PFW: NFL Draft rankings since 2003

[BOSSHOGG30]

PFWs Jan 13th edition has an 8 page spread on each teams draft since 2003 with summaries (how many on the current roster, pro bowlers etc) plus comments. Great reading for draftniks. Know any on this forum?

I don't think this can be linked, subscription stuff and all. Maybe someone more competent than me on internet stuff can figure out how to do it.

Bottom line, no surprise, is that SD is judged to have done the best job, followed by NE.

The worst? Guess. Here's the last paragraph:

"While I take no satisfaction in anointing the worst personnel department in the NFL over the past five seasons - at least as it relates to college scouting and talent evaluation - the Broncos are the winners/losers in a rout....Mike Shannahan has earned his reputation as one of the best coaches in the NFL, but it would appear to be well past the time for him to find someone else to oversee Denver's personnel department"

End of article.

[NightTrainLayne]

UGH. It's one thing to intuitively know something, but another to see it in black & white from someone who is more or less unbiased.

Bright side is that it can't get any worse. If we have the success we do with the worst talent evaluation, then if we can improve that area it can't do anything but improve our results.

Where do we find an all-star GM?

[yardog]

UGH. It's one thing to intuitively know something, but another to see it in black & white from someone who is more or less unbiased.

Bright side is that it can't get any worse. If we have the success we do with the worst talent evaluation, then if we can improve that area it can't do anything but improve our results.

Where do we find an all-star GM?

I'm not sure I would call it unbias with us being ranked below Detriot.

[MileHighWrath]

I understand that Shanahan is the "Broncos Coach For Life" but is Sundqist the GM for life or for that matter is Shanahan?

If ever there needed to be a change with-in this org. it is now (or a few years ago) and at the GM level.

[BigDaddyBronco]

I'm not sure I would call it unbias with us being ranked below Detriot.
Or Miami, lot of future stars in their drafts.

[Watchthemiddle]

I'm not sure I would call it unbias with us being ranked below Detriot.

I think it is. Detroit has talent and has drafted talent they just don't know how to use it.

Us, we don't draft talent well but try and make the most of what we have.

[LordTrychon]

Another sign of bias would be that Indy isn't placed first...

The ONE team in the league that all 22 starters have never played for another team. :eek:


THAT'S impressive.

[pnbronco]

Another sign of bias would be that Indy isn't placed first...

The ONE team in the league that all 22 starters have never played for another team. :eek:


THAT'S impressive.

I didn't realize that, it is impressive, more so than SD.

[LordTrychon]

I didn't realize that, it is impressive, more so than SD.

I just went to see if I could find a link... but the place I'd seen it was someone posting that they'd heard it on the radio....


So you'll just have to take my word that I trust somebody else to not be lying about what a radio said was true.


QED

[DenBronx]

I think it's time to move Sunquist out of here. Sunquist has been a yes man to Shanahan over the years concerning personel decisions. I think we need a guy that can seriously evaluate talent.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

You blame TEd for being a yes man?? Shanny makes the GM decisions dude. Anybody tthat comes in here will have the title but Shanny will over ride any decision the titled GM makes. Shanny needs to have his GM duties trashed and just let Ted do his job 100%.

[MHCBill]

You blame TEd for being a yes man?? Shanny makes the GM decisions dude. Anybody tthat comes in here will have the title but Shanny will over ride any decision the titled GM makes. Shanny needs to have his GM duties trashed and just let Ted do his job 100%.

Because your so well informed of the inner workings of the organization.

[Broncolingus]

...and this is news to anyone where?

I will say, however, that while I've never been impressed by Denvers excellence in drafting year after year, Denver has generally over the years fielded competitive teams, so it's tough to be overly critical.

[Skinny]

Did'nt S.D. have the #1 pick in 04'?? There's a reason why some teams Draft well.

Though Denver is usually not one of them ... the last 2 Drafts have produced ...

[AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY]

who drafted Cutler, Marshall, dumervil, Williams, DA Williams, Foxworth, Wilson, Gold, Foxworth, Paymah, Kennedy, Hayward, Nalen, Hamilton, Scheffler, Pryce?

Fact is Shanahan isnt the worst drafter and has had some good drafts especially the last 3 drafts.

2006 draft was A+++++

[jhns]

who drafted Cutler, Marshall, dumervil, Williams, DA Williams, Foxworth, Wilson, Gold, Foxworth, Paymah, Kennedy, Hayward, Nalen, Hamilton, Scheffler, Pryce?

Fact is Shanahan isnt the worst drafter and has had some good drafts especially the last 3 drafts.

2006 draft was A+++++

This is why I don't get why people are crying about this so much now. A couple of years ago it might have made sense but to me, we have been getting far better at drafting. Granted we will now have to wait a couple of years for these good drafts to show, but it is still happening. It isn't like we are still drafting the Clerrett type player still. We are actually getting some studs. Like you said, look at the 2006 draft. Just the top 4 rounds produced some big names for us.

I just don't get how people can say all of these last three drafts are so bad that we need to fire and take responsibilities away from people. They instead are basing it on our drafting of 4+ years ago, like that makes sense.

[BOSSHOGG30]

who drafted Cutler, Marshall, dumervil, Williams, DA Williams, Foxworth, Wilson, Gold, Foxworth, Paymah, Kennedy, Hayward, Nalen, Hamilton, Scheffler, Pryce?

Fact is Shanahan isnt the worst drafter and has had some good drafts especially the last 3 drafts.

2006 draft was A+++++

That list is nothing compared to the bust he drafted.

[BigDaddyBronco]

That list is nothing compared to the bust he drafted.
Hold that thought, I got to go get my Goose on.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

People frown about past drafts because it has an impact on what we're doing now. Secondly, Denver may have had some good drafts over the past few years (2006 is the only one you can really say that) - but that's not everything. Denver has a nasty habit of not signing the good players they draft; and the cycle of indecision and poor decision making continues.

When it comes to the draft, the Broncos over the past decade have been terrible.

We're seeing some improvement, and I think that's finally because Shanahan realizes the importance and the value the draft can bring to the franchise. Yeah, 2006 was epic, but we can't just have one of those every 12 years he's coaching. We need to find ways where we can get several impact players each year. Two at the minimum. Why? Because it balances it out with the players we're going to lose.

Denver has two high picks this year, plus six day two selections (two fours, two fives and two sevens) -- I'd expect them to get back into the third and maybe add another selection or two. I'd be extremely disappointed if Denver couldn't land a couple of franchise guys in this year's draft with the crop of talent and where they're sitting.

[G_Money]

The Broncos have have one great draft class in the last 8: 2006.

Now luckily, that was the one we NEEDED to get right.

The last 10 years of Broncos drafts:


Bold = Still w/ the Broncos

1998 Draft
1 (30, 30) - Marcus Nash, Tennessee
2 (31, 61) - Eric Brown, Mississippi State
3 (30, 91) - Brian Griese, Michigan
4 (30, 122) - Curtis Alexander, Alabama
5 (30, 153) - Chris Howard, Michigan
7 (11, 200) - Trey Teague, Tennessee
7 (30, 219) - Nate Wayne, Mississippi

1999 Draft
1 (31, 31) - Al Wilson, Tennessee
2 (27, 58) - Montae Reagor, Texas Tech
2 (30, 61) - Lennie Friedman, Duke
3 (6, 67) - Chris Watson, Eastern Illinois
3 (32, 93) - Travis McGriff, Florida
4 (32, 127) - Olandis Gary, Georgia
5 (25, 158) - David Bowens, Western Illinois
5 (34, 167) - Darwin Brown, Texas Tech
6 (10, 179) - Desmond Clark, Wake Forest
6 (35, 204) - Chad Plummer, Cincinnati
7 (12, 218) - Billy Miller, USC
7 (32, 238) - Justin Swift, Kansas State

