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Town Hall Discussion: Separate adult, almost anything goes, forum
The advisory board twice discussed the pros and cons of a forum of this type. It would be a forum where there would be more freedom in terms of language and joking. It is not possible for vBulletin to selectively censor/filter forums, so the word filter would exist even in this forum.
So the forum might:
Not allow nudity or sexually graphic images (images of people having sex), but most other images could be allowed.
Jokes and phrases that would be censored or considered off color in other forums, would be allowed.
Going around the language filter by intentionally misspelling a word, for instance, might be allowed in this forum.
While hard core sexually explicit material would still not be allowed (ala stuff in alt.sex… usenet groups), there would be far more leeway in terms of allowing leeway to make sexual references and jokes, but still stop short of allowing porn novellas.
Where the other forums are currently being held to an “allowed on Primetime Network TV” standard, this forum could be more along the lines of an “R” rated forum (with the exception of no nudity).
Personal attacks and flame wars would still be moderated, but there would be a less of a ‘hair trigger’ in determining what is an attack vs. what is just ‘messing’ with someone or jokes/smack talk amongst friends.
People would be required to take some proactive step to ‘join’ this forum/subforum, and in doing so, they would be agreeing they are over 18 and may find some material offensive (this will be determined by what can reasonably be setup in vBulletin and not take any, or much, manual involvement on my part or any others).
People that abuse the forum (whether by overt complaining about the looser rules, or by taking the ‘you gave me an inch, so I am going to take a mile’ attitude), would be removed from being access that particular forum.
Everyone would need to have the discipline to ONLY post with the looser standards in this member’s only forum, and understand that saying, “oops, I thought I was in the _____ forum where it was allowed” will not be an excuse for breaking the rules in other forums.
Ok, so that is something that we had been bouncing around. Let’s talk about the pros and cons of this, and if it is going to be done, what the limitations should be on such a forum.
One potential problem of a forum like this is that it could draw a lot of traffic away from "what's on your mind" and this new forum would be come the main chit/chat area for most people.
schnooks1
01-19-2008, 02:47 PM
I wonder if there is a way to not allow 'guests' or those traveling the board incognito to get into the forum. I think it is a fair solution to the "problems" but for the sake of the mods only those signed in with visible names should be allowed to enter.
Day1BroncoFan
01-19-2008, 02:51 PM
I think this is an excellent idea. As long as the rules actually start being enforced in the rest of the forum this would give all those that want to cuss a place to do it and no excuses to do it other places.
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 02:53 PM
I wonder if there is a way to not allow 'guests' or those traveling the board incognito to get into the forum. I think it is a fair solution to the "problems" but for the sake of the mods only those signed in with visible names should be allowed to enter.
This would definately keep out the 'guests'... but I don't see why the 'invisible' members wouldn't be allowed. :confused:
DallasChief
01-19-2008, 02:54 PM
I think it will eliminate most the traffic in the "What's On Your Mind" forum.
It doesn't matter to me. I'll conform to anything.
I wonder if there is a way to not allow 'guests' or those traveling the board incognito to get into the forum. I think it is a fair solution to the "problems" but for the sake of the mods only those signed in with visible names should be allowed to enter.
The forum would be setup so that you had to be signed in to see it, and you had to have taken a proactive action to gain access to that forum.
I am going to work on the mechanics of it today, and once I do, will create a demo forum to show hoe the 'join' would work. But essentially, it will be something like:
When you try and view that forum, it will say, "only members of 'over 18 user group' can view this forum. Would you like to join this user group?" or something like that. And only after you join that "over 18 group" (or whatever it winds up being called) will you be able to view the new forum
Anyone can choose not to join that group, and as I understand it (I have to test this), no posts from that forum will show up on new posts (for those that didn't join the group), and they will not be able to enter the forum without joining the group (possibly not even see the forum, without joining the group).
It is also possilbe (not sure if it's possible or if we would want it) that there could be a requirement of x posts by a poster before s/he can join the 'adult' user group.
schnooks1
01-19-2008, 02:56 PM
This would definately keep out the 'guests'... but I don't see why the 'invisible' members wouldn't be allowed. :confused:
Well I just meant to stop those that are under 18 from getting in by traveling invisible. No other reason.
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 02:56 PM
One potential problem of a forum like this is that it could draw a lot of traffic away from "what's on your mind" and this new forum would be come the main chit/chat area for most people.
It would divide the members into the ones that want looser rules and ones that wouldn't... *shrug*
Town Hall Discussion: Separate adult, almost anything goes, forum
The advisory board twice discussed the pros and cons of a forum of this type. It would be a forum where there would be more freedom in terms of language and joking. It is not possible for vBulletin to selectively censor/filter forums, so the word filter would exist even in this forum.
So the forum might:
Not allow nudity or sexually graphic images (images of people having sex), but most other images could be allowed.
Jokes and phrases that would be censored or considered off color in other forums, would be allowed.
Going around the language filter by intentionally misspelling a word, for instance, might be allowed in this forum.
While hard core sexually explicit material would still not be allowed (ala stuff in alt.sex… usenet groups), there would be far more leeway in terms of allowing leeway to make sexual references and jokes, but still stop short of allowing porn novellas.
Where the other forums are currently being held to an “allowed on Primetime Network TV” standard, this forum (with the exception of nudity) could be more along the lines of an “R” rated forum.
Personal attacks and flame wars would still be moderated, but there would be a less of a ‘hair trigger’ in determining what is an attack vs. what is just ‘messing’ with someone or jokes/smack talk amongst friends.
People would be required to take some proactive step to ‘join’ this forum/subforum, and in doing so, they would be agreeing they are over 18 and may find some material offensive (this will be determined by what can reasonably be setup in vBulletin and not take any, or much, manual involvement on my part or any others).
People that abuse the forum (whether by overt complaining about the looser rules, or by taking the ‘you gave me an inch, so I am going to take a mile’ attitude), would be removed from being access that particular forum.
Everyone would need to have the discipline to ONLY post with the looser standards in this member’s only forum, and understand that saying, “oops, I thought I was in the _____ forum where it was allowed” will not be an excuse for breaking the rules in other forums.
Ok, so that is something that we had been bouncing around. Let’s talk about the pros and cons of this, and if it is going to be done, what the limitations should be on such a forum.
Images of people having sex...dang Tned...what do you have going on here:eek:
I want to be able to gain access to this...I may learn something new!:D
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 03:00 PM
It is also possilbe (not sure if it's possible or if we would want it) that there could be a requirement of x posts by a poster before s/he can join the 'adult' user group.
If this forum were to come to fruition, I think that would be a good idea. :salute:
schnooks1
01-19-2008, 03:00 PM
The forum would be setup so that you had to be signed in to see it, and you had to have taken a proactive action to gain access to that forum.
I am going to work on the mechanics of it today, and once I do, will create a demo forum to show hoe the 'join' would work. But essentially, it will be something like:
When you try and view that forum, it will say, "only members of 'over 18 user group' can view this forum. Would you like to join this user group?" or something like that. And only after you join that "over 18 group" (or whatever it winds up being called) will you be able to view the new forum
Anyone can choose not to join that group, and as I understand it (I have to test this), no posts from that forum will show up on new posts (for those that didn't join the group), and they will not be able to enter the forum without joining the group (possibly not even see the forum, without joining the group).
It is also possilbe (not sure if it's possible or if we would want it) that there could be a requirement of x posts by a poster before s/he can join the 'adult' user group.
Geeze my head hurts thinking about all the stuff you must have in your head!! If you can work all of this out, I think it should please those that need to have that kind of forum for sure!! You are very cool trying to please so many!!
I personally won't use the forum.. but I will be happy when all of this gets settled for your sake!
Oh by the way.. Thanks Tned for all that you do!:D:beer:
Day1BroncoFan
01-19-2008, 03:01 PM
It would divide the members into the ones that want looser rules and ones that wouldn't... *shrug*
This already exists. There is only one forum "area" to post in though.
It would divide the members into the ones that want looser rules and ones that wouldn't... *shrug*
The divide already exists, but will allow both groups to have a 'chit/chat' aread they are happy with, rather than having a middle ground that displeases many.
Well I just meant to stop those that are under 18 from getting in by traveling invisible. No other reason.
One, I don't think that will be a setting that is possible. I think the only option would be to turn off invisiblity completely (I will check though). Also, I don't think it will stop any under age people. Since this is the internet, without doing some type of age verification (which are flawed, not to mention manually intensive -- faxed in copies of drivers licenses for instance), there is no way to keep children from certain areas. If we knew that xxxx member was under 18 and don't allow him/her, all that person has to do is create a new forum account, join the 'adult' user group, pretend to be an adult and start viewing the forum.
However, the forum cannot be such a free-for-all that it would be considered a pornagraphic or adult site that would require age checks, because I want no part of running such a forum.
If this forum were to come to fruition, I think that would be a good idea. :salute:
DAMN...I best get to posting!:tsk:
Seriously tho...Tned....you are going out on a limb here...and it is
appreciated.
DAMN...I best get to posting!:tsk:
I think we are going to be suspicious when we see the new user KCWoman, quickly trying to her post count up ;)
Seriously tho...Tned....you are going out on a limb here...and it is
appreciated.
Thanks, but it really just goes along the lines of trying to create a community that fits is in line with the community at large. In this area, there is a clear divide and no real good middle ground that will keep the 80% happy, so the solution (not originally, or subsequantly proposed by me) seems to be an 'adult' forum, but with some restrictions/limitations on what 'adult' means.
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 03:07 PM
This already exists. There is only one forum "area" to post in though.
Right... but right now, they're getting used to each other and (hopefully) adapting and trying to 'assimilate'. It's not a simple process... but good for the board in the long run.
A seperate forum could segregate them further so they never interact. I like to interact with everyone, so I view that as a possible negative. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen... just that it's a negative, and possibly unhealthy for a community.
On the other hand, having this forum would appease just about everyone, I think.
This would definately keep out the 'guests'... but I don't see why the 'invisible' members wouldn't be allowed. :confused:
She doesn't think the mods can see who's in the forum, when it's only fellow members who cannot see who is in the forum. I think? :confused:
I think we are going to be suspicious when we see the new user KCWoman, quickly trying to her post count up ;)
well if I am not allowed in...I will just have to hack your site...:laugh:
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 03:09 PM
She doesn't think the mods can see who's in the forum, when it's only fellow members who cannot see who is in the forum. I think? :confused:
lol... yeah... I got it, but Tned already answered the question.
Teh Mods know all. :ninja:
schnooks1
01-19-2008, 03:10 PM
She doesn't think the mods can see who's in the forum, when it's only fellow members who cannot see who is in the forum. I think? :confused:
That is right she thinks that!
Right... but right now, they're getting used to each other and (hopefully) adapting and trying to 'assimilate'. It's not a simple process... but good for the board in the long run.
A seperate forum could segregate them further so they never interact. I like to interact with everyone, so I view that as a possible negative. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen... just that it's a negative, and possibly unhealthy for a community.
On the other hand, having this forum would appease just about everyone, I think.
LT....Get these going on the other board and I will quickly become an
active member again...think you can talk Steve into it?;)
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 03:13 PM
LT....Get these going on the other board and I will quickly become an
active member again...think you can talk Steve into it?;)
It's called the moderator forum :salute:
She doesn't think the mods can see who's in the forum, when it's only fellow members who cannot see who is in the forum. I think? :confused:
Currently mods cannot see 'invisible' people, but I am planning on changing that when I get a chance. Currently, only I, as admin, can see invisible people.
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 03:16 PM
I have mixed emotions about this idea.
