Thread: Shaun Rogers on Broncos' radar

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8339665


By Bill Williamson
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 02/22/2008 10:05:49 PM MST

INDIANAPOLIS — The Broncos are examining the possibility of pursuing super talented but often lackadaisical Detroit defensive tackle Shaun Rogers.

According to two sources close to the situation, Denver is in the exploration process of looking at Rogers. Friday, Lions general manager Matt Millen said he would listen to deals for the seven-year veteran. Rogers has been seeking a trade, and at least a handful of teams are expected to be in play.

Denver has long been an admirer of Rogers, who had one of his better games last season against the Broncos. Denver is looking for defensive tackle help, which may be its greatest need, along with a safety.

It would likely cost a second- or third-round pick to get Rogers. Denver and Detroit hooked up for a trade last year, when the Broncos brought in cornerback Dré Bly for Tatum Bell and George Foster.

Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, is expected to be involved in any trade talks. He is also Bly's agent and was involved last year's deal.

McGuire had no comment on any deal involving Rogers.

Denver could potentially look at defensive tackle Rod Coleman, who was recently cut by Atlanta

I know everyone hates the "need" draft, but we "need" LT and DT...

a second could work for me if he is not a cap buster.. The odds of a second coming in a starting day one are high..

Great DT's are hard to come by and a 7 year vet still should have alot of miles on him at least enough to get another one in the draft in couple of years to learn the ropes instead of like what happened to Thomas last season.

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I'd take Rogers over Coleman, but either one would be a very nice addition. We NEED DT help.

Rogers won't cost us a second rounder.

Malcontent players don't go for that high.

I could see Denver trading a future pick for the guy, but there's no way we only have one draft selection in the first three rounds.

If we did trade the second for Rogers, we better be trading DOWN, DOWN, DOWN and picking up more selections.

We can't go from #12 and wait until around #100 in the fourth round for our next selection. Not in this draft. Not with all our needs.

Trade down, get an extra second or third round pick with a day two choice. Send one of those picks for Rogers, then we'll still have ammo gained to spend on this nice talented draft.

dream, i like that plan a lot.

i'm confused from other threads, are you against picking up rogers?

Doesn't this idea sound really familiar, like over the past several years before the last draft??? And if so, how's that workin' out for ya?

Maybe Rogers would be ok, but this is deja vu all over again.

I don't really want Rogers because he's a malcontent and would probably be another mistake in the long line of Broncos acquiring players who have serious attitude problems; but then again - Rogers just wants to win and I can see how being in Detroit forever can really dampen your spirits. (Like Bly)

On the flip side, he can help us win now and in the future. He's only 28 and has a great season last year. He has 5 quality years left in him I'd say, but I wouldn't expect that much.

Rogers is a good player, but at what cost? (Pick wise, financially, and risk wise.)

If Denver could trade down and get a few more selections and then trade a third or a mid-round pick that they have now for him; sure.

Think of it this way, we throw #42 at Rogers (which in this class is like a first rounder IMHO) and we sit from #12 to about #104 without another single selection, unless we were morons and traded more future picks.

I don't approve of that.

I'd approve of getting Rogers if we did it a smart way at the right price.

#42 is too much for him. Way too much.

Originally Posted by Dream

I don't really want Rogers because he's a malcontent and would probably be another mistake in the long line of Broncos acquiring players who have serious attitude problems; but then again - Rogers just wants to win and I can see how being in Detroit forever can really dampen your spirits. (Like Bly)

On the flip side, he can help us win now and in the future. He's only 28 and has a great season last year. He has 5 quality years left in him I'd say, but I wouldn't expect that much.

Rogers is a good player, but at what cost? (Pick wise, financially, and risk wise.)

If Denver could trade down and get a few more selections and then trade a third or a mid-round pick that they have now for him; sure.

Think of it this way, we throw #42 at Rogers (which in this class is like a first rounder IMHO) and we sit from #12 to about #104 without another single selection, unless we were morons and traded more future picks.

I don't approve of that.

