JWalks updated mock trading the 09 1st round pick.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Round 1, Pick# 12 - Kenny Phillips, (S) Miami
Round 1, Pick# 20 - Sam Baker, (OT) USC
Round 2, Pick# 12 - Jamaal Charles, (RB) Texas
Round 4, Pick# 8 - Ben Moffitt, (MLB) South Florida
Round 4, Pick# 12 - Malik Jackson, (OLB) Louisville
Round 5, Pick# 4 - Dorien Bryant, (WR) Purdue
Round 5, Pick# 12 - Dre Moore, (DT) Maryland
Round 6, Pick# 12 - Jacob Hester, (FB) LSU
Round 7, Pick# 12 - Brian Witherspoon, (CB) Stillman

[MOtorboat]

Do we have to get a new thread every time you change your mind on what should happen?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Oh and the trade is sending our next years first to the Redskins along with Javon Walker. I think that would be a great move for them and us. We can go ahead and get our franchise Tackle and pick up Jordan Gross to play LG and the OL shoul dbe set exspecially on Cutlers blind side.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Do we have to get a new thread every time you change your mind on what should happen?

Obviously.

[mopatt24]

Doesn't sound too bad, another good scenario

[MOtorboat]

Doesn't sound too bad, another good scenario

Implausible, but good for the Broncos, yeah.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Explain why it would not be good for Philly or the Skins?

[MOtorboat]

Explain why it would not be good for Philly or the Skins?

OK, so the Skins give up their first round pick for a wide receiver coming off an injury and who will probably be, at best, their No. 2 wide receiver, so that we can have two first round picks. Two first round picks to a good organization that could have a good shot at getting a pick in the 20s next season. So, the Skins give up this year's 20th pick for the 20th pick next year (at least) and an injury prone receiver when they made the playoffs this year with their backup quarterback and they just have a few holes. Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me.

[MOtorboat]

Not to mention, that the Broncos, as an organization aren't ready to compete for the Super Bowl next year, and yet you want them to get rid of their first pick next year, so that you lose any sort of talent addition next year to sacrifice for this upcoming year.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

OK, so the Skins give up their first round pick for a wide receiver coming off an injury and who will probably be, at best, their No. 2 wide receiver, so that we can have two first round picks. Two first round picks to a good organization that could have a good shot at getting a pick in the 20s next season. So, the Skins give up this year's 20th pick for the 20th pick next year (at least) and an injury prone receiver when they made the playoffs this year with their backup quarterback and they just have a few holes. Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me.

Most people believe as i do Javon is not in it Mentally, He was healthy at the end of the year but Shanny didnt play him much for a reason. Skins fans actually want to bring Walker in because hes a big WR and has all the talent, They have a bunch of midget wide outs who do the same old thing. Who knows where we will pick next year? Our record has been getting worst and worst the last 3 season huh?? They don thave a go to WR and thats a fact. Moss is good but hes the long home run hitter, Randle El= Same thing. Javon Walker would be just what there looking for.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Not to mention, that the Broncos, as an organization aren't ready to compete for the Super Bowl next year, and yet you want them to get rid of their first pick next year, so that you lose any sort of talent addition next year to sacrifice for this upcoming year.

Then you say not to mention Broncos are not a SB caliber team right after that post up above?? Hmm Broncos can afford to get rid of a first round pick for a franchise tackle. Were going to have to draft one sooner or later so why not now? We dont need a firt round pick if we get Cutlers franchise Left tackle this year.

[MOtorboat]

Most people believe as i do Javon is not in it Mentally, He was healthy at the end of the year but Shanny didnt play him much for a reason. Skins fans actually want to bring Walker in because hes a big WR and has all the talent, They have a bunch of midget wide outs who do the same old thing. Who knows where we will pick next year? Our record has been getting worst and worst the last 3 season huh?? They don thave a go to WR and thats a fact. Moss is good but hes the long home run hitter, Randle El= Same thing. Javon Walker would be just what there looking for.

Walker is a speed receiver, so whatever. If Denver makes that trade its mortgaging the future for nothing, really. The Redskins may be willing to pay Walker, but as much as we joke about it, they aren't idiots. How do you know he was healthy? He didn't look it to me. He looked tentative. Would a change of scenery benefit him...maybe for a while, just like it did from Green Bay to Washington. This would be a dumb trade for both teams, and it probably won't happen.

I'd be more inclined to think Washington would trade a fourth for Walker, straight up...if that...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

My head hurts

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Walker is a speed receiver, so whatever. If Denver makes that trade its mortgaging the future for nothing, really. The Redskins may be willing to pay Walker, but as much as we joke about it, they aren't idiots. How do you know he was healthy? He didn't look it to me. He looked tentative. Would a change of scenery benefit him...maybe for a while, just like it did from Green Bay to Washington. This would be a dumb trade for both teams, and it probably won't happen.

I'd be more inclined to think Washington would trade a fourth for Walker, straight up...if that...

Why would Denver need a first round pick next year?? Walker has speed but hes more of a possesion wide out. This tradew ould work out great for both teams. Philly or the Skins would be all over this thing. As there fans are already hoping.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

My head hurts

Then go lay down.

[MOtorboat]

Why would Denver need a first round pick next year?? Walker has speed but hes more of a possesion wide out. This tradew ould work out great for both teams. Philly or the Skins would be all over this thing. As there fans are already hoping.

Because they aren't going to compete this year, and there are always holes. There aren't enough talented players this year to really justify doing something that stupid.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Never trade away future #1s...right San Fran?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Because they aren't going to compete this year, and there are always holes. There aren't enough talented players this year to really justify doing something that stupid.

Yes there is when you got a franchise tackle out of the deal.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Never trade away future #1s...right San Fran?