2000 Draft
1 (15, 15) - Deltha O'Neal, California
2 (9, 40) - Ian Gold, Michigan
2 (14, 45) - Kenoy Kennedy, Arkansas
3 (8, 70) - Chris Cole, Texas A&M
4 (7, 101) - Jerry Johnson, Florida State
4 (18, 112) - Cooper Carlisle, Florida
5 (25, 154) - Muneer Moore, Richmond
6 (23, 189) - Mike Anderson, Utah
7 (8, 214) - Jarious Jackson, Notre Dame
7 (40, 246) - Leroy Fields, Jackson State

2001 Draft
1 (24, 24) - Willie Middlebrooks, Minnesota
2 (20, 51) - Paul Toviessi, Marshall
3 (25, 87) - Reggie Hayward, Iowa State
4 (18, 113) - Ben Hamilton, Minnesota
4 (25, 120) - Nick Harris, California
6 (27, 190) - Kevin Kasper, Iowa

2002 Draft
1 (19, 19) - Ashley Lelie, Hawaii
2 (19, 51) - Clinton Portis, Miami (FL)
3 (31, 96) - Dorsett Davis, Mississippi State
4 (33, 131) - Sam Brandon, UNLV
5 (9, 144) - Herb Haygood, Michigan State
6 (19, 191) - Jeb Putzier, Boise State
7 (17, 228) - Chris Young, Georgia Tech
7 (20, 231) - Monsanto Pope, Virginia


2003 Draft
1 (20, 20) - George Foster, Georgia
2 (19, 51) - Terry Pierce, Kansas State
4 (11, 108) - Quentin Griffin, Oklahoma
4 (17, 114) - Nicholas Eason, Clemson
4 (31, 128) - Bryant McNeal, Clemson
5 (22, 157) - Ben Claxton, Mississippi
5 (23, 158) - Adrian Madise, Texas Christian
6 (21, 194) - Aaron Hunt, Texas Tech
7 (13, 227) - Clint Mitchell, Florida
7 (21, 235) - Ahmaad Galloway, Alabama

2004 Draft
1 (17, 17) - D.J. Williams, Miami (FL)
2 (9, 41) - Tatum Bell, Oklahoma State
2 (22, 54) - Darius Watts, Marshall
3 (22, 85) - Jeremy LeSueur, Michigan
5 (20, 152) - Jeff Shoate, San Diego State
6 (6, 171) - Triandos Luke, Alabama
6 (25, 190) - Josh Sewell, Nebraska
7 (24, 225) - Matt Mauck, Louisiana State
7 (46, 247) - Brandon Miree, Pittsburgh
7 (49, 250) - Bradlee Van Pelt, Colorado State

2005 Draft
2 (24, 56) - Darrent Williams, Oklahoma State
3 (12, 76) - Karl Paymah, Washington State
3 (33, 97) - Domonique Foxworth, Maryland
3 (37, 101) - Maurice Clarett, Ohio State
6 (26, 200) - Chris Myers, Miami (FL)
7 (25, 239) - Paul Ernster, Northern Arizona


2006 Draft
1 (11, 11) - Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
2 (29, 61) - Tony Scheffler, Western Michigan
4 (22, 119) - Brandon Marshall, Central Florida
4 (29, 126) - Elvis Dumervil, Louisville
4 (33, 130) - Domenik Hixon, Akron
5 (29, 161) - Chris Kuper, North Dakota
6 (29, 198) - Greg Eslinger, Minnesota

Yes, 2006 has been a pretty good draft so far...

2007 Draft
1 17 (17) Jarvis Moss, Florida
2 24 (56) Tim Crowder, Texas
3 6 (70) Ryan Harris, Notre Dame
4 22 (121) Marcus Thomas, Florida

Too early to tell. Still, we should keep a couple from this draft for a while.

So: 2000 was okay at the time (got Coop, Ian and Mike Anderson out of it, all contributors and starters at one point).

