Thread: Reggie Bush vs. Mario Williams. 2 years later...

I'm personally glad the way that draft turned out

Between the 2 of them, Bush and vince Young are the most overrated pair of college superstars of all time. Just my opinion, but I think Young is Kordell Stewart and Bush is Eric Metcalf. Decent players in the right system but by no means worth high 1st round status. I know, fire away, but I am used to catching hell for my opinions.

Originally Posted by atwater27

Between the 2 of them, Bush and vince Young are the most overrated pair of college superstars of all time. Just my opinion, but I think Young is Kordell Stewart and Bush is Eric Metcalf. Decent players in the right system but by no means worth high 1st round status. I know, fire away, but I am used to catching hell for my opinions.

I don't think they are overrated at all. The college game is different. Those two absolutely dominated the college game. The pro game is so much different. Most of it has to do with the athleticism and skill at linebacker. The linebacker pool is so depleted in college that good athletes at the running back or quarterback position can run rampant. But, at the pro level, they are elite and can neutralize that. What it takes in today's NFL to be a solid quarterback is intelligence and arm strength...running back, ability to run between the tackles. Neither of those players showed that in college and neither of them are showing that in the pros. The difference is the skill level of the linebackers....

Reggie Bush was never meant to be an every down back, and i'm assuming the Saints knew that but they thought since Mcallister is injured why not give him a shot?

They're both pretty good talent.

I do have to say I don't think VY will end up busting. He is who he is and Tennessee is used to working around that. McNair was a pretty mobile gunslinger in his day. Although I see McNair as the superior of the 2, I think VY CAN be good...but 3rd overall? ouch.

I've always wondered how Bush would do in a zone blocking scheme. Anyway, Bush would have done better in a Denver type offensive system.

Would anyone here mind if Bush was a Bronco right now?

Originally Posted by topscribe

The Texans have built a D-line that rivals and may surpass the Giants' line,
especially in that their DTs are much better, IMO.

The day they drafted Super Mario, I was so happy for them that they made
the right decision, in my mind. I got a little concerned in 2006, when Mario
didn't seem to make the splash many seemed to think an overall #1 should
make, but I also realized he was just a rookie. Last year, he improved
dramatically . . . one heck of a jump.

This year . . . well, he may start throwing offensive linemen at quarterbacks.

Wish he was a Bronco. *sigh*

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Pretty sure it was you and me vs the world back when that selection was made.

At the time, the Texans had a stud RB, it just made sense (for the personnel they had) to draft Williams.

The thing to keep in mind is how much better he got in year 2. (Our guys will look alot better this year) It takes awhile to learn the hand fighting techniques of the pro's.

Originally Posted by Npba900

Would anyone here mind if Bush was a Bronco right now?

I would. Because that means Cutler is not a Bronco.

Originally Posted by str8jacket

I'm personally glad the way that draft turned out

I am too. Denver's 11th overall selection is on his way.

28-2...landslide much?

Since Vince Young's name came up: rookie season, 1 game from the playoffs; second season, playoffs.

And this with a terrible suppporting cast on offense. Who were Tennessee's receivers this year?

Vince is effective as a option threat; his running opens up his passing. When he hurt his leg this year, this took away the threat of his running. Still, he took a mediocre team to the playoffs.

Hard to throw a guy under the bus, especially at qb, with those kind of early results.

Originally Posted by mclark

Since Vince Young's name came up: rookie season, 1 game from the playoffs; second season, playoffs.

And this with a terrible suppporting cast on offense. Who were Tennessee's receivers this year?

Vince is effective as a option threat; his running opens up his passing. When he hurt his leg this year, this took away the threat of his running. Still, he took a mediocre team to the playoffs.

Hard to throw a guy under the bus, especially at qb, with those kind of early results.

The Titans won in spite of Young, not because of him. They have had a great defense and a savvy coach and a decent running game. Young has won with his legs, but his arm and general QB skills are suspect to say the least.

The key word is win

Win just like Jake Plummer did before Cutty took over?

Originally Posted by atwater27

The Titans won in spite of Young, not because of him. They have had a great defense and a savvy coach and a decent running game. Young has won with his legs, but his arm and general QB skills are suspect to say the least.

Young played more than half of his second year injured, unable to run.

However, John Elway had 25 TDS and 29 interceptions his first two years; Young 21 TDS and 30 interceptions his first two.

Elway completed 47% of his passes in year 1, 56.3% in year 2. Young completed 51.5% on his passes in year 1, 62.3% in year 2.

Tennessee did have a good defense this season. But it's still too early to throw Vince under the bus. A lot of football experts were throwing John Elway under the bus also after two seasons. It takes more than 2 seasons to learn to be an effective qb in the NFL.

If you watched the Tennessee playoff game, Young's first three passes were dropped. Tennessee is badly in need of some playmakers at wide receiver.


JOHN ELWAY
1983 – 259 attempts 123 completions – 47% - 1663 yards – 7 TDS – 14 INT – 54.9% RATING
1984 – 380 attempts, 214 completions – 56.3% - 2598 yards – 18 TDS – 15 INT – 76.8% RATING

VINCE YOUNG
2006 – 357 attempts, 184 completions – 51.5% - 2199 yards – 12 TDS – 13 INT – 66% RATING
2007 – 382 attempts, 238 completions – 62.3% - 2546 yards – 9 TD – 17 INT – 71.1 RATING