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ChampWJ
01-09-2008, 11:37 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3189580

Come back Al!!!

Bronco4ever
01-09-2008, 11:43 PM
Dang I hope we didn't fudge our chances with him by trying to trade him last offseason. It'd be nice to have him back. He's a Bronco at heart.

UnderArmour
01-09-2008, 11:43 PM
Yeah! Can Gold and bring back Wilson.

Tned
01-09-2008, 11:45 PM
Dang I hope we didn't fudge our chances with him by trying to trade him last offseason. It'd be nice to have him back. He's a Bronco at heart.

Hopefully not. Hopefully, the fact that the Broncos gave his agent the opportunity to try and broker trades will be seen positively, along with the fact he wasn't capable of passing a physical.

Ricky
01-09-2008, 11:51 PM
The Bronco do not need to bring back a backer who can't wrap up. Al was a great guy, many fans and teammates loved him; but he was nothing special as a backer. How many times did a running back bounce off his great hit and get 5 to 7 more yards?

UnderArmour
01-09-2008, 11:53 PM
The Bronco do not need to bring back a backer who can't wrap up. Al was a great guy, many fans and teammates loved him; but he was nothing special as a backer. How many times did a running back bounce off his great hit and get 5 to 7 more yards?

How many times did we get completely ran over last year in route to having one of the worst run defenses in the league?

Ricky
01-09-2008, 11:54 PM
How many times did we get completely ran over last year in route to having one of the worst run defenses in the league?


Two bads don't make a great. Al Wilson: been there done that. Next.

Skinny
01-09-2008, 11:56 PM
In the best interest of AL and his health ... I really hope he gets another opinion. Not questioning Dr. Watson's (1 Back Specialists) word but to get that backed up, which i'm sure a team interested in him will do anyways, will really make this thing possible for AL to return to the League and play again ...

It would be great to see AL on the feild again ... in a Bronco uni or not ...

tubby
01-10-2008, 12:11 AM
Hell Yes!!

:defense:

:salute:

tubby
01-10-2008, 12:12 AM
The Bronco do not need to bring back a backer who can't wrap up. Al was a great guy, many fans and teammates loved him; but he was nothing special as a backer. How many times did a running back bounce off his great hit and get 5 to 7 more yards?

:rolleyes:

Pro Bowl linebackers are special Ricko.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q224/jribbens02/al.jpg

MOtorboat
01-10-2008, 12:14 AM
I'll take him back...with open arms.

EMB6903
01-10-2008, 12:15 AM
:rolleyes:

Pro Bowl linebackers are special Ricko.

ya Al Wilson was a pro bowler... yet so was John lynch, what does that have to do with today??

tubby
01-10-2008, 12:15 AM
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q224/jribbens02/Wilson1.jpg

tubby
01-10-2008, 12:15 AM
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q224/jribbens02/alllll.gif

tubby
01-10-2008, 12:16 AM
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q224/jribbens02/AlWilson-Screaming.jpg

Skinny
01-10-2008, 12:18 AM
I take it tubby is a al fan ...

NightTrainLayne
01-10-2008, 12:26 AM
I have mixed emotions about this. Al was a good if not great MLB and if he can come back and play at that level and be healthy great. If not, we are wasting our time.

It's a gamble.

MileHighWrath
01-10-2008, 12:49 AM
Go to camp, make the roster or retire. I hope he can make it, if so, cool.

sneakers
01-10-2008, 12:51 AM
I would rather he retire for his sake....neck problems are not something you want to mess around with. Next time the injury will be worse, and playing linebacker...you can't really avoid contact.

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
01-10-2008, 01:00 AM
The Bronco do not need to bring back a backer who can't wrap up. Al was a great guy, many fans and teammates loved him; but he was nothing special as a backer. How many times did a running back bounce off his great hit and get 5 to 7 more yards?

um not very many times.

are you sure you were watching the same al wilson these last few years??

Al was a top 5 MLB back in his time. And if he can still play then thats great. He is still young enough. Only 30.

topscribe
01-10-2008, 01:04 AM
The Bronco do not need to bring back a backer who can't wrap up. Al was a great guy, many fans and teammates loved him; but he was nothing special as a backer. How many times did a running back bounce off his great hit and get 5 to 7 more yards?

Well, I'll tell you: Al Wilson may not be able to wrap up, but it is quite a
coincidence . . . isn't it? . . . that he goes down last year, and since then the
Broncos have consistently been one of the three worst teams in the league
in rushing defense?

If AW is absolutely, positively, honestly healthy again, I would take him back
in a heartbeat. :coffee:

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Lonestar
01-10-2008, 01:04 AM
The Bronco do not need to bring back a backer who can't wrap up. Al was a great guy, many fans and teammates loved him; but he was nothing special as a backer. How many times did a running back bounce off his great hit and get 5 to 7 more yards?


Everyone knows this he is a terrific hitter but has not tackled worth crap for years.. For a while I gave him a pass because of casts on his hands then I just realized he is a lousy tackler.

I for one do not wish to see him in a wheel chair either because the way he plays he is one hit away from one..

This is the LB coach mikey should be hiring..

broncosfanscott
01-10-2008, 01:11 AM
Well, I'll tell you: Al Wilson may not be able to wrap up, but it is quite a
coincidence . . . isn't it? . . . that he goes down last year, and since then the
Broncos have consistently been one of the three worst teams in the league
in rushing defense?

If AW is absolutely, positively, honestly healthy again, I would take him back
in a heartbeat. :coffee:

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I'm with you on that one.

mopatt24
01-10-2008, 01:30 AM
Bring him back to camp, he deserves a shot to return.

hamrob
01-10-2008, 01:32 AM
He'll play whereever he gets paid. That's the name of the game. I'm not a DJ at MLB fan...but I don't think we will bring Al back.

That said...we did miss both his leadership and motivation on the field. He was a firey player!

Lonestar
01-10-2008, 01:40 AM
He'll play whereever he gets paid. That's the name of the game. I'm not a DJ at MLB fan...but I don't think we will bring Al back.

That said...we did miss both his leadership and motivation on the field. He was a firey player!

Yes he brought that to the field

Leadership is missed, but not his lack of wrapping them up..

LoyalSoldier
01-10-2008, 01:55 AM
The Bronco do not need to bring back a backer who can't wrap up. Al was a great guy, many fans and teammates loved him; but he was nothing special as a backer. How many times did a running back bounce off his great hit and get 5 to 7 more yards?

He had one of the best gap disciplines I have seen in a LB. Even if you can't wrap up all the time the simple fact you were there giving the RB trouble gives the rest of your team the ability to catch up.

Lonestar
01-10-2008, 01:57 AM
He had one of the best gap disciplines I have seen in a LB. Even if you can't wrap up all the time the simple fact you were there giving the RB trouble gives the rest of your team the ability to catch up.

quit making excuses he was paid to make the tackle not make YOUTUBE hits..

broncogirl7
01-10-2008, 01:59 AM
I, for one would love to see Al Wilson back in a Broncos uniform. If he is truly healed and it's safe for him to come back and play. Bring back Al!

LoyalSoldier
01-10-2008, 01:59 AM
quit making excuses he was paid to make the tackle not make YOUTUBE hits..

Tell me how was that an excuse? He wasn't a horrible tackler at all anyways.

fcspikeit
01-10-2008, 02:05 AM
I say bring him to camp. If he makes the team great, if not, it was worth the chance...

I agree that he wasn't tackling well the last year. But even at his worst,,, He is still heads above Gold and Webster!

Lonestar
01-10-2008, 02:09 AM
Tell me how was that an excuse? He wasn't a horrible tackler at all anyways.

I guess I've been watching a different Al Wilson on the broncos than you have.. He is a terrific hitter one of the best, but many times the RB bounces off and continues for another 5-7 yards.. many times the RB is indeed knocked off his feet.. But AL is not quite the hero everyone remembers him as.. He is an oft injured player not at 100% giving his all when on the field. A great leader and called plays very well..

But he missed alot of tackles. I'm sure there are web sites that track such stuff. I'll let someone disprove me if they wish.

Lonestar
01-10-2008, 02:10 AM
I say bring him to camp. If he makes the team great, if not, it was worth the chance...

I agree that he wasn't tackling well the last year. But even at his worst,,, He is still heads above Gold and Webster!

Again you set the bar very low on that charge..

topscribe
01-10-2008, 02:12 AM
Tell me how was that an excuse? He wasn't a horrible tackler at all anyways.

