Anyone else think Atlanta will gum up the works...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

and NOT draft a QB in round 1? From where they are sitting, they will get 2 of the top 34 picks. I think they can definitely gamble and pass up a QB in round 1 and still land either Brohm or Woodson in the second round.

A) These QBs aren't very highly touted

B) They have a bunch of holes to fill

C) Are there really 3 teams who need QBs in round 1? Baltimore may just be content with giving Troy Smith a shot. The Jets will likely go another route. Delhomme is expected to be back in carolina.

D) Free Agent QBs should have some name power. McNabb may be out of Philly. The Browns MAY be shopping Quinn. Grossman, Culpepper, etc.

I really think they screw everything up and take a McFadden or one of the Longs. This possibility, along w/ Animal and OSU's Jenkins staying in school may put us just out of reach of the studs we may covet.

[BigDaddyBronco]

Well they got the Patriots head of college scouting as their new GM, so they will probably draft pretty well.

The more I look at it I'm pretty sure we'll not have the option to get one of the guys we want at #12. They'll either trade up or down (hopefully down).

Shanny don't screw this one up, you don't get many chances to draft this high.

[G_Money]

Atlanta needs name power.

They lost Vick, and that leaves them with...um...

Yeah...

But Reggie Bush's face-plant in the pros may convince them that spending a pick that high on a RB - especially in a draft LOADED with em - might not be the smartest move. All-Day AP is an argument for the other side, but McFadden is more a special-use back like Bush (or at least has been used that way in college). I don't expect McFadden to go there, but they could decide that selling the name on the back of the jersey is more important.

They have needs everywhere, so whomever they draft in the first will fill one of those needs. Either of the Longs, or Dorsey, or...jeez, whomever. That job really sucks.

We could very seriously move back in the 1st. I wouldn't mind it. It depends on who we pick, but the idea doesn't bother me. We have a lot of holes to fill too. If the guy you'd take at 12 will be there at 18, then by all means try to get back to 18.

~G

[SmilinAssasSin27]

yeah...I think that dude will realize 1 of the 3 can be had at #34. Those Pats guys aren't dumb.

[mclark]

I'm glad we're not looking for a qb in this draft. I don't really believe in the ones I've seen.

[WARHORSE]

If I were in Atlanta, the first thing Id do is start with the defense. The guys who were pulling the strings prior to my being there brought in Harrington and Leftwich.

So am I gonna spend my top pick on a QB that Im not sure is gonna pan out? Id rather trade down and pick at lesser risk areas. Areas where if things dont pan out, I dont get killed by dead money contracts.

The safest pick at the top imo is LT. If by chance, I have Jake Long rated at the top of my board at the position, and I choose him. The worst he will be is a dominating guard.

They selected Jamaal Anderson last year, and like Mario Williams, I think that pick will pay off more this coming year. If Dorsey is there, hes mine.

McFadden? No way. Not in your life time. Not after I picked another hoodlum and payed him boocoo monies to commit crimes on the side.

Without a franchise QB, the team needs Oline and defense to win. You gotta pound the rock.

Trade down Atlanta.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

and NOT draft a QB in round 1? From where they are sitting, they will get 2 of the top 34 picks. I think they can definitely gamble and pass up a QB in round 1 and still land either Brohm or Woodson in the second round.

A) These QBs aren't very highly touted

B) They have a bunch of holes to fill

C) Are there really 3 teams who need QBs in round 1? Baltimore may just be content with giving Troy Smith a shot. The Jets will likely go another route. Delhomme is expected to be back in carolina.

D) Free Agent QBs should have some name power. McNabb may be out of Philly. The Browns MAY be shopping Quinn. Grossman, Culpepper, etc.

I really think they screw everything up and take a McFadden or one of the Longs. This possibility, along w/ Animal and OSU's Jenkins staying in school may put us just out of reach of the studs we may covet.

LLS @ woodson going in the 2nd round dude.... Sheesh, How can the best QB in the draft go in the 2nd round??

[WARHORSE]

LLS @ woodson going in the 2nd round dude.... Sheesh, How can the best QB in the draft go in the 2nd round??

Ryan is the best.:coffee:


;)

[TXBRONC]

and NOT draft a QB in round 1? From where they are sitting, they will get 2 of the top 34 picks. I think they can definitely gamble and pass up a QB in round 1 and still land either Brohm or Woodson in the second round.

A) These QBs aren't very highly touted

B) They have a bunch of holes to fill

C) Are there really 3 teams who need QBs in round 1? Baltimore may just be content with giving Troy Smith a shot. The Jets will likely go another route. Delhomme is expected to be back in carolina.

D) Free Agent QBs should have some name power. McNabb may be out of Philly. The Browns MAY be shopping Quinn. Grossman, Culpepper, etc.

