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BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 01:54 PM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jan/03/krieger-bates-may-take-fall-shanahan-blame/

Bates might be the fall guy for this season unless Bowlen isn't willing to pay 2 million to make Bates go way. We will soon know.

claymore
01-04-2008, 01:57 PM
Probably scrambling to see who we replace him with.........

slim
01-04-2008, 01:58 PM
Probably scrambling to see who we replace him with.........

IDK, if he goes I think Slowik will be the replacement. I hate to say it, but I think it's true.

claymore
01-04-2008, 02:00 PM
IDK, if he goes I think Slowik will be the replacement. I hate to say it, but I think it's true.Geebus......... What about the Dline coach? SOB.

G_Money
01-04-2008, 02:01 PM
I don't think you can be the fall-guy or the scapegoat when your defense is one of the worst in Broncos history. We had HISTORIC losses this year and utter ineptitude from beginning to end.

It's not like we're firing the DC who held our team together last season, like Oakland just did. Shanny may have more blame to take for this season than he's going to take, but firing Bates isn't throwing an undeserving man under the bus.

Jimbo is very deserving of the tiremarks that will hopefully be on his ass come Monday morning.

~G

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 02:02 PM
IDK, if he goes I think Slowik will be the replacement. I hate to say it, but I think it's true.

You *******! I hope your wrong.

mclark
01-04-2008, 02:03 PM
From the article:

"From the beginning, Bates' seven-in- the-box base scheme didn't work here. In fact, during the preseason, Cleveland Browns broadcaster Bernie Kosar wondered aloud why a team with cornerbacks like Champ Bailey and Dre Bly wouldn't take advantage of their man coverage ability by moving a safety into the box to help against the run.

The answer at the time was that the Broncos weren't showing everything, it being preseason and all. The criticism turned out to be right on the money. By the time they made a midcourse correction at the bye week, they were 2-3. From then on, they ran a hodgepodge of schemes that often left the players confused."

turftoad
01-04-2008, 02:03 PM
30th vs the run and 28th in pts against. Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see him go. I couldn't stand to see us giving up big chunks of yardage every other play. We were terrible.

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 02:04 PM
I didn't like how he would drop Champ and Bly to safety on 3rd and long and bring in Foxworth and Paymah to play cornerback. We sucked on 3rd and long all year long, why didn't he change that stupid defense up?

mclark
01-04-2008, 02:06 PM
I don't think you can be the fall-guy or the scapegoat when your defense is one of the worst in Broncos history. We had HISTORIC losses this year and utter ineptitude from beginning to end.

It's not like we're firing the DC who held our team together last season, like Oakland just did. Shanny may have more blame to take for this season than he's going to take, but firing Bates isn't throwing an undeserving man under the bus.

Jimbo is very deserving of the tiremarks that will hopefully be on his ass come Monday morning.

~G

I agree. You're NOT a scapegoat if you do a lousy job and get fired. As bad as our offense was, our defense was worse.

Our bus is already getting full (Lepsis, Javon...). Under the bus with Ole Jimbo.

mclark
01-04-2008, 02:07 PM
I didn't like how he would drop Champ and Bly to safety on 3rd and long and bring in Foxworth and Paymah to play cornerback. We sucked on 3rd and long all year long, why didn't he change that stupid defense up?

We were playing ball-control defense.

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 02:08 PM
We were playing ball-control defense.

I thought it was called "just kick me in the balls already and get it over with defense."

atwater27
01-04-2008, 02:11 PM
I just hope we have a good candidate to replace him with. If we have another numbnutz in our sights I would rather just have him get his second season to "gel".

Rex
01-04-2008, 02:12 PM
Being a total failure and getting canned does not make you a scapegoat.

MileHighWrath
01-04-2008, 02:20 PM
He didn't use what talent he had, he wouldn't change his scheme until he was forced to and didn't come up with any answers all year. If anyone deserves a ride out of town it's Bates. Go away!

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 02:29 PM
I can sit and laugh if he goes. I called it a disaster from day 1 last year.

tubby
01-04-2008, 02:38 PM
I can sit and laugh if he goes. I called it a disaster from day 1 last year.

I think you said you were pleased with the hire. But then said you would take a wait and see approach so you could be right either way.

tubby
01-04-2008, 02:41 PM
Yep.

http://209.67.211.115/forum/showpost.php?p=446936&postcount=39

slim
01-04-2008, 02:42 PM
Yep.

http://209.67.211.115/forum/showpost.php?p=446936&postcount=39

Ding, ding, ding....

HolyDiver
01-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Yep.

http://209.67.211.115/forum/showpost.php?p=446936&postcount=39


Nice work Tubby...............So, what do you have to say to that 9798?

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 03:00 PM
Boy that Bosshogg guy was so wrong... very funny how he attacked Zam when Zam said Bates sucks.

mclark
01-04-2008, 03:06 PM
I thought it was called "just kick me in the balls already and get it over with defense."

Generally speaking we forced opposing offenses to use up a lot of clock-time before scoring on us. We didn't give up a lot of big plays (forgetting the Green Bay game for a minute).

That's ball-control defense.

Those third and long conversions indicate just how well our defense was managing the clock.

tubby
01-04-2008, 03:06 PM
Nice work Tubby...............So, what do you have to say to that 9798?

I wish this site had neg rep. Guaranteed 9798 would have painted my ass red on that one.

:laugh:

MileHighWrath
01-04-2008, 03:07 PM
shame we won't have the freak around to keep everyone honest. Hasn't someone bought the forum from head freak yet? WTF are you waiting for?

slim
01-04-2008, 03:07 PM
shame we won't have the freak around to keep everyone honest. Hasn't someone bought the forum from head freak yet? WTF are you waiting for?

He won't sell it.

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 03:07 PM
shame we won't have the freak around to keep everyone honest. Hasn't someone bought the forum from head freak yet? WTF are you waiting for?

He won't sell it.... Already tried.

slim
01-04-2008, 03:08 PM
Is there an echo in here? :elefant:

tubby
01-04-2008, 03:12 PM
He won't sell it.... Already tried.

Which makes me think the Freak is going nowhere.

Why else would he refuse offers?

tubby
01-04-2008, 03:14 PM
shame we won't have the freak around to keep everyone honest.

Yeah, next thing you know Travis Henry will be tearing up the league and Boss will claim he knew it all along. :D

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 03:20 PM
Yeah, next thing you know Travis Henry will be tearing up the league and Boss will claim he knew it all along. :D

I think I've made it loud and clear that I don't like Travis Henry... Even the deletion of the Freak won't save my ass. Speaking of Henry, what a useless piece of ****.

Rex
01-04-2008, 03:22 PM
I think I've made it loud and clear that I don't like Travis Henry... Even the deletion of the Freak won't save my ass. Speaking of Henry, what a useless piece of ****.

Boy...how about that Tony Hunt?

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Boy...how about that Tony Hunt?