2003 and 2004 made for A LOT of wasted picks, with only DJ surviving.

2005 got us some depth, but with the loss of Darrent sadly no starters.

2006 looks like a goldmine even with the release of Hixon and Eslinger's inability to stay on the roster.

And 2007 is the great unknown. I mean, it's entirely possible that nobody from the '07 draft works out. Moss, Crowder, Thomas and Harris could all bust - we just don't know yet. Maybe instead they'll all be Pro-Bowlers, but right now those guys are playing our positions of need in the '08 draft (OL and DL) so that makes it hard to call that draft a success just yet.

1998-2004 draft class members on 2007 team:

2000: Ian Gold
2001: Ben Hamilton
2004: DJ Williams

That's 3.

3 more from 2005 (though at least one of those will likely be gone next year). And then we're still holding onto the classes of 06 and 07 currently, though the 7 current starters from the two most recent classes are certainly promising.

You could include Clinton Portis, I suppose, since we traded him for Champ and Champ is still here - but I didn't.

The Pats, from 1998-2004:

Kevin Faulk
Tom Brady
Matt Light
Richard Seymour
Jarvis Green
Dan Koppen
Asante Samuel
Eugene Wilson
Ty Warren
Vince Wilfork
Ben Watson
Marquise Hill

I'm sure I'm missing some, but that's at least a dozen.

The Colts?

I don't have time to do another one for them, but here's a quote from the SB hype in January:


Of the 22 Indianapolis starters in the AFC Championship Game, 17 were Colts draft picks, including eight who were selected in the first round.

Among others, that first-round total includes Manning, Harrison, Glenn, Wayne, defensive end Dwight Freeney and tight end Dallas Clark.

Four other Colts starters never have appeared in an NFL game for a team other than Indianapolis:

• Guard Ryan Lilja was claimed off waivers in 2004 as a rookie from the Kansas City Chiefs.

• Center Jeff Saturday was signed as a rookie after he was released by the Baltimore Ravens.

• Defensive tackle Raheem Brock was selected by the Philadelphia Eagles in the seventh round of the 2002 draft before they surrendered his draft rights that year.

• Cornerback Nick Harper played one season in the Canadian Football League before signing with the Colts.

That leaves defensive tackle Anthony McFarland as the only veteran free agent in the team's lineup.

I haven't done this for everyone. I'm pretty sure we're ahead of the Dolphins:


Of the 58 players drafted or acquired using their draft picks between 1998-2003, not one is on the Dolphins' 53-man roster today.

But that doesn't mean we're doing well.

It's not just keeping the guys - as the Colts quote says, 17 of their 22 picks are STARTERS. Not just on the team in some sort of special-teams role, but starters.

We can do much better than we have. Hopefully the last couple of drafts have us going in the right direction, but this draft needs to be more starters (and impact starters) and fewer circa-2003-level mistakes.

~G

[LRtagger]

Perhaps it is a combination of our selections AND the inability to coach selected players. It must be very difficult for a young player to not only have to adjust to play and life in the NFL, but also have to adjust to a new scheme and new coaching staff every year.

I still cant believe we wasted a 3rd on Maurice Clarett.

Heres a list of some players that were selected in the 05 draft AFTER we selected Clarett (sorry, but I still fume everytime I think about that draft).

Marion Barber - Dal (Pro Bowler)...I just want to point out that Barber was the next RB picked after Clarett (7 picks later). We could have easily passed on Clarett and picked Barber who was the best RB on the board at the time. We would be leaps and bounds in a better position at this point had we not made the huge mistake on Clarett. We wouldn't have wasted what we did bringing Henry in here and we would have a solid, young, pro-bowl running back in Denver.
Brandon Jacobs - NYG...the next pick after Barber. 1000 yard rusher in 07.
Jerome Mathis - Hou (Pro Bowler)
Darren Sproles - SD
Fred Gibson - Pit
Chris Canty - Dal
Trent Cole - Phi
Bo Scaife - Ten
Derek Anderson - Bal
Hamza Abdullah - TB (now a Bronco)