I'd approve of getting Rogers if we did it a smart way at the right price.

#42 is too much for him. Way too much.

couldn't agree more. i feel like i'm one of the guys who wants rogers more than many, and 42 is def too much to give up.

do you think the lions would go for any type of deal such as our 12 for their 15 and rogers? do you see something like this working out for both teams?

Originally Posted by shawshank24

couldn't agree more. i feel like i'm one of the guys who wants rogers more than many, and 42 is def too much to give up.

do you think the lions would go for any type of deal such as our 12 for their 15 and rogers? do you see something like this working out for both teams?

I never even thought of that, but I'd take that deal in a heart beat. It'd work for us I'd say - I don't know about them. Is three spots really worth it?

Depends on who is there. We could have some leverage. Don't they need an OT?

*shrugs*

I'd do that trade, I don't know if they would.

Then after that, I'd trade down from #15 to about #25 and pick up a second and a fourth and have myself a cookie or two.

if we trade for rogers, look for foxworth to be part of the deal. . . they are in absolute desperate need of some solid cornerback play, and with foxworth and paymah both hitting RFA we may look to tender one of them and move the other while we can still get something for him. . . foxworth doesn't have prototypical size for a cover-2 corner, but he has shown that he's willing to come up and stick his nose in and make tackles-- remember the game (cincinnati, i think it was) a year ago where he had 14 tackles and collapsed in the locker room afterwards? he's a smart, versatile team player, and those are the kind of guys marinelli wants to build around. . . plus, he is young, but has a lot of experience for his age-- and they could really use someone who can contribute immediately, even if they do spend a high draft pick on the position as well. . . .

Originally Posted by Dream

I don't really want Rogers because he's a malcontent and would probably be another mistake in the long line of Broncos acquiring players who have serious attitude problems; but then again - Rogers just wants to win and I can see how being in Detroit forever can really dampen your spirits. (Like Bly)

On the flip side, he can help us win now and in the future. He's only 28 and has a great season last year. He has 5 quality years left in him I'd say, but I wouldn't expect that much.

Rogers is a good player, but at what cost? (Pick wise, financially, and risk wise.)

If Denver could trade down and get a few more selections and then trade a third or a mid-round pick that they have now for him; sure.

Think of it this way, we throw #42 at Rogers (which in this class is like a first rounder IMHO) and we sit from #12 to about #104 without another single selection, unless we were morons and traded more future picks.

I don't approve of that.

I'd approve of getting Rogers if we did it a smart way at the right price.

#42 is too much for him. Way too much.

I agree...kind of. I would actually not mind acquiring him but on the condition that we hedge our bets by drafting someone. Basically, Rogers is worth a 4th. Dream is right about malcontents getting a second. This dude isnt too unlike Walker. A few weeks ago, it was reported they would cut Rogers and now he's worth a 2nd? Come on! Where do the get this. Giving up a 2nd for Rogers would be dumb. A 4th is an entirely different matter. Id rather sign Sopoaga and then draft Moore or Laws.

as to the questio of whether we SHOULD get rogers or not (academic, anyways), i can definitely see both sides of the argument. . .


PROS

he is an elite physical talent in his prime, at a position where we're desperate for help-- preferably someone who can help now. . . he's been pretty durable over the years, with '06 being the one noticeable exception. . . he's also a proven commodity. . . when he plays hard, he can be every bit as good as albert haynseworth, who was a DMVP candidate this year before he got hurt-- rogers can be that same kind of difference-maker, as we all saw when he almost single-handedly wrecked our entire offense this year. . .

he has enormous base strength, and can be close to immovable when he's fresh. . . he can control double-teams and force the action outside, or split them and be disruptive in the backfield. . . he's also a capable pass rusher who can crush smaller OLs with his bull rush and collapse the pocket. . . if he's playing at the top of his game, he also makes the rest of our defense that much better. . . he's a widebody who can keep our undersized LBs clean and allow them to flow to the ball instead of always having to fight their way through trash, and his presence and ability to draw the double would free up an awful lot of one-on-one situations for our young linemen. . . the presence of a DT of his caliber can have a trickle-down effect on the entire unit. . .