Well, once again, I go by coincidence. When AW was playing for the Broncos,
they were damn good against the run. After he left, they were damn poor.

Bring him back. See what he can do.

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Timmy!
01-10-2008, 02:13 AM
GET AL IN CAMP! If, and it's a big if, Al can be even 80% of the player he was get him signed and in camp. I'd love to see Al back in the middle so we could move DJ back to the weak side and dump Golds sorry butt. I'll admit I'm biased because I'm a big Al fan, but what can it hurt? You know the guy is a Bronco at heart, somebody get his agent on the phone asap! What could a 1 year deal hurt?

fcspikeit
01-10-2008, 02:48 AM
Again you set the bar very low on that charge..

Your right,, But alas, they were our starting LB's last year.

I don't think anyone is saying he is the best MLB in the game. But he don't have to be... All he has to be is better then the guy ahead of him. If he's not then whats the harm in bringing him to camp and giving him the chance?

xzn
01-10-2008, 03:24 AM
Draft Dan Connor to play Sam, move DJ back to his best and most natural position of Will and plug Big Al in the middle. Viola! Instant great linebacker corps!!

Now about that gaping hole next to Marcus Thomas....

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-10-2008, 04:05 AM
How many times did we get completely ran over last year in route to having one of the worst run defenses in the league?

Trust me, Al wont be the one to change that. Al can stay home and remain healthy. I dont want Wilson back he was never anything special anyway. Just somebody Bronco fans gassed up. Hes coo but nothing special. Just a decent MLB who cant wrap up. Can Gold and build a young LB Core.

WARHORSE
01-10-2008, 04:08 AM
A year off? That will have its consequences, but not anything he cant overcome. Will he be afraid to hit again? That is a very real question that can only be anwered by Al Wilson, and it cant be answered now. It will be answered in a real game on a real field against a real opponent...and not sooner.

I love Al Wilson for the man he is. I love Al Wilson for the player he is.

And if he can come in and help us, then by all means.

If we can find a better option, or one that makes more sense, then that will be the route taken.


Everyone misses Al Wilson. That includes Mike Shanahan.

You cannot replace leadership like that.

SoCoPoCo
01-10-2008, 05:24 AM
Everyone needs to remember that this is not Al Wilson of 5 years ago - the neck injury and shoulder problems have taken a toll. However, I agree with others on here that you bring him to camp and see what he has left physically because I know I underestimated how much of a dropoff we would have on the field.

Stargazer
01-10-2008, 06:34 AM
Not sure it is wise to bring a broken down LB. We'll see in the upcoming months.

claymore
01-10-2008, 06:39 AM
I say Bring him in. His leadership and depth will be nothing but positive. I want him to retire a Bronco, and consider coaching.

There is a leadership thread here, and he is a great example of leadership.

CoachChaz
01-10-2008, 08:00 AM
Let the guy fade away in peace. If this was a former LB that had played his entire career for ANY other team, everyone here would scoff at the idea of bringing him in here. Zach Thomas has had a much better career and no one wants him here. Al is done...move on.
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roomemp
01-10-2008, 09:03 AM
Bring the guy into camp. We need all the help we can get. We also have so many holes to fill. We are going to have to have stop gaps at certain positions.

broncofanatic1987
01-10-2008, 09:23 AM
I have mixed feelings about Al being cleared to play and possibly returning to the Broncos. It would be nice to have him back, but is it really worth it considering his injury wasn't the only reason he was released. Wasn't it reported that the team wasn't happy with his performance in 2006? If it hadn't been for his injury, Gold might have been the one released because I think it was reported that they weren't happy with his 2006 performance either. But either way, they weren't happy with Al's performance, so why bring him back? I guess that would be better than drafting a middle linebacker to be a starter, for the short term anyway.

On the other hand, I would have trouble with the idea of Al wearing a different team's uniform. So, I'm on board with the idea of bringing him back to the Broncos.

GO BRONCOS!!!:beer::rockon:

HolyDiver
01-10-2008, 09:34 AM
I guess I've been watching a different Al Wilson on the broncos than you have.. He is a terrific hitter one of the best, but many times the RB bounces off and continues for another 5-7 yards.. many times the RB is indeed knocked off his feet.. But AL is not quite the hero everyone remembers him as.. He is an oft injured player not at 100% giving his all when on the field. A great leader and called plays very well..

But he missed alot of tackles. I'm sure there are web sites that track such stuff. I'll let someone disprove me if they wish.

It was alot like when we got rid of Atwater............He just wasn't the same player.

atwater27
01-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Well, once again, I go by coincidence. When AW was playing for the Broncos,
they were damn good against the run. After he left, they were damn poor.

Bring him back. See what he can do.

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I don't see why people can't understand this. In my humble opinion, Al Wilson's loss was by far the biggest reason for Denver's collapse. I have said before, I truly believe that if we had a healthy Al Wilson last season, we win 2 or 3 more games and make the playoffs. I think he meant THAT much to the D as a player and a leader. I have been flamed galore for this opinion, but I'm sticking to it.

Hell yeah bring him back, and let him win a position. If he can't, so be it. Taking him back though, considering his injury history, should in no way change our drafting or free agency decisions, LB would still be a high priority.

BOSSHOGG30
01-10-2008, 10:46 AM
They better sign him and SIGN HIM NOW!!! This was my whole point with this thing... he should have been restructured and put on IR for the year... a guy like that deserved the benefit of the doubt that he could come back (give him a year of pay.)

HolyDiver
01-10-2008, 10:48 AM
He could have a few good years left in him.

silkamilkamonico
01-10-2008, 10:53 AM
Can Wilson play Will, because we already have a dam good Mike.

atwater27
01-10-2008, 10:55 AM
http://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26853

The tragedy of Al Wilson

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It has been crystal clear to me throughout the season what has been the missing link to our success, and especially the reason for the demise of the Broncos defense. I am surprised how under the radar the whole thing happened. It was really surreal.... the rumors that Al was being talked about in potential trades; then the fact that he was being traded, then the shock that he couldn't pass his physical, then the harsh reality that he truly was not going to play this season, and most likely never again.

For anyone who truly doesn't understand why our defense has been turned into hamburger by just about everyone we have played, I'll give you a newsflash.

Al Wilson was the heart and soul of our defense, occasional missed tackles or not, and his absence on the team was davastating both physically, mentally and emotionally for the Broncos D. I have no doubt that with Al in the lineup, we would have at least 2, if not 3 more wins under our belt.
As much as people talk about who's fault it is for this season, Shanahan, Bates, whoever..... How do you prepare for a freak unknown offseason injury that eliminates your defensive leader and backbone? And it was pretty much too late to fill the absence through free agency or the draft.

The loss of Al Wilson was a complete tragedy for him and the Broncos, and it affected us much much worse than most people even know.

atwater27
01-10-2008, 10:57 AM
Can Wilson play Will, because we already have a dam good Mike.

That is a great freaking idea. He is a fast backer, and the weakside poistion would be less rough on his neckbone.

NameUsedBefore
01-10-2008, 11:41 AM
Yes, Al Wilson wasn't the greatest wrap-up tackler. But he made up for it in DROVES with a few things: he was fast and could cover adequately; he blew up blockers like it was nobody's business; he could almost always make contact with the RB. That last part is pretty important because, even if he didn't make the tackle, he made himself an obstacle to the RB and more often than not that was enough. I think it isn't too hard to remember that on almost every running play Wilson was almost always in on the play, making the tackle or not. The guy simply understood how to shed blockers and plug the gaps the RB was supposed to go through. He also knew that sometimes he would have to blow up the blocker so somebody else could make a play.

Then, of course, Al Wilson was a leader and leadership should never be underestimated. Like others have said, all you have to do is like at our defense when we had Al, and we didn't.

With all that said, if he is healthy I would welcome him back in a heartbeat. If he is not, I wish Al the best. I hope he doesn't think about risking his future with a comeback if things aren't 100%, though.

BeefStew25
01-10-2008, 11:41 AM
We were stupid for cutting him. We should have shelved him on IR for a couple reasons:

1) He earned it
2) Show the younger players we are loyal
3) We shelved Rod also

What the Broncos should have done is what the Bucs did with Alstott. Give him a year on IR to see where he is at. Reward him for being a loyal vet.

We butchered the handling of this.

Stargazer
01-10-2008, 11:46 AM
We were stupid for cutting him. We should have shelved him on IR for a couple reasons:



That costs money. A check Denver clearly did not want to pay.

BeefStew25
01-10-2008, 11:49 AM
That costs money. A check Denver clearly did not want to pay.