etc etc etc

Not to mention the several talented OL that were drafted after Clarett. Makes me sick to my stomach to think about. I know its easy to look back 2 years later and pick out the players you passed on that are now making an impact...but did anyone SERIOUSLY think that Clarett was going to be an impact player in the NFL?? We picked him in the THIRD ROUND. I can see taking a chance on a guy and picking him in the 5th or 6th, but the THIRD? There were plenty of talented players still on the board that weren't risks.

IMO that article is spot on. We suck on draft day as much as we suck in the redzone.

[Lonestar]

One just have to wonder if they would have went back to 1995 and looked at all the busts where mickey would rank..

Had the last two drafts been better I wonder at his rankings..

But the real world is looking at us.

PAT it is time for a professional GM. No more yes men that report to mikey..

[Lonestar]

Perhaps it is a combination of our selections AND the inability to coach selected players. It must be very difficult for a young player to not only have to adjust to play and life in the NFL, but also have to adjust to a new scheme and new coaching staff every year.

I still cant believe we wasted a 3rd on Maurice Clarett.

Heres a list of some players that were selected in the 05 draft AFTER we selected Clarett (sorry, but I still fume everytime I think about that draft).

Marion Barber - Dal (Pro Bowler)...I just want to point out that Barber was the next RB picked after Clarett (7 picks later). We could have easily passed on Clarett and picked Barber who was the best RB on the board at the time. We would be leaps and bounds in a better position at this point had we not made the huge mistake on Clarett. We wouldn't have wasted what we did bringing Henry in here and we would have a solid, young, pro-bowl running back in Denver.
Brandon Jacobs - NYG...the next pick after Barber. 1000 yard rusher in 07.
Jerome Mathis - Hou (Pro Bowler)
Darren Sproles - SD
Fred Gibson - Pit
Chris Canty - Dal
Trent Cole - Phi
Bo Scaife - Ten
Derek Anderson - Bal
Hamza Abdullah - TB (now a Bronco)

etc etc etc

Not to mention the several talented OL that were drafted after Clarett. Makes me sick to my stomach to think about. I know its easy to look back 2 years later and pick out the players you passed on that are now making an impact...but did anyone SERIOUSLY think that Clarett was going to be an impact player in the NFL?? We picked him in the THIRD ROUND. I can see taking a chance on a guy and picking him in the 5th or 6th, but the THIRD? There were plenty of talented players still on the board that weren't risks.

IMO that article is spot on. We suck on draft day as much as we suck in the redzone.

Great post welcome to Our forum..


With all the hype that Jerry Jones really wanted Claretta, but since he was gone he had to settle on Barber..

He who laughs last!!!!

[Lonestar]

can someone with access cut and paste the article into the forum..

[BigDaddyBronco]

The Pats, from 1998-2004:

Kevin Faulk
Tom Brady
Matt Light
Richard Seymour
Jarvis Green
Dan Koppen
Asante Samuel
Eugene Wilson
Ty Warren
Vince Wilfork
Ben Watson
Marquise Hill

I'm sure I'm missing some, but that's at least a dozen.



~G

I think Marquise Hill is dead, died in a jetski accident or something.

Point well taken.

If only Shanny could trade away the team. Did pretty good on the Portis - Champ and the Foster, T. Bell - Bly trades.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

The Broncos have have one great draft class in the last 8: 2006.

Now luckily, that was the one we NEEDED to get right.

The last 10 years of Broncos drafts:



So: 2000 was okay at the time (got Coop, Ian and Mike Anderson out of it, all contributors and starters at one point).

2003 and 2004 made for A LOT of wasted picks, with only DJ surviving.

2005 got us some depth, but with the loss of Darrent sadly no starters.

2006 looks like a goldmine even with the release of Hixon and Eslinger's inability to stay on the roster.