It seems like there are decisions and adjustments being made to this site and we have all lost site of the reasons this site is here. The Broncos.
I am all for having fun, flirting, risque talk...etc. But I don't want this board to get to the point of 75% of the people coming here to just join or be apart of this "other" forum.
If people want this and only want this and don't really contribute to the #1 reason this board was created then they are coming to the wrong place to chat and coming here for the wrong reasons.
That said I like to contribute to all conversations so its okay with me.
:2cents:
frauschieze
01-19-2008, 03:17 PM
This place makes me think too much. :tsk:
It's a good idea, but the idea of solidifying the division between us doesn't sit well with me at the moment.
I need to think on this one.....
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 03:17 PM
Currently mods cannot see 'invisible' people, but I am planning on changing that when I get a chance. Currently, only I, as admin, can see invisible people.
So can you see dead people? :confused:
frauschieze
01-19-2008, 03:17 PM
Currently mods cannot see 'invisible' people, but I am planning on changing that when I get a chance. Currently, only I, as admin, can see invisible people.
You see invisible people? Like in Sixth Sense?
Creepy.
DallasChief
01-19-2008, 03:19 PM
I didn't realize there was still division between us. KCLady and I get along great. And SeeingRed is already my 2nd BFF.
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 03:21 PM
Currently mods cannot see 'invisible' people, but I am planning on changing that when I get a chance. Currently, only I, as admin, can see invisible people.
Oh...
Ok...
Your mods aren't :ninja:.
:laugh:
This place makes me think too much. :tsk:
It's a good idea, but the idea of solidifying the division between us doesn't sit well with me at the moment.
I need to think on this one.....
I would be willing to bet that you don't have to think too
much about it...:D
Images of people having sex...dang Tned...what do you have going on here:eek:
I want to be able to gain access to this...I may learn something new!:D
Oh really? :confused:
I was absolutely naive before I met you, KCLady.
:pop2:
This is a good step in the right direction.
However, let's not kid ourselves....there will be continued complaining "it's never enough". :lol:
I didn't realize there was still division between us. KCLady and I get along great. And SeeingRed is already my 2nd BFF.
I agree...we need more Chiefs fans here...currently there are only 3...
this place needs some balance!:D
This place makes me think too much. :tsk:
It's a good idea, but the idea of solidifying the division between us doesn't sit well with me at the moment.
I need to think on this one.....
These are good points, and why we need to discuss, and not just do. As I see it, there are three options:
Do nothing, strictly enforce the rules, which will please the more conservative amongst us, but will displease those that feel that this message board is primarily made up of adult football fans, and they shouldn't have to constantly worry about offending the people that want a G rated forum.
Modify the rules, to allow more of anything goes message board wide, or just in "What's on your mind". This iwll please many members that think we are too prudish, but upset the many members that like the 'clean, family' environment we previously had.
Divide the chit/chat area so there is one that is G/PG and one that allows much more, and then leave all other parts of the message board (Broncos Talk, P&R, etc.) strictly moderated with very little leeway for language of an 'adult' nature.
There are probably other options, but that's how I see it.
Right now, we are pissing off both groups, those that think it should be G rated and those that think it should be R rated, so we are somewhere btween the first and second option above.
Oh really? :confused:
I was absolutely naive before I met you, KCLady.
:pop2:
hey no reason not to expand the mind and get more
knowledgeable!:lol:
schnooks1
01-19-2008, 03:23 PM
This is a good step in the right direction.
However, let's not kid ourselves....there will be continued complaining "it's never enough". :lol:
Can never please all the people!!
Oh really? :confused:
I was absolutely naive before I met you, KCLady.
:pop2:
Then I would think you would be in favor of this...:D
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 03:25 PM
I agree...we need more Chiefs fans here...currently there are only 3...
this place needs some balance!:D
Thats 3 too many...;)
Thats 3 too many...;)
:eviltongue:
Thats 3 too many...;)
I'm impressed...another "touche". You are in rare form WTM. :D
I'm impressed...another "touche". You are in rare form WTM. :D
he is rare alright...almost a little too bloody!
Then I would think you would be in favor of this...:D
As a perceived moralist, I'm still learning a lot. ;)
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 03:29 PM
I guess if that's what we have to do to be able to talk like adults, that's fine. I'm not a vulgar person. I am not an offensive person, but I feel that there are some seriously over-sensitive people on this board, and I tend to believe it's the minority, not the majority. I guess, if this somehow fixes the problem, then fine. I think the idea of this utopian football site where no one uses a "curse" word (oh, the horror) and where everyone is G-rated is a farce.
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 03:29 PM
he is rare alright...almost a little too bloody!
Post reported..neg rep
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 03:29 PM
Right now, we are pissing off both groups, those that think it should be G rated and those that think it should be R rated, so we are somewhere btween the first and second option above.
I think 'pissing off' might be the wrong phrase. I think people are slowly adjusting... although again, you can't please everyone.
Some of the members that asked for the loosest rules here regarding profanity, I had no idea on the other forums... because they were already acclimated.
*shrug*
I guess if that's what we have to do to be able to talk like adults, that's fine. I'm not a vulgar person. I am not an offensive person, but I feel that there are some seriously over-sensitive people on this board, and I tend to believe it's the minority, not the majority. I guess, if this somehow fixes the problem, then fine. I think the idea of this utopian football site where no one uses a "curse" word (oh, the horror) and where everyone is G-rated is a farce.
I don't believe this has anything to do with talking like adults.
I have mixed emotions about this idea.
It seems like there are decisions and adjustments being made to this site and we have all lost site of the reasons this site is here. The Broncos.
I am all for having fun, flirting, risque talk...etc. But I don't want this board to get to the point of 75% of the people coming here to just join or be apart of this "other" forum.
If people want this and only want this and don't really contribute to the #1 reason this board was created then they are coming to the wrong place to chat and coming here for the wrong reasons.
You know, I used to feel the same way on Broncomania. KCL, Jody and Kap (among others) could recount the horrors of our CP debates, about how the CP brothel completely ruined the system, etc.
What I always looked at was that BM was a football forum, so CP should be given to football posts that contribute to football discussion. However, while I never gave in or agreed that giving CP for stringing 4 smilies together in an "I love you" thread was CP worthy, I did come to realize that a lot of people either only came to the forum to chit/chat, or enjoyed that as much, or a bit more, than talking football.
Over time, I came to realize that it doesn't matter. Meaning, that it doesn't matter if we have people that only post in What's on your mind/ABF/Lounge or P&R, because... Well, just because. What does it matter. If we have people that come here only to chit/chat, then that will add to the chit/chat. If we have people that come for the football talk, that will add to the football talk.
This is a good step in the right direction.
However, let's not kid ourselves....there will be continued complaining "it's never enough". :lol:
Correct, but IMO, we need to have a 'living message board' (ala, living document) that changes and evolves over time, rather than create one set of rules for a forum that were set when the board was a week old, primarily just create a borncomania with a blue background (no offense LT ;)).
So, whether we have a different set of rules for What's on your mind or smack, or we have 'specialty' forums, I think we, as a community, need to talk through these issues and try and come up with compromises that allow the most members to enjoy the forum as possible.
Hey, someone please send coach a PM to make sure he is 'invited' to this Town Hall discussion ;)
schnooks1
01-19-2008, 03:34 PM
As a perceived moralist, I'm still learning a lot. ;)
I'm sorry I thought that was your middle name? :shocked:
Tned...you owe me an apology...:D
Hey, someone please send coach a PM to make sure he is 'invited' to this Town Hall discussion ;)
Oh I am sure it'll be the first thing he smells when he logs on...:D
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 03:36 PM
I don't believe this has anything to do with talking like adults.
I feel like I'm in grade school...Niner made a joke about me, over something out of Men's Health, a widely read magazine. It was deemed offensive and deleted. This is deleted, and we're told that this is completely immature behavior, while half-naked pictures of men are allowed in this other Franchise thread, or whatever its called...that folks, is called a double standard.
Tned...you owe me an apology...:D
Why? Was it YOU that strung four hearts together and received a CP? :lol:
I wouldn't be surprised. :D
I feel like I'm in grade school...Niner made a joke about me, over something out of Men's Health, a widely read magazine. It was deemed offensive and deleted. This is deleted, and we're told that this is completely immature behavior, while half-naked pictures of men are allowed in this other Franchise thread, or whatever its called...that folks, is called a double standard.
you mean your not?
I guess if that's what we have to do to be able to talk like adults, that's fine. I'm not a vulgar person. I am not an offensive person, but I feel that there are some seriously over-sensitive people on this board, and I tend to believe it's the minority, not the majority. I guess, if this somehow fixes the problem, then fine. I think the idea of this utopian football site where no one uses a "curse" word (oh, the horror) and where everyone is G-rated is a farce.
Based on Town Hall Discussions up to this point, they have not represented the minority, or as they are often referred to, "a few people with thin skins or easily offended". Instead, a large number of our members don't believe the cursing and sexual comments are needed.
Again, that is simply based on participation in previous Town Hall discussions.
Tned...you owe me an apology...:D
I'm sorry.
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 03:38 PM
Tned, I think if this is made, you need more mods.
I will designate myself to be the mod in this new forum. :salute:
Why? Was it YOU that strung four hearts together and received a CP? :lol:
I wouldn't be surprised. :D
no it was only 2 hearts....:lol:
I feel like I'm in grade school...Niner made a joke about me, over something out of Men's Health, a widely read magazine. It was deemed offensive and deleted. This is deleted, and we're told that this is completely immature behavior, while half-naked pictures of men are allowed in this other Franchise thread, or whatever its called...that folks, is called a double standard.
That's called "Make another thread" :lol:
Based on Town Hall Discussions up to this point, they have not represented the minority, or as they are often referred to, "a few people with thin skins or easily offended". Instead, a large number of our members don't believe the cursing and sexual comments are needed.
Again, that is simply based on participation in previous Town Hall discussions.
I'm sorry.
Okay...:D
Tned, I think if this is made, you need more mods.
I will designate myself to be the mod in this new forum. :salute:
OMG....And I thought I had heard it all....:rolleyes:
I'm sorry I thought that was your middle name? :shocked:
*sniffle*.....kleenx please. :help:
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 03:41 PM
I feel like I'm in grade school...Niner made a joke about me, over something out of Men's Health, a widely read magazine. It was deemed offensive and deleted. This is deleted, and we're told that this is completely immature behavior, while half-naked pictures of men are allowed in this other Franchise thread, or whatever its called...that folks, is called a double standard.
Thats the kind of stuff that ticks me off and does when it comes to message boards.
The thread was started by you...it was fun, we all joked around and if someone wants to poke their nosey nose in it and become offended by something then they should mind their own business and stay out of the thread. But, that would be too easy.
Oh...
Ok...
Your mods aren't :ninja:.
:laugh:
Oh great! Stalkersstophereforum.com
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 03:42 PM
Another thing that ticks me off is when there are only about 10 of us who contribute to this thread and threads like it, but those who want to whine about any rule changes, forum protocols, offensive language..etc. NEver once did the whiners contribute to the conversation.
okay, I will cool off now...two ranting threads in a row.
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 03:43 PM
Thats the kind of stuff that ticks me off and does when it comes to message boards.
The thread was started by you...it was fun, we all joked around and if someone wants to poke their nosey nose in it and become offended by something then they should mind their own business and stay out of the thread. But, that would be too easy.
No one posting in the thread over the course of the seven hours before I got home and when I went to bed was offended by anything said, including the deleted comments. Why...because they weren't personal attacks, and we're adults.