Simeon Rice. :fart:

Retired_Member_001
01-10-2008, 11:55 AM
D.J. Williams has been very good at Middle Linebacker. There is no way I see Shanahan moving D.J from that spot. To be honest, if Al Wilson came back, we'd be seeing alot more missed tackles. I like Al Wilson, and if he came back to play a different linebacker position I would be ok with it, but there is no way on earth he should come back and play MIKE.

mclark
01-10-2008, 11:57 AM
We need leadership. Bring him back and see if he can play (if he is really healthy).

His tackling declined because he has smashed up both shoulders.

I don't see how we can be worse with Al in the middle and DJ playing weak side in place of Gold than we were this year.

We still need to draft a MLB; and Al could be the bridge until his successor is ready to start.

Stargazer
01-10-2008, 11:58 AM
Simeon Rice. :fart:

Rice can actually play on the field. Wilson could not.

atwater27
01-10-2008, 11:59 AM
We need leadership. Bring him back and see if he can play (if he is really healthy).

His tackling declined because he has smashed up both shoulders.

I don't see how we can be worse with Al in the middle and DJ playing weak side in place of Gold than we were this year.

We still need to draft a MLB; and Al could be the bridge until his successor is ready to start.

No doubt. The guy has sold out his body; both shoulders, back and neck, for the Denver Broncos. He deserves a shot.

mclark
01-10-2008, 12:00 PM
Can Wilson play Will, because we already have a dam good Mike.

Respectfully disagree. If we had a damn good Mike we would not be 30th in the league against the run this year.

BeefStew25
01-10-2008, 12:01 PM
Rice can actually play on the field. Wilson could not.

Ok, so was it worth the 3 million we spent on Rice?

I am not questioning Wilson's injuries. I am questioning the morale of cutting your Pro Bowl Linebacker at the first hint of injury. I know this is a business, but if they are going to unload Wilson at the first sign of trouble, what are the other players supposed to think?

And Al Wilson would have been just as valuable as Rod on the sideline this season. You think he could have shown DJ a thing or two about how to pick a gap?

Retired_Member_001
01-10-2008, 12:02 PM
Respectfully disagree. If we had a damn good Mike we would not be 30th in the league against the run this year.

If we had a damn good defensive tackle and other damn good linebackers to go with D.J. we wouldn't be 30th in the league against the run.

D.J. has done a brilliant job considering he is on such a woeful defense.

mclark
01-10-2008, 12:03 PM
D.J. Williams has been very good at Middle Linebacker. There is no way I see Shanahan moving D.J from that spot. To be honest, if Al Wilson came back, we'd be seeing alot more missed tackles. I like Al Wilson, and if he came back to play a different linebacker position I would be ok with it, but there is no way on earth he should come back and play MIKE.

DJ made a lot of tackles. On a terrible defense. Actually, the middle linebacker is the key player in stopping the run. We were 30th in the league against the run.

DJ is a great athlete. He is not a great middle linebacker.

BOSSHOGG30
01-10-2008, 12:04 PM
Al Wilson
D.J. Williams
Rookie?

Sounds good to me

BeefStew25
01-10-2008, 12:05 PM
D.J. has done a brilliant job considering he is not very bright.

Edited for clarity.

Retired_Member_001
01-10-2008, 12:06 PM
DJ made a lot of tackles. On a terrible defense. Actually, the middle linebacker is the key player in stopping the run. We were 30th in the league against the run.

DJ is a great athlete. He is not a great middle linebacker.

But he was around such horrible talent, which doesn't help.

I seriously doubt Al Wilson would be able to do much better. Don't forget D.J. will probably need a year to adjust, next season he'll be much better.

mclark
01-10-2008, 12:08 PM
If we had a damn good defensive tackle and other damn good linebackers to go with D.J. we wouldn't be 30th in the league against the run.

D.J. has done a brilliant job considering he is on such a woeful defense.

No one did a brilliant job on our defense this year. When you give up 4.5 yards per carry, no one is doing a brilliant job.

DJ made a lot of tackles because every team we played knew where we were weak: right up the middle.

Requiem / The Dagda
01-10-2008, 12:08 PM
I think there's a little overemphasis on how much impact Wilson would have on the team, especially in regards to improving the running game. Do I think that he'd improve our defense? Sure. However, Wilson's (if acquired) presence on the team alone isn't going to change things in a snap. The defensive line did a terrible job on their assignments this past season, and regardless of how many good linebackers you have, if the offensive lineman are getting to the second level, you're bound to have problems.

Stargazer
01-10-2008, 12:09 PM
Ok, so was it worth the 3 million we spent on Rice?



Looking back right now it totally bombed.



And Al Wilson would have been just as valuable as Rod on the sideline this season. You think he could have shown DJ a thing or two about how to pick a gap?

It's possible? Denver wasn't willing to write a check for a broken down LB. A big check that is. And clearly no other team around the league would.

G_Money
01-10-2008, 12:11 PM
I'm torn.

On the one hand, Al Wilson's leadership, fire, and dominant presence were sorely missed this year. We could really use him back to give the D some much-needed heart, and he's exponentially better than DJ in the middle, whatever the tackle #s say.

OTOH, Wilson had two bad shoulders, thumb problems, a neck issue, and problems wrapping up for tackles because of those health issues when last I checked.

Maybe a year out of football did wonders for his multiple injury issues. But Wilson looked on the downside of his career before he took a year off - how much does he have left?

Before he was forced out of football for a year I was thinking there was a 3 year over/under on Wilson being out of the game. So did the time off accelerate that end date or push it back? Was he able to get healthy, or is he the next formerly-great player looking to hang on who will bounce from team to team before quietly exiting the field?

I miss Al Wilson the man, no question - but I don't know how much more Al Wilson the football player has in the tank.

~G

Retired_Member_001
01-10-2008, 12:11 PM
No one did a brilliant job on our defense this year. When you give up 4.5 yards per carry, no one is doing a brilliant job.

DJ made a lot of tackles because every team we played knew where we were weak: right up the middle.

So you think Al Wilson would have made more tackles than DJ?

If Al Wilson were in the middle it would be more than 4.5 yards per carry.

topscribe
01-10-2008, 12:11 PM
I think there's a little overemphasis on how much impact Wilson would have on the team, especially in regards to improving the running game. Do I think that he'd improve our defense? Sure. However, Wilson's (if acquired) presence on the team alone isn't going to change things in a snap. The defensive line did a terrible job on their assignments this past season, and regardless of how many good linebackers you have, if the offensive lineman are getting to the second level, you're bound to have problems.

Very good comment. I do think that if the Broncos had a Wilson as he used to
be and a good DT to fill the hole beside Thomas . . . that and with a year now
under Thomas' belt . . . we would see a significant difference in the defense.

It would be wonderful to see a healthy Wilson and D.J. on the same field
. . . and Gold gone.

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G_Money
01-10-2008, 12:14 PM
So you think Al Wilson would have made more tackles than DJ?

If Al Wilson were in the middle it would be more than 4.5 yards per carry.

This is patently untrue. Wilson knew where the hole was that he had to fill - DJ still had trouble finding it. Most of DJ's great plays were edge plays. He's much better at taking angles than filling holes at the line of scrimmage instead of 5 yards downfield.

His ability to take the edge and pursue is why he's such a terrific Will and why he NEVER should have been moved off that position for Gold.

~G

mclark
01-10-2008, 12:14 PM
I think there's a little overemphasis on how much impact Wilson would have on the team, especially in regards to improving the running game. Do I think that he'd improve our defense? Sure. However, Wilson's (if acquired) presence on the team alone isn't going to change things in a snap. The defensive line did a terrible job on their assignments this past season, and regardless of how many good linebackers you have, if the offensive lineman are getting to the second level, you're bound to have problems.

A problem with the Bates System is that he wants passive defensive tackles who are big enough to hold two guys and let the linebackers run wild. Warren refused to play passive defensive tackle, so he was packed off. Part of our problem at defensive tackle was that our tackles were being taught NOT to penetrate, NOT to stunt, but to play in their gap and hold offensive linemen. With Bates gone, a guy like Marcus Thomas will be able to play the way he played in college...ie, less passively, more aggressively. We definitely need to keep improving our defensive line. But we won't be as bad next year as we were this year, now that Bates is gone. Too bad we lost Warren in the process.

Requiem / The Dagda
01-10-2008, 12:15 PM
Very good comment. I do think that if the Broncos had a Wilson as he used to
be and a good DT to fill the hole beside Thomas . . . that and with a year now
under Thomas' belt . . . we would see a significant difference in the defense.