Comparing Broncos to the Niners??? Niners dont even have a franchise QB to go with that big time Tackle they got. We got Jay Cutler whose only missing a franchise Tackle to protect that backside boy.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Comparing Broncos to the Niners??? Niners dont even have a franchise QB to go with that big time Tackle they got. We got Jay Cutler whose only missing a franchise Tackle to protect that backside boy.

But last year at this time it looked as though they did. They just boneheaded up their future cuz they got a little overconfident and assumed they'd be a playoff team/legit contender. Now they are set back a year or 2 and would have had a chance to grab a Sedrick Ellis or a stud CB...or Phillips since their Safeties are garbage...or a qb.

We sucked this year...plain and simple. It's WAY too risky to trade away a potential top 10 pick.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

They was set back when they drafted Alex Smith number 1 overall lol. Had nothing to do with trading that pick last year.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Wrong. He was coming along nicely. He, Gore and Vern almost got em in the playoffs. He had shown improvement each season and throughout last year. Also, he played hurt this year, which could have sumthin to do w/ his dip in productivity.

He went from 1 TD and 11 INTs to 16 each the next year w/ no remarkable receiving threat.

[MOtorboat]

Wrong. He was coming along nicely. He, Gore and Vern almost got em in the playoffs. He had shown improvement each season and throughout last year. Also, he played hurt this year, which could have sumthin to do w/ his dip in productivity.

He went from 1 TD and 11 INTs to 16 each the next year w/ no remarkable receiving threat.

And the 49ers have no first round talent coming in next year, do they?

[EMB6903]

Do we have to get a new thread every time you change your mind on what should happen?

Instead of Acting like a female, why dont you talk about Football.... Unbelievable crying over a thread.


anyways.... I'd love Sam Baker in Denver, IMO easily the 2nd best Tackle in this class who dropped over him missing time over injury, I'd love if Denver could pull off what Bmarsh said (Javon Walker and 09 1st) but I dont see it happening.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

eh...I see baker as kinda soft. If we go OT in round 1, I want a bruiser who will push the pile in short yardage. Otah or Clady.

[MOtorboat]

Instead of Acting like a female, why dont you talk about Football.... Unbelievable crying over a thread.


anyways.... I'd love Sam Baker in Denver, IMO easily the 2nd best Tackle in this class who dropped over him missing time over injury, I'd love if Denver could pull off what Bmarsh said (Javon Walker and 09 1st) but I dont see it happening.

Should read the thread. Please explain the logic behind Washington trading the No. 20 pick for Javon Walker...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

And the 49ers have no first round talent coming in next year, do they?

not now. BUt at least they have a young OT and no WRs or defensive backfield.

[EMB6903]

Never trade away future #1s...right San Fran?

yes.. ask the Redskins that... who got there Starting Quarterback for doing so.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

And the 49ers have no first round talent coming in next year, do they?

So the Niners need a wide out huh? If they did have that pick they would probably draft a wide out right? They can easily got sign a Berrian or Johnson and be just fine. They dont need a first round pick to fix there problem, And to the smilin guy, Smith is a BUST. Comparing the Niners to the Broncos is just crazy.

[EMB6903]

Should read the thread. Please explain the logic behind Washington trading the No. 20 pick for Javon Walker...

didnt you read my post... "I dont see it happening" open those eyes kiddo... Thanks!

[MOtorboat]

yes.. ask the Redskins that... who got there Starting Quarterback for doing so.

LMAO! Um...their quarterback was a first-rounder. Time for some research there stud.

[MOtorboat]

Instead of Acting like a female, why dont you talk about Football.... Unbelievable crying over a thread.


anyways.... I'd love Sam Baker in Denver, IMO easily the 2nd best Tackle in this class who dropped over him missing time over injury, I'd love if Denver could pull off what Bmarsh said (Javon Walker and 09 1st) but I dont see it happening.


didnt you read my post... "I dont see it happening" open those eyes kiddo... Thanks!

I did...apparently, you have a short memory.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

LMAO! Um...their quarterback was a first-rounder. Time for some research there stud.

What the??????? Duh. I think your clearly clueless right about now.

[EMB6903]

LMAO! Um...their quarterback was a first-rounder. Time for some research there stud.

yes.. they traded there FUTURE FIRST ROUNDER FOR JASON CAMPBELL.. I was commenting on smilinassasins "never trade future 1st round picks, right niners"


OPEN THOSE EYES KIDDO, THANKS!

[EMB6903]

sign off and go to bed missouribronco, the more you say the more foolish you look. No offense.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

yes.. they traded there FUTURE FIRST ROUNDER FOR JASON CAMPBELL.. I was commenting on smilinassasins "never trade future 1st round picks, right niners"


OPEN THOSE EYES KIDDO, THANKS!

And how is that working for them? They were out of the playoffs til he got hurt. Todd Frickin Collins outplayed him. Nice argument.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

sign off and go to bed missouribronco, the more you say the more foolish you look. No offense.

WOW...yer an *******.

[MOtorboat]

sign off and go to bed missouribronco, the more you say the more foolish you look. No offense.

LOL, idiot. The Redskins traded up to get a mediocre quarterback. What's your point. Giving away next year's No. 1 has helped them in what respect?

I'm not the one looking like a moron, but whatever.

[EMB6903]

And how is that working for them? They were out of the playoffs til he got hurt. Todd Frickin Collins outplayed him. Nice argument.

In Campbell's first 20 starts he has 22 td's and 17 ints... with 58% passing percentage.. I wouldnt say thats too bad for your first 20 starts.. do you?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

And how is that working for them? They were out of the playoffs til he got hurt. Todd Frickin Collins outplayed him. Nice argument.

Its easy for a back up to come in and have success for a few games. Happens alot actually. Collins looked great in the playoffs though didnt he? Redskins franchise QB is Cambell. They traded a future pick because they think hes a franchise player. Just like the Browns did. Its not rare. Broncos can ue a franchise LT.