Another thing that ticks me off is when there are only about 10 of us who contribute to this thread and threads like it, but those who want to whine about any rule changes, forum protocols, offensive language..etc. NEver once did the whiners contribute to the conversation.
okay, I will cool off now...two ranting threads in a row.
No kidding....STOP...Your getting on my last nerve...:D
DallasChief
01-19-2008, 03:45 PM
Another thing that ticks me off is when there are only about 10 of us who contribute to this thread and threads like it, but those who want to whine about any rule changes, forum protocols, offensive language..etc. NEver once did the whiners contribute to the conversation.
okay, I will cool off now...two ranting threads in a row.
Well, WTM, this thread is only about an hour old and not everyone is online. Perhaps the whiners will show up later.
Now, go sop up some water. :beer:
I feel like I'm in grade school...Niner made a joke about me, over something out of Men's Health, a widely read magazine. It was deemed offensive and deleted. This is deleted, and we're told that this is completely immature behavior, while half-naked pictures of men are allowed in this other Franchise thread, or whatever its called...that folks, is called a double standard.
No, not a double standard, but a standard. We allow pictures of scantily clad women.
As I said, right now, our standart that the mods are supposed to use is "if the FCC allows it on network primtetime TV, then it is allowed here, of the FCC doesn't allow it on network TV, then it isn't allowed here".
That post of niner's was probably borderline using this "FCC" yardstick. I can't remember instances where masturbation has been discussed on TV shows. Typically, they use Euphemisms to get the same point across, from what I remember.
However, this is only ONE example. There have been many others. Many members, new and old, are complaining about us being too strict, especially in the chit/chat area. Those that want looser standards say the other people that don't want curses/sexual comments should stop being uptight, those opposing it say that the foul mouthed people should show more respect...
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OMG....And I thought I had heard it all....:rolleyes:
Is he gong to ban himself :confused:, we all know it's just a matter of time ;)
It's absolutely "HILLARIOUS" that The What's on Your Mind forum is now IN THE LEAD for controversy. Has our P&R become so dull? :lol:
Nobody better complain about my avy again...its very mild compared to
some of the pix of women that I have seen posted and I havent complained.
DallasChief
01-19-2008, 03:50 PM
I've got a lot of respect for tned for trying to make everyone happy.
If it was me, I'd be "If you don't like it here, leave. Have a nice day. Or don't. Who cares?"
Good luck, tned.
Nobody better complain about my avy again...its very mild compared to
some of the pix of women that I have seen posted and I havent complained.
And being a breast-woman, I have NO COMPLAINTS about your avy. :D
Is he gong to ban himself :confused:, we all know it's just a matter of time ;)
Put him in charge of the new forum and he will decorate it with
pictures of (0) (0)....:laugh:
It's absolutely "HILLARIOUS" that The What's on Your Mind forum is now IN THE LEAD for controversy. Has our P&R become so dull? :lol:
No kidding Jody...on Mania...thats where the majority of the bannings
came from...:laugh:
Another thing that ticks me off is when there are only about 10 of us who contribute to this thread and threads like it, but those who want to whine about any rule changes, forum protocols, offensive language..etc. NEver once did the whiners contribute to the conversation.
okay, I will cool off now...two ranting threads in a row.
I agree. I created a thread with a link here in "What's on your mind" and hopefully over the next few days, we will get plenty of input.
Thats the kind of stuff that ticks me off and does when it comes to message boards.
The thread was started by you...it was fun, we all joked around and if someone wants to poke their nosey nose in it and become offended by something then they should mind their own business and stay out of the thread. But, that would be too easy.
No one posting in the thread over the course of the seven hours before I got home and when I went to bed was offended by anything said, including the deleted comments. Why...because they weren't personal attacks, and we're adults.
The problem is that the thread still shows up in "new posts" and often just reading the title doesn't indicate someone is about to read something they find offensive.
For instance, I KNOW that I will likely get ticked off if I go into religion threads, so I avoid the forum completely. However, if all of a sudden I was participating in the Cafe thread or the "no subject" thread, and someone started pushing their view of religion on me, or telling me that my drinking was morally wrong, or whatever, I would get pissed about it.
That might not be the best example, but right now threads are all over the place in "What's on your mind/lounge" and people can go into a thread expecting one thing and then the thread turns into a series of sexual inuendos and the such, that some might find offensive.
And being a breast-woman, I have NO COMPLAINTS about your avy. :D
hey those are nice breasts he is sporting...and (oh I better stop) :D
are men's called breast?:confused:
No kidding Jody...on Mania...thats where the majority of the bannings
came from...:laugh:
Oh, you forgot about our long lost QB...
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 03:54 PM
Well, WTM, this thread is only about an hour old and not everyone is online. Perhaps the whiners will show up later.
Now, go sop up some water. :beer:
Oh, its not only this thread, but all the townhall discussion threads.
Will you help me sop up some water? I hear you are good at sopping "insert offensive joke here". :cool:
Jody...stop jacking the thread...bad girl...:tsk:
Oh, you forgot about our long lost QB...
Oh No! Shhhhhhhhhh......we don't want that to start up in this thread.
*tip toes out of the room, very quietly* :D
Oh, you forgot about our long lost QB...
Mr. Plummer? Yes there was the Jake wars!;):rolleyes:
DallasChief
01-19-2008, 03:57 PM
Oh, its not only this thread, but all the townhall discussion threads.
Will you help me sop up some water? I hear you are good at sopping "insert offensive joke here". :cool:
I'll be right over to help. Hold your breath.
Oh, its not only this thread, but all the townhall discussion threads.
Will you help me sop up some water? I hear you are good at sopping "insert offensive joke here". :cool:
Agreed. In general, this is like presidential elections. You get nearly 100% of the people that have an opinion, but only a fraction of that many that are willing to put their money where their mouth is and participate in the process, whether it be the general election, the primaries or other aspects of the election process.
Oh, its not only this thread, but all the townhall discussion threads.
Will you help me sop up some water? I hear you are good at sopping "insert offensive joke here". :cool:
WTM, do you need a hug or a back rub? :D
Agreed. In general, this is like presidential elections. You get nearly 100% of the people that have an opinion, but only a fraction of that many that are willing to put their money where their mouth is and participate in the process, whether it be the general election, the primaries or other aspects of the election process.
That's frustrating in every aspect of life though. They are 'everywhere'.
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 04:00 PM
WTM, do you need a hug or a back rub? :D
Thought you'd never ask. :kiss:
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 04:01 PM
I'll be right over to help. Hold your breath.
:faint:
WTM, do you need a hug or a back rub? :D
I have dibs on the rub...back rub that is...and Jody you
can have his front...well on second that...I want the hug too.:D
Thought you'd never ask. :kiss:
So....when we all get done arguing and bashing each other, we can make up? ;) Like you said last night, that's worth the :fight: :date:
I have dibs on the rub...back rub that is...and Jody you
can have his front...well on second that...I want the hug too.:D
KC - It's essential to fight first and THEN the back rub.
I think we should take a moment out and debate this particular post.
Clarification please: Do you want a hug from me or WTM? Be very careful.;)
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 04:05 PM
So....when we all get done arguing and bashing each other, we can make up? ;) Like you said last night, that's worth the :fight: :date:
Deal. :five:
Deal. :five:
Deal it is. :kiss:
Sometimes, there's just nothing better than a good argument.
frauschieze
01-19-2008, 04:08 PM
I would be willing to bet that you don't have to think too
much about it...:D
I can see how you'd think that.....I do think that an adult forum would be right up my alley, what with my mind in the gutter so much. :laugh:
But the reason I was so upset the Freak is leaving was not the loss of a football message board, but the loss of the community. There is segregation de facto here, I'm not fond of it but I do realize it will take time to integrate. My concern is that implimenting an adult forum too soon may ruin, or at least prolong, the 'gelling' of the board.
KC - It's essential to fight first and THEN the back rub.
I think we should take a moment out and debate this particular post.
Clarification please: Do you want a hug from me or WTM? Be very careful.;)
I don't need to fight first...well I like you and all Jody but I would
rather have a man's arms wrapped around me.:D:beer:
I don't need to fight first...well I like you and all Jody but I would
rather have a man's arms wrapped around me.:D:beer:
Thank YOU for that clarification. "At ease" Jody.:coffee:
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 04:10 PM
You know, I used to feel the same way on Broncomania. KCL, Jody and Kap (among others) could recount the horrors of our CP debates, about how the CP brothel completely ruined the system, etc.
What I always looked at was that BM was a football forum, so CP should be given to football posts that contribute to football discussion. However, while I never gave in or agreed that giving CP for stringing 4 smilies together in an "I love you" thread was CP worthy, I did come to realize that a lot of people either only came to the forum to chit/chat, or enjoyed that as much, or a bit more, than talking football.
Over time, I came to realize that it doesn't matter. Meaning, that it doesn't matter if we have people that only post in What's on your mind/ABF/Lounge or P&R, because... Well, just because. What does it matter. If we have people that come here only to chit/chat, then that will add to the chit/chat. If we have people that come for the football talk, that will add to the football talk.
Correct, but IMO, we need to have a 'living message board' (ala, living document) that changes and evolves over time, rather than create one set of rules for a forum that were set when the board was a week old, primarily just create a borncomania with a blue background (no offense LT ;)).
So, whether we have a different set of rules for What's on your mind or smack, or we have 'specialty' forums, I think we, as a community, need to talk through these issues and try and come up with compromises that allow the most members to enjoy the forum as possible.
No offense taken.
Members who post more in an ABF type forum aren't necessarily only there for that. I'm guilty of that here and on Mania... but I read ALOT of the football discussion.
I can see how you'd think that.....I do think that an adult forum would be right up my alley, what with my mind in the gutter so much. :laugh:
But the reason I was so upset the Freak is leaving was not the loss of a football message board, but the loss of the community. There is segregation de facto here, I'm not fond of it but I do realize it will take time to integrate. My concern is that implimenting an adult forum too soon may ruin, or at least prolong, the 'gelling' of the board.
You are wise beyond your years. :salute:
(maybe? lol)
I can see how you'd think that.....I do think that an adult forum would be right up my alley, what with my mind in the gutter so much. :laugh:
But the reason I was so upset the Freak is leaving was not the loss of a football message board, but the loss of the community. There is segregation de facto here, I'm not fond of it but I do realize it will take time to integrate. My concern is that implimenting an adult forum too soon may ruin, or at least prolong, the 'gelling' of the board.
I appreciate your post very much so, Frau.
frauschieze
01-19-2008, 04:12 PM
Hey, someone please send coach a PM to make sure he is 'invited' to this Town Hall discussion ;)
I will do so, but please keep this open until at least Wednesday. Coach will be celebrating MLK day and will probably need Tuesday to recover....
Thank YOU for that clarification. "At ease" Jody.:coffee:
I think you already knew what I meant...ya ever see the movie
White Chicks? Oh nevermind...better not.I think we do need this
new forum...:laugh:
I appreciate your post very much so, Frau.
same here but people need to get use to having their post edited and or
deleted and accept it.:D
same here but people need to get use to having their post edited and or
deleted and accept it.:D
Yes, and I don't think the mods should have to pm everyone, everytime of why they did edit/delete. When we post, we KNOW what we are posting, and most of us are not that ignorant or naive. Well...I am...but YOU? Notta.:D
I can see how you'd think that.....I do think that an adult forum would be right up my alley, what with my mind in the gutter so much. :laugh:
But the reason I was so upset the Freak is leaving was not the loss of a football message board, but the loss of the community. There is segregation de facto here, I'm not fond of it but I do realize it will take time to integrate. My concern is that implimenting an adult forum too soon may ruin, or at least prolong, the 'gelling' of the board.
