Denver To Move Next Years Number One?

[WARHORSE]

You know, I think that its highly likely that Denver trades the first pick in the 2009 draft during the 2008 Draft or before. We simply wont be picking in the middle of the pack next year. Never happen. This team will be picking around mid twenties at least. Looking at our opponents next year, Id say around at least 25, due to regular season record.

Hopefully we get a team that thinks we will finish higher in the draft than we did this year. It gives more leverage for the trading scales.

Go back and look at the teams that move their first rounders............

Im not saying it will happen, I just think its more likely this year than others.

[Requiem / The Dagda]

Denver isn't going to move a future first rounder.

[Broncospsycho77]

Have we ever done that?

[WARHORSE]

Have we ever done that?


Yes we have.

1994 we traded away our first rounder in 1995 for Pritchard in a package.

[WARHORSE]

Denver isn't going to move a future first rounder.


How do you know?

As you can see, teams that finish high in the draft, many times trade back into the first round. Its understandable when other teams think they will suck the following year. Theres the potential for a pot of gold.

The Patriots struck it rich in the Forty Niners, and the Dallas Cowboys didnt with the Clevenland Browns.


This door will be peeked through during the off season Im sure...............;)


Moreso this year than any other recent year, simply because of our position.

[claymore]

How do you know?

As you can see, teams that finish high in the draft, many times trade back into the first round. Its understandable when other teams think they will suck the following year. Theres the potential for a pot of gold.

The Patriots struck it rich in the Forty Niners, and the Dallas Cowboys didnt with the Clevenland Browns.


This door will be peeked through during the off season Im sure...............;)


Moreso this year than any other recent year, simply because of our position.

It all depends on how the talent/need ratio shakes out. If someone pulls a Miami and takes someone way too high, and we dont have the need , but lets say someone else does, bounce on it. We better get a second and third this year for it though.

[SR]

Denver isn't going to move a future first rounder.

I agree with that. It would be pretty stupid for Denver to trade a future first rounder. We need those draft picks so we can start home growing talent, so to speak, instead of trying to go out and find it and having players bust on us (i.e. Walker, THC)

[TXBRONC]

Yes we have.

1994 we traded away our first rounder in 1995 for Pritchard in a package.


Ok but that's before Shanahan tenure began.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

Its not like the 09 pick will be any good anyway. Not with Shanny making the decisions anyway. Its 80-20 with Shanny drafting first day picks.

[WARHORSE]

I agree with that. It would be pretty stupid for Denver to trade a future first rounder. We need those draft picks so we can start home growing talent, so to speak, instead of trying to go out and find it and having players bust on us (i.e. Walker, THC)


Why would it be stupid? Take a look at last years first rounders for every team, or each year for that matter, and see how many of those players are money in the bank.

Of all the positions in the draft, the most homeruns are hit off of the safety, LBer and RB positions.

This years draft is to be loaded with LBer talent, Dline talent and RB talent. Using a first next year to get back into the first round could very likely pay off in allowing us to take one of those backers or RBs this year rather than next, hence allowing us a first rounder next year, that has a years experience under his belt.

If we came out of the draft with two out of these four guys: Laurinaitis, Connor, Jonathan Stewart, Phillips, and spent the rest of the picks on DTs and Oline, Id be stoked.(but not both the LBs) The reason I dont have a DT in there is I dont think Dorsey or Ellis will be there for us at 12.

Im not saying it would happen, but I do think when looking at the needs of the team while taking into account the circumstances surrounding our team, it would seem the stars are aligned for that more this year than years prior in Shannys reign.


Just a thought from an offseason Broncofan.:coffee:

[MOtorboat]

Its not like the 09 pick will be any good anyway. Not with Shanny making the decisions anyway. Its 80-20 with Shanny drafting first day picks.

LMAO!

Just trade that pick away...it means nothing!

[sneakers]

Yes we have.

1994 we traded away our first rounder in 1995 for Pritchard in a package.

Prichard was OK for a year or so........

[fcspikeit]

Why would it be stupid? Take a look at last years first rounders for every team, or each year for that matter, and see how many of those players are money in the bank.

Of all the positions in the draft, the most homeruns are hit off of the safety, LBer and RB positions.

This years draft is to be loaded with LBer talent, Dline talent and RB talent. Using a first next year to get back into the first round could very likely pay off in allowing us to take one of those backers or RBs this year rather than next, hence allowing us a first rounder next year, that has a years experience under his belt.

