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Jackson's threat as a returner is the reason his value is so high because he's lethal there. Otherwise, he's just a second to third round guy. Then again, we could just get a guy like Avery 50-75 picks later if we were looking for a slot guy with return skills.
I don't mind Jackson at #12, he makes plays.
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I'm not impressed with Jackson at all. I'd rather spend some money and draft pick on Stewart.
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Who would have more value to our team AND special teams: Jonathan Stewart (starting running back and kickoff-returner) or Jackson (punt-returner and possible starter at wide receiver)?
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12 – RClady, OT, Boise State – excellent
41 – ERoyal, WR, Virginia Tech – not a value?
104 – KLichtensteiger, C, Bowling Green – excellent
115 – JWilliams, CB, Kent State - not a value
139 – RTorian, RB, Arizona State - not a value
148 – C Powell DT, Virginia Tech – journeyman type?
183 – S Larsen, ILB, Arizona – excellent value
220 -- J Barrett, S, Arizona State – excellent value
227 -- P Hills, FB, Arkansas – excellent value
Free Agent: love the Woodyard signing.
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long term?Originally Posted by mclark
stewart, no question at all in my mind. . . .
Source: draftheadquarters.comCalifornia WR DeSean Jackson measured in at 5'9/169 at the NFL Combine weigh-in.
This is significant. Jackson was listed at 6'0/172 during his Cal days. He still has superior explosiveness to hang his hat on, but teams may not view such a diminutive player as a legitimate outside receiver right away. Expect Jackson to fall at least to the bottom of the first round.
i just can't see jackson holding up as a fulltime starter-- to me, he's a #3 and a completely one-dimensional one at that. . . . there's nothing to his game but speed. . . .
- John Elway“When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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1- Dante Hall, Via Sikehema (sp?)...there have been others as good as Hester.
2- Again, Ginn had a number of big returns called back...that worsens the stats a bit.
3- Jackson is dangerous. I never said he'd be a stud WR, but what he can do in the return game would help considerably. He should contribute at WR as well, but that's not what he'd be drafted for.
Jackson is far from my #1 choice, but yer being close minded if you don't think he can help Denver.
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no. . . he has done more in two years than hall did in a career. . . .
every returner has some called back, and properly so if they were sprung by an illegal block. . .2- Again, Ginn had a number of big returns called back...that worsens the stats a bit.
call me closed-minded then, i'm cool with that. . . . seriously, can you name a single 1st round prospect outside of quarterback who wouldn't potentially help the team in some form? i see no way he helps us enough to justify a selection anywhere near that high. . . . if we can't find a freakin' punt returner without spending a top-12 pick, no wonder we're such a mediocre team. . . . if we draft desean jackson at 12, bowlen should fire shanahan, sundquist, and anyone else inviolved with the selection-- that night, before they can make our 2nd day picks! i don't care if he has to phone 'em in himself. . . .3- Jackson is dangerous. I never said he'd be a stud WR, but what he can do in the return game would help considerably. He should contribute at WR as well, but that's not what he'd be drafted for.
Jackson is far from my #1 choice, but yer being close minded if you don't think he can help Denver.
- John Elway“When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/fea...bine/buzz.html
For the most part we haven't had much big news come out of the weigh-in's but that changed this morning. Everyone knew that Cal WR DeSean Jackson didn't have the bulk you look for but he came in at only 167 lbs., which is 5 lbs. less than he was listed at in college. Making matters even worse though is that Jackson was only 5-9 3/4, over two inches shorter than anticipated.
I personally wouldn't take him in the 1st rd. If he is there in the 2nd it could be a posibility. No question he would help our return game though. One good hit from a 240 pound LB would crush him.
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the word used was "considerably"...not "in some form." He is explosive. He puts teams on their heels and forces mistakes by punters who try to kick away from him. Again, he's hardly my #1 guy, but as has been said before, this isn't the best draft to be sitting at #12 w/o needing a CB or RB. Given that Henry is apparently sataying, RB isn't a need...neither is CB. So...do we reach for LB, DT or S? Do we take a OT at 12 who is basically a carbon copy if the next 4 prospects behind him? I dunno the answer. I just think that Jackson could make at least as much of an immediate impact if not more so than any of the other guys at 12.
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Good point. I would like us to trade back picking up extra picks. drading up (without selling the farm) is also an option to grab Ellis/Dorsey.
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i'm more concerned with long term impact than immediate impact-- especially with a pick in the top half of the first round. . . . i'm looking for franchise building blocks, not part-time players. . . . seriously, every single year there are speedy return specialists taken in the middle rounds who make an immediate impact. . . give me stewart or mendenhall, with an OL (albert, cherilus, collins) or LB (wheeler, mayo) in the 2nd, or clady with a LB, DT (simms) or RB (charles) in the 2nd. . . . i'd take stewart or mendenhall over jackson even if you told me they wouldn't take a single snap this year. . . .
- John Elway“When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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Yeah but do you see Shanny's starting RB returning kickoffs? Not me.
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Dude, c'mon. Look at TDs per return. Hester is so far above and beyond what other returners have done it's not even funny. He's like the Jordan of returners.
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I'm not willing to call anyone the best ever after 2 years of service. Brian Mitchell was dominant via the return game for quite a long time. Not saying hester won't be, but I wanna see him do it for the long haul.
But that is getting off the point. I'm neither an advocate for nor a detractor of Jackson. It could be any returnman at 12...this year it happens to be Jackson. Given our needs, our draft position and the perceived "value" there, who sees an explosive returnman as a viable option at 12?
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We may able to get Jackson in RD2. His stock is going to drop unless he runs some crazy time tmorrow.
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Yeah...I actually started this before I heard he was plummeting...again, it was more about the concept than the specific player. The 12 spot SUX this year.
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