Von Kinger
Gone Fishing

Good luck getting folks to vote the way you want them to by telling them you know better for them, and ignoring their feelings.

It won't work, but good luck.

We're on the same side on free trade. We're on the same side on immigration. We're close to being on the same side on healthcare. We're on the same side when it comes to our overactive police state and how they treat minorities. I say this just to highlight that we don't disagree much on major policy initiatives.

If you want to attract rural white folks to vote in a way that fits with your worldview, you can't just tell them, "these things are better for you." Because they don't see it. The guy in Ohio who lost his job at the auto parts factory in the last financial crisis feels like the world is conspiring against him. Bankers and Elites got bailed out. Meanwhile, his family left him because he can't support them anymore.

What sounds better to that guy? What's in his best interest? Walls, and leaving trade agreements, and tariffs against cheap foreign goods all sound more in his interest. You can't just tell him, "trust us, we know better". He doesn't trust anyone. Not democrats, not republicans. Trump is the dummy crazy enough to tell him what he wants to hear, and it's different than what he's heard from either party for decades.

There are millions of folks in similar situations that all switched from voting for Obama to voting for Trump in this last election. Were they voting against their interests when they voted for Obama? They're still under-employed. They're surrounded by drug addicts whose drug dealers are Doctors pushing them pain pills etc., paid via medicaid. They're families are disintegrating because they can't support them. The schools are falling apart. etc. etc.

Trump's the only guy who has even flirted with these folks.

Their own self interest begins with having someone who at least acknowledges their problems.

Damn it King. They understand what their best interests are! Your interests for them, are not their own. They may appear stupid to you, but that doesn't matter because they are not you and you are not them.

If red states constantly vote against their best interests and elect Republicans, then by the same argument blue states vote against their best interests in electing Democrats. Why are blue states always electing these Democrats who send all of the Federal budget to red states and pay huge taxes that never come back to their benefit because they get paid out in welfare benefits to folks in Mississippi?

It's silly to make that argument. Don't be silly.

Nobody votes against their own perceived self interest. Stop making that lazy argument. It inhibits you from understanding anything. Just because you don't understand their self-interests, or prioritize interests in the same way doesn't mean that they are voting against their own self interest.

I haven't read that, but will check it out. Obviously, I liked that he was conservative, but more so it was that I believe he believed in the law (too many on both side are activists) and in the constitution and took what he did very seriously.

Hey, looking forward to seeing you again. You have friends here . . .

Believe it or not, I'm highly optimistic of where we are at right now and if we're being really honest, it's week 1. The areas we're struggling with will be strengthened going forward. It's too early to judge (even where paxton is concerned) and I'm just trying to play the wait and see game.

Oh, there's some baiting going on dude, but it's ok. I'm not upset about it The picture post was more meant as a joke and as my way to nope the hell out of further discussion. We're cool man, I'm just not doing this tonight. We'll see what week two brings, hopefully all 3 dudes will play so awesome that we won't even be able to argue.

Just got lucky with some quips!!