[MOtorboat]

yes.. they traded there FUTURE FIRST ROUNDER FOR JASON CAMPBELL.. I was commenting on smilinassasins "never trade future 1st round picks, right niners"


OPEN THOSE EYES KIDDO, THANKS!

Open them for...please explain. I'm confused. I need to go to bed and I'm an idiot. Jason Campbell has done?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

LOL, idiot. The Redskins traded up to get a mediocre quarterback. What's your point. Giving away next year's No. 1 has helped them in what respect?

I'm not the one looking like a moron, but whatever.

How do we know hes a average QB??? Time will tell if hes average or not. ALex Smith is a bust though.

[EMB6903]

LOL, idiot. The Redskins traded up to get a mediocre quarterback. What's your point. Giving away next year's No. 1 has helped them in what respect?

I'm not the one looking like a moron, but whatever.


your judging campbell's first 20 starts on where the redskins are at now?? so I guess in your logic Cutler is a bust.. seeing we havent won SUQAT with him starting these last 21 games.. right?

[MOtorboat]

In Campbell's first 20 starts he has 22 td's and 17 ints... with 58% passing percentage.. I wouldnt say thats too bad for your first 20 starts.. do you?

That took them where?

Gosh, that was worth trading away a first-round pick wasn't it?

Which frankly is a stupid argument, because we're talking about trading away a first-round pick next year for a draft pick that A.) isn't a quarterback and B.) is part of mediocre draft class.

Yeah, I'm the idiot. OK...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Its easy for a back up to come in and have success for a few games. Happens alot actually. Collins looked great in the playoffs though didnt he? Redskins franchise QB is Cambell. They traded a future pick because they think hes a franchise player. Just like the Browns did. Its not rare. Broncos can ue a franchise LT.

And don't you think that Cleveland REALLY wants that pick back now? A CB they could get at 22 gets them the division title next year. Instead...no pick and a QB controversey...and possibly a mutiny if they ley Anderson go. BRILLIANT!

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

your judging campbell's first 20 starts on where the redskins are at now?? so I guess in your logic Cutler is a bust.. seeing we havent won SUQAT with him starting these last 21 games.. right?

Yeah basically thats what hes saying.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

How do we know hes a average QB??? Time will tell if hes average or not. ALex Smith is a bust though.

I'm not ready to call Smith a bust just yet. Again, HUGE improvement from years 1 to 2 and an injury plagued year this year which held him to 7 games.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

And don't you think that Cleveland REALLY wants that pick back now? A CB they could get at 22 gets them the division title next year. Instead...no pick and a QB controversey...and possibly a mutiny if they ley Anderson go. BRILLIANT!

Browns will trade Anderson and get that 1st round pick right back. BRILLIANT

[EMB6903]

That took them where?

Gosh, that was worth trading away a first-round pick wasn't it?

Which frankly is a stupid argument, because we're talking about trading away a first-round pick next year for a draft pick that A.) isn't a quarterback and B.) is part of mediocre draft class.

Yeah, I'm the idiot. OK...


what did Denver get that year from the skins, the 22nd overall pick? Washington thinks this will be there franchise Quarterback for years to come, trading away a "FUTURE LATE 1st rounder" for what you think will be your starting qb for years to come? Skins made out well with that trade.. other then giving us a 3rd rounder as well, but that has nothing to do with this argument

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I'm not ready to call Smith a bust just yet. Again, HUGE improvement from years 1 to 2 and an injury plagued year this year which held him to 7 games.

How many years has he been in this league again?? Shows ZERO signs of being a stud

[EMB6903]

WOW...yer an *******.

what are you mizzou's mommy? get off his jock..

[SmilinAssasSin27]

How many years has he been in this league again?? Shows ZERO signs of being a stud

Well...you could look at it like...his TDs went from 1-16. That's somehwat studlike given he has no viable WR options...but he could if they had a pick this year.

[EMB6903]

How many years has he been in this league again?? Shows ZERO signs of being a stud

besides the late 4th and OT in Denver 2 years ago...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

what are you mizzou's mommy? get off his jock..

Why should you care who I agree w/. Just cuz it's obviously not you...

[SmilinAssasSin27]

besides the late 4th and OT in Denver 2 years ago...

Now THAT is a good point.

[MOtorboat]

what are you mizzou's mommy? get off his jock..

You're an idiot, but yeah, I feel ya.

Washington traded a pick to get a quarterback. You guys are advocating trading a pick to get what?

It's not my fault that you have no clue how this whole draft thing works.

[EMB6903]

I dont care that you agree with him, that has nothing to do with why I said that to you, its because when I said to mizzou "go to bed because you are looking foolish" you attacked me.. clearly you have feelings for the guy.

[EMB6903]

You're an idiot, but yeah, I feel ya.

Washington traded a pick to get a quarterback. You guys are advocating trading a pick to get what?

It's not my fault that you have no clue how this whole draft thing works.

ya back away from the argument by calling me names... that will work.. and its not your fault that I dont know how this whole draft thing works, what does that mean? lol

[MOtorboat]

I dont care that you agree with him, that has nothing to do with why I said that to you, its because when I said to mizzou "go to bed because you are looking foolish" you attacked me.. clearly you have feelings for the guy.

Make a valid point. We'll talk. Make stupid points, and people laugh.

So, go ahead...please make a valid point and quit attacking Smilin'. He's forgot more than you'll ever know, apparently.

[EMB6903]

Tell me Skins regret trading there future first round for Jason Campbell all you want, its just ignorant, thats all.

[EMB6903]

A valid point, like how Skins got a solid quarterback for a late 1st rounder?

[MOtorboat]

ya back away from the argument by calling me names... that will work.. and its not your fault that I dont know how this whole draft thing works, what does that mean? lol

24 posts and you're attacking people. Please explain the benefit (see, I've already asked this, and you called Assassin my mommy) how giving away a first-round draft pick is beneficial. No...go ahead...I'll wait.