It would be wonderful to see a healthy Wilson and D.J. on the same field
. . . and Gold gone.

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Oh, absolutely. Plus, getting Wilson would allow us to focus on other needs, and to (in a realistic perspective) allow for us to pass on a linebacker on the first day. It's going to be deep enough where there will be great playmakers in the third and fourth rounds.

mclark
01-10-2008, 12:16 PM
This is patently untrue. Wilson knew where the hole was that he had to fill - DJ still had trouble finding it. Most of DJ's great plays were edge plays. He's much better at taking angles than filling holes at the line of scrimmage instead of 5 yards downfield.

It's why he's such a terrific Will and why he NEVER should have been moved off that position for Gold.

~G

Exactly. DJ has been playing angles his entire life as an outside linebacker. Filling holes is an entirely different game.

Retired_Member_001
01-10-2008, 12:16 PM
This is patently untrue. Wilson knew where the hole was that he had to fill - DJ still had trouble finding it. Most of DJ's great plays were edge plays. He's much better at taking angles than filling holes at the line of scrimmage instead of 5 yards downfield.

It's why he's such a terrific Will and why he NEVER should have been moved off that position for Gold.

~G

That's a fair enough comment. I still think DJ will make a good MIKE.

There's no denying Al Wilson missed alot of tackles. I wish I could find the stats to prove that.

Retired_Member_001
01-10-2008, 12:18 PM
Oh, absolutely. Plus, getting Wilson would allow us to focus on other needs, and to (in a realistic perspective) allow for us to pass on a linebacker on the first day. It's going to be deep enough where there will be great playmakers in the third and fourth rounds.

That is one major plus.

We would be able to have DJ, Winborn and Al playing at linebacker and then focus on other more important needs during the draft and FA.

mclark
01-10-2008, 12:23 PM
So you think Al Wilson would have made more tackles than DJ?

If Al Wilson were in the middle it would be more than 4.5 yards per carry.

He may not have made more tackles that DJ because other teams would have probably had to attack other parts of our defense as part of their offensive game plan. This year the game plan to beat Denver was: RUN IT UP THE MIDDLE.

The number of tackles made is a funny stat. It isn't like hitting homeruns. When the other team runs at you all the time, you make a lot of tackles. If DJ led the league in tackles and we led the league in defense against the run I'd be jumping up and down about DJ Williams in the middle. But that wasn't the case.

I'm NOT saying DJ was the cause of our defensive problems. He did a great job of trying to learn a new position when our defensive tackles were being screwed up by Dr. Bates. We have old and questionable safeties also. The entire middle of our defense was suspect. But DJ was like a rookie in the middle, missing holes, running in to the backs of his defensive tackles. Reading the game from the outside is entirely different than reading it from the middle. Did DJ get better? Yes. But DJ is a finesse player, relying on speed and playing angles to run down ball-carriers. He had a lot of trouble reading the field in the middle.

Requiem / The Dagda
01-10-2008, 12:23 PM
If Wilson doesn't come back to Denver, I still see us taking a guy who can play MIKE, preferably a guy who can play multiple positions to give us some versatility. Even with such great linebackers in this class, I don't think there's a better fit for us (especially with Slowik blitizing) in Philip Wheeler out of Georgia Tech. The guy went on a rampage all year and is the kind of guy we need out there around the LOS.

tubby
01-10-2008, 12:24 PM
One thing teams didn't do against the Broncos with Al Wilson in the middle was run the football. Fact.

This year was a different story. And I don't care how many tackles DJ had.

topscribe
01-10-2008, 12:28 PM
Oh, absolutely. Plus, getting Wilson would allow us to focus on other needs, and to (in a realistic perspective) allow for us to pass on a linebacker on the first day. It's going to be deep enough where there will be great playmakers in the third and fourth rounds.

Were I Shanny, I would take Wilson out for a steak dinner at a five-star
restaurant, then have him over at my house for a cookout the next evening.
Both evenings would be filled with tearful apologies and ample bonus offers.

If that didn't work, I would pull out my .38 . . .

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BOSSHOGG30
01-10-2008, 12:28 PM
WLB - Williams
MLB - Wilson
SLB - B. Bailey

Champ makes a case for his brother to come in and we once again have one of the best linebacking cores in the NFL.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 12:52 PM
Al Wilson the new inside backer for the San Diego Chargers!!

That would be flipping amazing!!!:lol: He could pay old Micky back for the way he was dropped / treated after his injury.

A guy can dream right? :D :lol:

BeefStew25
01-10-2008, 12:57 PM
WLB - Williams
MLB - Wilson
SLB - B. Bailey

Champ makes a case for his brother to come in and we once again have one of the best linebacking cores in the NFL.

Boss Bailey sucks. If his name was Boss Wilson or maybe Boss Hogg, he would be changing the oil in my Lincoln.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 12:58 PM
That's a fair enough comment. I still think DJ will make a good MIKE.

There's no denying Al Wilson missed alot of tackles. I wish I could find the stats to prove that.

He was playing with a broken thumb! Makes it hard to wrap up.

Ricky
01-10-2008, 01:03 PM
I have stated on the Freak and will do so here. Al Wilson was(is?) a great defensive leader. He made the pro bowl because he was a great leader of a good defense. He played very smart and would get other players into the right place most of the time. He was (is?) smart enough to get himself involve in almost every play, but he refused to apply a simple technique that is fundamental to playing defense. He didn't wrap up. Why? Only he knows the answer to that. Maybe his shoulders were hurt so much by the great bone crunching hits he made through out his career. Again, he made great hits, but the last THREE years of his career, he had a running back or fullback hit him and bounce off and go for another 5 to 7 yards. It happened virtually every game. I useless opinion is to let him come into camp and COACH the linebackers if the Broncos need him, but he is not going to help this defense as a player.

CoachChaz
01-10-2008, 01:05 PM
Why don't we just talk Atwater out of retirement while we're at it.
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sanluis
01-10-2008, 01:12 PM
I have stated on the Freak and will do so here. Al Wilson was(is?) a great defensive leader. He made the pro bowl because he was a great leader of a good defense. He played very smart and would get other players into the right place most of the time. He was (is?) smart enough to get himself involve in almost every play, but he refused to apply a simple technique that is fundamental to playing defense. He didn't wrap up. Why? Only he knows the answer to that. Maybe his shoulders were hurt so much by the great bone crunching hits he made through out his career. Again, he made great hits, but the last THREE years of his career, he had a running back or fullback hit him and bounce off and go for another 5 to 7 yards. It happened virtually every game. I useless opinion is to let him come into camp and COACH the linebackers if the Broncos need him, but he is not going to help this defense as a player.

Ricky,
You know it is hard to wrap up with only one hand. His thumb was messed up the last two season he played.( correct me if I am wrong) And as you note sometimes he would just try to blow people up and they would on occasion bounce off. At only 30 years old and having a season to heal he might just be ready to correct the problem of wrapping up he had the last two years. He can hit so hard people blow right out of his grasps. He is / was such an awesome player.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 01:13 PM
Why don't we just talk Atwater out of retirement while we're at it.


Why? You already have grandpa Lynch. :lol:

Broncolingus
01-10-2008, 01:17 PM
God love Al, but he should stay where he belongs...retired.

Put his name on the Ring, give him a nice send-off in a 'winable' game, and bring him and Rod Smith back as 'how to play the game with heart' coaches.

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 01:22 PM
He's a free agent, he can play anywhere. He really isn't needed here anymore. I hope he plays elsewhere personally. His better days are behind him.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 01:30 PM
He's a free agent, he can play anywhere. He really isn't needed here anymore. I hope he plays elsewhere personally. His better days are behind him.

Ya , just like Junior Seau's best days are way behind him. But he is still part of a team that is 16-0 and making plays with his knowledge of the game. He is like 40 years old and Al is only 30. Al can still play at a much higher level than most LBers out there people!

Better than any on your team right now!

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 01:31 PM
Seau can tackle

Wilson Can't

Let's move on please.

topscribe
01-10-2008, 01:35 PM
Ya , just like Junior Seau's best days are way behind him. But he is still part of a team that is 16-0 and making plays with his knowledge of the game. He is like 40 years old and Al is only 30. Al can still play at a much higher level than most LBers out there people!

Better than any on your team right now!

If he is truly healthy, there is no reason AW cannot still play at a high level.

He's still a young man! In fact, the year off might even have restored some youth.

