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    Monza this weekend!

    What's this I see?

    http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/9/6723.html

    The McLaren-Ferrari ‘spy scandal’ took another twist at Monza on Friday when details emerged of a letter sent last week by FIA President Max Mosley to McLaren drivers Fernando Alonso, Pedro de la Rosa and Lewis Hamilton.

    “The FIA has been made aware of an allegation that one or more McLaren drivers may be in possession, or that such drivers have recently been in possession, of written evidence relevant to this investigation,” said the letter, in which Mosley goes on to ask the drivers to produce details of any such documents.

    It follows the FIA’s decision earlier this week to stage a fresh hearing into the circumstances surrounding McLaren’s possession of confidential Ferrari data after the emergence of new evidence. McLaren escaped sanction in the original hearing where the World Motor Sport Council decided there was no proof the team had made use of the data.

    In his letter, Mosley specifically requests that the McLaren drivers forward details of any electronic communications that mention or involve Ferrari, or the Italian team’s former engineer Nigel Stepney, who has denied allegations that he was the source of the leaked information.

    Mosley also stresses that in doing so, the drivers would not face any proceedings under the International Sporting Code or the Formula One regulations, but warns that witholding any information could result in serious consequences.

    The nine Formula One teams not directly involved in the case are also understood to have received an official request from the FIA for any pertinent information.

    The full FIA letter to the McLaren drivers:

    31 August 2007

    Dear Mr De La Rosa

    As you will be aware, the FIA has recently investigated whether, how and to what extent McLaren was in possession of confidential Ferrari technical information. The FIA has subsequently been made aware of an allegation that one or more McLaren drivers may be in possession, or that such drivers have recently been in possession, of written evidence relevant to this investigation.

    In the interests of the sport and the Championship it is important that the FIA as the regulator establishes unequivocally and rapidly whether or not this allegation has any basis in fact.

    The FIA therefore formally requests that you produce copies of any relevant documents which may be in your possession or power of procurement and which may be relevant to this case. For these purposes “documents” includes all written materials such as emails, letters, electronic communications, text messages, notes, memoranda, drawings, diagrams, data,. or other material, stored in any physical, “hard copy” or electronic form. In particular (though without limiting the generality of this request), the FIA wishes to receive copies of any electronic communications (howsoever conveyed or stored) which may be relevant to this case and which make reference to Ferrari, Nigel Stepney or any technical or other information coming from or connected with either Ferrari or Mr Stepney. In the event that you are aware of the existence or previous existence of any document falling within the above description but are not in a position to produce it, please describe the content of the document in question, the circumstances under which it came to your knowledge and the reasons why you are unable to produce it. In the event that you are unsure as to whether any document falls within the above description, kindly submit it (or a description of it) and the FIA will assist in making a determination.

    You will appreciate that there is a duty on all competitors and Super Licence holders to ensure the fairness and legitimacy of the Formula One World Championship. It is therefore imperative that if you do have any such information, you make it available to us without delay. I can confirm, given the importance of this issue, that any information you may make available in response to this letter will not result in any proceedings against you under the International Sporting Code or the Formula One regulations. However, in the event that it later comes to light that you have withheld any potentially relevant information, serious consequences could follow.

    We are sending identical letters to Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton. We look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. Thank you very much for your co-operation.

    Yours sincerely

    Max Mosley

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    McLaren have lost all constructers points.

    Somehow I still think this isn't over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWookieeBronco View Post
    McLaren have lost all constructers points.

    Somehow I still think this isn't over.
    I read yesterday Mclaren was fined $100 million (not a typo) and lost a specific number of constructer points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnedator View Post
    I read yesterday Mclaren was fined $100 million (not a typo) and lost a specific number of constructer points.
    This one's going to end up in the courts................the last place any sport needs to be


    $100 mil's got to be a record sporting fine
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    I saw another article where Mclaren has already said they were going to appeal the fine.

    $100 million fine for McLaren in spy case
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    Article Last Updated: 09/14/2007 02:35:43 AM PDT


    Formula One team McLaren was fined $100 million and stripped of its points in the constructors' standings Thursday in the biggest scandal to hit auto racing's premier circuit.
    McLaren, which had led drivers' and constructors' standings, was punished by the World Motor Sports Council for allegedly using leaked secret technical documents belonging to F1 rival Ferrari.

    Team drivers Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso, currently

    1-2 in the championship standings, were not punished and can continue to compete for the season title.

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    Lewis can win the championship on the next race.


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    A world championship for Raikkonen was way over due but it's a real shame Lewis Hamilton couldn't make history.

    Looks like it's been a rough weekend for English sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWookieeBronco View Post
    A world championship for Raikkonen was way over due but it's a real shame Lewis Hamilton couldn't make history.

    Looks like it's been a rough weekend for English sport.
    Yeah, nerves got to him abit, but his poor start eventually had no bearing on events.................

    Been a good championship though, some good racing on the track and more than a little intrigue off it...................which is continuing after the final race
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    Quote Originally Posted by Den21vsBal19 View Post
    Yeah, nerves got to him abit, but his poor start eventually had no bearing on events.................

    Been a good championship though, some good racing on the track and more than a little intrigue off it...................which is continuing after the final race


    McLaren wont win the appeal, if anything BMW and Williams will get a small fine. I don't think it would be fair to take the championship away from Kimi now anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWookieeBronco View Post


    McLaren wont win the appeal, if anything BMW and Williams will get a small fine. I don't think it would be fair to take the championship away from Kimi now anyway.
    Yeah, you're probably right..................but considering all the shenanigans, it's a pretty appropriate way of ending the year
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    Howdy guys.
    Very apt Mclaren won nothing this year. Shame for Lewis but as far as Mclaren are concerned they were lucky to even get to race the last few races.
    Side note, Michael Schumacher is testing the car at Barcelona next week because niether current driver has experience with an F1 car without Traction control. Rumors have it if his performance is at the top of the time sheets, he may even consider a return.

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    Interesting to hear on Radio 5Live last night that Renault have been asked to appear in front of the authorities for allegedly breaking the same rules as McLaren, ironically enough the engineer involved is an ex-McLaren man

    BBC~ Renault face McLaren spy charge
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    And should suffer the same punishment.
    Then next year Williams will be the third placed team, and as a historical thing, I hope they bring out the big red 5 again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by y2cragie View Post
    And should suffer the same punishment.
    Then next year Williams will be the third placed team, and as a historical thing, I hope they bring out the big red 5 again.
    Would Williams race Red 5?

    I always thought that was at Mansell's request?
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    I don't know if they would, I just think it would be cool to see it again.

    Testing for the 2008 season began today, guess who was fastest. Yes sir, on M. Schumacher. A year away from racing, first real time in the car (4 slow laps at fiorano for the fiat guys) and he bangs in the fastest lap. I think Felipe needs to top that tomorrow or else he really could be in jeapordy.

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