Can somone borrow me a pair of HD's boner pants?

tubby
01-04-2008, 03:37 PM
Ha ha. Tony Hunt.

I remember one day Boss and I were going back and forth and I said Travis Henry will have more yards rushing this year than Tony Hunt has in his entire career. Well, Henry went for 691 yards. So far Hunt has 16 yards rushing. At this pace Hunt would have to play for 44 years to get 691 yards.

:laugh:

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Ha ha. Tony Hunt.

I remember one day Boss and I were going back and forth and I said Travis Henry will have more yards rushing this year than Tony Hunt has in his entire career. Well, Henry went for 691 yards. So far Hunt has 16 yards rushing. At this pace Hunt would have to play for 44 years to get 691 yards.

:laugh:

Hunt is only one Westbrook injury away from taking over a pretty good work load at runningback, and with Westbrook draining his knees every week, I like my chances.

HolyDiver
01-04-2008, 04:06 PM
Ha ha. Tony Hunt.

I remember one day Boss and I were going back and forth and I said Travis Henry will have more yards rushing this year than Tony Hunt has in his entire career. Well, Henry went for 691 yards. So far Hunt has 16 yards rushing. At this pace Hunt would have to play for 44 years to get 691 yards.

:laugh:

Otis Armstrong had 90 yards his rookie year(1973)...........and then led the entire league in 1974 with 1407............I wouldn't call Hunt a bust just yet.

arapaho2
01-04-2008, 04:08 PM
Generally speaking we forced opposing offenses to use up a lot of clock-time before scoring on us. We didn't give up a lot of big plays (forgetting the Green Bay game for a minute).

That's ball-control defense.

Those third and long conversions indicate just how well our defense was managing the clock.



your kidding right?...ball control defense wtf is that?..other then a nickname for a defense unable to stop teams from driveing down the field

NightTrainLayne
01-04-2008, 04:11 PM
your kidding right?...ball control defense wtf is that?..other then a nickname for a defense unable to stop teams from driveing down the field

It's a joke.

LRtagger
01-04-2008, 04:59 PM
your kidding right?...ball control defense wtf is that?..other then a nickname for a defense unable to stop teams from driveing down the field

:balloons:

mclark
01-04-2008, 06:18 PM
Otis Armstrong had 90 yards his rookie year(1973)...........and then led the entire league in 1974 with 1407............I wouldn't call Hunt a bust just yet.

God bless, Otis Armstrong. Most exciting running back to ever play for the Denver Broncos. He like TDavis, had his career ended by an injury (a couple injuries). Unlike TD, he never really got the recognition he deserved.

Of course, TD needs to be recognized by Canton also.

mclark
01-04-2008, 06:18 PM
your kidding right?...ball control defense wtf is that?..other then a nickname for a defense unable to stop teams from driveing down the field

Yes, it was an attempt at humor. Unsuccessful, I'm assuming, since I had to explain it.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-04-2008, 06:30 PM
Bates tryed everything he could to make this thing work, The worst thing was switching defenses into something new. Shanny is the blame for this teams failures the last 8 years. Shanny should be getting canned monday if Bates is getting dumped. Your motivated by your head coach, Hes the captain, Everybody else is Co-Captains. When your not believing in your captain your going to look like crap and play like crap with no fire and heart or intensity.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-04-2008, 06:32 PM
Oh agree with Boss, Travis Henry aint all that. But hes probably has little trade value. Sure wish we went on and signed Willis McGahee like i said last off season

slim
01-04-2008, 06:44 PM
It's a joke.

If NTL thought it was funny...well, I'm not sure what that means. :elefant:

underrated29
01-04-2008, 06:44 PM
i like willis better too. But he would have cost us a 2nd rd pick. So we could either get henry and tim crowder, or willis mcgahee.

We made the right choice.

TXBRONC
01-04-2008, 07:00 PM
i like willis better too. But he would have cost us a 2nd rd pick. So we could either get henry and tim crowder, or willis mcgahee.

We made the right choice.


I agree we made the right choice.

broncofanatic1987
01-04-2008, 07:00 PM
I don't think you can be the fall-guy or the scapegoat when your defense is one of the worst in Broncos history. We had HISTORIC losses this year and utter ineptitude from beginning to end.

It's not like we're firing the DC who held our team together last season, like Oakland just did. Shanny may have more blame to take for this season than he's going to take, but firing Bates isn't throwing an undeserving man under the bus.

Jimbo is very deserving of the tiremarks that will hopefully be on his ass come Monday morning.

~G

I heard on the radio today that the rumors of Rob Ryan being fired are false. He'll be back in Oakland next season.

It's ridiculous to fire Bates after one year. The blame belongs entirely on the players and Shanahan. If Shanahan had actually brought in or kept players that fit Bates' scheme, maybe the defense would have been what it was supposed to be. If the players had even a smidgen of talent and intelligence to execute the defense, they would have done better than they did. The players were the ones missing tackles, blowing assignments, and not maintaining their gaps. On game day, it's the players' responsibility to execute. They failed to do it. If they had executed the defense and still did as badly as they did, I would agree that Bates should be fired, but that's not the case. The system is a proven success. The Broncos didn't have the talent to execute it. Give Bates the talent at defensive tackle and linebacker he needs and give him another year to improve the defense.

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 07:03 PM
I heard on the radio today that the rumors of Rob Ryan being fired are false. He'll be back in Oakland next season.

It's ridiculous to fire Bates after one year. The blame belongs entirely on the players and Shanahan. The players were the ones missing tackles, blowing assignments, and not maintaining their gaps. On game day, it's the players' responsibility to execute. They failed to do it. If they had executed the defense and still did as badly as they did, I would agree that Bates should be fired, but that's not the case. The system is a proven success. The Broncos didn't have the talent to execute it. Give Bates the talent at defensive tackle and linebacker he needs and give him another year to improve the defense.

These guys you talk about are the guys Bates convinced Shanny to bring in. Shanny listened to Bates and Bates is the one that evaluated the talent to bring in. You know those guys that got released halfway through the season.

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 07:05 PM
Screw the reputation. Joe Gibbs had a great reputation too before he got to Washington. it's what you do for me today, not yesterday. The NFL is a one year adventure. If you keep waiting, you fall further and further behind.

broncofanatic1987
01-04-2008, 07:19 PM
These guys you talk about are the guys Bates convinced Shanny to bring in. Shanny listened to Bates and Bates is the one that evaluated the talent to bring in. You know those guys that got released halfway through the season.

Were you in on the conversation when Bates was supposedly convincing Shanahan to bring these guys in?

Shanahan is responsible for player personnel. Bates may have given Shanahan a description of the kind of players he would like on his defense, but that doesn't mean he had the final say on who came in or who got the boot.

Watchthemiddle
01-04-2008, 07:22 PM
So if Bates was the guy behind the scenes telling Shanahan who to bring in and then Bates is gone...then what do we do with all this "talent" Bates wanted to bring in?