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sanluis
01-10-2008, 01:38 PM
Seau can tackle

Wilson Can't

Let's move on please.

Well then explain how Wilson is not needed in Denver.
After the performance of the D last season and Al Wilson's glaring absents one would think he might make a big difference for the team. :confused:

sanluis
01-10-2008, 01:42 PM
If he is truly healthy, there is no reason AW cannot still play at a high level.

He's still a young man! In fact, the year off might even have restored some youth.

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I agree Tops. The proof will be in between the white lines. But from what I know of AW he should still have some game left and any team with the cap space would be smart to give him a physical and a try out. If his neck is OK he would be worth every penny IMO.

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 01:42 PM
Well then explain how Wilson is not needed in Denver.
After the performance of the D last season and Al Wilson's glaring absents one would think he might make a big difference for the team. :confused:

One person, including Al, was not going to make this team any better than it was this past year. I don't think bringing him back makes us a better team either. We need to fix the problems up front. The current set of LB'ers we have today will play much better once we got that fixed. Again, just my opinion.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 01:49 PM
One person, including Al, was not going to make this team any better than it was this past year. I don't think bringing him back makes us a better team either. We need to fix the problems up front. The current set of LB'ers we have today will play much better once we got that fixed. Again, just my opinion.

That's cool. I respect that it is your opinion. I am not looking to put you down.

I always look to the front 7 first and if they can control the LOS. That was lacking in Denver last season at times. Still there were just as many times that the backers didn't fill their assigned gaps. With AW that doesn't happen. He is so smart and knows how to get himself and others into position. Could you imaging blowing your assignment and answering to AW? I bet the same mistake would not be repeated. And that kind of leadership would make any team better IMO.

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Good point. Only problem with AL is he over over pursued quite a bit and end up grabbing, or just missing tackles all the time. I'm not sure Al would of been very successful in the scheme we played last year. Al is known to miss assignments as well.

topscribe
01-10-2008, 01:55 PM
One person, including Al, was not going to make this team any better than it was this past year. I don't think bringing him back makes us a better team either. We need to fix the problems up front. The current set of LB'ers we have today will play much better once we got that fixed. Again, just my opinion.

Most certainly the present LBs will play better with a better DL. However, that
should not preclude the improvement of the LB corps if possible. Getting rid of
Gold, for instance, would be an upgrade in itself, IMO. But I really believe that
a healthy Wilson at MLB, D.J. at WLB, and Webster or Winborn at SLB would
be a dramatic improvement. Then, concentrate on plugging that hole beside
Thomas, and the Broncos again have a defense.

IMHO.

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DenBronx
01-10-2008, 01:58 PM
Al Wilson
D.J. Williams
Rookie?

Sounds good to me

DJ has proved he is a damn good MIKE. So I'm on the fence about bringing Al back to play MIKE and moving DJ back to WILL. But DJ was a beast at WILL and Al in his prime has been a beat at MIKE. If the reports are true then I would expect Shanahan to at least show some interest and bring Al back for another physical. I'm sure Al will meet with the Broncos first. I think a year off was good for Al's neck. Wilson would be a cheaper option because I don't see a whole lot of teams wanting to fork over a ton of money for him. Wilson I'm sure would settle for a little less to remain a Bronco.

But here are a few things to consider.

a.) Can Wilson come back healthy? I know he was medically cleared but how long until his neck is reinjured. If Wilson we're to go down via injury then we will be royaly screwed next season. Who would take his place? Is this a risk worth taking?

b.) Second opinion. Remember the Broncos cleared Wilson but he was not cleared by the Giants. I don't know if the doctors we are using are really lenient or the Giants we're just too cautious. I'd like TWO more opinions. One would be another outside source and the third would be our medical staff. If he clears all evaluations then he is worth bringing in to compete.

c.) Would Al hold us back from the future? Let's face it folks, he is 30 but a very aged 30. Would it be more benificial come draft Day if a guy like Lauranitis fell to pick 12? Would a guy like Dansby or Briggs be better in free agency and just keep a young DJ at MLB?

d.) How does this effect DJ? Ok, after being moved 4 times in 5 years it's going to start getting old. This was DJ's first year as a MLB on a very very horrible defense. I would hate to see DJ become disgruntled and want to leave after next season because of so many changes. If he WANTS to move back to WILL then that is a differant story and actually DJ might want Al back on the team and might be willing to do this to better the team. DJ in his first year at MLB smashed Wilsons tackle total at 141.

G_Money
01-10-2008, 02:06 PM
Most certainly the present LBs will play better with a better DL. However, that
should not preclude the improvement of the LB corps if possible. Getting rid of
Gold, for instance, would be an upgrade in itself, IMO. But I really believe that
a healthy Wilson at MLB, D.J. at WLB, and Webster or Winborn at SLB would
be a dramatic improvement. Then, concentrate on plugging that hole beside
Thomas, and the Broncos again have a defense.

IMHO.

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I agree with the theory.

A better LB corps will make the DL look less tragic in the run game.

A better DL will make the LB core look better as well.

I'd like both. I don't think fixing the DL alone is enough, and we need to add a real leader and playmaker to the LB corps. Wilson has always been a leader, but his play-making skills fell off in his final couple of years with us. I think Williams/Wilson/Winborn is better than Winborn/Williams/Webster, but I also think Williams/Laurinaitis/Winborn is better as well.

Improving the LB core is a good goal, but Al is definitely not the only option and without seeing him play I can't even say it's a good option. Functional Al is worth looking into, but Broken Al is not really an option.

~G

Krugan
01-10-2008, 02:12 PM
Wel all know Al wasnt the greates tackler. We all know Al has/had an issue with an pretty major injury.

We all should know that this last years defense had no fire.

Who was the leader out there? Some point to veterans like John Lynch, but his leadership didnt seem to spark the D. Some will say we have a great leader in Champ, I dont see him leading out there, or providing that needed spark.

DJ moved to the middle and did his job, but he didnt lead with passion and fire that bled over to the rest of the group. He didnt take the time to get his fellow players out for dinner and discussion on a weekly basis.

Al Wilson did. Although he more than likely isnt a viable option for the Broncos anymore, that is what they are missing, at least a part of it is.

Heart and passion.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 02:14 PM
DJ has proved he is a damn good MIKE. So I'm on the fence about bringing Al back to play MIKE and moving DJ back to WILL. But DJ was a beast at WILL and Al in his prime has been a beat at MIKE. If the reports are true then I would expect Shanahan to at least show some interest and bring Al back for another physical. I'm sure Al will meet with the Broncos first. I think a year off was good for Al's neck. Wilson would be a cheaper option because I don't see a whole lot of teams wanting to fork over a ton of money for him. Wilson I'm sure would settle for a little less to remain a Bronco.

But here are a few things to consider.

a.) Can Wilson come back healthy? I know he was medically cleared but how long until his neck is reinjured. If Wilson we're to go down via injury then we will be royaly screwed next season. Who would take his place? Is this a risk worth taking?

b.) Second opinion. Remember the Broncos cleared Wilson but he was not cleared by the Giants. I don't know if the doctors we are using are really lenient or the Giants we're just too cautious. I'd like TWO more opinions. One would be another outside source and the third would be our medical staff. If he clears all evaluations then he is worth bringing in to compete.

c.) Would Al hold us back from the future? Let's face it folks, he is 30 but a very aged 30. Would it be more benificial come draft Day if a guy like Lauranitis fell to pick 12? Would a guy like Dansby or Briggs be better in free agency and just keep a young DJ at MLB?

d.) How does this effect DJ? Ok, after being moved 4 times in 5 years it's going to start getting old. This was DJ's first year as a MLB on a very very horrible defense. I would hate to see DJ become disgruntled and want to leave after next season because of so many changes. If he WANTS to move back to WILL then that is a differant story and actually DJ might want Al back on the team and might be willing to do this to better the team. DJ in his first year at MLB smashed Wilsons tackle total at 141.

I would ad the unknown factor of what coach is going to be in charge of the D in there as well. As was pointed out earlier Bates scheme might not of fit AW very well. So that is up in the air.

Cap management should be considered as well. The team that signs AW would have to protect themselves by writing a shorter incentive laden contract.

DenBronx
01-10-2008, 02:15 PM
I agree with the theory.

A better LB corps will make the DL look less tragic in the run game.

A better DL will make the LB core look better as well.

I'd like both. I don't think fixing the DL alone is enough, and we need to add a real leader and playmaker to the LB corps. Wilson has always been a leader, but his play-making skills fell off in his final couple of years with us. I think Williams/Wilson/Winborn is better than Winborn/Williams/Webster, but I also think Williams/Laurinaitis/Winborn is better as well.

