Tillman...and Hammel just came back from the DL