I really think they screw everything up and take a McFadden or one of the Longs. This possibility, along w/ Animal and OSU's Jenkins staying in school may put us just out of reach of the studs we may covet.

Sure it's possible, we don't know for sure what the other 11 teams ahead of us will do. Even so if you're thinking we might have a shot McFadden I don't. I doubt falls out of the top 10 and the same with Jake Long.

[Stargazer]

I really think they screw everything up and take a McFadden or one of the Longs. This possibility, along w/ Animal and OSU's Jenkins staying in school may put us just out of reach of the studs we may covet.

I really don't see how Atlanta screws up the draft by selecting DMac or the Longs when the QB's coming out this year aren't elite prospects to begin with.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

woodson is elite ande falcs cant pass on him.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I really don't see how Atlanta screws up the draft by selecting DMac or the Longs when the QB's coming out this year aren't elite prospects to begin with.

I didn't say it would screw up THEIR draft. I said it would screw up THE draft...as in leave less for us at 12 cuz we are NOT taking a QB.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

woodson is elite ande falcs cant pass on him.

He'll be the 3rd one to go.

[Broncolingus]

No...

A grenade went off under that team this year - figuratively speaking.

It’ll be years before they can affect anything…

[Cleveland Rocks]

The Browns MAY be shopping Quinn.

I highly doubt that.

QB's go down to injury all the time. Plus, who is to say that Anderson wasn't a '1-year wonder'? He sure threw a lot of interceptions last year. It would be extremely stupid to trade away Quinn because if they happen to trade Quinn and Anderson proves himself to be a '1-year wonder' then in 2009 the Browns will have to draft yet another QB. Now instead of messing with the future like that - it would be far smarter to keep Quinn.

[G_Money]

The Browns are gonna do what the Chargers did with Drew Brees and Philip Rivers: keep both of them for a couple of years, hope one of them bombs completely, and if neither do then get rid of one.

I'd hate to be a team looking for a top-3 QB out of Ryan, Brohm and Woodson this year though - that's sort of like having the understudy instead of the actual star from every type of QB in the '06 draft.

Better get the right guy...

~G

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I highly doubt that.

QB's go down to injury all the time. Plus, who is to say that Anderson wasn't a '1-year wonder'? He sure threw a lot of interceptions last year. It would be extremely stupid to trade away Quinn because if they happen to trade Quinn and Anderson proves himself to be a '1-year wonder' then in 2009 the Browns will have to draft yet another QB. Now instead of messing with the future like that - it would be far smarter to keep Quinn.

but the Browns have never been that smart.

[Cleveland Rocks]

but the Browns have never been that smart.

Yes they have.

You obviously just want to smack talk and not use any factual information.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

ATL WILL take AW

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Yes they have.

You obviously just want to smack talk and not use any factual information.

I live here...they have made some BAD decision both in the draft and in FA. Maybe they truly are cursed, but their decisions have hardly worked til now...and the jury is out on how they handle the QB thing.

[Cleveland Rocks]

I live here...they have made some BAD decision both in the draft and in FA. Maybe they truly are cursed, but their decisions have hardly worked til now...and the jury is out on how they handle the QB thing.

Butch Davis and Carmen Policy did.

Butch Davis and Carmen Policy are no longer with the Browns. Phil Savage is the one calling the shots and has been for a few years now and has done very well with his decision making. He has brought in tremendous, talented players. He has drafted young talented players. He is not Butch Davis who drafted everybody from Miami he could get his hands on.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Butch Davis and Carmen Policy did.

Butch Davis and Carmen Policy are no longer with the Browns. Phil Savage is the one calling the shots and has been for a few years now and has done very well with his decision making. He has brought in tremendous, talented players. He has drafted young talented players. He is not Butch Davis who drafted everybody from Miami he could get his hands on.

Other than James jackson (if I remember his name right) who did he draft from the U? Gerard Warren, was a Gator. There were also 1st round Nittany Lions and Giolden Eagles under his regime.

[Cleveland Rocks]

Other than James jackson (if I remember his name right) who did he draft from the U? Gerard Warren, was a Gator. There were also 1st round Nittany Lions and Giolden Eagles under his regime.

Joaquin Gonzalez
James Jackson
Andre King
Kellen Winslow

I'm sure there were a few undrafted players he signed as well. Plus, Davis chose to ignore team needs and only draft linemen in the latter rounds rather than addressing the issue.