Like I have said before, this revoloving defensive coaching door needs to stop. Let the system play out and work before giving the axe..if he is given the axe.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-04-2008, 07:23 PM
These guys you talk about are the guys Bates convinced Shanny to bring in. Shanny listened to Bates and Bates is the one that evaluated the talent to bring in. You know those guys that got released halfway through the season.

Sorry bu tnobody can convince Shanny into doing anything. Shanny runs the show, Any real Bronco fans knows this. Nobody is gonna tell SHanny who and who not to bring in. Shanny is the one who decided moving DJ Williams to inside LB was best for Bates. Bates actually wanted to trade for Zach Thomas. Shanny makes all the calls around here. Hes been doing this for 8 years. 8 years of failure. Now after one year you guys wann ablame Bates? Funny

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 10:19 PM
So if Bates was the guy behind the scenes telling Shanahan who to bring in and then Bates is gone...then what do we do with all this "talent" Bates wanted to bring in?

Like I have said before, this revoloving defensive coaching door needs to stop. Let the system play out and work before giving the axe..if he is given the axe.

That's the problem, most were released. What talent are you talent about? There wasn't any.

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 10:20 PM
So if Bates was the guy behind the scenes telling Shanahan who to bring in and then Bates is gone...then what do we do with all this "talent" Bates wanted to bring in?

Like I have said before, this revoloving defensive coaching door needs to stop. Let the system play out and work before giving the axe..if he is given the axe.

Hire the right guy and it will stop.

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 10:21 PM
Were you in on the conversation when Bates was supposedly convincing Shanahan to bring these guys in?

Shanahan is responsible for player personnel. Bates may have given Shanahan a description of the kind of players he would like on his defense, but that doesn't mean he had the final say on who came in or who got the boot.

That's a good one, were you? I'm sure Bates had quite a big say and Shanny trusted him.

Watchthemiddle
01-04-2008, 10:27 PM
That's the problem, most were released. What talent are you talent about? There wasn't any.

You don't think he had any say in the Drafting of the 3 DE's?

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 10:39 PM
You don't think he had any say in the Drafting of the 3 DE's?

I'm sure he did. Moss is still an undersized project. Crowder is probably the best of the draft class right now. I'm sure he had a say, but all are still unproven.

I'm still convinced Bates had a say in the FA's. Remember we went after Wilkinson, he used to play for Bates. I'm just saying, Shanny listens to his coordinators, all coaches friggin do. Sure, Shanny has the final say, but I'm sure he bases his decisions on their recommendations. All good bosses listens to their subordinates. Just common sense. You think Shanny doesn't ask them at all and he just makes his own decisions?

TXBRONC
01-04-2008, 10:42 PM
You don't think he had any say in the Drafting of the 3 DE's?

We draft two defensive ends and a defensive tackle.

Watchthemiddle
01-04-2008, 10:48 PM
I'm sure he did. Moss is still an undersized project. Crowder is probably the best of the draft class right now. I'm sure he had a say, but all are still unproven.

I'm still convinced Bates had a say in the FA's. Remember we went after Wilkinson, he used to play for Bates. I'm just saying, Shanny listens to his coordinators, all coaches friggin do. Sure, Shanny has the final say, but I'm sure he bases his decisions on their recommendations. All good bosses listens to their subordinates. Just common sense. You think Shanny doesn't ask them at all and he just makes his own decisions?

I am sure they all listen to each other. Just like when we brought in the Cleveland D lind coach and all the Browncos followed. I am sure Shanahan listended to him..but who knows.

Maybe, Shanahan should STOP listening to the other coaches ( especially on defense ) and do his own thing like it seems he does on offense.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 12:38 AM
IDK, if he goes I think Slowik will be the replacement. I hate to say it, but I think it's true.

If so a sad day in Broncoville.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 12:57 AM
Bates tryed everything he could to make this thing work, The worst thing was switching defenses into something new. Shanny is the blame for this teams failures the last 8 years. Shanny should be getting canned monday if Bates is getting dumped. Your motivated by your head coach, Hes the captain, Everybody else is Co-Captains. When your not believing in your captain your going to look like crap and play like crap with no fire and heart or intensity.

Amen brother

Mikey neglected the DL from day one had one major player in the first round price and after he got his fat contract and became a recording mogul his play suffered . only showed up after being called out by mikey and Rod from time to time..

The only other day one choice he took was traded away a year after being taken because we could not find playing time for him. He now starts for the Colts, Reagor..

IMO Bates was the moving force in picking the DL players last year and if it were not for him we would still have the browncos almost intact..

mikey has never brought in quality coaches and left them alone to work their magic..

If they are not his ******* Buddie he makes them the current year scape goats..

Even Bates could not turn this group of sows ears in to silk purses..

Scarface
01-05-2008, 10:46 AM
A great coach should be able to walk into any lockerroom and coach based off the talent he has. Bates tried to force feed his system to a bunch of guys that didn't fit the system. Then he took way too long to adjust and by the time he did, it made a slight impact and we still were garbage on defense. I want him gone but the longer its taking makes me think he's going to get a second chance....which would suck.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 12:54 PM
Screw the reputation. Joe Gibbs had a great reputation too before he got to Washington. it's what you do for me today, not yesterday. The NFL is a one year adventure. If you keep waiting, you fall further and further behind.

If this is your thought then fire shanny, at least as a GM because he sucks at it.. Outside of LB almost all of his Pre 2006 first day DAFTEES were losers..


Keepers in RED
total waste of a PICK IMHO
LB's that have contributed

2007 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida
2 56 Tim Crowder DE Texas
3 70 Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
4 121 Marcus Thomas DT Florida

2006 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 61 Tony Scheffler TE Western Michigan
4 119 Brandon Marshall WR Central Florida
4 126 Elvis Dumervil DE Louisville
4 130 Domenik Hixon WR Akron What moron released him

2005 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 56 Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State
3 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State
3 97 Domonique Foxworth CB Maryland
3 101 Maurice Clarett what moron DAFTED him

1 17 D.J. Williams OLB Miami (Fla.)
2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State
2 54 Darius Watts WR Marshall ONE HANDED WR MAROON!!
3 85 Jeremy LeSueur CB Michigan

2003 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce
2002 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 19 Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
2 51 Clinton Portis RB Miami (Fla.)
3 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State

2001 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota
2 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall
3 87 Reggie Hayward DE was not re-signed MAROON

2000 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California
2 40 Ian Gold LB Michigan
2 45 Kenoy Kennedy SAF Arkansas
3 70 Chris Cole WR Texas A&M


1999 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 31 Al Wilson MLB Tennessee
2 58 Montae Reagor DE Texas Tech
2 61 Lennie Friedman C Duke
3 67 Chris Watson CB Eastern Illinois
3 93 Travis McGriff WR Florida


1998 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 30 Marcus Nash WR Tennessee
2 61 Eric Brown SS Mississippi State
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan

1997 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 28 Trevor Pryce DT Clemson
3 67 Dan Neil G Texas


I included some 4 the rounders in 2006-07 as they just might be keepers..

mikey is the cause this team is in disarray, you build a teams VIA the draft. He has failed miserably and had to spend way to much on getting FA to fill more than just a few holes..

