View Full Version : John Lynch is Going to the Pro Bowl
BroncoWave
01-22-2008, 09:39 PM
http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2008/1/22/202047/771
Good for him. Don't think he deserves it but it's always nice to see some Broncos there.
Dreadnought
01-22-2008, 10:09 PM
http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2008/1/22/202047/771
Good for him. Don't think he deserves it but it's always nice to see some Broncos there.
I agree, though he's still our best safety by a mile:Cry:
BANJOPICKER1
01-22-2008, 10:49 PM
He Da Man...:D:defense:
broncogirl7
01-22-2008, 10:55 PM
Way to go Lynch.
NightTrainLayne
01-22-2008, 11:00 PM
Congrats to Lynch. Even though he's probably skating in on his career as a whole, he still earned it.
Skinny
01-22-2008, 11:16 PM
This could be a good thing and a deciding factor on his retirement. A good thing for those who want him to return that is ... and maybe a not so good thing if you don't. It could play a big part ...
SmilinAssasSin27
01-22-2008, 11:44 PM
Included on name recognition alone.
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01-23-2008, 01:26 AM
Included on name recognition alone.
That might be true in a popular vote, but aren't alternates chosen by the
coaches? It has been my observation that alternates have on occasion
seemed better than the first string Pro Bowlers.
Not that Lynch is better than Sanders, but recognizing production and talent
is what coaches do.
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Lonestar
01-23-2008, 01:33 AM
That might be true in a popular vote, but aren't alternates chosen by the
coaches? It has been my observation that alternates have on occasion
seemed better than the first string Pro Bowlers.
Not that Lynch is better than Sanders, but recognizing production and talent
is what coaches do.
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absolutely the coaches know who the best players are.. So he is not Bob Saunders Big Deal.. Not many are.. Would he have been a first choice had he not been out for several games this years I guess we will never know for sure..
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 06:42 AM
this shows that tha pro bowl is all BS
SmilinAssasSin27
01-23-2008, 08:58 AM
That might be true in a popular vote, but aren't alternates chosen by the
coaches? It has been my observation that alternates have on occasion
seemed better than the first string Pro Bowlers.
Not that Lynch is better than Sanders, but recognizing production and talent
is what coaches do.
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I still say name recognition, but will also add overall respect around the league. His play, when he was even on the field, didn't warrant the pro-bowl. Name recognition..and reputation.
SmilinAssasSin27
01-23-2008, 09:15 AM
And so it begins...
Italianmobstr7
01-23-2008, 12:51 PM
And so it begins...
I hate when Jcutty or Jwalk speaks his mind too, but in this case it's his opinion. It's quite obvious that his bashing of Lynch will not stop. Every thread that there is something about Lynch in, there will be some comment about how Jwalk thinks that he's washed up or a bad player, when in reality he's not that bad. He had a bad year, he's a little older, and he's not great against the pass. But he does bring intelligence, intangibles, and a great ability to stop the run. Bottom line is that the Denver Broncos are a BETTER football team with John Lynch on the roster.
SmilinAssasSin27
01-23-2008, 01:03 PM
Yer the second person to say Denver's better when he's on the "roster". Noone mentions the actual field.
Lynch wasn't even mildly deserving of this... If you didn't know he was injured, you'd be hard pressed to justify his roster spot. I can think of at least 5 other AFC safeties that I would have given the nod over Lynch and 2 of them are rookies.
I think John's had a great career, but I think this was his worst season as a Bronco by far and I think the Broncos would benefit from some more youthful legs at that position.
jrelway
01-23-2008, 02:14 PM
im glad lynch got in the probowl, but it just goes to show you that its all a popularity contest for the probowl. Lynch has not done anything this year to get in.
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 02:33 PM
im glad lynch got in the probowl, but it just goes to show you that its all a popularity contest for the probowl. Lynch has not done anything this year to get in.
No BS/ Lol this is a joke lynch makin tha P/B shows how silly it is
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01-23-2008, 02:35 PM
Once again, alternates are chosen by coaches. I don't envision coaches as a
bunch of wild-eyed groupies that go for the most recognizable name. I am
also aware that Shanny has asked Lynch to come back. Were he over the hill
and a has-been, as some think, I don't think either of these events would
have happened.