CONS

all that stuff is great-- IF he'll actually come in and do it on a regular basis. . . his reputation for giving inconsistent effort is well documented. . . you can always hope that a change of scenery will improve his attitude (who WOULDN'T want to get out of detroit?) ala randy moss this season, but it's nothing more than hope. . . most likely, conditioning is a big part of the problem, as he's a guy who has always struggled to control his weight. . . a smart team will set a weight limit and fine him if he exceeds it. . .

one significant worry is that he was suspended for four games in '06 due to violation of the performance-enhancing drug policy. . . one more slip-up would likely result in a year's suspension-- you'd hate to see him pull a sauerbrun and get canned for a year because his fat ass took some ephedra in the offseason. . . . there were also reports that he pulled a gun at a strip club (what is it about the titty bars that makes these morons get violent?), although he was never formally charged with anything IIFC. . . .


ultimately, it's a high risk, high reward type of move. . . . if rogers comes in and consistently performs at the level he's capable of, he can vault us right back into the ranks of playoff contenders. . . unfortunately, history suggests that it isn't likely to happen. . . my bet is that if he's moved he will come out with a chip on his shouledr, at least initially. . . but can he sustain it? you'd have to hope that the team could put together a win streak early and keep him interested, because sometimes for guys who have gotten used to losing, winning can have it's own intrinsic motivational value. . . it kinda sucks that he's got three more years on his contract-- it's great if he plays like the stud that he can be, but i'd like it better if he were closer to a contract year. . . . not much you can do about it, though. . . .

for me, it really all comes down to the price. . . . if he can be had for reasonable compensation, i would take a deep breath and pull the trigger-- the guy is a douchebag, and i don't trust him to bring it full time, but there's no question that he is far superior talent-wise to pretty much anyone else we can bring in at this point. . . if we can work it so that we can bring him in and still maintain two 1st day picks (even if one of them is lower than what it is now), i would probably take the chance. . . . but if they think they're getting a 2nd for him straight up, i'd tell them to get bent. . . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

CONS

all that stuff is great-- IF he'll actually come in and do it on a regular basis. . . his reputation for giving inconsistent effort is well documented. . . you can always hope that a change of scenery will improve his attitude (who WOULDN'T want to get out of detroit?) ala randy moss this season, but it's nothing more than hope. . . most likely, conditioning is a big part of the problem, as he's a guy who has always struggled to control his weight. . . a smart team will set a weight limit and fine him if he exceeds it. . .

one significant worry is that he was suspended for four games in '06 due to violation of the performance-enhancing drug policy. . . one more slip-up would likely result in a year's suspension-- you'd hate to see him pull a sauerbrun and get canned for a year because his fat ass took some ephedra in the offseason. . . . there were also reports that he pulled a gun at a strip club (what is it about the titty bars that makes these morons get violent?), although he was never formally charged with anything IIFC. . . .

for me, it really all comes down to the price. . . . if he can be had for reasonable compensation, i would take a deep breath and pull the trigger-- the guy is a douchebag, and i don't trust him to bring it full time, but there's no question that he is far superior talent-wise to pretty much anyone else we can bring in at this point. . . if we can work it so that we can bring him in and still maintain two 1st day picks (even if one of them is lower than what it is now), i would probably take the chance. . . . but if they think they're getting a 2nd for him straight up, i'd tell them to get bent. . . .

i actually hadn't heard about the substance incident or the strip club incident... i hate to say it, but even with those, our DT sitch is so bad that i still really want rogers on our team... but just like everyone else who doesn't wear a helmet in the bathtub, i only want him at the right price. a 2nd straight up is too much, but a third or equivelant value sounds like a reasonable risk considering our DTs as of right now.

and like you mentioned, i'd rather include foxworth (as great as he is as a leader, role model, and player) i just happen to like paymah more and i think foxworth has the higher value to another team because of his more extensive playing time.