Yes he has drafted well for OLINE guys late in the rounds but I think everyone can now look back and see that we are lousy in the red zone on both sides.. We have to get bigger on the OLINE to be decent in side the 5. I'm not asking for a DALLAS OLINE just bigger so he can keep his vaunted ZBS and protect his QB.

Bronco9798
01-05-2008, 01:03 PM
It is my thought. I take the NFL as a one year adventure. I believe in filling gaps each year with FA and draft for the future allowing the youth and the veterans to blend in as time goes by. I think when you resort to rebuiding you fall behind, making it tougher to catch back up with the rest of the better teams in the NFL.

You have to have good front office people to stay competive in the NFL. We have a great owner, we have a poor GM, but a very good coach. I think we need to bring in a Bill Polian type to evalute talent and let Shanny get back to coaching. Shanny only needs fired from his GM duties.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 01:04 PM
So if Bates was the guy behind the scenes telling Shanahan who to bring in and then Bates is gone...then what do we do with all this "talent" Bates wanted to bring in?

Like I have said before, this revoloving defensive coaching door needs to stop. Let the system play out and work before giving the axe..if he is given the axe.

Your correct here a few years ago it was the browncos and their old coach..Coyer was never A DC just a great LB coach, but was a YES man. They never drafted QUALITY talent first day on D until 2005 Except LB's.
Ray Rhodes would have done better had he been given a free reign but when it was apparent he was not going to be a YES man he disappeared. Their was one DC that loved to blitz his name escapes me presently but one who lives by the blitz dies by the blitz.. Manning proved that many times..

Bates is proven DC would have been the HC in MIA had his players been given a vote.. Transformed GB into a viable Defense. Kept us in the season a lot longer than the OFFENSE did IMO, considering the talent he was given, had he not been here it would have been another year of the browncos type DL. When they looked for a solid DT all that were out there was Sam and Jimmy. That should tell Y'all what a hot commodity Drafted DT's are..

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 01:07 PM
It is my thought. I take the NFL as a one year adventure. I believe in filling gaps each year with FA and draft for the future allowing the youth and the veterans to blend in as time goes by. I think when you resort to rebuiding you fall behind, making it tougher to catch back up with the rest of the better teams in the NFL.

You have to have good front office people to stay competive in the NFL. We have a great owner, we have a poor GM, but a very good coach. I think we need to bring in a Bill Polian type to evalute talent and let Shanny get back to coaching. Shanny only needs fired from his GM duties.


I totally agree with you on this..

Nobody wanted to hear last year this was a rebuilding year no no it was a reloading year..

Mikey has driven the talent level on this team into the toilet via the draft and has had to buy expensive FA's to make up for that failure.

atwater27
01-05-2008, 01:08 PM
It is my thought. I take the NFL as a one year adventure. I believe in filling gaps each year with FA and draft for the future allowing the youth and the veterans to blend in as time goes by. I think when you resort to rebuiding you fall behind, making it tougher to catch back up with the rest of the better teams in the NFL.

You have to have good front office people to stay competive in the NFL. We have a great owner, we have a poor GM, but a very good coach. I think we need to bring in a Bill Polian type to evalute talent and let Shanny get back to coaching. Shanny only needs fired from his GM duties.

Except one position. Shanny needs to be the RB scout/expert. He's the best in the league, maybe ever, at evaluating RB talent.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 01:11 PM
Except one position. Shanny needs to be the RB scout/expert. He's the best in the league, maybe ever, at evaluating RB talent.

I think it is the RB coach not shanny..

atwater27
01-05-2008, 01:13 PM
I think it is the RB coach not shanny..

Has he had the same one the whole time? And do you honestly think he has no say in approving the choices?

slim
01-05-2008, 01:29 PM
I think it is the RB coach not shanny..

Now, you can't have it both ways. He gets all the credit for the good picks and all blame for the poor picks.

BTW, I agree that he needs to step aside from his GM duties and just be the HC.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 01:30 PM
Has he had the same one the whole time? And do you honestly think he has no say in approving the choices?


Bobby turner has been here since TD I think he has alot of say in who come and goes.. I think Mikey values his comments more than anyones.

Brand
01-05-2008, 02:14 PM
We were playing ball-control defense.

:laugh:....

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 02:56 PM
If this is your thought then fire shanny, at least as a GM because he sucks at it.. Outside of LB almost all of his Pre 2006 first day DAFTEES were losers..


Keepers in RED
total waste of a PICK IMHO
LB's that have contributed

2007 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida
2 56 Tim Crowder DE Texas
3 70 Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
4 121 Marcus Thomas DT Florida

2006 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 61 Tony Scheffler TE Western Michigan
4 119 Brandon Marshall WR Central Florida
4 126 Elvis Dumervil DE Louisville
4 130 Domenik Hixon WR Akron What moron released him

2005 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 56 Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State
3 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State
3 97 Domonique Foxworth CB Maryland
3 101 Maurice Clarett what moron DAFTED him

1 17 D.J. Williams OLB Miami (Fla.)
2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State
2 54 Darius Watts WR Marshall ONE HANDED WR MAROON!!
3 85 Jeremy LeSueur CB Michigan

2003 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce
2002 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 19 Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
2 51 Clinton Portis RB Miami (Fla.)
3 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State

2001 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota
2 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall
3 87 Reggie Hayward DE was not re-signed MAROON

2000 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California
2 40 Ian Gold LB Michigan
2 45 Kenoy Kennedy SAF Arkansas
3 70 Chris Cole WR Texas A&M


1999 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 31 Al Wilson MLB Tennessee
2 58 Montae Reagor DE Texas Tech
2 61 Lennie Friedman C Duke
3 67 Chris Watson CB Eastern Illinois
3 93 Travis McGriff WR Florida


1998 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 30 Marcus Nash WR Tennessee
2 61 Eric Brown SS Mississippi State
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan

1997 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 28 Trevor Pryce DT Clemson
3 67 Dan Neil G Texas


I included some 4 the rounders in 2006-07 as they just might be keepers..

mikey is the cause this team is in disarray, you build a teams VIA the draft. He has failed miserably and had to spend way to much on getting FA to fill more than just a few holes..

Yes he has drafted well for OLINE guys late in the rounds but I think everyone can now look back and see that we are lousy in the red zone on both sides.. We have to get bigger on the OLINE to be decent in side the 5. I'm not asking for a DALLAS OLINE just bigger so he can keep his vaunted ZBS and protect his QB.