If we came out of the draft with two out of these four guys: Laurinaitis, Connor, Jonathan Stewart, Phillips, and spent the rest of the picks on DTs and Oline, Id be stoked.(but not both the LBs) The reason I dont have a DT in there is I dont think Dorsey or Ellis will be there for us at 12.

Im not saying it would happen, but I do think when looking at the needs of the team while taking into account the circumstances surrounding our team, it would seem the stars are aligned for that more this year than years prior in Shannys reign.


Just a thought from an offseason Broncofan.:coffee:

Anything could happen. I think it would depend on the player and situation. If we could fill a need with a proven player that has 5 or 6 good years left I could agree with us trading next years #1


I think we would be more likely to trade next years #1 for a high pick this year. That might be a good idea. From the sound of it, there is a lot of depth at a few of our positions of need in this years draft.

I have also heard,,, with all the Juniors declaring to come out this year, next year might be a weak draft. If that is the case, it really would make since to trade next years #1 for another high pick this year.

For instance,, I hear there are a lot of great LB's in this years draft, If we could use one of our high picks on a safety and trade next years 1st we could also grab one of the LB's.

How does the draft value card work for future picks? What could we get this year for our 1st next year?

[WARHORSE]

Anything could happen. I think it would depend on the player and situation. If we could fill a need with a proven player that has 5 or 6 good years left I could agree with us trading next years #1


I think we would be more likely to trade next years #1 for a high pick this year. That might be a good idea. From the sound of it, there is a lot of depth at a few of our positions of need in this years draft.

I have also heard,,, with all the Juniors declaring to come out this year, next year might be a weak draft. If that is the case, it really would make since to trade next years #1 for another high pick this year.

For instance,, I hear there are a lot of great LB's in this years draft, If we could use one of our high picks on a safety and trade next years 1st we could also grab one of the LB's.

How does the draft value card work for future picks? What could we get this year for our 1st next year?

This is what I was speaking of, not trading it for a franchised/transitioned free agent or player.

Trading it to get back in the draft in round one.

[WARHORSE]

How does the draft value card work for future picks? What could we get this year for our 1st next year?

Its a little bit more vague, but it all depends on what pick youre at this year, and how well or not well youre going to do next year. Thats why Im saying, we are picking at 12 this year, and if we are trying to get someone to give us value this year for next years pick, they obviously wouldnt give us the same value if say, we were drafting at the 28th pick this year. See what I mean?

I think undoubtedly Shanny thinks we will be picking in next years draft around at the very least pick 25.


If theres a team out there that thinks we will be pickin in the same area next year as we are this year (pick 12), or worse, then viola!, we have value that can bring us another pick in the low end first round.

[SR]

Its not like the 09 pick will be any good anyway. Not with Shanny making the decisions anyway. Its 80-20 with Shanny drafting first day picks.

What an ignorant thing to say.

[Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal]

What an ignorant thing to say.

What it is was a true thing,

[SR]

Yep. Because Shanahan is the only coach in the whole world of sports who has first round players bust on him. Have we in the past couple of years? Nope. Our '06 and '07 draft classes were outstanding.

[fcspikeit]

This is what I was speaking of, not trading it for a franchised/transitioned free agent or player.

Trading it to get back in the draft in round one.

Well we couldn't trade it for a free agent :lol:...

But I thought you might be talking about trading it to a team for a player like Jason Taylor or chad Johnson.

But I agree with you and think you make a good point about the possibility of us gaining value by trading next years # 1 for a # 1 this year.

Even more then that,,,

Even if we ended up with the same value for the pick next year, if we could only get something in rounds 13 - 25, it might be worth the trade just because this looks like a strong draft for us. Picking a player at 20 looks to be better this year then picking a player at 20 next year.

It would be great if we could get Kenny Phillips at 12, Sedrick Ellis or Kentwan Balmer 13 - 25 and Dan Connor or Philip Wheeler in the second.. we would be looking pretty good for the future :elefant:

[MOtorboat]

Well we couldn't trade it for a free agent :lol:...

But I thought you might be talking about trading it to a team for a player like Jason Taylor or chad Johnson.

But I agree with you and think you make a good point about the possibility of us gaining value by trading next years # 1 for a # 1 this year.

Even more then that,,,

Even if we ended up with the same value for the pick next year, if we could only get something in rounds 13 - 25, it might be worth the trade just because this looks like a strong draft for us. Picking a player at 20 looks to be better this year then picking a player at 20 next year.

It would be great if we could get Kenny Phillips at 12, Sedrick Ellis or Kentwan Balmer 13 - 25 and Dan Connor or Philip Wheeler in the second.. we would be looking pretty good for the future :elefant:

If Randy Moss goes for a fourth round pick...I don't want either of those guys to give up next year's, or this year's No. 1.

[DallasChief]

You know, I think that its highly likely that Denver trades the first pick in the 2009 draft during the 2008 Draft or before. We simply wont be picking in the middle of the pack next year. Never happen. This team will be picking around mid twenties at least. Looking at our opponents next year, Id say around at least 25, due to regular season record.

Hopefully we get a team that thinks we will finish higher in the draft than we did this year. It gives more leverage for the trading scales.

Go back and look at the teams that move their first rounders............

Im not saying it will happen, I just think its more likely this year than others.

Did you cut and paste this post from last year? It looks familiar.

[fcspikeit]

If Randy Moss goes for a fourth round pick...I don't want either of those guys to give up next year's, or this year's No. 1.

I agree!

Taylor only has a couple years left and CJ is not worth a 1st round pick mainly because we don't have that big a need at WR.

I only used those two as an example because I have seen a couple say we should trade this years 1st for both those guys.

Also I want to point out that NE got a steel when they got Moss for a 4th.

It was funny, I was talking to my brother in the off season last year. He was saying NE's time had ran out. He said, "they will be lucky to make the playoffs." I told him it was clear he hadn't been following the FA moves and he had no idea what he was talking about. I told him They will be scary! I predicted to him they would go 19 - 0 this year.

He thought I was crazy and said, "Moss will bring the team down". :rolleyes:

[Requiem / The Dagda]

You know, the more I think about this - it's not that bad of an idea; I just don't know if the Broncos would go for it.

There's so much talent here in this draft, we should go for the gold.

Linebacker, wide receiver, defensive end, offensive tackle, running back - they're all stacked and we could use some help at many of those positions. Factor in the value elsewhere at specific places in the draft, and we could make a good go of this with Warhorse's suggested idea.

Trading next year's first could probably get us a high second and third; but you'd be hard pressed to find a team who'd actually want to trade out of this draft, given it's depth and talent. If we did that, and traded down from #12, wow - can you say picks galore? That'd probably be in our best interest. I like our Day 2 right now, but we need a third rounder because we can't have the gap between rounds two and four; that's 30+ selections of good value we're passing up.

Now I doubt we would do both of those trades; but if Denver could get a third rounder, and maybe a few more selections, we'd have a great draft set up.

My dream is to get another second and third rounder, and hopefully the fifth rounder from Oakland from Warren goes up to a fourth rounder so we could have something like this:

1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 7, 7.

Talk about a golden opportunity.

Right now it's: 1, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 7, 7. . . it can get better!

[WARHORSE]

Well we couldn't trade it for a free agent :lol:...

But I thought you might be talking about trading it to a team for a player like Jason Taylor or chad Johnson.

But I agree with you and think you make a good point about the possibility of us gaining value by trading next years # 1 for a # 1 this year.

Even more then that,,,

Even if we ended up with the same value for the pick next year, if we could only get something in rounds 13 - 25, it might be worth the trade just because this looks like a strong draft for us. Picking a player at 20 looks to be better this year then picking a player at 20 next year.

It would be great if we could get Kenny Phillips at 12, Sedrick Ellis or Kentwan Balmer 13 - 25 and Dan Connor or Philip Wheeler in the second.. we would be looking pretty good for the future :elefant:

Zactly. I know its only speculation, but we need help now, and if we get an extra first rounder this year, at a position that doesnt bust much, like RB, LB, or Safety, then the advantage is by next year, that pick will have a years experience under his belt. Even better.

Although we need DT, if we came out of the first with Phillips, and a RB or LB, we could spend the rest of the picks on DTs and an Otackle. Like the Darrent, Fox draft, we could use four picks or so on DTs hopin to hit gold on one.

Or vice versa with one of the other positions.

[Traveler]

Sundquist mentioned the plan for the 2007 draft to select Moss, if he wasn't selected by our original pick, then they had a trade worked out with someone to move back into the 1st round to select Harrell.

So, what is mentioned about trade our 09 1st isn't that far-fetched.

[WARHORSE]

Yes, we were going to draft two number ones. Check out the thread I just posted called 'anatomy of a denver broncos draft choice'.

Good read!