I agree, but right now we have two sides that are set in their ways and neither wants to give in. Former freaks and some existing members are getting pissed off because their posts are being reported or they are receiving PMs, but they are having that happen, because they are violating the rules.
So, we either have to:
Change the rules
Have EVERYONE obey the rules
Provide different forums with different rules for certain types of conversations
I am not married to any of those solutions, BUT it is not acceptable for people to disregard the message board rules or insult members that point out the violations, just because they might not agree with the rules.
Change them, obey them, or come up with another solution (different rules for different areas).
Yes, and I don't think the mods should have to pm everyone, everytime of why they did edit/delete. When we post, we KNOW what we are posting, and most of us are not that ignorant or naive. Well...I am...but YOU? Notta.:D
I agree with everything you said...errr typed.:D
same here but people need to get use to having their post edited and or
deleted and accept it.:D
Yes, and we need to have existing members realize that change happens and when rules are changed based on Town Hall feedback they can't keep being pissed about it.
Yes, and we need to have existing members realize that change happens and when rules are changed based on Town Hall feedback they can't keep being pissed about it.
Tned....I was speaking of all members!!!!:D
Yes, and we need to have existing members realize that change happens and when rules are changed based on Town Hall feedback they can't keep being pissed about it.
It's a hillarious situation if you think about it.
I have people telling me that we loosened up the rules and allowed vulgar profanity (WTF, LMFAO, etc.) to please a handful of crude people.
I have people telling me that we refuse to allow people to talk like adults (drop f-bombs, make masturbation comments, post sexually explicit jokes/comments) because of a handful of thin skinned religous nuts.
It seems EVERYONE beleive that 98% of the forum believes EXACTLY the same thing as they do, and that there are only a handful of 'whiners' that disagree.
I am pretty sure considering the vast number of opinions we have seen expressed the last few weeks (and last few months really) that people have trouble looking beyond their personal views or comfort zones and considering what other people want.
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 04:27 PM
I agree, but right now we have two sides that are set in their ways and neither wants to give in. Former freaks and some existing members are getting pissed off because their posts are being reported or they are receiving PMs, but they are having that happen, because they are violating the rules.
So, we either have to:
Change the rules
Have EVERYONE obey the rules
Provide different forums with different rules for certain types of conversations
I am not married to any of those solutions, BUT it is not acceptable for people to disregard the message board rules or insult members that point out the violations, just because they might not agree with the rules.
Change them, obey them, or come up with another solution (different rules for different areas).
So are you saying posts are being deleted and people are receiving PM's because they are not following the rules?? :eek:<--- thats a shocker.
So my question is this Tned...are we now changing the rules once again or starting a new forum to conform to those who can't follow the current rules?
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 04:27 PM
It's a hillarious situation if you think about it.
I have people telling me that we loosened up the rules and allowed vulgar profanity (WTF, LMFAO, etc.) to please a handful of crude people.
I have people telling me that we refuse to allow people to talk like adults (drop f-bombs, make masturbation comments, post sexually explicit jokes/comments) because of a handful of thin skinned religous nuts.
It seems EVERYONE beleive that 98% of the forum believes EXACTLY the same thing as they do, and that there are only a handful of 'whiners' that disagree.
I am pretty sure considering the vast number of opinions we have seen expressed the last few weeks (and last few months really) that people have trouble looking beyond their personal views or comfort zones and considering what other people want.
Yes... hilarious in that... *sigh* kind of way.
You're a brave man, Tned.
frauschieze
01-19-2008, 04:27 PM
No offense taken.
Members who post more in an ABF type forum aren't necessarily only there for that. I'm guilty of that here and on Mania... but I read ALOT of the football discussion.
I fit this very description. I love football, I love the Bronocs, I know NOTHING about college ball, draft talk drives me nuts. I read most every bit of the football threads. That's why I'm here. BUT there are so many here that know so much more than I, and say it a heck of a lot better.
You are wise beyond your years. :salute:
(maybe? lol)
Thank you. I'll take that as wise beyond my years. I'd like to think that 27 is still young.
Tned....
Honestly, I do not feel pissed about making some changes.
I only was disturbed at the latitude initially given, but we've already hashed that out.
Secondly, I'm also aware that once you open up a can of worms, you cannot put the lid back on it and everything be rosy again. So, I'm hesitant about an adult forum for that reason. That, and we may never see KCLady again.;)
I'm just uncomfortable with the idea that comes a complaint, there's a major board change. I don't think that's healthy. Somewhere in here, we have to have a leveling out point, so everyone gets used to the rules, whether they like them or they don't, including myself. Does that make sense?:confused:
This board needs a little stability. Change is only healthy....to a point. Then we need a little break in between changes. Yes? No?
It's a hillarious situation if you think about it.
I have people telling me that we loosened up the rules and allowed vulgar profanity (WTF, LMFAO, etc.) to please a handful of crude people.
I have people telling me that we refuse to allow people to talk like adults (drop f-bombs, make masturbation comments, post sexually explicit jokes/comments) because of a handful of thin skinned religous nuts.
It seems EVERYONE beleive that 98% of the forum believes EXACTLY the same thing as they do, and that there are only a handful of 'whiners' that disagree.
I am pretty sure considering the vast number of opinions we have seen expressed the last few weeks (and last few months really) that people have trouble looking beyond their personal views or comfort zones and considering what other people want.
I am not an uptight person (well most of the time) and since you kicked me off the board...I have changed my ways!;)
So are you saying posts are being deleted and people are receiving PM's because they are not following the rules?? :eek:<--- thats a shocker.
So my question is this Tned...are we now changing the rules once again or starting a new forum to conform to those who can't follow the current rules?
Good question!
Tned....I was speaking of all members!!!!:D
I know. That wasn't for you, I was just emphaizing the fact that change happens, even if we are uncomfortable with it. Just because we started out adopting a lot of the mania ways, and in many cases even more restrictive ones, doesn't mean that over time we shouldn't be open to change as new members come in with different views.
So are you saying posts are being deleted and people are receiving PM's because they are not following the rules?? :eek:<--- thats a shocker.
So my question is this Tned...are we now changing the rules once again or starting a new forum to conform to those who can't follow the current rules?
Oh my. You read my mind. I posted before I saw this. Good post WTM.
Tned....
Honestly, I do not feel pissed about making some changes.
I only was disturbed at the latitude initially given, but we've already hashed that out.
Secondly, I'm also aware that once you open up a can of worms, you cannot put the lid back on it and everything be rosy again. So, I'm hesitant about an adult forum for that reason. That, and we may never see KCLady again.;)
I'm just uncomfortable with the idea that comes a complaint, there's a major board change. I don't think that's healthy. Somewhere in here, we have to have a leveling out point, so everyone gets used to the rules, whether they like them or they don't, including myself. Does that make sense?:confused:
This board needs a little stability. Change is only healthy....to a point. Then we need a little break in between changes. Yes? No?
I like your post Jody...except the part about me...:mad:
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 04:32 PM
Oh my. You read my mind. I posted before I saw this. Good post WTM.
Great minds think alike...:kiss:
Still waiting on that back rub...;)
Great minds think alike...:kiss:
Still waiting on that back rub...;)
hey wait a minute now...if she gets to rub your back..is there anything I can
do for you...:confused:
I fit this very description. I love football, I love the Bronocs, I know NOTHING about college ball, draft talk drives me nuts. I read most every bit of the football threads. That's why I'm here. BUT there are so many here that know so much more than I, and say it a heck of a lot better.
Thank you. I'll take that as wise beyond my years. I'd like to think that 27 is still young.
You are still a puppy, Frau. And great post. I agree with you (and LT---if I have to). ;)
frauschieze
01-19-2008, 04:36 PM
I agree, but right now we have two sides that are set in their ways and neither wants to give in. Former freaks and some existing members are getting pissed off because their posts are being reported or they are receiving PMs, but they are having that happen, because they are violating the rules.
So, we either have to:
Change the rules
Have EVERYONE obey the rules
Provide different forums with different rules for certain types of conversations
I am not married to any of those solutions, BUT it is not acceptable for people to disregard the message board rules or insult members that point out the violations, just because they might not agree with the rules.
Change them, obey them, or come up with another solution (different rules for different areas).
And this is exactly why I need time to think about this. At the moment, my first impulse is to say tell everyone to get over it, deal with it, nothing changes. We'll adjust. But I do think the adult forum would be a very good solution.
I'm sitting the fence for now.
You are still a puppy, Frau. And great post. I agree with you (and LT---if I have to). ;)
Yes Frau...you are still a baby...just ask Jody....:laugh:
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 04:37 PM
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hey wait a minute now...if she gets to rub your back..is there anything I can
do for you...:confused:
Sit in the corner and be quiet. ;)
And this is exactly why I need time to think about this. At the moment, my first impulse is to say tell everyone to get over it, deal with it, nothing changes. We'll adjust. But I do think the adult forum would be a very good solution.
I'm sitting the fence for now.
oh stop it....you know you knocked that fence over...;)
Sit in the corner and be quiet. ;)
:sad:
Thats okay...I will find Dallas and see if I can rub his....ahhhhhhh.
back....:D
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 04:41 PM
You are still a puppy, Frau. And great post. I agree with you (and LT---if I have to). ;)
Don't hurt yourself....
As for WTMs comment... in a way, you're right... yes the rules may change because not everyone can follow them... but it's more with Tned wanting the rules and setup here to reflect the desires of as many members here as possible... and if this is the best way to appease the most members, it's something that's to be considered.
Until the rules are changed though, the mods will enforce them I'm sure... the rules haven't just been changed because people aren't behaving.
So my question is this Tned...are we now changing the rules once again or starting a new forum to conform to those who can't follow the current rules?
I thought that was the question YOU were supposed to answer.
Tned....
Honestly, I do not feel pissed about making some changes.
I only was disturbed at the latitude initially given, but we've already hashed that out.
There was latitude given primarily because before they ever came over it was clear that many members felt that over-moderation was taking place, such as not allowing WTF, for instance, or for editing out things that you see on Desperate housewives or Two and a Half men. We were at an extreme far end, in many cases more resetrictive conservative than BM.
This was a topic that was in process, and it didn't make sense exposing a bunch of new members to overly restrictive rules that were going to be loosened whether they showed up or now.
Secondly, I'm also aware that once you open up a can of worms, you cannot put the lid back on it and everything be rosy again. So, I'm hesitant about an adult forum for that reason. That, and we may never see KCLady again.;)
I agree, but right now we have a contingent of people that are adament about the rules not changing, because thats the way it was 'before' and why should we change becuase a bunch of new people showed up.
However, it isn't that simple. There were many people that thought the rules were too restrictive, myself being one of them, for what that's worth.
I'm just uncomfortable with the idea that comes a complaint, there's a major board change. I don't think that's healthy. Somewhere in here, we have to have a leveling out point, so everyone gets used to the rules, whether they like them or they don't, including myself. Does that make sense?:confused:
This board needs a little stability. Change is only healthy....to a point. Then we need a little break in between changes. Yes? No?
I agree in concept, but for most of our existing members, that leveling out point is that everyone should follow the old rules (mania like) and everyone else, new and existing members, should abide by those rules or leave.
That isn't really an open view of things.
Quite honestly, right now we have reported posts and sometimes moderator actions that are ticky-tack, using the term they sometimes apply to a personal foul call that never should have had a flag thrown. This is due to the fairly restrictive rules we have, combined with the fact they are vague.