And 2007 is the great unknown. I mean, it's entirely possible that nobody from the '07 draft works out. Moss, Crowder, Thomas and Harris could all bust - we just don't know yet. Maybe instead they'll all be Pro-Bowlers, but right now those guys are playing our positions of need in the '08 draft (OL and DL) so that makes it hard to call that draft a success just yet.

1998-2004 draft class members on 2007 team:

2000: Ian Gold
2001: Ben Hamilton
2004: DJ Williams

That's 3.

3 more from 2005 (though at least one of those will likely be gone next year). And then we're still holding onto the classes of 06 and 07 currently, though the 7 current starters from the two most recent classes are certainly promising.

You could include Clinton Portis, I suppose, since we traded him for Champ and Champ is still here - but I didn't.

The Pats, from 1998-2004:

Kevin Faulk
Tom Brady
Matt Light
Richard Seymour
Jarvis Green
Dan Koppen
Asante Samuel
Eugene Wilson
Ty Warren
Vince Wilfork
Ben Watson
Marquise Hill

I'm sure I'm missing some, but that's at least a dozen.

The Colts?

I don't have time to do another one for them, but here's a quote from the SB hype in January:



I haven't done this for everyone. I'm pretty sure we're ahead of the Dolphins:



But that doesn't mean we're doing well.

It's not just keeping the guys - as the Colts quote says, 17 of their 22 picks are STARTERS. Not just on the team in some sort of special-teams role, but starters.

We can do much better than we have. Hopefully the last couple of drafts have us going in the right direction, but this draft needs to be more starters (and impact starters) and fewer circa-2003-level mistakes.

~G


looking at that list of our drafts makes me sick.

[Lonestar]

looking at that list of our drafts makes me sick.

One wonders why it does not make Pat Bowlen sick..

How many millions of dollars flushed down the toilet, for several guesses each year?



Not counting how much money is wasted in scouting and evaluating them..

[Watchthemiddle]

Although our failure to draft well consistently has cost us in the past, I believe that compounded with the revolving assistant coaching door hasn't helped either.

THese young players need consistency to lead and develop them. We don't see that here.

[Lonestar]

Although our failure to draft well consistently has cost us in the past, I believe that compounded with the revolving assistant coaching door hasn't helped either.

THese young players need consistency to lead and develop them. We don't see that here.

actually I think the assistant HC duties that both Bate and hummer had actually made the last two years choice worth a damn.

Without hummer mikey may not have looked real hard at Jay.. Without bates NO way I repeat NO way we get 3 out of 4 picks on DL..

[AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY]

That list is nothing compared to the bust he drafted.

oh sorry that shanahan isnt perfect and cant draft a stud with each and every pick.

[Lonestar]

oh sorry that shanahan isnt perfect and cant draft a stud with each and every pick.

with his previous draft record he is FAR from perfect..

He might be improving but that remains to be seen.

[AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY]

Denver doesnt have all of its players because we had to let some of our good players go because of salary cap and health.

For example Al wilson and reggie hayward.

[AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY]

with his previous draft record he is FAR from perfect..

He might be improving but that remains to be seen.

so you expect him to draft a superstar with every pick or something. The draft is mostly about luck.

[Lonestar]

Denver doesnt have all of its players because we had to let some of our good players go because of salary cap and health.

For example Al wilson and reggie hayward.

We have lost very few if any of our drafted players because of initial draft contracts..

Al Wilson was cut because he was injured. Hayward was just another stupid mistake by Mikey. He was beyond dumb for not resigning him before he was a UFA.,


so you expect him to draft a superstar with every pick or something. The draft is mostly about luck.


DO not tell New England that as they are the masters in being lucky.. AS is SAN.. They have REAL GM'S that make those "lucky" choices. It is HIGH time that DEN gets "Lucky".. Fire Mikey as GM and hire a pro.

[AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY]

We have lost very few if any of our drafted players because of initial draft contracts..