LADIES AND GENTLEMEN........THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO FIRE SHANNY AS EVERYTHING. I AGREE WITH THIS WHOLE LIST, OUT OF ALL THE PLAYERS WE TOOK SINCE 97 ONLY 14 OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY GOOD PLAYERS/ KEEPERS.

tubby
01-05-2008, 03:01 PM
Bates signed a three year contract. I do not think he is getting fired. Shanahan, Bates whomever it was tried to upgrade but were ultimately let down by the players. Adams, Kennedy, and Rice sucked. Moss broke his ankle and Holdman suffered and spinal-cord injury.

frauschieze
01-05-2008, 03:09 PM
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN........THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO FIRE SHANNY AS EVERYTHING. I AGREE WITH THIS WHOLE LIST, OUT OF ALL THE PLAYERS WE TOOK SINCE 97 ONLY 14 OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY GOOD PLAYERS/ KEEPERS.

I am not a good draft evaluator at all. I know this. But I look at that list and look at the last two drafts. They are mostly all in red. So the last two drafts were great? In general, the further back you go, the more yellow. What has changed in the past two years to make the drafting good? Or is it just that we haven't given enough time to the last two draft classes to see how good they really are?

If the last two classes were great, then how can you use the draft to justify dumping Shanahan? Whatever was wrong, he's gotten fixed.

EMB6903
01-05-2008, 03:13 PM
If this is your thought then fire shanny, at least as a GM because he sucks at it.. Outside of LB almost all of his Pre 2006 first day DAFTEES were losers..


Keepers in RED
total waste of a PICK IMHO
LB's that have contributed

2007 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 17 Jarvis Moss DE Florida
2 56 Tim Crowder DE Texas
3 70 Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
4 121 Marcus Thomas DT Florida

2006 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 61 Tony Scheffler TE Western Michigan
4 119 Brandon Marshall WR Central Florida
4 126 Elvis Dumervil DE Louisville
4 130 Domenik Hixon WR Akron What moron released him

2005 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 56 Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State
3 76 Karl Paymah DB Washington State
3 97 Domonique Foxworth CB Maryland
3 101 Maurice Clarett what moron DAFTED him

1 17 D.J. Williams OLB Miami (Fla.)
2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State
2 54 Darius Watts WR Marshall ONE HANDED WR MAROON!!
3 85 Jeremy LeSueur CB Michigan

2003 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 George Foster T Georgia
2 51 Terry Pierce
2002 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 19 Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
2 51 Clinton Portis RB Miami (Fla.)
3 96 Dorsett Davis DT Mississippi State

2001 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota
2 51 Paul Toviessi DE Marshall
3 87 Reggie Hayward DE was not re-signed MAROON

2000 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Deltha O'Neal CB California
2 40 Ian Gold LB Michigan
2 45 Kenoy Kennedy SAF Arkansas
3 70 Chris Cole WR Texas A&M


1999 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 31 Al Wilson MLB Tennessee
2 58 Montae Reagor DE Texas Tech
2 61 Lennie Friedman C Duke
3 67 Chris Watson CB Eastern Illinois
3 93 Travis McGriff WR Florida


1998 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 30 Marcus Nash WR Tennessee
2 61 Eric Brown SS Mississippi State
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan

1997 - Denver Broncos
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 28 Trevor Pryce DT Clemson
3 67 Dan Neil G Texas


I included some 4 the rounders in 2006-07 as they just might be keepers..

mikey is the cause this team is in disarray, you build a teams VIA the draft. He has failed miserably and had to spend way to much on getting FA to fill more than just a few holes..

Yes he has drafted well for OLINE guys late in the rounds but I think everyone can now look back and see that we are lousy in the red zone on both sides.. We have to get bigger on the OLINE to be decent in side the 5. I'm not asking for a DALLAS OLINE just bigger so he can keep his vaunted ZBS and protect his QB.

ok no offense, but this is complete stupidity, you have Al wilson as just a "linebacker that contributed" yet you put montea reagor as a keeper? ashley lelie was a wasted pick?? hey im not saying he lived up to his hype, but he did have a 1000+ yard 7 td season and was arguablby one of the biggest deep threats that year,deltha oneal had 20 ints here, thats a waste of a pick? foster started 2-3 years in denver, waste of pick??? Tatum Bell was a 1000 yard runner here, and had several games where he was amazing.. please dont reply with the "where are these players now" i know they are all gone.. but to say they were a waste of pick when they started games and were PRODUCTIVE is crazy, all you guys hate on shanahan because of a losing season, but dont realize these past 3 drafts have been nothing less then "solid" wait and see next year, you guys will forget quickly, and look foolish.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 03:14 PM
I am not a good draft evaluator at all. I know this. But I look at that list and look at the last two drafts. They are mostly all in red. So the last two drafts were great? In general, the further back you go, the more yellow. What has changed in the past two years to make the drafting good? Or is it just that we haven't given enough time to the last two draft classes to see how good they really are?

If the last two classes were great, then how can you use the draft to justify dumping Shanahan? Whatever was wrong, he's gotten fixed.

Nah its not fixed, Ted is probably getting to do his job now, Thats why he has not left yet. Shanny has just set this team sooooo far back im tired of it. I knew he was a horrible GM but that list just made me boil over. So when you me and every other Bronco fan wonder why were not elite or consistantly a great team like the Colts and Pats you can look no further than our GM decisions. When you look at the Colts and Pats they have players on there team still playing at high levels from 6-7 years ago....

omac
01-05-2008, 03:18 PM
If the last two classes were great, then how can you use the draft to justify dumping Shanahan? Whatever was wrong, he's gotten fixed.

Sounds very reasonable indeed. Pretty much in line with this logic, earlier ...


Now, you can't have it both ways. He gets all the credit for the good picks and all blame for the poor picks.

2 of the few truly objective posts here. :salute:

frauschieze
01-05-2008, 03:19 PM
Nah its not fixed, Ted is probably getting to do his job now, Thats why he has not left yet. Shanny has just set this team sooooo far back im tired of it. I knew he was a horrible GM but that list just made me boil over. So when you me and every other Bronco fan wonder why were not elite or consistantly a great team like the Colts and Pats you can look no further than our GM decisions. When you look at the Colts and Pats they have players on there team still playing at high levels from 6-7 years ago....

Point taken. Thank you.

claymore
01-05-2008, 03:19 PM
Nah its not fixed, Ted is probably getting to do his job now, Thats why he has not left yet. Shanny has just set this team sooooo far back im tired of it. I knew he was a horrible GM but that list just made me boil over. So when you me and every other Bronco fan wonder why were not elite or consistantly a great team like the Colts and Pats you can look no further than our GM decisions. When you look at the Colts and Pats they have players on there team still playing at high levels from 6-7 years ago....The Pats are a freak of nature and lucked out drafting one of the, if not the greates QB ever in the 6th RD.

Colts have one 1 SB, they drafted one of the Best QB's ever in 99? We Lost so many HOF'ers. Look at Miami, and SF, what they have gone thru after losing there HOF QB's.

We have been a very competitive team during this whole period of time. Shanny is responsible for that.