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Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 02:38 PM
Liability allllllllday/ just retire Lynch
I hate when Jcutty or Jwalk speaks his mind too, but in this case it's his opinion. It's quite obvious that his bashing of Lynch will not stop. Every thread that there is something about Lynch in, there will be some comment about how Jwalk thinks that he's washed up or a bad player, when in reality he's not that bad. He had a bad year, he's a little older, and he's not great against the pass. But he does bring intelligence, intangibles, and a great ability to stop the run. Bottom line is that the Denver Broncos are a BETTER football team with John Lynch on the roster.
I disagree...
Even when completely healthy and on his game, Lynch was a liability in the passing game... This year, not only was he a liability in the passing game, he was a non-factor stopping the run. I guess you can give him a pass because he was injured, but at this late stage in his career, why not just accept reality and move on? He's not getting any younger, the trend seems to be headed downward-- let's get some more youthful legs at that position.
The guy is a great locker room leader, no doubt... But at what point does his play on the field outweigh his intangibles?
Once again, alternates are chosen by coaches. I don't envision coaches as a
bunch of wild-eyed groupies that go for the most recognizable name. I am
also aware that Shanny has asked Lynch to come back. Were he over the hill
and a has-been, as some think, I don't think either of these events would
have happened.
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No, but Shanahan also realizes that he has major holes to fill at DL, OL and LB... If Travis Henry leaves town, you can add RB to that equation... I think Shanahan would like Lynch to stick around for another year as more of a stop-gap than anything... Ferguson is on his way out, so he probably doesn't want to stick 2 greenhorns back there either...
Granted-- If Shanny didn't think Lynch could play, he wouldn't have him back... So you've got a valid point there-- But I do think Lynch's play has declined and if Lynch wasn't the character guy that he is, and didn't bring all these other intangibles to the table-- he would be dismissed.
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 03:12 PM
I disagree...
Even when completely healthy and on his game, Lynch was a liability in the passing game... This year, not only was he a liability in the passing game, he was a non-factor stopping the run. I guess you can give him a pass because he was injured, but at this late stage in his career, why not just accept reality and move on? He's not getting any younger, the trend seems to be headed downward-- let's get some more youthful legs at that position.
The guy is a great locker room leader, no doubt... But at what point does his play on the field outweigh his intangibles?
Co-Signed^^ Lynch is not even a factor vs tha run anymore
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 03:14 PM
I hate when Jcutty or Jwalk speaks his mind too, but in this case it's his opinion. It's quite obvious that his bashing of Lynch will not stop. Every thread that there is something about Lynch in, there will be some comment about how Jwalk thinks that he's washed up or a bad player, when in reality he's not that bad. He had a bad year, he's a little older, and he's not great against the pass. But he does bring intelligence, intangibles, and a great ability to stop the run. Bottom line is that the Denver Broncos are a BETTER football team with John Lynch on the roster.
:confused:
Davii
01-23-2008, 03:28 PM
Congratulations to John!
Hopefully this doesn't become his swansong game. I'd like to see Lynch in blue and orange again next year!
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 03:35 PM
No, but Shanahan also realizes that he has major holes to fill at DL, OL and LB... If Travis Henry leaves town, you can add RB to that equation... I think Shanahan would like Lynch to stick around for another year as more of a stop-gap than anything... Ferguson is on his way out, so he probably doesn't want to stick 2 greenhorns back there either...
Granted-- If Shanny didn't think Lynch could play, he wouldn't have him back... So you've got a valid point there-- But I do think Lynch's play has declined and if Lynch wasn't the character guy that he is, and didn't bring all these other intangibles to the table-- he would be dismissed.
I dont kno about that
Co-Signed^^ Lynch is not even a factor vs tha run anymore
I think that includes the entire Denver defense this year. We should just scrap em all. :coffee:
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 03:36 PM
Nate neva plays and shanny gives him a spot
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 03:37 PM
I think that includes the entire Denver defense this year. We should just scrap em all. :coffee:
Nah thats silly/ If you cant tell who is official than hayyyy
Nah thats silly/ If you cant tell who is official than hayyyy
Your point is that Lynch should be cut because he couldn't stop the run. Start the cutting...because none of the Denver Broncos defense could do that this year.
Co-Signed^^ Lynch is not even a factor vs tha run anymore
nevcraw
01-23-2008, 03:47 PM
this shows that tha pro bowl is all BS
Or - It shows that that fans on internet forums are not the skilled postion scouts or talent evaluators they think they are.
Davii
01-23-2008, 04:04 PM
Or - It shows that that fans on internet forums are not the skilled postion scouts or talent evaluators they think they are.
And it shows that because the coaches pick the alternates?
Wait. It doesn't show that at all.
Lonestar
01-23-2008, 04:25 PM
No, but Shanahan also realizes that he has major holes to fill at DL, OL and LB... If Travis Henry leaves town, you can add RB to that equation... I think Shanahan would like Lynch to stick around for another year as more of a stop-gap than anything... Ferguson is on his way out, so he probably doesn't want to stick 2 greenhorns back there either...
Granted-- If Shanny didn't think Lynch could play, he wouldn't have him back... So you've got a valid point there-- But I do think Lynch's play has declined and if Lynch wasn't the character guy that he is, and didn't bring all these other intangibles to the table-- he would be dismissed.
Is John the future at Safety? No, but until they have someone better to play the position and that includes rookies they may draft and they are better on the field than John is. Mikey will indeed play him..
Players contribute more than just making tackles, they show leadership, make sure that players get the correct Calls.
When John was off the field due to injury this year the defense was MUCH worse than it was when he was on the field. Players were out of position the DBfield was not in tune.
For the year the defense averaged 336 total yards 193 passing and 142 rushing
The games that John did not play with a one KC game just 4 week later he did play in
Average 336 193 142
Game Total yards passing rushing
INDY 354 131 223
DET 303 256 47
KC Wk10 327 187 141
KC wk14 129 129 16 John played this week
Medford Bronco
01-23-2008, 04:29 PM
this just shows what a farce the Pro Bowl is
I love lynch but he was below average last season
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01-23-2008, 05:52 PM
What is "average"?
Anyway, Lynch was injured much of the season, and played hurt some of the
time he was on the field. But, as JR demonstrated, Lynch's (healthy) presence
did make a difference in the defense against the run.
The coaches who selected him for the Pro Bowl must have realized that.
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Lonestar
01-23-2008, 05:57 PM
What is "average"?
Anyway, Lynch was injured much of the season, and played hurt some of the
time he was on the field. But, as JR demonstrated, Lynch's (healthy) presence
did make a difference in the defense against the run.
The coaches who selected him for the Pro Bowl must have realized that.
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Sure do not understand why the hate for this quality player..
Is he what he was 8 years ago certainly not, but his prior level of play and his knowledge of the game and defense makes him a no brainer..
Trust me there are many more that need to be replaced before he does.. shall I name them..
What is "average"?
Anyway, Lynch was injured much of the season, and played hurt some of the
time he was on the field. But, as JR demonstrated, Lynch's (healthy) presence
did make a difference in the defense against the run.
The coaches who selected him for the Pro Bowl must have realized that.
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For the record-- Alternates are selected based on the ballots of players, coaches and fans... So, the coaches did have some say in this selection, but I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of Lynch's support was with the fans... Obviously that's just speculation, but if it were up to the coaches I think they would have selected someone else.
Davii
01-23-2008, 06:01 PM
Sure do not understand why the hate for this quality player..
Is he what he was 8 years ago certainly not, but his prior level of play and his knowledge of the game and defense makes him a no brainer..
Trust me there are many more that need to be replaced before he does.. shall I name them..
I hope you stretch and warm up your fingers first because it would be a lot easier to name the ones that wouldn't go first.
Sure do not understand why the hate for this quality player..
Is he what he was 8 years ago certainly not, but his prior level of play and his knowledge of the game and defense makes him a no brainer..
Trust me there are many more that need to be replaced before he does.. shall I name them..
That sort of plays into my theory-- that there are so many other holes to fill next year, Shanahan would like Lynch to stick around as a veteran stop-gap... It's one less roster spot to fill, one more veteran leader in the locker room and allows Shanny more flexibility to fill the other holes.