I'm pretty easy, I can deal with any set of rules, but I do believe we have been overly prudish on this board, and have painted a bunch of things as personal attacks that really aren't. This is about the most flame-free message board I have ever seen. However, that is partially due to the rules and partially due to members reporting posts and complaing about these 'personal attacks', which leaves our mods in a tough spot.
I think our mods are doing a great job, but we have a diverse set of people that all think THEIR way is the best, and the fact that the people involved with creating the initial rules fall in the relatively conservative side of the scale, means that, along with our BM roots, made for an initial set of rules that were very, very restrictive. This appeals to some, but not all.
So, as I said, we have to review the rules across the board and be willing to open it up across the board if that's clearly what most people want, or create a single more liberal forum.
Don't hurt yourself....
As for WTMs comment... in a way, you're right... yes the rules may change because not everyone can follow them... but it's more with Tned wanting the rules and setup here to reflect the desires of as many members here as possible... and if this is the best way to appease the most members, it's something that's to be considered.
Until the rules are changed though, the mods will enforce them I'm sure... the rules haven't just been changed because people aren't behaving.
Need to get Steve over here...yep thats the ticket....:D
I thought that was the question YOU were supposed to answer.
There was latitude given primarily because before they ever came over it was clear that many members felt that over-moderation was taking place, such as not allowing WTF, for instance, or for editing out things that you see on Desperate housewives or Two and a Half men. We were at an extreme far end, in many cases more resetrictive conservative than BM.
This was a topic that was in process, and it didn't make sense exposing a bunch of new members to overly restrictive rules that were going to be loosened whether they showed up or now.
I agree, but right now we have a contingent of people that are adament about the rules not changing, because thats the way it was 'before' and why should we change becuase a bunch of new people showed up.
However, it isn't that simple. There were many people that thought the rules were too restrictive, myself being one of them, for what that's worth.
I agree in concept, but for most of our existing members, that leveling out point is that everyone should follow the old rules (mania like) and everyone else, new and existing members, should abide by those rules or leave.
That isn't really an open view of things.
Quite honestly, right now we have reported posts and sometimes moderator actions that are ticky-tack, using the term they sometimes apply to a personal foul call that never should have had a flag thrown. This is due to the fairly restrictive rules we have, combined with the fact they are vague.
I'm pretty easy, I can deal with any set of rules, but I do believe we have been overly prudish on this board, and have painted a bunch of things as personal attacks that really aren't. This is about the most flame-free message board I have ever seen. However, that is partially due to the rules and partially due to members reporting posts and complaing about these 'personal attacks', which leaves our mods in a tough spot.
I think our mods are doing a great job, but we have a diverse set of people that all think THEIR way is the best, and the fact that the people involved with creating the initial rules fall in the relatively conservative side of the scale, means that, along with our BM roots, made for an initial set of rules that were very, very restrictive. This appeals to some, but not all.
So, as I said, we have to review the rules across the board and be willing to open it up across the board if that's clearly what most people want, or create a single more liberal forum.
Damn Tned....how do you do it?:confused:
Don't hurt yourself....
As for WTMs comment... in a way, you're right... yes the rules may change because not everyone can follow them... but it's more with Tned wanting the rules and setup here to reflect the desires of as many members here as possible... and if this is the best way to appease the most members, it's something that's to be considered.
Until the rules are changed though, the mods will enforce them I'm sure... the rules haven't just been changed because people aren't behaving.
And I LIKE that idea. Whatever rules are in place should be respected.
Again? I agree with you again? What's a girl to do?!:D
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 04:46 PM
Need to get Steve over here...yep thats the ticket....:D
Oh, please don't open the door for Steve bashing... :ugh:
:sad:
Thats okay...I will find Dallas and see if I can rub his....ahhhhhhh...
his back....:D
Sounds like a plan. :lol:
And I LIKE that idea. Whatever rules are in place should be respected.
Again? I agree with you again? What's a girl to do?!:D
This :kiss:
that was for LT not you Jody!:D
Oh, please don't open the door for Steve bashing... :ugh:
I am sorry and I won't if you will promise to leave there and be a mod
here...:D
that way I could pick on you daily or blow you kisses depending on
what day it is.
Sounds like a plan. :lol:
:beer::beer::beer:
Oh, please don't open the door for Steve bashing... :ugh:
He's changed the background on BM, like requested. Steve has done a ton of good for Broncos fans and hasn't gotten much credit along the way.
Anyway, I agree, this is about here, not BM or Steve.
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 04:50 PM
Oh, please don't open the door for Steve bashing... :ugh:
I posted and deleted.
:coffee:
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 04:50 PM
Oh really? :confused:
I was absolutely naive before I met you, KCLady.
:pop2:
You still are..:D
He's changed the background on BM, like requested. Steve has done a ton of good for Broncos fans and hasn't gotten much credit along the way.
Anyway, I agree, this is about here, not BM or Steve.
It was a joke.....:D
Lonestar
01-19-2008, 04:51 PM
I just noticed this..
A few question to start with..
Would these posts be seen on the new post ares?
Is this a spearate forum or an extension of this one?
Same server and all?
Same log in?
Different list of banned words?
Here are my concerns that biggest one is comments made in the heat of battle have a tendency to spill over into other more restrictive forums..
and some of the folks will be going back and forth and may indeed make comments in these areas by mistake..
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 04:51 PM
I thought that was the question YOU were supposed to answer.
There was latitude given primarily because before they ever came over it was clear that many members felt that over-moderation was taking place, such as not allowing WTF, for instance, or for editing out things that you see on Desperate housewives or Two and a Half men. We were at an extreme far end, in many cases more resetrictive conservative than BM.
This was a topic that was in process, and it didn't make sense exposing a bunch of new members to overly restrictive rules that were going to be loosened whether they showed up or now.
I agree, but right now we have a contingent of people that are adament about the rules not changing, because thats the way it was 'before' and why should we change becuase a bunch of new people showed up.
However, it isn't that simple. There were many people that thought the rules were too restrictive, myself being one of them, for what that's worth.
I agree in concept, but for most of our existing members, that leveling out point is that everyone should follow the old rules (mania like) and everyone else, new and existing members, should abide by those rules or leave.
That isn't really an open view of things.
Quite honestly, right now we have reported posts and sometimes moderator actions that are ticky-tack, using the term they sometimes apply to a personal foul call that never should have had a flag thrown. This is due to the fairly restrictive rules we have, combined with the fact they are vague.
I'm pretty easy, I can deal with any set of rules, but I do believe we have been overly prudish on this board, and have painted a bunch of things as personal attacks that really aren't. This is about the most flame-free message board I have ever seen. However, that is partially due to the rules and partially due to members reporting posts and complaing about these 'personal attacks', which leaves our mods in a tough spot.
I think our mods are doing a great job, but we have a diverse set of people that all think THEIR way is the best, and the fact that the people involved with creating the initial rules fall in the relatively conservative side of the scale, means that, along with our BM roots, made for an initial set of rules that were very, very restrictive. This appeals to some, but not all.
So, as I said, we have to review the rules across the board and be willing to open it up across the board if that's clearly what most people want, or create a single more liberal forum.
I really, really like this board, and that's why I am voicing my opinions. If I didn't like this board, I wouldn't care. But this is the most sensitive board I've ever seen. I hate to use this as an example, but posts were reported because a member thought it was "flaming" for pointing out that the Browns had an expansion draft. I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, but this board is overly sensitive, and my personal opinion is that it should be relaxed. Not a lot...Not a lot mind you...just a little...we are adults, and it just feels so middle-schoolish when I hear that someone was offended by something like the above example. Offended? To me that's absurd...
Tned, thank you for allowing us to discuss these issues.
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 04:52 PM
He's changed the background on BM, like requested. Steve has done a ton of good for Broncos fans and hasn't gotten much credit along the way.
Anyway, I agree, this is about here, not BM or Steve.
It's too bad it took so long, but I got the distinct impression that he's got much bigger headaches during the season.
I posted and deleted.
:coffee:
Thanks.
:salute:
It was a joke.....:D
I know it was on your part, but as LT said, it still would open the door for those that would take the opp to take shots.
Thanks WTM, for deleting your post.
Back to our regularly scheduled BroncosForums drama....
You still are..:D
Actually she isn't....:D
Like I stated in your thread...give her some wine...get her
posting with me and LOOK OUT...she will be agreeing with
everything you say!;)
I know it was on your part, but as LT said, it still would open the door for those that would take the opp to take shots.
Thanks WTM, for deleting your post.
Back to our regularly scheduled BroncosForums drama....
okay sorry guys...I will behave....:D
shut up Jody.
Actually she isn't....:D
Like I stated in your thread...give her some wine...get her
posting with me and LOOK OUT...she will be agreeing with
everything you say!;)
By my pure nature, I'm actually an agreeable woman.
I just don't agree with this post. ;)
okay sorry guys...I will behave....:D
shut up Jody.
Too late! :D
By my pure nature, I'm actually an agreeable woman.
I just don't agree with this post. ;)
so you are agreeing with niner?:confused:
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 04:56 PM
okay sorry guys...I will behave....:D
shut up Jody.
Please...this is serious and you keep derailing it. ;)
Tned, whats the time frame for this discussion? How long is it going to be discussed by us as a board? Or have you thought of that yet...:laugh:
I just noticed this..
A few question to start with..
Would these posts be seen on the new post ares?
Is this a spearate forum or an extension of this one?
Same server and all?
Same log in?
Different list of banned words?
Here are my concerns that biggest one is comments made in the heat of battle have a tendency to spill over into other more restrictive forums..
and some of the folks will be going back and forth and may indeed make comments in these areas by mistake..
Same login, same server, same banned words, new forum (ala moderator forum or LR on mania that are hidden to those that don't have access), posts shouldn't show up on new posts (unless the person has opted to join the group capable of seeing that forum).
Essentially, think of it like the locker room on mania. In that one, you don't have access to it until you reach a certain level of CP. You can't even see the forum exists, or see anything in "New Posts" until you have permission to view it.
In this case, the "permission" would come from a member taking the pro-active action of "joining" the adult group, and once that is done, he/she would now see the new forum, and the posts would show up in new posts, just like when you gained access to the Locker Room on BM.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 04:56 PM
So I gather from some people on here that adults don't cuss and don't discuss sex? I'm really confused. Is Masturbation really a bad thing to talk about on a public forum. Just curious. hear me out hear, not every post or thread has cussing or vulgar, obscene things in them. Those type of posts are the minority on here, not the majority. If every single thread or post reeked of vulgarness, I'd understand the concern, but it's not like that.
schnooks1
01-19-2008, 04:57 PM
By my pure nature, I'm actually an agreeable woman.
I just don't agree with this post. ;)
I only disagree with one word....... PURE!
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 04:57 PM
Hi Jody, I love you!!! You are my moralist idol. !!!!
Dreadnought
01-19-2008, 04:57 PM
I can see how you'd think that.....I do think that an adult forum would be right up my alley, what with my mind in the gutter so much. :laugh:
But the reason I was so upset the Freak is leaving was not the loss of a football message board, but the loss of the community. There is segregation de facto here, I'm not fond of it but I do realize it will take time to integrate. My concern is that implimenting an adult forum too soon may ruin, or at least prolong, the 'gelling' of the board.
Frau, I think you've raised a valid and perceptive point. We are slowly integrating, but its natural to mostly communicate with the folks you've been familiar with in a prior "life".