Al Wilson was cut because he was injured. Hayward was just another stupid mistake by Mikey. He was beyond dumb for not resigning him before he was a UFA.,




DO not tell New England that as they are the masters in being lucky.. AS is SAN.. They have REAL GM'S that make those "lucky" choices. It is HIGH time that DEN gets "Lucky".. Fire Mikey as GM and hire a pro.

We also lost kennoy kennedy, mike anderson, pryce, and others.

And the chargers have safer picks because they draft high. Merriman, Rivers, LT were high choices.
Denver usually doesnt have the luxory of sucking enough for a high pick and thats a good thing.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

SD is impressive cuz they were able to take advantage of other dumbass GMs who were willing to give away pix for overrated talent such as Vick and Eli. I actually do like Eli, but he and Rivers were a toss up at #1...and NYG gave too much away for such little of a digfference...don't even need to get into details of the Atlanta deal...

[Dreadnought]

who drafted Cutler, Marshall, dumervil, Williams, DA Williams, Foxworth, Wilson, Gold, Foxworth, Paymah, Kennedy, Hayward, Nalen, Hamilton, Scheffler, Pryce?

Fact is Shanahan isnt the worst drafter and has had some good drafts especially the last 3 drafts.

2006 draft was A+++++

Yeah, I think this is an excellent point. 2003 - 2005 look flat out dreadful. Bottom of the barrel, no question. 2006 looks to be one of our alltime best. 2007? Jury is out, but it may be OK. Of course, only time will really tell on 2006, but Cutler, Scheffler, Dumervil, and Marshall in one go-round is pretty freakin' impressive.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Some of those names are prior to 03 and some are hardly worth noting.

[AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY]

Some of those names are prior to 03 and some are hardly worth noting.

like who?

[Dreadnought]

Look on the bright side. Once upon a time we traded two Number 1 picks for this stiff.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff211/Lundbergm/Tensi.jpg

[MHCBill]

SD is impressive cuz they were able to take advantage of other dumbass GMs who were willing to give away pix for overrated talent such as Vick and Eli. I actually do like Eli, but he and Rivers were a toss up at #1...and NYG gave too much away for such little of a digfference...don't even need to get into details of the Atlanta deal...
Closet Chokers Fan???

[mclark]

Claret was a 6th or 7th round speculative pick at best. I hear Dallas had their eye on him, so Shanny took him early. Well, that's a pretty good bluff by Dallas.

[Lonestar]

Claret was a 6th or 7th round speculative pick at best. I hear Dallas had their eye on him, so Shanny took him early. Well, that's a pretty good bluff by Dallas.+

mikey could have had Marion Barber with that pick and let DAL take claretta..

IMO mikey lusts after certain players and many times reaches for them..

In the past I'd watch the draft and be shocked as did all the commentators when our choice was announced..

Most of the time they would almost to a man comment about this or that player was a round or two behind where we actually took them..

There simply is no other explanation for his drafting in the past. I believe with all my heart that the scouting department gave him and the coaches valid data on times and stats along with film on them and reasonably rated the players. Then the coaches rated them and mikey had the final say. how else can you explain some of the picks? Other than that, the scouting dept let him down?

If that was the case then he should have fired them and started over.

The only two good to great drafts we have had have been the past two.. Last years when we took 3 DL types at the direction of Jim Bates. Because we all know that Mikey suddenly did not see the light..

Same goes for 2006 draft when we took Jay, I believe this was because Humdinger had been watching this kid while living next door to Vanderbilt while coaching at TEN. I now believe he was the prime mover in him coming to DEN.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

One wonders why it does not make Pat Bowlen sick..

How many millions of dollars flushed down the toilet, for several guesses each year?



Not counting how much money is wasted in scouting and evaluating them..

I think pat Bowlen has been wayyyyyyyyy to grateful and patient with Shanny just because of the SB's Shanny won years ago. Thats the problem.