Improving the LB core is a good goal, but Al is definitely not the only option and without seeing him play I can't even say it's a good option. Functional Al is worth looking into, but Broken Al is not really an option.

~G


I'd prefer the 3rd option. I love Al but let's face it we are trying to fix a terrible defense. How long is Al going to be good for, 1 or 2 more years? How long would a guy like Laurinaitis be good for, 10 or 11 years?

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 02:17 PM
I would ad the unknown factor of what coach is going to be in charge of the D in there as well. As was pointed out earlier Bates scheme might not of fit AW very well. So that is up in the air.

Cap management should be considered as well. The team that signs AW would have to protect themselves by writing a shorter incentive laden contract.

Slowik is in charge of the D and will be making the calls.

DenBronx
01-10-2008, 02:18 PM
I would ad the unknown factor of what coach is going to be in charge of the D in there as well. As was pointed out earlier Bates scheme might not of fit AW very well. So that is up in the air.

Cap management should be considered as well. The team that signs AW would have to protect themselves by writing a shorter incentive laden contract.

Bates scheme was thrown out the window middle of last season. But the unknown still exist especially if Slowik actually does take over....which is another nightmare all inself to be discussed.

Cap management? Wilson woudn't and shouldn't command alot. I don't see teams trying to bust down the doors to sign him simply because there are too many questions with him. If he came back to Denver I'd say it would be mostly incentive based.

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 02:20 PM
I don't think the Broncos will even make an offer to Al.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 02:23 PM
Slowik is in charge of the D and will be making the calls.


For now. But is Bates position going to be replaced? I think Slowik is just in charge right now by default.

HolyDiver
01-10-2008, 02:25 PM
For now. But is Bates position going to be replaced? I think Slowik is just in charge right now by default.


They're working on a Deal with Norton Jr. but it won't be talked about until it's almost a done deal....................I'm hoping for that anyway. :salute:

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 02:26 PM
For now. But is Bates position going to be replaced? I think Slowik is just in charge right now by default.

No, this Slowiks D. Slowik is taking over where Bates left off. From the way I read, nobody else is coming in. I think Shanny's plan all the way through was to eventually replace Slowik with Bates once that time came. It just came sooner than expected.

DenBronx
01-10-2008, 02:26 PM
I don't think the Broncos will even make an offer to Al.

I think the Broncos will explore all options. In a way it's good our offseason started so quickly because there are just too many things to fix on both sides of the ball and the coaching staff. But you can pretty much bet that they will bring him in. In fact I wouldn't doubt that Wilson has already been speaking with his agent about it. This doesn't mean he will get signed though.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 02:26 PM
Bates scheme was thrown out the window middle of last season. But the unknown still exist especially if Slowik actually does take over....which is another nightmare all inself to be discussed.

Cap management? Wilson woudn't and shouldn't command alot. I don't see teams trying to bust down the doors to sign him simply because there are too many questions with him. If he came back to Denver I'd say it would be mostly incentive based.

As long as he doesnt end up on the Patriots next year!! :eek:

That would just piss me off.

topscribe
01-10-2008, 02:28 PM
No, this Slowiks D. Slowik is taking over where Bates left off. From the way I read, nobody else is coming in. I think Shanny's plan all the way through was to eventually replace Slowik with Bates once that time came. It just came sooner than expected.

Did you mean replace Bates with Slowik? :D

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DenBronx
01-10-2008, 02:29 PM
For now. But is Bates position going to be replaced? I think Slowik is just in charge right now by default.

That's what I'm hoping. I think as soon as a new DC is hired then Slowik will either a.) get canned or b.) Go back to coaching the LB's.


They're working on a Deal with Norton Jr. but it won't be talked about until it's almost a done deal....................I'm hoping for that anyway. :salute:

Do you have a link?

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 02:29 PM
Did you mean replace Bates with Slowik? :D

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Oops..LMAO!!

HolyDiver
01-10-2008, 02:30 PM
That's what I'm hoping. I think as soon as a new DC is hired then Slowik will either a.) get canned or b.) Go back to coaching the LB's.



Do you have a link?

No.................well, it's link to my vivid imagination.

DenBronx
01-10-2008, 02:31 PM
As long as he doesnt end up on the Patriots next year!! :eek:

That would just piss me off.

You and me both. Seau should retire, especially if he gets a ring and maybe even Bruschi. They are targeting Lauranaitis in the draft though.

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 02:33 PM
I wonder if Kubes has an interest in Al down in Texas. I'm not sure how they are sitting at LB, but that's always a possibility as well.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 02:35 PM
You and me both. Seau should retire, especially if he gets a ring and maybe even Bruschi. They are targeting Lauranaitis in the draft though.

You mean Graduate??! LOL! :lol:

Do the Pats have the 9ers 1st pick? If they do then they just might get him.:tsk:

turftoad
01-10-2008, 02:36 PM
Rice can actually play on the field. Wilson could not.

And............ they both produced about the same stats.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 02:39 PM
I wonder if Kubes has an interest in Al down in Texas. I'm not sure how they are sitting at LB, but that's always a possibility as well.


Now there is a real possibility. I can't remember, do the Texans still run the 3-4 or did they switch to the 4-3?

DenBronx
01-10-2008, 02:43 PM
You mean Graduate??! LOL! :lol:

Do the Pats have the 9ers 1st pick? If they do then they just might get him.:tsk:

I think Seau wants to start collecting SSI.

The Pats have the 9ers pick which is 7 or 8 I think. They had their 1st rounder taken which will be 32.

DenBronx
01-10-2008, 02:44 PM
I wonder if Kubes has an interest in Al down in Texas. I'm not sure how they are sitting at LB, but that's always a possibility as well.


oh god no....kubes cherry picks the broncos way too much.

tubby
01-10-2008, 03:00 PM
Houston has DeMeco Ryans at MLB.

BOSSHOGG30
01-10-2008, 03:06 PM
Why can't Al be brought in as a back up? Same as Webster... he was starting for the Bengals, but because of an injury Denver signed him as a back up and he proved he was healthy and made his way into the starting line up.

CoachChaz
01-10-2008, 03:15 PM
I like Webster. I think he'd be better as a WILL, but add a young guy or solid vet to replace Gold or even get a natural MIKE and move DJ back to WILL and I think the LB situation is set.

HolyDiver
01-10-2008, 03:22 PM
59 Ben Moffitt LB 6'2" 245 Sr Bushnell, FL

Coach, what do you think about Ben Moffitt? ..............South Florida, MLB. I saw him play a few games this past season...........Looked good.

BOSSHOGG30
01-10-2008, 03:29 PM
I don't think he is 245 HD... I think he is more like 230-235 lbs. Plus he is horrible in coverage, he is slow, and he gets run over a lot.

HolyDiver
01-10-2008, 03:32 PM
I don't think he is 245 HD... I think he is more like 230-235 lbs. Plus he is horrible in coverage, he is slow, and he gets run over a lot.


Hmmmmmm, okay, I didn't really see him in coverage much. He seems like a good tackler though, I thought. Maybe he just had a good game.

G_Money
01-10-2008, 04:06 PM
I like Moffitt way more than Coach does (which usually means I'm wrong, but I'm holding out hope anyway).

He's not that slow, and I think he'll play faster in the pros. He's an insane tackler, and he actually gets to the hole before the back does, which we would find incredibly useful.

I want a Sam who can cover. Webster did well against Gonzalez in the Chiefs games, IIRC. It's not my first qualification for a MLB. Moffitt does have stone-hands, but so did Al. He dropped more picks than any MLB I ever saw.

I can put up with that if I get other things in return. I'm curious to see how Moffitt does when measured against the other LBs at the all-star bowls and the combine.

~G

LoyalSoldier
01-10-2008, 04:14 PM
I guess I've been watching a different Al Wilson on the broncos than you have.. He is a terrific hitter one of the best, but many times the RB bounces off and continues for another 5-7 yards.. many times the RB is indeed knocked off his feet.. But AL is not quite the hero everyone remembers him as.. He is an oft injured player not at 100% giving his all when on the field. A great leader and called plays very well..

But he missed alot of tackles. I'm sure there are web sites that track such stuff. I'll let someone disprove me if they wish.

I will say this. He made the probowl several times and he never played a snap outside of a Denver uniform. He never had eye popping stats so I guess someone must have seen something in him.

sanluis
01-10-2008, 04:32 PM
I will say this. He made the probowl several times and he never played a snap outside of a Denver uniform. He never had eye popping stats so I guess someone must have seen something in him.