What I am saying is that the Colts are not a great team. They lucked into beating the pats last year, which is a great team. Then they beat the Bears in the SB, which is not a great team.

slim
01-05-2008, 03:22 PM
The Pats are a freak of nature and lucked out drafting one of the, if not the greates QB ever in the 6th RD.

Colts have one 1 SB, they drafted one of the Best QB's ever in 99? We Lost so many HOF'ers. Look at Miami, and SF, what they have gone thru after losing there HOF QB's.

We have been a very competitive team during this whole period of time. Shanny is responsible for that.

What I am saying is that the Colts are not a great team. They lucked into beating the pats last year, which is a great team. Then they beat the Bears in the SB, which is not a great team.

I kinda disagree about the Colts. I would consider them an elite team. But you are right. The reason the Colts and Pats are elite is because they have HOF QB's. It's pretty simple, really.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 03:38 PM
The Pats are a freak of nature and lucked out drafting one of the, if not the greates QB ever in the 6th RD.

Colts have one 1 SB, they drafted one of the Best QB's ever in 99? We Lost so many HOF'ers. Look at Miami, and SF, what they have gone thru after losing there HOF QB's.

We have been a very competitive team during this whole period of time. Shanny is responsible for that.

What I am saying is that the Colts are not a great team. They lucked into beating the pats last year, which is a great team. Then they beat the Bears in the SB, which is not a great team.

The Colts are not a great team? Winning over 13 games a year almost every year is not a great team? They just couldnt get over the Pats hump but they finally did. Colts have great players all around dude. We have no talent from our drafts over 5 years ago. We havent been competitive because most these guys dont even compete. Pats are lucky? No such thing as luck. Either its going to happen or its not. A competitive team is a team who can lose there starting QB for 5-6 games and still make the playoffs like the Eagles did or something. Its been over 8 years since Elway retired and we had one great season which was the 13-3 year. Too me theres no question what the blueprint is to be a good team. Draft well and you will have a great team. **Be like the Colts and Pats**. I doubt any of you can tell me that if we had drafted far better players since 97 that we would still suck right now.....Proof is in the pudding. I wanna be like the Colts and Pats. I dont wanna say we have a chance to win it all every year just because ima homer, I wanna be able to say it every year and actually mean it like Pats and Colts fans can.

tubby
01-05-2008, 03:39 PM
HOF Quaterbacks are nice to have.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 03:40 PM
I kinda disagree about the Colts. I would consider them an elite team. But you are right. The reason the Colts and Pats are elite is because they have HOF QB's. It's pretty simple, really.

I agree and then disagree. What is Manning without Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, Joe Addai...... This thing goes and and hand when it comes to having great QB's. Peyton will tell you hisself that a QB is only as good as the talent around him. Hopefully we can surround Cutler with as many great weapons as Manning has and Brady has.

Broncospsycho77
01-05-2008, 03:46 PM
Nah its not fixed, Ted is probably getting to do his job now, Thats why he has not left yet. Shanny has just set this team sooooo far back im tired of it. I knew he was a horrible GM but that list just made me boil over. So when you me and every other Bronco fan wonder why were not elite or consistantly a great team like the Colts and Pats you can look no further than our GM decisions. When you look at the Colts and Pats they have players on there team still playing at high levels from 6-7 years ago....

Not every team is good every year... the NFL has enough parity that any team can fall to mediocrity any year.

The Colts and Pats have a couple of common denominators, and a hearty amount of luck. Hall of Fame QBs (Pats got lucky with a 6th rounder and Bledsoe injury) allow some stability on offense; the 49ers tried the same thing with Alex Smith, and it failed... include every team that picked up Ryan Leaf... luck contributes as much to a dynasty as coaching... You have to be bad some year to get the draft picks to rebound to be able to take the Peyton Manning or the Mario Williams type player to turn a franchise around.

A transition year is not the year to dump the head coach. We'll set ourselves back two plus years more if we dump Shanny more. I don't care who we bring in, or if we do... you can't blame the head coach for every unlucky thing to happen to him (see: Al Wilson's injury).

Mike
01-05-2008, 03:48 PM
HOF Quaterbacks are nice to have.

So is an exceptional offensive line.



I agree and then disagree. What is Manning without Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, Joe Addai...... This thing goes and and hand when it comes to having great QB's. Peyton will tell you hisself that a QB is only as good as the talent around him. Hopefully we can surround Cutler with as many great weapons as Manning has and Brady has.

Manning would have flourished wherever he went. I do not discredit his cast, they are great players too...but I think Manning, like any of the greats, makes the players around them look better than they are.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 03:52 PM
Not every team is good every year... the NFL has enough parity that any team can fall to mediocrity any year.

The Colts and Pats have a couple of common denominators, and a hearty amount of luck. Hall of Fame QBs (Pats got lucky with a 6th rounder and Bledsoe injury) allow some stability on offense; the 49ers tried the same thing with Alex Smith, and it failed... include every team that picked up Ryan Leaf... luck contributes as much to a dynasty as coaching... You have to be bad some year to get the draft picks to rebound to be able to take the Peyton Manning or the Mario Williams type player to turn a franchise around.

A transition year is not the year to dump the head coach. We'll set ourselves back two plus years more if we dump Shanny more. I don't care who we bring in, or if we do... you can't blame the head coach for every unlucky thing to happen to him (see: Al Wilson's injury).

YOU CAN BLAME THE HEAD COACH IS HES THE GM AND YOU SEE THAT LIST OF PLAYERS WE DRAFTED SINCE 97........AND IM SURE A TEAM WILL STRUGGLE LIKE WADE PHILLIPS AND THE COWBOYS DID THIS YEAR HUH?

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 03:55 PM
So is an exceptional offensive line.




Manning would have flourished wherever he went. I do not discredit his cast, they are great players too...but I think Manning, like any of the greats, makes the players around them look better than they are.

So you think Manning would break TD records with the supporting cast of, Matt Jones, Dennis Northcutt, Darius Watts as his wide outs, With his tight ends being Chad Mustard and Steven Alexander, and his back being Tatum Bell??

Mike
01-05-2008, 03:56 PM
AND IM SURE A TEAM WILL STRUGGLE LIKE WADE PHILLIPS AND THE COWBOYS DID THIS YEAR HUH?

You are right the Cowboys did not struggle under Phillips. But easy on the commendation to him. He is a defensive coach. The Cowboys are winning because of their offense not their defense. The offense was assembled by Parcells...everything was in place...plus they had continuity (Jason Garrett had a similar situation as Kubiak had here in Denver). IMO Phillips has had as little to do with the Cowboys success as Turner has had to do with the Chargers.

claymore
01-05-2008, 03:56 PM
The biggest difference between us and the Colts, and Pats is our Oline. Plain and simple.

Mike
01-05-2008, 04:00 PM
So you think Manning would break TD records with the supporting cast of, Matt Jones, Dennis Northcutt, Darius Watts as his wide outs, With his tight ends being Chad Mustard and Steven Alexander, and his back being Tatum Bell??