Here are Davis' drafts:

2001
Round Player Position University Notes
1 Warren, Gerard DT Florida [3rd]
2 Morgan, Quincy WR Kansas State [33rd]
3 Jackson, James RB Miami (Fla) [65th]
4 Henry, Anthony DB South Florida [97th]
5 Pharms, Jeremiah LB Washington [134th]
6 Jameson, Michael DB Texas A&M [165th]
7a Zukauskas, Paul OL Boston College [203rd]
7b King, Andre WR Miami (Fla) [245th] compensatory selection

2002
Round Player Position University Notes
1 Green, William RB Boston College [16th overall]
2 Davis, Andreí WR Virginia Tech [47th]
3 Fowler, Melvin OL Maryland [76th]
4a Bentley, Kevin LB Northwestern [101st]
4b Taylor, Ben LB Virginia Tech [111th]
4c Sanders, Darnell TE Ohio State [122nd]
5 Davis, Andra LB Florida [141st]
7 Gonzalez, Joaquin OL Miami (Fla) [227th]

2003
Round Player Position University Notes
1 Faine, Jeff C Notre Dame [21st overall]
2 Thompson, Chaun LB West Texas A&M [52nd]
3 Crocker, Chris DB Marshall [84th]
4 Suggs, Lee, Jr. RB Virginia Tech [115th]
5a Pontbriand, Ryan LS Rice [142nd]choice acquired from Minnesota
5b Lehan, Michael DB Minnesota [152nd]
6 Garay, Antonio DE Boston College [195th]

2004
Round Player Position University Notes
1 Winslow, Kellen TE Miami Choice traded to Detroit along with Browns 2nd round choice for the Lions first-round choice [6th overall]
2 Jones, Sean S Georgia [59th] Browns choice traded to Detroit (see above), choice [59th] acquired from Indianapolis, and the Colts fifth round choice for the Browns 2004 third round, fifth-round and sixth round choices
3 Browns choice traded to Indianapolis see above
4 McCown, Luke QB Louisiana Tech [106th]
5 Gordon, Amon DL Stanford Browns choice traded to Indianapolis see above, choice acquired from Indianapolis, [161st]
6 Chambers, Kirk OL Stanford Browns choice traded to Indianapolis see above, choice [176th] acquired from Buffalo in 2003 trade for TE Mark Campbell,
7 Echemandu, Adimchinobe RB California [208th]

Other than Winslow, Jones, Davis, Pontbriand, and Henry. There are no players that impacted the Browns in a positive way. Suggs was always injured. Green couldn't stop smoking Mary Jane.

Then Policy? His drafts? Blech!!

1999
Round Player Position University Notes
1 Couch, Tim QB Kentucky [1st overall]
2a Johnson, Kevin WR Syracuse [32nd]
2b Abdullah, Rahim LB Clemson [45th]
3a McCutcheon, Daylon DB Southern California [62nd]
3b Smith, Marquis DB California [78th]
4a Choice traded to San Francisco along with the Browns’ first pick in the 5th round for QB Ty Detmer and the 49ers’ 4th round pick
4b Choice traded to San Francisco for FB Marc Edwards
4c Rainer, Wali LB Virginia [124th] Choice from San Francisco, see 4a
5a Choice traded to San Francisco, see 4a
5b Chiaverini, Darrin WR Colorado [148th]
6a Choice traded to Seattle for the Seahawks’ 6th round pick and the Patriots’ 6th round pick through Seattle
6b Spriggs, Marcus DT Troy State [174th] Choice acquired from Chicago for the Browns’ 2nd selection in the 6th round and the Browns’ 2nd and 3rd selections in the 7th round
6c Ogle, Kendall LB Maryland [187th] Choice from Seattle, see 6a
6d Dearth, James TE Tarleton State [191st] Choice from Seattle, see 6a
7a Hill, Madre RB Arkansas [207th]
7b Choice traded to Chicago, see 6b
7c Choice traded to Chicago, see 6b

2000
Round Player Position University Notes
1 Brown, Courtney DE Penn State [1st overall]
2 Northcutt, Dennis WR Arizona [32nd]
3a Prentice, Travis RB Miami (Ohio) [63rd]
3b Dawson, JaJuan WR Tulane [79th]
4a Sanders, Lewis CB Maryland [95th]
4b Shea, Aaron TE Michigan [110th]
5a Malbrough, Anthony DB Texas Tech [130th]
5b Chapman, Lamar DB Kansas State [146th]
6a Wynn, Spergon QB Southwest Texas State [183rd]
6b Bedell, Brad OL Colorado [206th]
7a Savea, Manuia OL Arizona [207th]
7b Chandler, Eric DL Jackson State [209th]choice acquired from Chicago for the Brownsí 2nd and 3rd selections in the 7th round
7c Barnes, Rashidi S Colorado [225th]choice from Chicago, see 7b

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I wouldn't say looking at that, that he drafted all Miami players. He drafted 4...one of which was kind of a no brainer.


Still...I stick to my opinion that they need to show me better decision making over the long term before I am a believer. I am far from a Cleveland hater. Actually I HATE the Steelers w/ every fiber of my being, but I still live here and know how bad it's been...regardless of who was in charge.