True. And while the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest with the fans vote the coaches and players votes count more and for AW to earn their respect speaks volumes. I would add as others have that AW makes the other players around him better. He might not get the big stat but help his team mate get it. He has always had that intangible it that you really can't measure!

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
01-10-2008, 05:07 PM
Al didnt always get the big stats because we always had the balance tackling stats and overall solid defense with him around. Denver used to be the most passed on team and least runned on team. Doesnt really give Al the chance to tackle everyone. But Al was a huge reason why teams didnt want to run on us all the time.

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
01-10-2008, 05:12 PM
I guess I've been watching a different Al Wilson on the broncos than you have.. He is a terrific hitter one of the best, but many times the RB bounces off and continues for another 5-7 yards.. many times the RB is indeed knocked off his feet.. But AL is not quite the hero everyone remembers him as.. He is an oft injured player not at 100% giving his all when on the field. A great leader and called plays very well..

But he missed alot of tackles. I'm sure there are web sites that track such stuff. I'll let someone disprove me if they wish.
give some examples and evidence of this many times RB's bouncing off.
i want more then just that laurence maroney play in 2006 week 3. Thats only time i REMEMBER Al missing a tackle.

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
01-10-2008, 05:19 PM
So you think Al Wilson would have made more tackles than DJ?

If Al Wilson were in the middle it would be more than 4.5 yards per carry.

thats not true England. DJ is great but he showed weaknesses in areas that are Wilsons strenghts. like Awareness.

Atabronc
01-10-2008, 05:29 PM
Al Wilson could be down to no arms and one good leg and I'd say let him compete.

For anyone who asks why, lemme just say Ravens/Broncos '06 for starters. Al is a stud who gave all for this team and the D isn't remotely the same without him.

Watchthemiddle
01-10-2008, 07:18 PM
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q224/jribbens02/alllll.gif

I would have quit football and moved to INdia to smoke pot too after that hit.

:salute:

weazel
01-10-2008, 07:47 PM
um not very many times.

are you sure you were watching the same al wilson these last few years??

Al was a top 5 MLB back in his time. And if he can still play then thats great. He is still young enough. Only 30.


actually, you are wrong. Al was not tackling very well his last two seasons (at least). He rarely wrapped someone up, and mostly went for the big hit, which cost him his injury.

While your trying to tell someone else they didnt watch the gaems, go back and watch them for yourself.

as for him playing, show up to camp and earn a spot!

sanluis
01-10-2008, 08:02 PM
I would have quit football and moved to INdia to smoke pot too after that hit.

:salute:

Do you have the clip of AW stuffing that RB from the Raiders? I think Wheatly was his name:confused:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/18/185559.jpg

That was wicked!!!

Bronco9798
01-10-2008, 08:14 PM
give some examples and evidence of this many times RB's bouncing off.
i want more then just that laurence maroney play in 2006 week 3. Thats only time i REMEMBER Al missing a tackle.

Apparently you didn't watch many Bronco games. There have been many missed tackles and blown assignments by AL. People get intrigued by a few big hits he puts on here and there and then ride his tail and talk about how great he is. These same people probably never go back and watch the game over a few times and watch exactly what happens through out the game.

Highlight films can make anybody look like an All-Pro. Problem is, they never see the rest of the game.

MOtorboat
01-10-2008, 08:15 PM
Do you have the clip of AW stuffing that RB from the Raiders? I think Wheatly was his name:confused:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/18/185559.jpg

That was wicked!!!

Yes, it was Tyrone Wheatley.

I can't find the video...

sanluis
01-10-2008, 08:17 PM
actually, you are wrong. Al was not tackling very well his last two seasons (at least). He rarely wrapped someone up, and mostly went for the big hit, which cost him his injury.While your trying to tell someone else they didnt watch the games, go back and watch them for yourself.

as for him playing, show up to camp and earn a spot!

BS On that!! Please see the meter!

He was injured when Warren slammed into him diving on the pile!!

Maybe you should go back and watch the games?


His Broncos teammate, Darrent Williams, had just fumbled the ball while trying to return a punt from field goal formation by Seattle's Josh Brown, and all Warren knew was the ball needed to be recovered. Warren dived after the ball, inadvertently nailing teammate Al Wilson in the head. Wilson's head snapped back viciously.

When Wilson was strapped onto a stretcher, his head immobilized, carted off the field and immediately placed in an ambulance, his condition looked grim to those who didn't see him move his extremities on the field.

Warren didn't know he hit Wilson.

BANJOPICKER1
01-10-2008, 09:08 PM
Well, I'll tell you: Al Wilson may not be able to wrap up, but it is quite a
coincidence . . . isn't it? . . . that he goes down last year, and since then the
Broncos have consistently been one of the three worst teams in the league
in rushing defense?

If AW is absolutely, positively, honestly healthy again, I would take him back
in a heartbeat. :coffee:

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Big fat Topscribe agree with this,if he can play WAYYYYY COOL!!!
MHS comming your way top!!:D

DenBronx
01-10-2008, 09:12 PM
BS On that!! Please see the meter!

He was injured when Warren slammed into him diving on the pile!!

Maybe you should go back and watch the games?


lol!

it took a charger fan to tell a bronco fan why their mlb left football.

pnbronco
01-10-2008, 09:55 PM
Well, I'll tell you: Al Wilson may not be able to wrap up, but it is quite a
coincidence . . . isn't it? . . . that he goes down last year, and since then the
Broncos have consistently been one of the three worst teams in the league
in rushing defense?

If AW is absolutely, positively, honestly healthy again, I would take him back
in a heartbeat. :coffee:

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Well said tops. If he's healthy I would take him in a heartbeat also.

tubby
01-11-2008, 12:27 AM
Lets not forget the sweet dance moves. :D


http://youtube.com/watch?v=fuLUN17QznA

:cool:

topscribe
01-11-2008, 02:05 AM
Big fat Topscribe agree with this,if he can play WAYYYYY COOL!!!
MHS comming your way top!!:D

How'd you know I'm big and fat? :shocked:

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AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
01-11-2008, 02:37 AM
actually, you are wrong. Al was not tackling very well his last two seasons (at least). He rarely wrapped someone up, and mostly went for the big hit, which cost him his injury.

While your trying to tell someone else they didnt watch the gaems, go back and watch them for yourself.

as for him playing, show up to camp and earn a spot!

al wilson got hurt on a special teams play so while your trying to tell me to watch the game my self i think you need to watch the game for your self.

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
01-11-2008, 02:39 AM
Apparently you didn't watch many Bronco games. There have been many missed tackles and blown assignments by AL. People get intrigued by a few big hits he puts on here and there and then ride his tail and talk about how great he is. These same people probably never go back and watch the game over a few times and watch exactly what happens through out the game.

Highlight films can make anybody look like an All-Pro. Problem is, they never see the rest of the game.

sorry that i dont have every game from 1970 saved on film. Sorry that i dont watch every game that we played every night. And im not one of those people that look at highlight films and say oh that guys good just because of the highligh film.

mclark
01-11-2008, 11:30 AM
Good point. Only problem with AL is he over over pursued quite a bit and end up grabbing, or just missing tackles all the time. I'm not sure Al would of been very successful in the scheme we played last year. Al is known to miss assignments as well.

Even admitting Al had a problem tackling, our linebacking play last year was much superior to our linebacking play this year. I'm not sure how Al could make us worse than we were this year.

mclark
01-11-2008, 11:38 AM
I like this guy in the middle if we don't go for Connor or Laurinitis.


Beau Bell
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 245 | 40-Time: 4.65

Official Bio

Strengths:
Excellent size and bulk...Terrific range and can go sideline-to-sideline...Very good timed speed...Real aggressive and has a good motor...Strong and tough...Violent and reliable tackler...A decent pass rusher and blitzer...Does a nice job versus the run...Active and a terror in pursuit...Extremely productive and makes a lot of plays.

Weaknesses:
Has some durability concerns...Not as athletic as his workout numbers would lead you to believe...Has tight hips and does not do a great job in man coverage...Poor ball skills...Too aggressive at times...Has some trouble shedding blocks...Instincts are relatively average...Leadership abilities and work ethic have been questioned.

