You make it sound like only stud WRs get to play with those rules. Here's the thing, it's a passing league but still teams aren't winning SB's with super duper elite wideouts (mostly).
You typically would want to get more elite players. A great way to do that is to acquire draft picks. A great way to do that is to make a trade. A great way to make a trade is to find a player you can live without. Hey, don't you guys have some numbskull wideout who is really good but is a cancer....I bet you could trade him!and when you only have an elite LT out of those positions listed?
The issue is that I have no reason to trust Marshall who is as trust worthy and believable as Rod Blagojevich. I would have an easier time believing Marshall if he didn't leave practice because cold air makes it hard for him to breathe.Sorry man, Im' not buying this. There was nothing that showed up on Al Wilson's MRI, and Rod SMith's MRI, and Marshall's hip last year. I personally think its ridiculous to think that this MRI is some kind of magical 'proof' that Marshall did or didn't have an injury, and now he's supposed to be held accountable by a medical that has proved to be so unreliable already? Especially when he just went 15 games and busted his ASS for this team? What did he have to gain by sitting if he wasn't hurt? Not buying that junk for a moment. You can if you want. I know how you feel about Marshall, and you are going to take McD's opinion on the situation. Thats cool. But when this PARTICULAR staff has already misdiagnosed two of Denver's all-time greats.. guys that would NEVER have their heart/toughness/integrity questioned (especially publicly by the coach).... then I have no reason to trust them with this.
The issue is that his own players went to him and asked him to get tough on the team. It seems to me that there are only a few players who have bad relation with him.I also have NO reason to believe that McDaniels didn't make an overly-passionate and overly-emotional decision with Marshall on this. Thats what he's shown to be.. someone that is QUICK to react, and stubborn to recant. His passion and excitement are both his plus and his minus, and I think these player relations are the perfect example of them being the minus.
It seems better than keeping a guy who constantly quits on you. It seems better to make a real offense that has diversified threats. Go ahead and keep him. I mean it's worked out great for you guys in the past, right? All sorts of playoff berths and what not have come from the fruits of Marshall's labor.Again.. you want to get rid of the guys we HAVE and hope to find guys like Ward???? Until you have someone like him on the roster, chances of finding a guy with that kind of ability AND the kind of 'perfect' personality you want, are very very rare. When you have an elite talent, especially when you don't have anyone else even CLOSE to replacing him with... getting rid of him simply lowers the abilities of your team.
[QUOTE]YOur statement as far as Marshall 'quitting" on the team, has no value to me. Thats taking McD's word on the situation, and again, he hasn't shown me for a MOMENT to tell the truth at all. He's proved time that he will lie as fast as anyone to make himself look good to the media. So you have nothing that gives me any true indication that Marshall would all-of-a-sudden QUIT on this team when he proved to be ALL EVERYTHING all season long for us. Just doesn't hold water to me.
And your counterargument holds no water to me. I guess it's nice we can argue this out on a message board, huh?
I don't recall McDaniels lying at all. Why is Marshall quitting on you a surprise? I have been repeatedly bashed on this website for going "Yeah, Marshall, great player, too bad he's bad for your team." I remember getting slaughtered for posting "It's funny how quickly a fanbase can forget the past actions of players."
Yeah, let me tell you who ISN'T looking like an ass right now on that one. I'll give you a hint, he's a Bengals fan, one of your favorite posters and really likes bacon.
It's the same guy who was drafted in the second or third round because he was an idiot in college. The same guy who repeatedly got into trouble with the law. The same guy who was batting balls down in the summer. The same guy who got suspended. The same guy who left practice because dammit to hell cold air is just brutal these days.
Go ahead and give him the benefit of the doubt because if you end up keeping him I'll enjoy another round of "I told you so."
One of those 'big time talents' helped force his own way out of town and the 'other' big time talent was reportedly on Shanahan's chopping block several times. Not my team, really couldn't comment on that one, but I do know that even if Cutler was his bad this one isn't. Marshall is a turd. A gigantic cancer. A 'tancer' if you will.CLose. I don't think a new contract patches anything up with Marshall here. Not one bit. Nothing is going to make Marshall want to play for this coach.. money or not. I know he's gone. But you are right. I do think that they BOTH need to do a LOT of growing up. My biggest problem, is that while our HC is learning to grow up, we are hemorrhaging big-time talent. Big time talent that didn't have any problems with previous, more mature, coaches. Seems like an awful BIG coincidence that we are blaming several different players, and then trying to blame previous coaches, when the ONE common denominator is staring us in the face. :whoeknows:
I could say that Peyton Manning is a cancer. Doesn't mean there's anything there to really substantiate it. Don't get me wrong, Ocho can act like an ass, but the difference with him is that he learns his lesson the first time. Does it excuse it? No. Would I rather have him on my team? Yeah, because at least when it comes time to play football I know that he's ready for it.Same could be said about Ocho, right? Cancer implies that what he is doing is some how "spreading" throughout the locker room.. like cancer spreads. Nothing Marshall has done is spreading around and tearing at the locker room.
And if you had a star wideout that wasn't a cancer....I understand what you're saying, but it seems to me like you know Marshall is a turd and is hurting your team.If we had elite talent at QB, where they could make other WRs look better, and perform better....then losing a star WR doesn't hurt as bad. When you have the kind of average talent we have at QB, you can't lose the only star you have on offense and simply expect to make it up with other average players (like gaffney).
McDaniels isn't acting like he's bigger than the team.It seems that the biggest "mantra" around here is "no one is bigger than the team." To me, that stands for the coach as well. Respect is earned, not demanded simply because you wear the HC hat.
As always, Ravage, I've greatly enjoyed this exchange.