Attacking? That was your first post in the thread idiot.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I dont care that you agree with him, that has nothing to do with why I said that to you, its because when I said to mizzou "go to bed because you are looking foolish" you attacked me.. clearly you have feelings for the guy.

Not as much of an attack...cuz you were being an *******. It's possible to disagree w/o coming off like a dik.

[EMB6903]

explain to me how skins regret trading a future 1st rounder for Jason Campbell, there Starter

[MOtorboat]

Not as much of an attack...cuz you were being an *******. It's possible to disagree w/o coming off like a dik.

Apparently it isn't for this *******.

[EMB6903]

lol, 1000 posts and you have been here since december... funny you are bringing up how many posts I have... LMAO!

[MOtorboat]

explain to me how skins regret trading a future 1st rounder for Jason Campbell, there Starter

No, actually, please explain how they've benefited...that would be more beneficial to your argument.

[EMB6903]

again mizzou, can you explain to me how the skins lost on that trade?? you love to avoid talking football... come on

[EMB6903]

Ive seen quiet a few games where Campbell has shown his upside.. just because his team hasnt won doesnt mean they have lost out. the guys thrown more td's then ints and has a passing % over 57.... is that bad?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

explain to me how skins regret trading a future 1st rounder for Jason Campbell, there Starter

actually it's "their" starter

[SmilinAssasSin27]

again mizzou, can you explain to me how the skins lost on that trade?? you love to avoid talking football... come on

OK...who was available to be drafted the following season at QB? If they missed out on a stud for their current average QB who was taking the team nowhere, then it was a huge mistake. We had to do some moving, but landed Cutler the next season. Would you rather have Cutty or Campbell?

[EMB6903]

actually it's "their" starter

wow, you clearly are reaching, you made a post over grammar.. try talking football?


but like I asked earlier but you two failed to answer, how did the skins lose in that trade between us ?

[MOtorboat]

again mizzou, can you explain to me how the skins lost on that trade?? you love to avoid talking football... come on

Yeah, actually I can.

The Broncos got Jay Cutler.

The Redskins got Jason Campball.

Which one would you rather have?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

wow, you clearly are reaching, you made a post over grammar.. try talking football?


but like I asked earlier but you two failed to answer, how did the skins lose in that trade between us ?

ummmm....look at the post before yours.

[EMB6903]

OK...who was available to be drafted the following season at QB? If they missed out on a stud for their current average QB who was taking the team nowhere, then it was a huge mistake. We had to do some moving, but landed Cutler the next season. Would you rather have Cutty or Campbell?


how stupid.. Cutler was 11th overall... Skins would have had the 22nd overall pick if they hadnt traded it away.. no quarterback that was drafted 22nd or later is nearly as good as Jason Campbell. so really that was just stupid.

[MOtorboat]

Well, Assassin, I guess this dude would rather have Campbell.

Also a wonderful evaluator of talent. BTW, how'd that Carlos Rogers pick work out for them. 4 INTs in 3 years. That was brilliant too.

[MOtorboat]

how stupid.. Cutler was 11th overall... Skins would have had the 22nd overall pick if they hadnt traded it away.. no quarterback that was drafted 22nd or later is nearly as good as Jason Campbell. so really that was just stupid.

LMAO! Because Joe Montana wasn't a third-round pick and Tom Brady wasn't a sixth round pick.

Good logic.

[EMB6903]

Yeah, actually I can.

The Broncos got Jay Cutler.

The Redskins got Jason Campball.

Which one would you rather have?

what does Jay Cutler have to do with anything? please this is a serious question, why are you bringing up our quarterback?

[EMB6903]

LMAO! Because Joe Montana wasn't a third-round pick and Tom Brady wasn't a sixth round pick.

Good logic.

what quarterback in that class is gonna be the next Joe Montana or Tom Brady in the 2006 draft class? tavaris jackson??? Kellen Clemens???? who???

[Bronco9798]

Give it up guys. you all ain't going to accomplish anything.

[EMB6903]

Well, Assassin, I guess this dude would rather have Campbell.

Also a wonderful evaluator of talent. BTW, how'd that Carlos Rogers pick work out for them. 4 INTs in 3 years. That was brilliant too.

seriously Missouri.. what does Jay Cutler or Carlos Rogers have to do with anything? The Argument was if the Redskins lost on the trade made with the Broncos when trading away there future 1st round to get an extra first round to get a Quarterback who will start for years?? Of Course Jay cutler is better.. but what does that have to do with anything.. seriously learn football

[MOtorboat]

A.) You started the name calling.


what does Jay Cutler have to do with anything? please this is a serious question, why are you bringing up our quarterback?

B.) That's what the trade eventually gave Denver.


what quarterback in that class is gonna be the next Joe Montana or Tom Brady in the 2006 draft class? tavaris jackson??? Kellen Clemens???? who???

C.) Then why trade up to get a mediocre quarterback.

Again. We talked football after you started the name calling. Don't be an idiot.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

how stupid.. Cutler was 11th overall... Skins would have had the 22nd overall pick if they hadnt traded it away.. no quarterback that was drafted 22nd or later is nearly as good as Jason Campbell. so really that was just stupid.

Not really...if you look at the draft history of Shanny he gets fixated on certain players...this time it was Cutty. Shanny made the move he felt he needed to make to move up. He just happened to end up at 11. Who was next in line?

Bmore? wanted Ngata from the door and got McNair
Cleveland? Still liked Frye at the time and wanted a LB
Philly? McNabb
St. Louis? Bulger...but that would have been our pick
Miami?

That means that the skins woulda had to jump 8 spots...from 22 to 14, to beat out Shanny. It would take fewer than 400 chart points to get to #14.


SO, as stupid as you say I am, you see that they'd have been able to land Cutler. Shanny clearly overplayed his hand on this one. I'm glad he did, but I believe he could have waited and still gotten his man.

[EMB6903]

ok... missouri, pay attention what Denver did with that pick has nothing to do with anything, you guys said giving away your future first round pick wasnt a good idea, the Broncos trading up and getting a player with that pick has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT... the point was they traded a 22nd overall pick for a quarterback whos there starter right now and will be for years to come. Ill take a franchise quarterback for trading my future first rounder (which was a late 1st).. wouldnt you?

[EMB6903]

Not really...if you look at the draft history of Shanny he gets fixated on certain players...this time it was Cutty. Shanny made the move he felt he needed to make to move up. He just happened to end up at 11. Who was next in line?

Bmore? wanted Ngata from the door and got McNair
Cleveland? Still liked Frye at the time and wanted a LB
Philly? McNabb
St. Louis? Bulger...but that would have been our pick
Miami?

That means that the skins woulda had to jump 8 spots...from 22 to 14, to beat out Shanny. It would take fewer than 400 chart points to get to #14.


SO, as stupid as you say I am, you see that they'd have been able to land Cutler. Shanny clearly overplayed his hand on this one. I'm glad he did, but I believe he could have waited and still gotten his man.


what in the hell does this have to do with saying if the SKINS BENIFITED FROM THIS TRADE we arent talking about denver, rememeber???

[EMB6903]

smh @ smilin, hes bringing up Bulger and Ngata out of nowhere, WTF??

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Rightttt Shanny made the move he needed to make and went and got his guy no matter what. So if theres another guy like a franchise tackle who can protect Cutlers back for a decade then why wouldn the do it?? Just like the Skins made there move for a guy they wanna build there franchise around. Same thing.

[EMB6903]

A.) You started the name calling.



B.) That's what the trade eventually gave Denver.



C.) Then why trade up to get a mediocre quarterback.
Again. We talked football after you started the name calling. Don't be an idiot.

what makes you think hes just a mediocre quarterback?

[Bronco9798]

ok... missouri, pay attention what Denver did with that pick has nothing to do with anything, you guys said giving away your future first round pick wasnt a good idea, the Broncos trading up and getting a player with that pick has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT... the point was they traded a 22nd overall pick for a quarterback whos there starter right now and will be for years to come. Ill take a franchise quarterback for trading my future first rounder (which was a late 1st).. wouldnt you?

Jason Campbell isn't a franchise QB. He's a friggn hack trying to make it in the NFL right now. He'll end up being a career back up or journeyman when it is all said and done.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

ok... missouri, pay attention what Denver did with that pick has nothing to do with anything, you guys said giving away your future first round pick wasnt a good idea, the Broncos trading up and getting a player with that pick has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT... the point was they traded a 22nd overall pick for a quarterback whos there starter right now and will be for years to come. Ill take a franchise quarterback for trading my future first rounder (which was a late 1st).. wouldnt you?

Personally...not me. I've never been a big fan of giving up the unknown. Again, look at San Fran. Do ya think they'd have made the deal if they knew they'd have a top 8 pick? I don't.

And I also don't believe Campbell is a "franchise" QB.

But alas, I sick of the banter. This is where I am coming from and we can simply agree to disagree if ya still don't feel my points warrant consideration.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

smh @ smilin, hes bringing up Bulger and Ngata out of nowhere, WTF??

Thats what people do when there losing, They tend to go further and further off topic every post.

[EMB6903]

LOL, idiot. The Redskins traded up to get a mediocre quarterback. What's your point. Giving away next year's No. 1 has helped them in what respect?

I'm not the one looking like a moron, but whatever.


and you said Im the one who started calling names?? I believe that was you.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

smh @ smilin, hes bringing up Bulger and Ngata out of nowhere, WTF??

Are you even capable of following?

9798, help me here. You may agree or not, but am I that unclear in my point? Be honest.

[EMB6903]

Thats what people do when there losing, They tend to go further and further off topic every post.

lol, they are just confused.. I can go on all night too.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Thats what people do when there losing, They tend to go further and further off topic every post.

It's actually dead on topic...pay attention to the whole thing please. The point was to show yer buddy what Washington COULD HAVE HAD if they woulda kept the pick. Got it now?

[EMB6903]

Are you even capable of following?

9798, help me here. You may agree or not, but am I that unclear in my point? Be honest.

you just go off track, again let me ask you and please make sense when you respond, what does Haloti Ngata and Marc bulger along with the Cleveland Browns have to do with the Redskins benefiting on the trade they made for Jason Campbell??


stop going off topic.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Are you even capable of following?

9798, help me here. You may agree or not, but am I that unclear in my point? Be honest.

Oh wow you call on a guy whose a part of you all click for a honest answer??

[Bronco9798]

Are you even capable of following?

9798, help me here. You may agree or not, but am I that unclear in my point? Be honest.

I got lost on page 3, seriously. All the bantering back and forth left me confused. I know one thing, anyone calling Jason Campbell a franchise QB isn't very football smart. He's a friggin hack. And 57 or 58% is under the 60% that a QB should be at. He's a HACK!!!!

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

It's actually dead on topic...pay attention to the whole thing please. The point was to show yer buddy what Washington COULD HAVE HAD if they woulda kept the pick. Got it now?

Why would washington have needed Cutler after drafting Cambell???

[EMB6903]

lol, asking for help... man up smilin.. lets talk some football

[SmilinAssasSin27]

you just go off track, again let me ask you and please make sense when you respond, what does Haloti Ngata and Marc bulger along with the Cleveland Browns have to do with the Redskins benefiting on the trade they made for Jason Campbell??


stop going off topic.

TRY and pay attention...as I said it's ON topic. The Skins did not necessarily benefit because the pick they gave up was w/ in reach of drafting jay Cutler. Ngata and Bulger matter because it demonstrates needs of the teams drafting ahead of the Skins. If these teams didn't want a QB...Jay would last longer on the board. The longer he lasts, the closer he gets to Washington's pick...thus they could have had their stud QB by simply moving up 6-8 spots and giving an additional #2 or 3...and we all seem to agree that Cutty is worlds better than campbell.

[EMB6903]

I got lost on page 3, seriously. All the bantering back and forth left me confused. I know one thing, anyone calling Jason Campbell a franchise QB isn't very football smart. He's a friggin hack. And 57 or 58% is under the 60% that a QB should be at. He's a HACK!!!!

yes, for your first 20 games throwing 58% is bad... judging somebody over there first 20 starts has to be stupid.. and I said "what they think will be there franchise qb" to say the guy doesnt have potential is ignorant. the guys definately shown upside in his 20 starts.. do you watch football?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I got lost on page 3, seriously. All the bantering back and forth left me confused. I know one thing, anyone calling Jason Campbell a franchise QB isn't very football smart. He's a friggin hack. And 57 or 58% is under the 60% that a QB should be at. He's a HACK!!!!

Cambell team was in the playoffs....... Lol @ hes a hack because he dont have a higher percentage than 60% bwahahahahahha

[SmilinAssasSin27]

lol, asking for help... man up smilin.. lets talk some football

A-I KNOW he's capable of rational thought.

B-At this point, yer either clueless or screwing with me...sumthin tells me it's the latter.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

TRY and pay attention...as I said it's ON topic. The Skins did not necessarily benefit because the pick they gave up was w/ in reach of drafting jay Cutler. Ngata and Bulger matter because it demonstrates needs of the teams drafting ahead of the Skins. If these teams didn't want a QB...Jay would last longer on the board. The longer he lasts, the closer he gets to Washington's pick...thus they could have had their stud QB by simply moving up 6-8 spots and giving an additional #2 or 3...and we all seem to agree that Cutty is worlds better than campbell.

You aint doing jack but MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING. Talking about things thats already played out. LMAO.

[EMB6903]

TRY and pay attention...as I said it's ON topic. The Skins did not necessarily benefit because the pick they gave up was w/ in reach of drafting jay Cutler. Ngata and Bulger matter because it demonstrates needs of the teams drafting ahead of the Skins. If these teams didn't want a QB...Jay would last longer on the board. The longer he lasts, the closer he gets to Washington's pick...thus they could have had their stud QB by simply moving up 6-8 spots and giving an additional #2 or 3...and we all seem to agree that Cutty is worlds better than campbell.

ok, the skins had the 22nd pick that year (IF THEY DIDNT TRADE IT AWAY)

Cutler went 11th

Ngata went 12th

now tell me how were the Skins suppose to land those 2 players? if Cutler lasted to washington's pick, why did denver trade up SMART GUY?? Cutler wouldnt have made it past 15 I guarentee you that.

[Bronco9798]

yes, for your first 20 games throwing 58% is bad... judging somebody over there first 20 starts has to be stupid.. and I said "what they think will be there franchise qb" to say the guy doesnt have potential is ignorant. the guys definately shown upside in his 20 starts.. do you watch football?

Never seen a game in my life. Sorry.

I didn't realize your opinion was the only one that counted. Campbell is a hack. If you think Campbell is a franchise QB, you aren't very football smart. And, you're a smartass. Just my opinion.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Cambell team was in the playoffs....... Lol @ hes a hack because he dont have a higher percentage than 60% bwahahahahahha

But Campbell's team wasn't even in contention until he was on the bench. GREAT POINT! You actually assisted our side.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

A-I KNOW he's capable of rational thought.

B-At this point, yer either clueless or screwing with me...sumthin tells me it's the latter.

Nah you know hes a part of your freak community and will side with you on anything.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

ok, the skins had the 22nd pick that year (IF THEY DIDNT TRADE IT AWAY)

Cutler went 11th

Ngata went 12th

now tell me how were the Skins suppose to land those 2 players? if Cutler lasted to washington's pick, why did denver trade up SMART GUY?? Cutler wouldnt have made it past 15 I guarentee you that.

That's why in the earlier post, i said they'd need to get to 14.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

But Campbell's team wasn't even in contention until he was on the bench. GREAT POINT! You actually assisted our side.

Maybe we should start Ramsey then huh?

[Bronco9798]

ok, the skins had the 22nd pick that year (IF THEY DIDNT TRADE IT AWAY)

Cutler went 11th

Ngata went 12th

now tell me how were the Skins suppose to land those 2 players? if Cutler lasted to washington's pick, why did denver trade up SMART GUY?? Cutler wouldnt have made it past 15 I guarentee you that.

Why did you resort to all this for? You take a shot at everybody every time you post something.

[EMB6903]

Never seen a game in my life. Sorry.

I didn't realize your opinion was the only one that counted. Campbell is a hack. If you think Campbell is a franchise QB, you aren't very football smart. And, you're a smartass. Just my opinion.

I never said my opinion mattered at all, none of ours does, but to say Campbell is a hack or a bust is foolish, 20 starts and has more td's then ints.. not every qb comes into the game and puts up good numbers rookie.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

ok, the skins had the 22nd pick that year (IF THEY DIDNT TRADE IT AWAY)

Cutler went 11th

Ngata went 12th

now tell me how were the Skins suppose to land those 2 players? if Cutler lasted to washington's pick, why did denver trade up SMART GUY?? Cutler wouldnt have made it past 15 I guarentee you that.

BINGOOOOOOOO

[EMB6903]

Why did you resort to all this for? You take a shot at everybody every time you post something.

protect your boy.. I understand... no seriously I just cant stand ignorance... it annoys me.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Nah you know hes a part of your freak community and will side with you on anything.

I have no idea what the F you are even talking about. Aside from the gang banging crap we argued about, you and I never had issues over there. You at least seem capable of rational thought. I may disagree, but at least I can see where you come from.. This dude I think is an 8 year old who has his big sister typing for him.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I never said my opinion mattered at all, none of ours does, but to say Campbell is a hack or a bust is foolish, 20 starts and has more td's then ints.. not every qb comes into the game and puts up good numbers rookie.

They think cambell is a bust or average or a hack but defend Alex Smith???Lmaooooooooooooooooo

[SmilinAssasSin27]

BINGOOOOOOOO

How is that BINGO, when I never even came close to implying that they would get both Cutty AND Ngata?

[EMB6903]

hey Smilin... whats up bro? tell me how Ngata Cutler Bulger and cleveland had to do with redskins trade to get Jason Campbell?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

They think cambell is a bust or average or a hack but defend Alex Smith???Lmaooooooooooooooooo

I never said Smith was the godsend you make Campbell out to be. I simply said I wasn't ready to call him a bust. pay attention to the actual words.

[Bronco9798]

I never said my opinion mattered at all, none of ours does, but to say Campbell is a hack or a bust is foolish, 20 starts and has more td's then ints.. not every qb comes into the game and puts up good numbers rookie.

It's not always about numbers. It's about decisions, game management, and other tangibles. I've seen Campbell play. Not very good in my opinion. Collins actually led the Skins to the playoffs, not Campbell. You can't base a guy purely off of numbers. Get a clue!

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I have no idea what the F you are even talking about. Aside from the gang banging crap we argued about, you and I never had issues over there. You at least seem capable of rational thought. I may disagree, but at least I can see where you come from.. This dude I think is an 8 year old who has his big sister typing for him.

My point is Bronco will side with you simply because he dislikes me. Facts are facts. Bronco will never give me my props on anything. Im sure he will do for you even if he disagree with what your saying. And i never said me and you had issues. But you have smart remarks when your talking with broncogator. DOnt think i dont notice it smilin. I just dont say anything, Cuz it dont matter. WHen its all said and done i rock with it comes to football.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

hey Smilin... whats up bro? tell me how Ngata Cutler Bulger and cleveland had to do with redskins trade to get Jason Campbell?

Done it twice already, if yer IQ of 45.6 can't handle it, sorry bro, I only repeat myself once.


1-800-ABC-DEFG Hooked on Phonics worked for me.

[Bronco9798]

protect your boy.. I understand... no seriously I just cant stand ignorance... it annoys me.

You must not like yourself then.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I never said Smith was the godsend you make Campbell out to be. I simply said I wasn't ready to call him a bust. pay attention to the actual words.

Is Alex Smith better than Cambell?

[EMB6903]

I never made Campbell sound like an elite quarterback.. Im just saying.. if the redskins front office thinks to this day they have a hell of a quarterback in Jason Campbell, then how did they lose?? they have both seen more then us.. and are very impressed with what they have seen from him. but back to what I asked before and you avoided to answer, WHAT DOES HALOTI NGATA JAY CUTLER CLEVELAND BROWNS AND MARC BULGER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE REDSKINS TRADE FOR JASON CAMPBELL?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

My point is Bronco will side with you simply because he dislikes me. Facts are facts. Bronco will never give me my props on anything. Im sure he will do for you even if he disagree with what your saying. And i never said me and you had issues. But you have smart remarks when your talking with broncogator. DOnt think i dont notice it smilin. I just dont say anything, Cuz it dont matter. WHen its all said and done i rock with it comes to football.

If you really notice, I call BS on ANYONE who I think is ful of BS at the time. Don't go feelin all some sort of way about it. We're not all out to get you...but you do like the victim stance from time to time.

[EMB6903]

You must not like yourself then.

give me the things that I have said that are ignorant.. ill wait.

[Bronco9798]

give me the things that I have said that are ignorant.. ill wait.

I just read your posts and my mind is made up. It's just you in general. That's it, nothing more.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

If you really notice, I call BS on ANYONE who I think is ful of BS at the time. Don't go feelin all some sort of way about it. We're not all out to get you...but you do like the victim stance from time to time.

You think i care about being a victim?? And you talking with broncogator about my money or whatever i own has what to do with you? How do you know it BS? Or are you just taking shots to take shots? Yeah its just to take shots smilin. Were not that crazy are we? But answer my question, Is Alex Smith better than Cambell>

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Is Alex Smith better than Cambell?

That's actually a good question. At this point, I'd have to say Campbell is ahead of Smith. However, he does have more tools at his disposal and a defense to get him the ball more. I think Smith would do just as well as Campbell has w/ the skins and conversely, I think Campbell would be a wreck in SF. But given Smith's injury and apparent setback because of it, I'd say Campbell is in the lead as of today.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I just read your posts and my mind is made up. It's just you in general. That's it, nothing more.

Is this what you call rational thought Smilin??

[EMB6903]

I just read your posts and my mind is made up. It's just you in general. That's it, nothing more.

ya, thats what I thought.. you have nothing, you dont agree with me so you hate.. thats all hell you might even agree with me, you just cant agree with anybody else in here except your buddies.. right?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

You think i care about being a victim?? And you talking with broncogator about my money or whatever i own has what to do with you? How do you know it BS? Or are you just taking shots to take shots? Yeah its just to take shots smilin. Were not that crazy are we? But answer my question, Is Alex Smith better than Cambell>

Please pull 1 post that I have made referring to your $$ or possessions. The only thing I may have written is that I found sumthin they said was funny. No more. No less. Do you see pictures of $$ on my sig? hmmmmmmmm?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

That's actually a good question. At this point, I'd have to say Campbell is ahead of Smith. However, he does have more tools at his disposal and a defense to get him the ball more. I think Smith would do just as well as Campbell has w/ the skins and conversely, I think Campbell would be a wreck in SF. But given Smith's injury and apparent setback because of it, I'd say Campbell is in the lead as of today.

If your the number 1 overall pick you better make plays and make players look better. Hows Vernon Davis numbers after 2 years in the NFL with Smith being the QB?? There no reason why Davis should not be a pro bowl QB in the NFC. Smith cant get him the ball healthy or not.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Is this what you call rational thought Smilin??

To be honest, I've read enough too. As I said, you seem able to carry a discussion. Your lackey is simply looking to argue.

[Bronco9798]

ya, thats what I thought.. you have nothing, you dont agree with me so you hate.. thats all hell you might even agree with me, you just cant agree with anybody else in here except your buddies.. right?

I started from the beginning and you're attitude early on in this thread made it easy to see you were just looking to get something going. Your attacks early on clearly set this thread up for where it went.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

And im not ready to say Skins have way more weapons, They have Moss and Cooley and Portis. Smith has Davis, Gore and Jackson. Smith is just a BUST.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

To be honest, I've read enough too. As I said, you seem able to carry a discussion. Your lackey is simply looking to argue.

Who is my lackey??

[EMB6903]

I personally think its still too early to Judge Alex Smith as well, well you can judge him but calling him a bust? I dont know.... hes only 23 years old... thats VERY young

[Bronco9798]

Davis practically missed his entire 1st year.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

If your the number 1 overall pick you better make plays and make players look better. Hows Vernon Davis numbers after 2 years in the NFL with Smith being the QB?? There no reason why Davis should not be a pro bowl QB in the NFC. Smith cant get him the ball healthy or not.

I agree he should make plays, but history has shown that many of the great QBs have needed more time. How bad was Elway in year 1? Vernon was also hurt his rookie year w/ a busted leg. Add to that Alex played only 7 games this year and I wouldn't attribute Vern's limitations to just Alex Smith.

[Bronco9798]

I personally think its still too early to Judge Alex Smith as well, well you can judge him but calling him a bust? I dont know.... hes only 23 years old... thats VERY young

I base it on seeing him play, not by numbers alone. I'm not a stats person. I don't like numbers. I hardly ever use them in a debate.

Edit,,,thought you were talking about Campbell. My bad.

[EMB6903]

lol... "your lacky' have I even posted to Bmarsh?? Im just calling you guys out for acting foolish.. thats all.. like I said.. I cant stand ignorance (Missouri, and Smilin) I have no reason to hate on Bronco hes done nothing wrong but protect his ladie friends, cant blame him

[SmilinAssasSin27]

And im not ready to say Skins have way more weapons, They have Moss and Cooley and Portis. Smith has Davis, Gore and Jackson. Smith is just a BUST.

The skins O line is worlds ahead of SF's. Gore had a beat of a year, but disappeared in 2007...Portis has done it over time. Add to that the fact that the skins D gives JC more touches and I maintain my opinion.

[Bronco9798]

lol... "your lacky' have I even posted to Bmarsh?? Im just calling you guys out for acting foolish.. thats all.. like I said.. I cant stand ignorance (Missouri, and Smilin) I have no reason to hate on Bronco hes done nothing wrong but protect his ladie friends, cant blame him

See, you just keep picking there with your smart ass remarks. You just can't complete a post without throwing your shots in and antagonizing.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

The skins O line is worlds ahead of SF's. Gore had a beat of a year, but disappeared in 2007...Portis has done it over time. Add to that the fact that the skins D gives JC more touches and I maintain my opinion.

Dude Skins offense is not that good.......Niether is the Defense.... Bottom line you cant say Skins lost in the trade when they got a guy whose there starter and shows flashes of being good. Oh and only has 20 starts in the NFL.

[EMB6903]

See, you just keep picking there with your smart ass remarks. You just can't complete a post without throwing your shots in and antagonizing.

dont get too sensitive, if you dont like me ignore me... try 1 post actually contributing to the topic.

[Bronco9798]

dont get too sensitive, if you dont like me ignore me... try 1 post actually contributing to the topic.

I'm done man. You simply aren't worth my time anymore. You, to me, are a compete moron and smart ass. I had my say. I'll leave this thread now and leave you looking stupid like you are. Have a good day.

[EMB6903]

Have a good night bro! whenever you want to chat about football in the near future.. feel free.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Dude Skins offense is not that good.......Niether is the Defense.... Bottom line you cant say Skins lost in the trade when they got a guy whose there starter and shows flashes of being good. Oh and only has 20 starts in the NFL.

Never said he couldn't be "good". I still wouldn't trade a future pick for "good". He's never gonna be more than "good."

Different sport, but follow along. Remember when the Spurs had Robinson at center and they always made the playoffs. Well, 1 year he went down and they ended up winning the draft lottery=Tim Duncan. How shitty would they have felt if they had traded that pick in a prior agreement? That's my personal view on why I don't mortagae the future. everyone thought we were playoff bound this year...and we are picking 12th. We were 2 late FGs away from picking 7th. How pissed would we all be if we would have traded this year's #1 for a chance at Jamaal Anderson assuming we'd be only giving up a 25 pick or higher?

[EMB6903]

How do you know Jason Campbell isnt gonna be anymore then good, are you a physcic?

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

I am not gonna compare the NBA drafting to the NFl. They trade top 5 picks right after they draft them all the time. Its not really a comparison. We dont know if Cambell will ever be great or not. But i do know hes pretty good to have 20 starts. Smith is not even pretty good. Hes pretty bad right now.

[EMB6903]

Anderson was a top 10 pick, Campbell was the 25th pick... Skins traded him for a 09 1st round pick (22nd overall)... I think the Skins are happy about that trade and there quarterback situation.

[broncosinindy]

But last year at this time it looked as though they did. They just boneheaded up their future cuz they got a little overconfident and assumed they'd be a playoff team/legit contender. Now they are set back a year or 2 and would have had a chance to grab a Sedrick Ellis or a stud CB...or Phillips since their Safeties are garbage...or a qb.

We sucked this year...plain and simple. It's WAY too risky to trade away a potential top 10 pick.

yeah thats what the cowboys thought as wel.....