I don't know, but neither did I claim that he could do that. If anyone could do it would be him though. I do know that he would make all of those players look better than they actually are though. IMO Manning is one of the greatest QBs in the history of the NFL in both talent and cerebral.

tubby
01-05-2008, 04:04 PM
YOU CAN BLAME THE HEAD COACH IS HES THE GM AND YOU SEE THAT LIST OF PLAYERS WE DRAFTED SINCE 97........AND IM SURE A TEAM WILL STRUGGLE LIKE WADE PHILLIPS AND THE COWBOYS DID THIS YEAR HUH?

Caps lock is on. Post reported.

We have one Pro Bowler on the roster. Think Cam Cameron and the Dolphins or Kiffin and the Raiders or Petreno and the Falcons.

slim
01-05-2008, 04:05 PM
I don't know, but neither did I claim that he could do that. If anyone could do it would be him though. I do know that he would make all of those players look better than they actually are though. IMO Manning is one of the greatest QBs in the history of the NFL in both talent and cerebral.

Of course he is. I can't believe there is even a discussion about it.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 04:13 PM
Theres no question hes the best QB in the NFL. But hes not making Watts, Jones and Northcutt probowlers.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 04:17 PM
Caps lock is on. Post reported.

We have one Pro Bowler on the roster. Think Cam Cameron and the Dolphins or Kiffin and the Raiders or Petreno and the Falcons.

?????????????????????? What in the world did this post have to do with anything? And if your reporting something then just report it okay? Dont put it out in the open in a attempt to provoke me into saying something. But yeah ?????????what in the world did you just say?? Lmaoooo

EMB6903
01-05-2008, 04:18 PM
Caps lock is on. Post reported.

We have one Pro Bowler on the roster. Think Cam Cameron and the Dolphins or Kiffin and the Raiders or Petreno and the Falcons.


what in the hell does this mean??

Bronco9798
01-05-2008, 04:21 PM
Lighten up people, he isn't reporting anything..Just an expression he uses. Good lord.

claymore
01-05-2008, 04:30 PM
?????????????????????? What in the world did this post have to do with anything? And if your reporting something then just report it okay? Dont put it out in the open in a attempt to provoke me into saying something. But yeah ?????????what in the world did you just say?? LmaooooIt was a joke JWalk.

tubby
01-05-2008, 04:31 PM
Wade Phillips, a first year HC, was brought up. I was just brought up a few other first year Head Coaches who didn't have success.

Getting rid of Shanahan is stoopid and would set the franchise back years like phycho said.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 04:33 PM
It was a joke JWalk.

Ohhhhhhh righhhhht

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 04:35 PM
Wade Phillips, a first year HC, was brought up. I was just brought up a few other first year Head Coaches who didn't have success.

Getting rid of Shanahan is stoopid and would set the franchise back years like phycho said.

Uhhh the coaches that took over those jobs took over horrible teams.......You wanna tell me exactly why it would set the franchise back even more years? Because Shanny has us set back the last 8 years. Whats wrong with a new coach taking him a year or 2 to turn this thing around?

tubby
01-05-2008, 04:37 PM
Uhhh the coaches that took over those jobs took over horrible teams.......You wanna tell me exactly why it would set the franchise back even more years? Because Shanny has us set back the last 8 years. Whats wrong with a new coach taking him a year or 2 to turn this thing around?

Like I said we have one pro bowler on the roster. How many did Dallas have? MIA, OAK, ATL?

I'll take my chances giving Shanahan 2 years to turn a 7-9 team into a contender.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 04:45 PM
Like I said we have one pro bowler on the roster. How many did Dallas have? MIA, OAK, ATL?

I'll take my chances giving Shanahan 2 years to turn a 7-9 team into a contender.

At this rate were losing more and more games every year. So what do you have to back that up? We havent been contenders since the back to backs.. You just saying you will take your chances sounds like a bias opinion. All homerism aside. If you can see were not getting better. We have got younger but we dont play with fire, We dont compete<<Thats a HC problem.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 04:48 PM
And for the record pro bowls is just s popularity thing, It does not mean who is the best out there. Just means whose getting the most coverage and exposure. Brandon Marshall woulda made the pro bowl if he was on the pats roster.

claymore
01-05-2008, 04:48 PM
At this rate were losing more and more games every year. So what do you have to back that up? We havent been contenders since the back to backs.. You just saying you will take your chances sounds like a bias opinion. All homerism aside. If you can see were not getting better. We have got younger but we dont play with fire, We dont compete<<Thats a HC problem.
We need to Improve IMO. And that is a coaching thing for sure.

tubby
01-05-2008, 04:50 PM
We were in the AFCC two year ago. I would consider that being in contention. But hey that's just me.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 04:53 PM
We were in the AFCC two year ago. I would consider that being in contention. But hey that's just me.

Yeah on what was a magical season, Just to get blown into pieces by a team that probably was not better than us, WHo should not even have won the super bowl. Since 13-3 its been 9-7 and now 7-9....Oh yeah i can definitly see the light Tubby....

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 04:55 PM
Give me a team like the Colts who seem to be in the AFCC every year. Thats how you know you have a chance to win it all every year.

tubby
01-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Yeah on what was a magical season, Just to get blown into pieces by a team that probably was not better than us, WHo should not even have won the super bowl. Since 13-3 its been 9-7 and now 7-9....Oh yeah i can definitly see the light Tubby....

Were the Broncos contenders in 2005?

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Were the Broncos contenders in 2005?

NO..........

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 05:03 PM
Anytime you have Plummer your not a contender,

Broncospsycho77
01-05-2008, 05:03 PM
NO..........

Really, when we were one of four teams remaining in the playoffs... I think that qualifies as "contending".

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 05:06 PM
Really, when we were one of four teams remaining in the playoffs... I think that qualifies as "contending".

Contenders dont follow up the season 9-7 and then 7-9.....Oh and dump there trashy Qb named Plummer.

Broncospsycho77
01-05-2008, 05:08 PM
Contenders dont follow up the season 9-7 and then 7-9.....Oh and dump there trashy Qb named Plummer.

We weren't talking about 2006 or 2004. The fact is that we were a top 5 team in the playoffs despite having a mistake-prone QB. We were contenders in 2005. We were not contenders in 2006.

BeefStew25
01-05-2008, 05:13 PM
If we don't go 14-2 next year, I am finding a new team. Who is with me? WHO IS WITH ME?

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 05:17 PM
We weren't talking about 2006 or 2004. The fact is that we were a top 5 team in the playoffs despite having a mistake-prone QB. We were contenders in 2005. We were not contenders in 2006.

Anybody can bust out and have a great year, Great contending teams are not inconsistant. Great contenders dont miss the playoffs the following next 2 seasons. Great contending teams dont have 1 great year in 8 years. If there was a such thing as luck then luck would be that 13-3 season.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 05:18 PM
If we don't go 14-2 next year, I am finding a new team. Who is with me? WHO IS WITH ME?