Notes:
Given name is actually James Beaumont Bell...The younger brother of former Rebel linebacker Zach Bell...Backed up a couple of future pros in Adam Seward and Ryan Claridge early in his collegiate career...Can also project to inside linebacker at the next level...Has everything you look for physically and could be a workout warrior.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2004 11 26 1.0 0.0 0 0
2005 11 92 7.5 3.5 2 0
2006 7 76 9.0 4.0 0 0
2007 11 111 7.5 3.0 3 4
Totals 40 305 25.0 10.5 5 4

topscribe
01-11-2008, 11:56 AM
I like this guy in the middle if we don't go for Connor or Laurinitis.


Beau Bell
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 245 | 40-Time: 4.65

Official Bio

Strengths:
Excellent size and bulk...Terrific range and can go sideline-to-sideline...Very good timed speed...Real aggressive and has a good motor...Strong and tough...Violent and reliable tackler...A decent pass rusher and blitzer...Does a nice job versus the run...Active and a terror in pursuit...Extremely productive and makes a lot of plays.

Weaknesses:
Has some durability concerns...Not as athletic as his workout numbers would lead you to believe...Has tight hips and does not do a great job in man coverage...Poor ball skills...Too aggressive at times...Has some trouble shedding blocks...Instincts are relatively average...Leadership abilities and work ethic have been questioned.

Notes:
Given name is actually James Beaumont Bell...The younger brother of former Rebel linebacker Zach Bell...Backed up a couple of future pros in Adam Seward and Ryan Claridge early in his collegiate career...Can also project to inside linebacker at the next level...Has everything you look for physically and could be a workout warrior.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2004 11 26 1.0 0.0 0 0
2005 11 92 7.5 3.5 2 0
2006 7 76 9.0 4.0 0 0
2007 11 111 7.5 3.0 3 4
Totals 40 305 25.0 10.5 5 4

Decent speed for a MLB, and I like his size. Most of the weaknesses are
correctable, and even D!ck Butkus was not all that "athletic," and some
still regard him as the G.O.A.T. of MLBs. What really concern me, though,
are the questions regarding work ethic. If a MLB needs anything, it is work
ethic because he is the kingpin of the defense.

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G_Money
01-11-2008, 12:40 PM
Decent speed for a MLB, and I like his size. Most of the weaknesses are
correctable, and even D!ck Butkus was not all that "athletic," and some
still regard him as the G.O.A.T. of MLBs. What really concern me, though,
are the questions regarding work ethic. If a MLB needs anything, it is work
ethic because he is the kingpin of the defense.

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Beau Bell is FAR from lazy. He's a workout fiend and he spends a lot of time in the film room. I really dunno what work ethic issues they're talking about. Mabe I just haven't heard, but since about his sophomore year he's seemed like a guy who puts in the time. I would have liked to see him dominate a bit more playing out where he does in a smaller conference, but he's still got a lot of qualities I want in a LB.

I like Bell. Not in the 1st, but I like him.

~G

Skinny
01-11-2008, 02:11 PM
Wilson unlikely Bronco
By The Denver Post
01/11/2008

By Bill Williamson The Denver Post

With news coming this week that Al Wilson has been medically cleared to resume playing football, Broncos coach Shanahan was asked about the prospect of Wilson returning to Denver, which cut Wilson last April after a trade to the Giants was scuttled when he failed to pass the physical.

Wilson missed all of the 2007 season with a neck injury he suffered in December of 2006.

Shanahan declined to say whether the team is interested in Wilson, but it appears unlikely at this point that he'd return to Denver.

Wilson's agent, Peter Schaffer, fielded several calls Thursday from teams regarding Wilson. Wilson is free to sign with any team.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_7944231

Bronco9798
01-11-2008, 02:15 PM
I still don't think we see Al back in Denver. The team moved on from him and went another direction. He might play somewhere, but it won't be for the Broncos.

shank
01-11-2008, 02:24 PM
Wilson unlikely Bronco
By The Denver Post
01/11/2008

By Bill Williamson The Denver Post

With news coming this week that Al Wilson has been medically cleared to resume playing football, Broncos coach Shanahan was asked about the prospect of Wilson returning to Denver, which cut Wilson last April after a trade to the Giants was scuttled when he failed to pass the physical.

Wilson missed all of the 2007 season with a neck injury he suffered in December of 2006.

Shanahan declined to say whether the team is interested in Wilson, but it appears unlikely at this point that he'd return to Denver.

Wilson's agent, Peter Schaffer, fielded several calls Thursday from teams regarding Wilson. Wilson is free to sign with any team.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_7944231

this is pure speculation and has no facts.

that being said, i think it's unlikely that we see wilson as a bronco too, it just bugs me that the article sites absolutely no reason why it's unlikely....

Bronco9798
01-11-2008, 02:28 PM
Does anybody remember this (please correct me if I'm wrong) where Al was ready to play the last game of the season, I believe against San Diego, and Shanny made him inactive although he was cleared to play. Then there was something in the paper about Shanny and AL having a falling out. Anybody remember this?

HolyDiver
01-11-2008, 02:41 PM
Does anybody remember this (please correct me if I'm wrong) where Al was ready to play the last game of the season, I believe against San Diego, and Shanny made him inactive although he was cleared to play. Then there was something in the paper about Shanny and AL having a falling out. Anybody remember this?

I think that was against the Chargers, like you said..............the game in the rain where Van Pelt started at QB.............Wilson was wearing a cast and probably could have played, bur DJ played at MLB and did well.
I think that's the game, could be wrong.............We were already in the playoffs, he rested Plummer too.

Bronco9798
01-11-2008, 02:43 PM
I think that was against the Chargers, like you said..............the game in the rain where Van Pelt started at QB.............Wilson was wearing a cast and probably could have played, bur DJ played at MLB and did well.
I think that's the game, could be wrong.............We were already in the playoffs, he rested Plummer too.

Yeah that's the game, but the next day there was a write up in the post or News about Al and Shanny having a falling out. I'm pretty sure we talked about it over at the Freak when it happened.

HolyDiver
01-11-2008, 02:51 PM
Yeah that's the game, but the next day there was a write up in the post or News about Al and Shanny having a falling out. I'm pretty sure we talked about it over at the Freak when it happened.


I think Wilson was wearing a cast.............I am pretty sure I have that game on tape too..............I'll check tonight.............I just keep remembering Wilson on the sideline in street clothes, wearing a cast................I think he was kept out to protect him.

BeefStew25
01-11-2008, 02:53 PM
I still don't think we see Al back in Denver. The team moved on from him and went another direction. He might play somewhere, but it won't be for the Broncos.

See, why can't we get you to say that same statement about Jake Plummer? :D

BOSSHOGG30
01-11-2008, 03:02 PM
All I know is it will be weird seeing Al Wilson playing football in another NFL uniform. I hope him the best, but I also hope he finishes as a Denver Bronco.

pnbronco
01-11-2008, 11:12 PM
All I know is it will be weird seeing Al Wilson playing football in another NFL uniform. I hope him the best, but I also hope he finishes as a Denver Bronco.

I agree. It just feels weird thinking about him being in a different uniform.

Bronco9798
01-12-2008, 03:17 AM
We saw Atwater in a Jets jersey. That was disturbing.

xzn
01-18-2008, 03:04 PM
Any news on if the Broncos have contacted Al or if there are any talks going on between the two parties?

fcspikeit
01-18-2008, 03:17 PM
We saw Atwater in a Jets jersey. That was disturbing.

It was heart braking! I loved Atwater... The year Sharp left to the Ravens sucked too!

pnbronco
01-18-2008, 03:28 PM
We saw Atwater in a Jets jersey. That was disturbing.

That was really sad. I was so glad the Broncos signed him for the day so he could retire as a Bronco.

xzn
01-18-2008, 03:43 PM
That was really sad. I was so glad the Broncos signed him for the day so he could retire as a Bronco.

That whole season pretty well sucked. We also lost Sharpe and Neil Smith right? Duke retired. TD got hurt in the fourth game... :rolleyes:

Come to think on it... that was the worst season until this last one :confused:

topscribe
01-18-2008, 04:16 PM
That whole season pretty well sucked. We also lost Sharpe and Neil Smith right? Duke retired. TD got hurt in the fourth game... :rolleyes:

Come to think on it... that was the worst season until this last one :confused:

Well, actually, I suffered 14 of them before the Broncos ever had a winning seaon . . .

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xzn
01-18-2008, 04:19 PM
Well, actually, I suffered 14 of them before the Broncos ever had a winning seaon . . .

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So, your saying you're old?

:D

I've only been a fan for 30 years, since I was like 7, going back to the first SB so I guess I missed the vertical socks era... lucky me:salute: