Lions to put WR Williams & DT Rogers on block?

[mopatt24]

From the sportingnews.com:

The Lions will begin getting word out that WR Roy Williams is on the trading block. It wouldn't hurt the Lions to stockpile draft picks, but the front office would prefer to acquire a veteran defensive player. Don't be surprised if the Lions put together a combination deal involving both Williams and DT Shaun Rogers to entice someone to give up a quality player. ...

http://tsn.sportingnews.com/

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Send Walker, Henry, Gold, Foxworth, and a 2nd for that package deal!!!

Lets hear your thoughts.....

[slim]

From the sportingnews.com:

The Lions will begin getting word out that WR Roy Williams is on the trading block. It wouldn't hurt the Lions to stockpile draft picks, but the front office would prefer to acquire a veteran defensive player. Don't be surprised if the Lions put together a combination deal involving both Williams and DT Shaun Rogers to entice someone to give up a quality player. ...

http://tsn.sportingnews.com/

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Send Walker, Henry, Gold, Foxworth, and a 2nd for that package deal!!!

Lets hear your thoughts.....


If we could get Williams and Rogers for Walker, Henry, Gold, Foxy and a 2nd...yeah, I would take that.

[fcspikeit]

From the sportingnews.com:

The Lions will begin getting word out that WR Roy Williams is on the trading block. It wouldn't hurt the Lions to stockpile draft picks, but the front office would prefer to acquire a veteran defensive player. Don't be surprised if the Lions put together a combination deal involving both Williams and DT Shaun Rogers to entice someone to give up a quality player. ...

http://tsn.sportingnews.com/

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Send Walker, Henry, Gold, Foxworth, and a 2nd for that package deal!!!

Lets hear your thoughts.....

I would take that trade...

Why would they trade Williams for Walker? And why would they want Henry?

I think we would have a better chance of trading them Gold Foxworth and our 2nd.

I wonder what position they want on defence? What if they wanted Champ and our 4th?

[gobroncsnv]

I wonder what position they want on defence? What if they wanted Champ and our 4th?

No WAY! CB is solved... I don't want to fill a hole by making another one. And a huge one at that.

[mopatt24]

Champ's not going anywhere

[Bronco9798]

Champ's not going anywhere

He's going to Hawaii. That's about it. :D

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I love Champ as much as the next guy and don't want to lose him, BUT if there was ever a right time...

I'd prefer...Gold, Foxxy, a 2nd, and Walker.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

My dad is a Lions fan and I just told him this. The response..."Sean Rodgers hasn't done a thing since the Denver game and Roy has been hurt...damaged goods. They just folded. Not worth my time."

[Watchthemiddle]

Marshall and Williams at WR.... :eek:

Do whatever needs to be done Shanny and Co. but pull the trigger and get both these two.

[Stargazer]

Did any of you read the first post? It says they want to stockpile picks. Not receive turd back.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Did any of you read the first post? It says they want to stockpile picks. Not receive turd back.

It actually says they prefer to land a top defensive player...and it WOULDN'T HURT the Lions to stockpile picks.

[Stargazer]

It actually says they prefer to land a top defensive player...and it WOULDN'T HURT the Lions to stockpile picks.

Which Denver has nothing to offer(Champ is not going anywhere). So a trade involving Detroit would require multiple picks.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Foxxy is a legit option...as is the #2. I agree we'd need to send more, but we have some p[ieces.

[dogfish]

Don't be surprised if the Lions put together a combination deal involving both Williams and DT Shaun Rogers to entice someone to give up a quality player. ...



mike bell is all theirs. . . .

[atwater27]

Did any of you read the first post? It says they want to stockpile picks. Not receive turd back.

:congrats::amen:
Exactly. Case closed.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I think we have enough to land 1 or the other...question is, which one?

[TXBRONC]

I would take that trade...

Why would they trade Williams for Walker? And why would they want Henry?

I think we would have a better chance of trading them Gold Foxworth and our 2nd.

I wonder what position they want on defence? What if they wanted Champ and our 4th?


No that would be a no go in my opinion. Finding a shut down corner is as hard good defensive tackles.

[MHCBill]

Some people will never learn.

Roy Williams = injured, expensive, will be underproductive

Sean Rogers = see above and throw in lazy and unmotivated

[MHCBill]

Guys and gals,

It's time to relax and show patience. We had perhaps the all-time best Broncos draft in '06 and potentially a solid draft in '07.

Now is not the time to make up fantasy trades that will never happen and sign "pass their prime" free agents.

Smart free agent signings with little risk of overpayment for underproduction and continue to draft well.

Hate to break it to ya, but '08 isn't our season... 2009 will be.

[Lonestar]

Guys and gals,

It's time to relax and show patience. We had perhaps the all-time best Broncos draft in '06 and potentially a solid draft in '07.

Now is not the time to make up fantasy trades that will never happen and sign "pass their prime" free agents.

Smart free agent signings with little risk of overpayment for underproduction and continue to draft well.

Hate to break it to ya, but '08 isn't our season... 2009 will be.

Unless all the moons and stars line up and we have NO injuries I think your correct..

The real question is can mikey make a third in a row draft year or do we slip back to DAFTING..

[MHCBill]

Agreed, the Broncos next 3-5 years are dependent on primarily three things.

1. Continuing solid drafts in '08 & '09

2. One or two key free agent signing that actually payoff (don't need to be super-stars)

3. Staying relatively healthy

[DenBronx]

Agreed, the Broncos next 3-5 years are dependent on primarily three things.

1. Continuing solid drafts in '08 & '09

2. One or two key free agent signing that actually payoff (don't need to be super-stars)

3. Staying relatively healthy



...and getting rid of the crap. i'd rather have a motivated rookie with a chip on his shoulder (like bmarsh...well 2nd year) than some cry baby like walker saying the broncos are not for him. fine then, bring your peg leg to the raiders and face champ twice a year.

[DenBronx]

getting williams AND rogers would be sweet but if i had to pick just one id say rogers. he is a force in the middle and thats what we need....id love us to make a deal for him. if ekuban gets resigned, sign another rookie dt (okam???) and moss comes back i think our d-line would be set.

[BOSSHOGG30]

Give the Lions
1st rounder 2008
5th rounder 2008
2nd rounder 2009

for

Lion's 1st rounder 2008
DT Shaun Rogers
WR Roy Williams

[MHCBill]

Shaun Rogers is a fraud.

IMO

[BOSSHOGG30]

Shaun Rogers is a fraud.

IMO

He is one of the biggest waste of space in the NFL, and that is exactly what we need, someone to take up space.

[MHCBill]

Anyone know his contract status?

[BOSSHOGG30]

Anyone know his contract status?

Roy Williams
8/1/2004: Signed a six-year, $27 million contract. The deal includes $11.16 million in bonus money. 2007: $3.385 million, 2008: $574,500, 2009: $912,000 (void year), 2010: Free Agent

Shaun Rogers
1/1/2005: Signed a six-year, $43 million contract. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus. 2007: $1,500,000, 2008: $4,250,000, 2009: $5,250,000, 2010: $7,000,000, 2011: Free Agent

[MHCBill]

Shaun Rogers
1/1/2005: Signed a six-year, $43 million contract. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus. 2007: $1,500,000, 2008: $4,250,000, 2009: $5,250,000, 2010: $7,000,000, 2011: Free Agent
No freakin' THANK YOU!!!

Williams, eh maybe.

[Lonestar]

Agreed, the Broncos next 3-5 years are dependent on primarily three things.

1. Continuing solid drafts in '08 & '09

2. One or two key free agent signing that actually payoff (don't need to be super-stars)

3. Staying relatively healthy


Outstanding look at the issues..

I would however say that getting a STUD DT and one not so great, is an absolute either via the draft which most likely means the number one pick this year and perhaps a trade/fa for the not so stud one.

While I think Thomas is going to become and power to be here he will need a partner so he will not wind up Doubled or tripled every play.. Having two great ones and a couple of goods ones allows for rotations to keep them fresh and allows the ones on the field to do what they do best depending on passing or running downs..

Hanesworth would be great, he shuts down the run as a specialty whereas Thomas is more the collapse the pocket kinda guy. Together they cover both bases and neither suck at the other role. But THEN we all know the really goods ones are either way over priced or their teams never allow them to leave..

[Lonestar]

Roy Williams
8/1/2004: Signed a six-year, $27 million contract. The deal includes $11.16 million in bonus money. 2007: $3.385 million, 2008: $574,500, 2009: $912,000 (void year), 2010: Free Agent

Shaun Rogers
1/1/2005: Signed a six-year, $43 million contract. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus. 2007: $1,500,000, 2008: $4,250,000, 2009: $5,250,000, 2010: $7,000,000, 2011: Free Agent

Actual cap values for 2007

Year Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
Williams, Roy E. $ 3,385,000 $ 4,500,000 $ 1,860,000 $ 5,145,000 $6,503,334

Rogers, Shaun $ 1,500,000 $ 0 $ 4,920 $ 1,504,920 $3,682,286

Year team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
2007 Lions $ 3,385,000 $ 4,500,000 $ 1,860,000 $ 5,145,000 $ 6,503,334
2006 Lions $ 425,000 $ 0 $ 1,090,000 $ 1,515,000 $ 4,312,500
2005 Lions $ 305,000 $ 6,662,500 $ 100,000 $ 7,067,500 $ 3,945,000
2004 Lions $ 360,000 $ 4,500,000 $ 950,000 $ 5,810,000 $ 2,060,000

Rogers, Shaun

Year Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
2007 Lions $ 1,500,000 $ 0 $ 4,920 $ 1,504,920 $ 3,682,286
2006 Lions $ 850,000 $ 0 $ 4,840 $ 654,840 $ 2,832,206
2005 Lions $ 650,000 $ 3,500,000 $ 5,280 $ 4,155,280 $ 2,832,646
2004 Lions $ 455,000 $ 9,000,000 $ 25,000 $ 9,480,000 $ 2,213,750
2003 Lions $ 389,000 $ 0 $ 25,000 $ 414,000 $ 647,750
2002 Lions $ 300,000 $ 0 $ 29,320 $ 329,320 $ 563,070
2001 Lions $ 209,000 $ 935,000 $ 0 $ 1,377,750 $ 442,750

Not very cap friendly guys IMHO Unless mikey can get them to re-do the contracts and take less to play on a decent team.

[DenBronx]

Not very cap friendly guys IMHO Unless mikey can get them to re-do the contracts and take less to play on a decent team.

not very cap friendly at all. williams was looking like a steal until you included his bonuses. i'll pass on him.

rogers would be nice if he would restructure.

[BOSSHOGG30]

We need a speed guy. A guy who can tear it up down the field. Why don't we go after Donte' Stallworth? With Cutler's arm strenght he would give us a very good deep threat.

[MOtorboat]

Maybe they'll give us Calvin Johnson for Javon Walker - straight up.

[Italianmobstr7]

Maybe they'll give us Calvin Johnson for Javon Walker - straight up.

Lol. Yeah. Well they do have Matt Millen.....

[WARHORSE]

Williams has been hurt every year. Rogers a glutton.


No question that the talent is there................but the heart?

That makes it quite risky.

[DenBronx]

We need a speed guy. A guy who can tear it up down the field. Why don't we go after Donte' Stallworth? With Cutler's arm strenght he would give us a very good deep threat.

i'd rather see us go after a younger wr.

stallworth has reached his peak.

[DenBronx]

Williams has been hurt every year. Rogers a glutton.

No question that the talent is there................but the heart?

That makes it quite risky.


well that's what we need to take up space and help collapse the running lanes.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

i'd rather see us go after a younger wr.

stallworth has reached his peak.

But he's hardly on the way down. His plateau is better than most of the other options.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Were not getting Roy Williams and Rogers for no Bum Gold, Walker and Henry. And a lousy 2nd round pick for one of the best wide outs in the game and a top 5 DT in the game.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Rodgers is not a top 5 DT if he annually wears down at the end of the year and doesn't play hard after week 10. He has the talent, but there is a reason he's on the trade block.