Apart from that, the basic idea of an Adult, or at least more relaxed, forum makes some sense to me. I would share the concern that we further fragment the community, but it would damp down the dissatisfaction of some members clearly not happy with the level of moderation going on. My personal problem FWIW is that I'm pretty happy with the standards as they stand now - a little looser control would be good, but if the new forum is too crazy, I don't know. I'm also not sure I'd like an alternative that is more tightly moderated that it is now, as it might not be that much fun. With having to wait for September to hit the football boards most heavily (I'm just not a draft nut - can't help it, I don't like college football - I'll just read G-Money and BossHogg and I'll know what to think!) it would be good to have it all settled.
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 04:57 PM
So I gather from some people on here that adults don't cuss and don't discuss sex? I'm really confused. Is Masturbation really a bad thing to talk about on a public forum. Just curious. hear me out hear, not every post or thread has cussing or vulgar, obscene things in them. Those type of posts are the minority on here, not the majority. If every single thread or post reeked of vulgarness, I'd understand the concern, but it's not like that.
Sex is a taboo that we do not discuss in public. Especially masturbation.
Please...this is serious and you keep derailing it. ;)
Tned, whats the time frame for this discussion? How long is it going to be discussed by us as a board? Or have you thought of that yet...:laugh:
WTH? :confused:
Who was the one asking where his backrub was.:rolleyes:
so you are agreeing with niner?:confused:
Agent 9798 is "Niner"? :lol:
Is this a golfing nickname?
I'm a little naive sometimes, I'll admit it.
Everyone doesn't have the scoop on
everything, everytime about everyone.
Hi Jody, I love you!!! You are my moralist idol. !!!!
Is that anything like an "American Idol"?
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 05:00 PM
I really, really like this board, and that's why I am voicing my opinions. If I didn't like this board, I wouldn't care. But this is the most sensitive board I've ever seen. I hate to use this as an example, but posts were reported because a member thought it was "flaming" for pointing out that the Browns had an expansion draft. I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, but this board is overly sensitive, and my personal opinion is that it should be relaxed. Not a lot...Not a lot mind you...just a little...we are adults, and it just feels so middle-schoolish when I hear that someone was offended by something like the above example. Offended? To me that's absurd...
Tned, thank you for allowing us to discuss these issues.
It's great that you're giving input on the subject. I'm glad you're here.
I'm curious though (this isn't necessarily directed at just you)... you and a few others (including Tned) have referred to this board as one of the most conservative ever... but does that include Mania? I don't think it gets more 'prudish' than that forum... and I think Tned as well as the members and mods here have all done a great job of trying to find a more sensible place in the middle somewhere.
It's not a simple process... and I think everyone's patience with this site through growing pains is a great thing.
I really, really like this board, and that's why I am voicing my opinions. If I didn't like this board, I wouldn't care. But this is the most sensitive board I've ever seen. I hate to use this as an example, but posts were reported because a member thought it was "flaming" for pointing out that the Browns had an expansion draft. I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, but this board is overly sensitive, and my personal opinion is that it should be relaxed. Not a lot...Not a lot mind you...just a little...we are adults, and it just feels so middle-schoolish when I hear that someone was offended by something like the above example. Offended? To me that's absurd...
Tned, thank you for allowing us to discuss these issues.
Personally, I agree with everything you are saying. However, I have committed to not creating rules based on my opinions/beliefs, but based on input from these Town Hall discussions.
So, when I am wearing my member's hat, I agree with you 100%.
When I am wearning my admin hat, to date I have not seen evidence that the vast majority, or community at large, wants it relaxed.
I do think there are a lot of people that do, but that they have different opinions. For instance, I think there are probably a lot of people that think more leeway should be given in smack (a form of relaxing), but not all of those feel that curses and sexual explicit posts (another form of relaxing) should be allowed.
That is why I, nor the advisory board when it was making the decisions, will make snap decisions in these areas. There need to be discussion and input from as many people as possible and talk about the various options for moving forward.
Agent 9798 is "Niner"? :lol:
Is this a golfing nickname?
I'm a little naive sometimes, I'll admit it.
Everyone doesn't have the scoop on
everything, everytime about everyone.
Oh Brother....:rolleyes:
Schnooks are you reading this?
So I gather from some people on here that adults don't cuss and don't discuss sex? I'm really confused. Is Masturbation really a bad thing to talk about on a public forum. Just curious. hear me out hear, not every post or thread has cussing or vulgar, obscene things in them. Those type of posts are the minority on here, not the majority. If every single thread or post reeked of vulgarness, I'd understand the concern, but it's not like that.
Your beloved moralist has an idea....;)
TNED - Why could people not use a certain icon to mark their newly created threads of PG13 or some type of icon that shows it will contain adult material. So therefore, they are forewarned before entering?
Proud of me Niner?:D
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 05:02 PM
It's great that you're giving input on the subject. I'm glad you're here.
I'm curious though (this isn't necessarily directed at just you)... you and a few others (including Tned) have referred to this board as one of the most conservative ever... but does that include Mania? I don't think it gets more 'prudish' than that forum... and I think Tned as well as the members and mods here have all done a great job of trying to find a more sensible place in the middle somewhere.
It's not a simple process... and I think everyone's patience with this site through growing pains is a great thing.
I'm not a good answer for you, because I'm never spent time at Mania. In my experiences, the Freak, the Mane, a Royals Board, a Nuggets Board (Rockin' the Melo jersey today...) and the Rivals Boards, this board is extremely sensitive. I've seen moderate disagreements be called personal attacks.
It's great that you're giving input on the subject. I'm glad you're here.
I'm curious though (this isn't necessarily directed at just you)... you and a few others (including Tned) have referred to this board as one of the most conservative ever... but does that include Mania? I don't think it gets more 'prudish' than that forum... and I think Tned as well as the members and mods here have all done a great job of trying to find a more sensible place in the middle somewhere.
It's not a simple process... and I think everyone's patience with this site through growing pains is a great thing.
see LT...you are already sounding like a mod here!:beer:
Your beloved moralist has an idea....;)
TNED - Why could people not use a certain icon to mark their newly created threads of PG13 or some type of icon that shows it will contain adult material. So therefore, they are forewarned before entering?
Proud of me Niner?:D
well Jody...get your icons ready....:D
Watchthemiddle
01-19-2008, 05:03 PM
Your beloved moralist has an idea....;)
TNED - Why could people not use a certain icon to mark their newly created threads of PG13 or some type of icon that shows it will contain adult material. So therefore, they are forewarned before entering?
Proud of me Niner?:D
I was just posting this....
Just label **sexual content** or **adult content** at the beginning of a new thread.
That way, no one can say they weren't warned. Maybe that could be a baby step to creating a completely new forum and it would still keep everyone together in the same place ( like Frau said ) and stop even more seperating.
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 05:03 PM
Personally, I agree with everything you are saying. However, I have committed to not creating rules based on my opinions/beliefs, but based on input from these Town Hall discussions.
So, when I am wearing my member's hat, I agree with you 100%.
When I am wearning my admin hat, to date I have not seen evidence that the vast majority, or community at large, wants it relaxed.
I do think there are a lot of people that do, but that they have different opinions. For instance, I think there are probably a lot of people that think more leeway should be given in smack (a form of relaxing), but not all of those feel that curses and sexual explicit posts (another form of relaxing) should be allowed.
That is why I, nor the advisory board when it was making the decisions, will make snap decisions in these areas. There need to be discussion and input from as many people as possible and talk about the various options for moving forward.
I just don't think there is any need for this forum to be a Disney forum...PG-13 is a good place to lay the line, imo...If you try to make it a G-rated forum, then you're completely catering one way. That's why we have PG-13...it's a good in between place to be.
WTH? :confused:
Who was the one asking where his backrub was.:rolleyes:
He wasn't satisfied with his internet backrub is all....now he's grumpy.;)
well Jody...get your icons ready....:D
I'm wearing them like six-shooters, KCLady, all ready and loaded!:D
Dreadnought
01-19-2008, 05:07 PM
Your beloved moralist has an idea....;)
TNED - Why could people not use a certain icon to mark their newly created threads of PG13 or some type of icon that shows it will contain adult material. So therefore, they are forewarned before entering?
Proud of me Niner?:D
If its technically feasible, this is a good approach. Basically, if somebody complains about language and what have you in one of these threads the mods can tell him or her to go pound sand.
I'm wearing them like six-shooters, KCLady, all ready and loaded!:D
oh well no doubt "Niner" will be so proud of you!
and Jody once again...I have to ask you to stay on topic!!!!:D
Dreadnought
01-19-2008, 05:10 PM
I just don't think there is any need for this forum to be a Disney forum...PG-13 is a good place to lay the line, imo...If you try to make it a G-rated forum, then you're completely catering one way. That's why we have PG-13...it's a good in between place to be.
Exactly - no reason for a football forum to have the same standards as an episode of "Veggie Tales". No reason to be a quasi-porn site either.
oh well no doubt "Niner" will be so proud of you!
and Jody once again...I have to ask you to stay on topic!!!!:D
Duh! I always stay on my topic, come hell or high water. :D
schnooks1
01-19-2008, 05:12 PM
I'm wearing them like six-shooters, KCLady, all ready and loaded!:D
Aren't you always loaded?? :confused:
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 05:13 PM
Same login, same server, same banned words, new forum (ala moderator forum or LR on mania that are hidden to those that don't have access), posts shouldn't show up on new posts (unless the person has opted to join the group capable of seeing that forum).
Essentially, think of it like the locker room on mania. In that one, you don't have access to it until you reach a certain level of CP. You can't even see the forum exists, or see anything in "New Posts" until you have permission to view it.
In this case, the "permission" would come from a member taking the pro-active action of "joining" the adult group, and once that is done, he/she would now see the new forum, and the posts would show up in new posts, just like when you gained access to the Locker Room on BM.
You mentioned being able to banish members from said forum... do you also have the ability to set it up so you get to 'approve' members who 'register' for it?
So I gather from some people on here that adults don't cuss and don't discuss sex? I'm really confused. Is Masturbation really a bad thing to talk about on a public forum. Just curious. hear me out hear, not every post or thread has cussing or vulgar, obscene things in them. Those type of posts are the minority on here, not the majority. If every single thread or post reeked of vulgarness, I'd understand the concern, but it's not like that.
It's not just about adults... this is a public forum... so it's about how adults behave in public... and lots of adults wouldn't talk about those things in public... or at work, as another way to look at it.
I was just posting this....
Just label **sexual content** or **adult content** at the beginning of a new thread.
That way, no one can say they weren't warned. Maybe that could be a baby step to creating a completely new forum and it would still keep everyone together in the same place ( like Frau said ) and stop even more seperating.
If it was set up like that, what would happen if someone started a thread and one of their friends came in with a sexual comment... even if the threadstarter didn't mind, others might, and it wouldn't be labeled as such.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea... I've thought the same thing... I'm just not sure what's the best way logistically to pull something like that off.
Duh! I always stay on my topic, come hell or high water. :D
Jody...put the bottle down for awhile.
You are way off topic with this nonsense!:D
frauschieze
01-19-2008, 05:14 PM
see LT...you are already sounding like a mod here!:beer:
I just found out he wasn't. :coffee:
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:15 PM
Your beloved moralist has an idea....;)
TNED - Why could people not use a certain icon to mark their newly created threads of PG13 or some type of icon that shows it will contain adult material. So therefore, they are forewarned before entering?
Proud of me Niner?:D
I'm against nude pics on this site. I prefer cuss words not be allowed, I like acro's though. I'm not in favor of an all out R forum. I just think when the words like masturbation are used, it's ok, especially when I'm directing to a friend who doesn't mind. I didn't use it in a vulgar way, in my opinion. And like I said, I respect your opinion. And I like when you disagree, it gives me a chance to have some fun, at your expense of course. But, good fun. :D
Jody...put the bottle down for awhile.
You are way off topic with this nonsense!:D
Hey, this IS about adult conversation, is it not?
That happens to be my speciality. ;)
I just found out he wasn't. :coffee:
You thought he was:confused:
Please...this is serious and you keep derailing it. ;)
Tned, whats the time frame for this discussion? How long is it going to be discussed by us as a board? Or have you thought of that yet...:laugh:
As long as it takes, and we keep getting good input. I don't want to set an arbitrary deadline.
So I gather from some people on here that adults don't cuss and don't discuss sex? I'm really confused. Is Masturbation really a bad thing to talk about on a public forum. Just curious. hear me out hear, not every post or thread has cussing or vulgar, obscene things in them. Those type of posts are the minority on here, not the majority. If every single thread or post reeked of vulgarness, I'd understand the concern, but it's not like that.
You live in the south, you know how it is. There are many people that are offended by any utterance of a curse. It doesn't make them wrong, it doesn't make them less adult, but it is their right.
Just as many feel it isn't fair that they be restricted from using curses, it also isn't fair to say to these people, "read the curses or leave. read the sexually explicit jokes or leave". It needs to be a two way street in that regard.
For instance, my wife has NEVER spoken a curse (or cuss or swear as she would say) in her entire life. She was raised to believe it is wrong. She has learned to have to deal with hearing them, being married to me, but would never use them. Some of her family and many other people I know around here, wouldn't frequent someplace where there was cursing.
Now, having said that, I wonder how many people that they say that cursing shouldn't be allowed here, NEVER go to anything other than G or PG rated moves? Even PG-13 movies allow f-bombs and plenty of other language in them.
Frau, I think you've raised a valid and perceptive point. We are slowly integrating, but its natural to mostly communicate with the folks you've been familiar with in a prior "life".
Apart from that, the basic idea of an Adult, or at least more relaxed, forum makes some sense to me. I would share the concern that we further fragment the community, but it would damp down the dissatisfaction of some members clearly not happy with the level of moderation going on. My personal problem FWIW is that I'm pretty happy with the standards as they stand now - a little looser control would be good, but if the new forum is too crazy, I don't know. I'm also not sure I'd like an alternative that is more tightly moderated that it is now, as it might not be that much fun. With having to wait for September to hit the football boards most heavily (I'm just not a draft nut - can't help it, I don't like college football - I'll just read G-Money and BossHogg and I'll know what to think!) it would be good to have it all settled.
The problem is that quite a few of our new members are breaking the rules, in practice or spirit, and hence the reported posts and moderator action. I say spirit, because lines are being crossed that before our members didn't cross, even if they concen vague wording in the rules.
As to the fragmenting, in realiity, what I believe would happen is that virtually everyone that wanted to participate in general chit/chat would join the new 'adult' forum and the other non-adult forum would dry up and there would be minimal posting in it. I could be wrong, but that's what I think would happen.
It's great that you're giving input on the subject. I'm glad you're here.
I'm curious though (this isn't necessarily directed at just you)... you and a few others (including Tned) have referred to this board as one of the most conservative ever... but does that include Mania? I don't think it gets more 'prudish' than that forum... and I think Tned as well as the members and mods here have all done a great job of trying to find a more sensible place in the middle somewhere.
It's not a simple process... and I think everyone's patience with this site through growing pains is a great thing.
We have loosened up quite a bit over the first four months, but starting out there were a number of areas we were MORE tightly moderated than BM. Posts being deleted in Town Hall/Feedback for instance that would be allowed to continue on BM, but we deleted or hammered a poster for 'questioning a mod', for instance.
There were some other areas where things were moderated, in compliance with our rules, where I had to point out that it would have been allowed on BM. We have been far more sensitive to labeling things 'personal attacks' and moderating them than on BM.
There are a number of areas where we didn't hit the middle ground we said we were shooting for when we were creating the message board. We said we were going to shoot for landing somewhere between mania and the mane, in reality, we initially landed someplace a bit more restrictive than mania, just with a blue background.
Your beloved moralist has an idea....;)
TNED - Why could people not use a certain icon to mark their newly created threads of PG13 or some type of icon that shows it will contain adult material. So therefore, they are forewarned before entering?
Proud of me Niner?:D
The problem with that, as I see it, is that threads wander. These long, say anything type threads might start out just fine, but 10, 40, or 100 posts in become PG-13 or borderline R. Plus, it doens't allow the ability to keep them off of "new posts" for those that want no part of any of them.
I'm personally fine with that approach, but just raising a couple potential problems.
Lonestar
01-19-2008, 05:16 PM
Ok I get the Locker room image .
Will there be a limit on the threads inside?
If so are they limited to non football items?
or is it more like anything goes..
I'd hate to lose the more knowledgeable folks from the general football area..
Again my main concern is spillage from there to here..
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:17 PM
Tred,,,How many posts were made last night (thousands?). And how many were reported? (5 or 6 maybe.) There is no problem, in my opinion. The problem is the one or two sensitive ones. Did 200 people the same post or just 1?
I just don't think there is any need for this forum to be a Disney forum...PG-13 is a good place to lay the line, imo...If you try to make it a G-rated forum, then you're completely catering one way. That's why we have PG-13...it's a good in between place to be.
Yes, YOU believe that, I believe that, but many others's don't believe it. PG-13 allows f-bombs for instance, along with many other things. Many of our members don't think that should be allowed.
FWIW, I have used the PG-13 suggestion numerious times here and in the advisory board, and I think it is a good guideline (although very vague in and of itself) for what should be a happy medium.
Tned...have I told you lately that I LOVE YOU.... :kiss:
frauschieze
01-19-2008, 05:20 PM
You thought he was:confused:
I am not always the brightest crayon in the box.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:20 PM
I am not always the brightest crayon in the box.
Or the sharpest tool in the shed. :D
I am not always the brightest crayon in the box.
So you are not the Pink crayola but the gray one?:D
Or the sharpest tool in the shed. :D
No that would apply to you....:laugh:
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:24 PM
No that would apply to you....:laugh:
Look, you like me. Don't blow it...:D:lol:
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 05:25 PM
Yes, YOU believe that, I believe that, but many others's don't believe it. PG-13 allows f-bombs for instance, along with many other things. Many of our members don't think that should be allowed.
FWIW, I have used the PG-13 suggestion numerious times here and in the advisory board, and I think it is a good guideline (although very vague in and of itself) for what should be a happy medium.
Yes, sometimes they do...I guess I think of PG-13 as being a movie on Basic Cable (TBS, TNT...)...more than I do like Titanic where what's her name got naked, or in Robin Hood where Christian Slater's character says "**** me" when they catapult Costner over the wall. But, for the most part PG-13 is a good guide, imo.
Look, you like me. Don't blow it...:D:lol:
hey...the new forum hasn't started yet!!!!:D
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:28 PM
hey...the new forum hasn't started yet!!!!:D
Shhhh,,,Jody's lurking..
LordTrychon
01-19-2008, 05:28 PM
Tred,,,How many posts were made last night (thousands?). And how many were reported? (5 or 6 maybe.) There is no problem, in my opinion. The problem is the one or two sensitive ones. Did 200 people the same post or just 1?
I agree.
My biggest argument against an adult forum is that I think that we can all learn to get along fine with the rules where they are. It may take a bit of an adjustment from everyone, and it's not an overnight thing...
But only the mods know how many reports are being given.
That whole 'behind the scenes' thing again.
Shhhh,,,Jody's lurking..
I know...its scary...she likes to stalk too!:lol:
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:30 PM
I know...its scary...she likes to stalk too!:lol:
I think she needs intervention. I thik we can break her. :elefant:
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 05:31 PM
I agree.
My biggest argument against an adult forum is that I think that we can all learn to get along fine with the rules where they are. It may take a bit of an adjustment from everyone, and it's not an overnight thing...
But only the mods know how many reports are being given.
That whole 'behind the scenes' thing again.
I don't really think an adult forum is necessary...we aren't asking you guys to allow us to post porn, or even not censor cuss words...we just think it's a little tight...(Besides, I know plenty of places to download porn :D...I'm single...remember...that's how this whole hubub got started :D)
I think she needs intervention. I thik we can break her. :elefant:
I already have broken her but if you want to give it a try just
buy her a bottle of her favorite wine.:D
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:32 PM
I already have broken her but if you want to give it a try just
buy her a bottle of her favorite wine.:D
Mad Dog 20/20???
Mad Dog 20/20???
Sounds fitting....:lol:
You mentioned being able to banish members from said forum... do you also have the ability to set it up so you get to 'approve' members who 'register' for it?
It could be setup where I, or someone else, would have to approve a join request, or be automatic. Under what I described, it would be automatic.
Ok I get the Locker room image .
Will there be a limit on the threads inside?
If so are they limited to non football items?
or is it more like anything goes..
I'd hate to lose the more knowledgeable folks from the general football area..
Again my main concern is spillage from there to here..
That has to be defined, if we do it, but my 'opinion' would be that it was non football, just like the kind of stuff in what's on your mind. Football, P&R, etc., would stay in their respective forums.
Tred,,,How many posts were made last night (thousands?). And how many were reported? (5 or 6 maybe.) There is no problem, in my opinion. The problem is the one or two sensitive ones. Did 200 people the same post or just 1?
A tiny number of the posts created were reported, not all of those reports resulted in moderation action.
The bigger question is what percentage of moderator actions resulted in public outcries. That was a MUCH higher percentage over the last few days.
As I have said in a couple posts in this thread, we have to:
Obey the rules as they exist, change the rules, or create an alternative (such as sub-forums with seperate rules).
Right now we have people breaking the rules either because they don't understand them (in some cases the rules are vague), or don't agree with them. Then, when they are called on them, they post an 'outcry' thread, and then others chime in about how restrictive the rules are.
If they are too restrictive, then let's change them (if that is clearly what the vast majority of people want), or provide areas that are less restrictive.
If they aren't too restrictive, then people need to obey them and not make the public rants, which create a lynch mob type effect.
I'm not talking about your MB discussion, specifically, there have been others. People get PM'd about a moderator action, then while still pissed, post a rant thread. Even when the topic is good and should be discussed, often the presentation isn't great, because too much emotion is involved at that moment in time.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:42 PM
It could be setup where I, or someone else, would have to approve a join request, or be automatic. Under what I described, it would be automatic.
That has to be defined, if we do it, but my 'opinion' would be that it was non football, just like the kind of stuff in what's on your mind. Football, P&R, etc., would stay in their respective forums.
A tiny number of the posts created were reported, not all of those reports resulted in moderation action.
The bigger question is what percentage of moderator actions resulted in public outcries. That was a MUCH higher percentage over the last few days.
As I have said in a couple posts in this thread, we have to:
Obey the rules as they exist, change the rules, or create an alternative (such as sub-forums with seperate rules).
Right now we have people breaking the rules either because they don't understand them (in some cases the rules are vague), or don't agree with them. Then, when they are called on them, they post an 'outcry' thread, and then others chime in about how restrictive the rules are.
If they are too restrictive, then let's change them (if that is clearly what the vast majority of people want), or provide areas that are less restrictive.
If they aren't too restrictive, then people need to obey them and not make the public rants, which create a lynch mob type effect.
I'm not talking about your MB discussion, specifically, there have been others. People get PM'd about a moderator action, then while still pissed, post a rant thread. Even when the topic is good and should be discussed, often the presentation isn't great, because too much emotion is involved at that moment in time.
Yeah but rant threads are fun. Look how quick they grow!! You have to admit when they are finished, people actually start to get to know each other a bit better. Jody and KC lady like me now. :D I made two friends today Tred. Please, quit complaining about the rant threads...
TIA!!!!!
claymore
01-19-2008, 05:44 PM
I would like to say that instead of *****'ing about something, we/Tned/ all of us have made great progress.
I can say just about anything I want to say on this board with out offending most. I have been guilty of a couple personal attacks, and a couple raunchy posts. I was warned, and I deserved it. Frankly I would probably have been banned at most other sites. Especially being a noob.
I do not think this is the final state of the board, but I think the tuning of it is really close to being perfect. I appreciate the work all of you guys have done, I cannot remember all involved, but I know some serious free time has been consumed.
Im not kissing anyones ass, just wanted to say thanks.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:45 PM
I would like to say that instead of *****'ing about something, we/Tned/ all of us have made great progress.
I can say just about anything I want to say on this board with out offending most. I have been guilty of a couple personal attacks, and a couple raunchy posts. I was warned, and I deserved it. Frankly I would probably have been banned at most other sites. Especially being a noob.
I do not think this is the final state of the board, but I think the tuning of it is really close to being perfect. I appreciate the work all of you guys have done, I cannot remember all involved, but I know some serious free time has been consumed.
Im not kissing anyones ass, just wanted to say thanks.
Suck-ass...:beer::D
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 05:45 PM
I'm personally offended by Clay in general. Can we ban him? TIA.
Yeah but rant threads are fun. Look how quick they grow!! You have to admit when they are finished, people actually start to get to know each other a bit better. Jody and KC lady like me now. :D I made two friends today Tred. Please, quit complaining about the rant threads...
TIA!!!!!
I didnt just start liking you TODAY...now Jody on the other hand can
be a little stubborn.:D
Tned...have I told you lately that I LOVE YOU.... :kiss:
Nope
Yes, sometimes they do...I guess I think of PG-13 as being a movie on Basic Cable (TBS, TNT...)...more than I do like Titanic where what's her name got naked, or in Robin Hood where Christian Slater's character says "**** me" when they catapult Costner over the wall. But, for the most part PG-13 is a good guide, imo.
That's the problem, different people have vastly different opinion of what is ok. What is PG13. What is sexually explicit. What is obscene.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:46 PM
I didnt just start liking you TODAY...now Jody on the other hand can
be a little stubborn.:D
Ha,,we'll work on her later...:lol:
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:48 PM
King87
Reporting a Post
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:49 PM
Woohooo!!!!!!
claymore
01-19-2008, 05:49 PM
Top SCribe, I would like to say you are my favorite Moderator. Ever. Think about it. :eek:
Ha,,we'll work on her later...:lol:
Get the Maddog ready...:D
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:50 PM
I shouldn't of done that,,lol...
claymore
01-19-2008, 05:52 PM
I shouldn't of done that,,lol...Im glad you did, I had my suspicions.
Im glad you did, I had my suspicions.
Clay..keep posting...that way I get to look at DC...:D
I shouldn't of done that,,lol...
Your probably right...:listen:
claymore
01-19-2008, 05:56 PM
Clay..keep posting...that way I get to look at DC...:D
Im thinking he has huge areolas. What are your thoughts?
Im thinking he has huge areolas. What are your thoughts?
You really don't want to know...:lol:
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:58 PM
OK, I deleted it...
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 05:59 PM
oops,. somebody quoted it,,LMAO!!!
oops,. somebody quoted it,,LMAO!!!
That would be me....:laugh:
You stalker....you and Jody should get along fine!
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 06:00 PM
That would be me....:laugh:
You stalker....you and Jody should get along fine!
I just noticed it was you...I wasn't actually stalking..Just seeing if I could catch somebody...
King87
Reporting a Post
what about this one?
I just noticed it was you...I wasn't actually stalking..Just seeing if I could catch somebody...
I deleted mine also.
and now there are a couple more to delete!:D
Ok, I always hate to do this, but I want to make sure the new comers don't have to wade through too much off topic stuff, so...
:focus:
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 06:03 PM
what about this one?
Well that one looked like I could of made it up, true? So then I went for the gusto. I think Tred would be mad if he saw I did that.
BroncoWave
01-19-2008, 06:04 PM
These are good points, and why we need to discuss, and not just do. As I see it, there are three options:
Do nothing, strictly enforce the rules, which will please the more conservative amongst us, but will displease those that feel that this message board is primarily made up of adult football fans, and they shouldn't have to constantly worry about offending the people that want a G rated forum.
Modify the rules, to allow more of anything goes message board wide, or just in "What's on your mind". This iwll please many members that think we are too prudish, but upset the many members that like the 'clean, family' environment we previously had.
Divide the chit/chat area so there is one that is G/PG and one that allows much more, and then leave all other parts of the message board (Broncos Talk, P&R, etc.) strictly moderated with very little leeway for language of an 'adult' nature.
There are probably other options, but that's how I see it.
Right now, we are pissing off both groups, those that think it should be G rated and those that think it should be R rated, so we are somewhere btween the first and second option above.
I'm all for option 3.
Well that one looked like I could of made it up, true? So then I went for the gusto. I think Tred would be mad if he saw I did that.
I don't get mad at much, but did think it could result in people saying that the ability to view that should be turned off. That's the only thing that crossed my mind.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 06:04 PM
I say leave it like it is and I'll tell myself not to post any more rant threads.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 06:05 PM
I don't get mad at much, but did think it could result in people saying that the ability to view that should be turned off. That's the only thing that crossed my mind.
Oh no, back off Tred. I like that little feature. TIA!!!!
claymore
01-19-2008, 06:07 PM
Can we all just pretend we never saw it. Cause I like that as well. you would have to be pretty lucky finding the thing in the first place.
I say leave it like it is and I'll tell myself not to post any more rant threads.
That's not completely the solution, because your not the only one with rants, and we need to address the question of what should or shouldn't be allowed.
However, if when we are done with this thread we find that most of us don't want a divided What's on your mind/lounge forum, then the next discussion we need to have is if the rules need to be relaxed across the board.
Can we all just pretend we never saw it. Cause I like that as well. you would have to be pretty lucky finding the thing in the first place.
saw what? :confused:
;)
claymore
01-19-2008, 06:15 PM
I just dont want the site R rated. I have enough problems at work, and I wouldnt get anything done the. Something along the lines of South Park esk would be OK with me.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 06:19 PM
Seriously, I think the place is fine. R rated would be a disaster in my opinion. My job is R rated. That's enough.
I just dont want the site R rated. I have enough problems at work, and I wouldnt get anything done the. Something along the lines of South Park esk would be OK with me.
I've only watched a few minutes of South Park here or there, but I know that some, maybe many, would be offended by that stuff. "Penis in mouth" "Miss Sucksondick" as examples. I also here guys at work talking about it.
That's the challenge, how do we find the ground that doesn't offend too many, but also is relaxed enough for most?
Also, to see how this would work. If you go into "User CP", and then go all the way down the left side to "Miscellaneous", you will see "Group Memberships". Click "Group Memberships", and then you will see who you would join the user group that would then allow you access to the forum. Prior to doing these steps, you would never see the forum.
I haven't created a new forum, but wanted to show people what the process would be.
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 06:24 PM
"Miss Sucksondick"
Hey! That was that poor lady's name!
Dreadnought
01-19-2008, 06:24 PM
I'm personally offended by Clay in general. Can we ban him? TIA.
NO! Clay and I are BFF! I'm working on his friendship bracelet now!
claymore
01-19-2008, 06:26 PM
I've only watched a few minutes of South Park here or there, but I know that some, maybe many, would be offended by that stuff. "Penis in mouth" "Miss Sucksondick" as examples. I also here guys at work talking about it.
That's the challenge, how do we find the ground that doesn't offend too many, but also is relaxed enough for most?
Also, to see how this would work. If you go into "User CP", and then go all the way down the left side to "Miscellaneous", you will see "Group Memberships". Click "Group Memberships", and then you will see who you would join the user group that would then allow you access to the forum. Prior to doing these steps, you would never see the forum.
I haven't created a new forum, but wanted to show people what the process would be.
Nice. Great Idea. FYI its Miss Chokesondick though. ;)
MOtorboat
01-19-2008, 06:26 PM
NO! Clay and I are BFF! I'm working on his friendship bracelet now!
Next, you can work on the diamond ring.
See this: :beer:. That's your man card.
See this: :elefant:. This is your man card on Clay.
claymore
01-19-2008, 06:27 PM
Next, you can work on the diamond ring.
See this: :beer:. That's your man card.
See this: :elefant:. This is your man card on Clay.
You cut me deep Shrek, you cut me real Deep.
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 06:28 PM
Clay, can you hang on Treds leg just a bit more today. You really need to get off of him.
Nice. Great Idea. FYI its Miss Chokesondick though. ;)
lol, ok. Like I said, I don't watch, but some friends I know talk and laugh about it.
Whatever her name is, or hobbies are, there are some that don't like that kind of humor and think is morally wrong. Hence the dilema...
claymore
01-19-2008, 06:29 PM
I've only watched a few minutes of South Park here or there, but I know that some, maybe many, would be offended by that stuff. "Penis in mouth" "Miss Sucksondick" as examples. I also here guys at work talking about it.
That's the challenge, how do we find the ground that doesn't offend too many, but also is relaxed enough for most?
Also, to see how this would work. If you go into "User CP", and then go all the way down the left side to "Miscellaneous", you will see "Group Memberships". Click "Group Memberships", and then you will see who you would join the user group that would then allow you access to the forum. Prior to doing these steps, you would never see the forum.
I haven't created a new forum, but wanted to show people what the process would be.
Is the legal blurb enough to keep you legal? Also on any porn site it states the same thing.
claymore
01-19-2008, 06:30 PM
Clay, can you hang on Treds leg just a bit more today. You really need to get off of him.I couldnt possibly. He saved my life. I owe him. :D
Bronco9798
01-19-2008, 06:31 PM
I couldnt possibly. He saved my life. I owe him. :D
You're starting to disturb me...
broncogirl7
01-19-2008, 06:34 PM
Honestly, the site is okay the way it is. Rules are rules and not really hard to follow. If one of us says something inappropriate, delete it. We know we crossed the line and won't do it again. I was in MB's thread last night and must have missed the questionable post because everything I saw was not problematic.
Public rants---probably not a good idea, maybe bring it up in a pm with a mod or TN first.
Flaming/Personal rants---this is no place for them and if I do it I expect my post to be deleted, since I am breaking an established rule. I wouldn't complain because I was wrong. I wouldn't insult the "tattle-tales" because I probably did deserve it. (I was not the one 9'nr).
Cussing-pretty lenient...what's wrong with an *****? We can certainly figure out what someone was trying to say without actually saying the word.
Sexual content---not really necessary. Silly stuff is okay, but when it becomes xxx and over-the-top...this board doesn't need it. Plenty of other sites to go to for that.
I think it would be detrimental to the board to have a seperate area for the xxx adult talk because it would further segregate the members. It will just take time for everyone to get used to each other and after all, it's been what ... a month since the influx of former Freaks? We just need time to adjust, big changes would be a mistake.
Again, JMO---
claymore
01-19-2008, 06:35 PM
You're starting to disturb me...Honestly I hope I am not or never have come across as a kiss ass. Cause I really am not. There isnt anything to gain. In these types of conversations I want to help as much as possible. I want this thing to last as long as possible.
The Freak was closed down cause it was left in the hands of somebody exactly opposite of Tned. Or In extreme different circumstances. We didnt have a chance to give input or help, and thats all I want to do.
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