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01-23-2008, 06:36 PM
For the record-- Alternates are selected based on the ballots of players, coaches and fans... So, the coaches did have some say in this selection, but I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of Lynch's support was with the fans... Obviously that's just speculation, but if it were up to the coaches I think they would have selected someone else.
Well, thanks for clearing that up, regarding how alternates are selected. I'll go
ahead and take your word for it without documentation.
However, the rest of your comment, i.e., whether the coaches would have
picked someone else, seems purely guesswork on your part.
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Lonestar
01-23-2008, 06:39 PM
For the record-- Alternates are selected based on the ballots of players, coaches and fans... So, the coaches did have some say in this selection, but I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of Lynch's support was with the fans... Obviously that's just speculation, but if it were up to the coaches I think they would have selected someone else.
But since the voting is weighted to players and coaches over the fans I'd say he was more qualified than you want him to be..
However, the rest of your comment, i.e., whether the coaches would have
picked someone else, seems purely guesswork on your part.
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It usually is :D I don't deal with certainties...
But since the voting is weighted to players and coaches over the fans I'd say he was more qualified than you want him to be..
Hmmm, I don't know if that's true-- but I can't disprove it either...
As far as what I want-- I think it's great for Lynch, and I'll look forward to seeing him at the pro bowl sporting the orange n blue helmet-- but from a purely objective standpoint-- he has no business being in the pro bowl this year.
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 07:58 PM
homersssssssss
Italianmobstr7
01-23-2008, 08:24 PM
homersssssssss
NO reason for name calling. Everyone has their own opinion. Just like you have yours.
Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-23-2008, 08:48 PM
NO reason for name calling. Everyone has their own opinion. Just like you have yours.
Name callin?? Lol were all homers at times/ Some homers is in denial tho/ Callin sum1 a homer is not an insult :confused:
Stargazer
01-25-2008, 03:46 AM
Sure do not understand why the hate for this quality player..
That is easy. He's old. There is no legacy factor in regard to Lynch and the Denver Broncos. And the Broncos are clearly going in a new direction and by the time this current group comes around he will not be in the league. He is definately not part of the long-term rebuilding process.Some posters would like to accelerate the plan since he isn't going to be around when this team potentially comes a dominant force in the league.
SmilinAssasSin27
01-25-2008, 05:51 PM
No hate here for Lynch...just reality. He didn't earn the spot based on his 2007 performance.
Watchthemiddle
01-25-2008, 07:01 PM
No hate here for Lynch...just reality. He didn't earn the spot based on his 2007 performance.
You said Lynch, I am offended.
SmilinAssasSin27
01-25-2008, 07:02 PM
I won't take it back. I won't. I won't. I won't.
Lonestar
01-25-2008, 07:21 PM
No hate here for Lynch...just reality. He didn't earn the spot based on his 2007 performance.
While I have not perused the roster I'd guess that 45% of the others did not either.. Care to comment on that?
BOSSHOGG30
02-02-2008, 06:33 AM
Lynch delays decision
Broncos safety John Lynch made an appearance at the media center and, despite an earlier pronouncement that he would like to have a decision on his playing future by the Super Bowl, has pushed back the timetable until after the Pro Bowl.
"We'll see what's in my heart when I'm over there," he said.
His expectation is that cornerback Champ Bailey will make his sales pitch to have Lynch stay for a 16th NFL season. Dre Bly already has begun that process in a big way after Lynch made it to Honolulu again as an injury replacement.
"It's been hard," Lynch said of his career deliberations. "And, to be honest, I've talked to a lot of people who've been through this before, and they've said don't set a date. It's like when you're going to marry the girl, you'll know. And I don't know yet. I thought by Super Bowl . . . things would be clear, but they haven't been. But I've promised the organization and myself I won't let this drag on and on."
SmilinAssasSin27
02-02-2008, 09:03 AM
While I have not perused the roster I'd guess that 45% of the others did not either.. Care to comment on that?
Yes...don't waste my time with your "guesses." When you have actual names, get back with me.
Lonestar
02-02-2008, 07:30 PM
Yes...don't waste my time with your "guesses." When you have actual names, get back with me.
Well just looked at the rosters and you may be correct..
But John would not be going if the coaches did not think he was the best one to replace palamalu.
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