:confused::confused:

Broncospsycho77
01-05-2008, 05:19 PM
Anybody can bust out and have a great year, Great contending teams are not inconsistant. Great contenders dont miss the playoffs the following next 2 seasons. Great contending teams dont have 1 great year in 8 years. If there was a such thing as luck then luck would be that 13-3 season.

So then, by your standards, only the Colts and Patriots are contenders. That leaves 30 other teams as "noncontenders". Just asking for confirmation.

EMB6903
01-05-2008, 05:19 PM
At this rate were losing more and more games every year. So what do you have to back that up? We havent been contenders since the back to backs.. You just saying you will take your chances sounds like a bias opinion. All homerism aside. If you can see were not getting better. We have got younger but we dont play with fire, We dont compete<<Thats a HC problem.




We were in the afc champ game in 2005 (going 13-3) if we werent contenders then who was??also on your "we dont play with fire" comment I dont think any nfl player should have to be motivated these are grown men, proffesional athletes... if they need somebody to motivate them then they dont belong in the NFL.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 05:26 PM
We were in the afc champ game in 2005 (going 13-3) if we werent contenders then who was??also on your "we dont play with fire" comment I dont think any nfl player should have to be motivated these are grown men, proffesional athletes... if they need somebody to motivate them then they dont belong in the NFL.

Then you might aswell look at every player in the NFL just about, Facts are coaches are needed to motivate players. Some of the greatest motivational speaches come from head coaches. WHen your team is having a bad year and they QUIT then there not motivated. Guys on this team QUIT on there head coach. If you didnt see that in the games then heyyy. Our team was on some crap where if they were playing well then they were hyped, When they was gettin pounded they lay down and quit. Thats not amotivated team. Also when you get the money and the house and the cars etc.....Your going to fall off mentally just a little bit. It takes a great coach to bring the best out of his players. Always has been that way.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-05-2008, 05:27 PM
Oh and i semi agree that you shouldnt need to be motivated but the facts are you have to motivate this generation of players when there making so much money, Back in the day they were playing for contract after contract not making much money. Now days you can sign one contract and your set for life.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 05:45 PM
I am not a good draft evaluator at all. I know this. But I look at that list and look at the last two drafts. They are mostly all in red. So the last two drafts were great? In general, the further back you go, the more yellow. What has changed in the past two years to make the drafting good? Or is it just that we haven't given enough time to the last two draft classes to see how good they really are?

If the last two classes were great, then how can you use the draft to justify dumping Shanahan? Whatever was wrong, he's gotten fixed.

If you really look back at almost all of mikeys DAFTEES they last a couple of years and are never heard from again usually dumped after the second perhaps TC..

I think Humdinger or someone came along and added input to the Cutler class so to speak it was mainly offense anyway..

Bates I truly believe was a major domo in last years picks.. mikey has NEVER drafted more than two D guys in a draft since forever and certainly not in top choices..

has mikey solved the DAFT riddle I guess we will find out after TC this year..

Maybe someone (Pat) in the organization has finally whispered in his ear that things have got to get better in making these choices.. He certainly overreached for many of his choices since TD was dafted.. I REALLY think that single choice lead him to believe he was the mastermind as a GM also..

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 06:12 PM
ok no offense, but this is complete stupidity, you have Al wilson as just a "linebacker that contributed" yet you put montea reagor as a keeper? ashley lelie was a wasted pick?? hey im not saying he lived up to his hype, but he did have a 1000+ yard 7 td season and was arguablby one of the biggest deep threats that year,deltha oneal had 20 ints here, thats a waste of a pick? foster started 2-3 years in denver, waste of pick??? Tatum Bell was a 1000 yard runner here, and had several games where he was amazing.. please dont reply with the "where are these players now" i know they are all gone.. but to say they were a waste of pick when they started games and were PRODUCTIVE is crazy, all you guys hate on shanahan because of a losing season, but dont realize these past 3 drafts have been nothing less then "solid" wait and see next year, you guys will forget quickly, and look foolish.

Lets talk about it I said in the post that outside of LB mikey first day picks sucked over all.

ashley did nothing more in the one season than most every other WR and QB did they all had great years in 2004 with the ROE.
#35 in catches that year..
#19 in yards
#20 in TD's
#31 in 1st downs
#30 in longest pass Rod was #2
#11 in YPC

Unfortunately they do not list YAC or he would probably be near the bottom.

delta gave up more points than what he made.. make a good play, bone head the next, repeat, repeat, repeat.. what has he done since leaving DEN is he even starting this year?

foster may have started but you do not waste #1's on non starters what is he #4 in DET this year?

tater my favorite could not hit the hole consistently was tackle most of the time by a breeze going by. Every warm body RB gets a thousand yards in DEN..

So mikey has had 2.5 quality drafts out of 13 wow what a legacy.. I hope he fires himself as GM and hires someone that can tell a real football player from the fakes he has been wasting our day one picks on. Excepting LB..

What are you mikeys wife?

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 06:14 PM
Nah its not fixed, Ted is probably getting to do his job now, Thats why he has not left yet. Shanny has just set this team sooooo far back im tired of it. I knew he was a horrible GM but that list just made me boil over. So when you me and every other Bronco fan wonder why were not elite or consistantly a great team like the Colts and Pats you can look no further than our GM decisions. When you look at the Colts and Pats they have players on there team still playing at high levels from 6-7 years ago....


Great comment
Just imagine what mikey could do with quality draftees. He is a magician with his bunch of losers he has picked and kept a couple of years and then dumped.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 06:18 PM
I kinda disagree about the Colts. I would consider them an elite team. But you are right. The reason the Colts and Pats are elite is because they have HOF QB's. It's pretty simple, really.

While they are a huge reason they are good the rest of there team is pretty good also..

They built those team via the draft and supplement the FA into holes .
We have built eh OLINE and LB via the draft and went the expensive route to trade for or sign FA for the bulk of the team..

Go look at the rosters..

EMB6903
01-05-2008, 08:09 PM
Lets talk about it I said in the post that outside of LB mikey first day picks sucked over all.

ashley did nothing more in the one season than most every other WR and QB did they all had great years in 2004 with the ROE.
#35 in catches that year..
#19 in yards
#20 in TD's
#31 in 1st downs
#30 in longest pass Rod was #2
#11 in YPC

Unfortunately they do not list YAC or he would probably be near the bottom.

delta gave up more points than what he made.. make a good play, bone head the next, repeat, repeat, repeat.. what has he done since leaving DEN is he even starting this year?

foster may have started but you do not waste #1's on non starters what is he #4 in DET this year?

tater my favorite could not hit the hole consistently was tackle most of the time by a breeze going by. Every warm body RB gets a thousand yards in DEN..

So mikey has had 2.5 quality drafts out of 13 wow what a legacy.. I hope he fires himself as GM and hires someone that can tell a real football player from the fakes he has been wasting our day one picks on. Excepting LB..

What are you mikeys wife?


obviously you are not getting my point, a guy who has 20 ints with a team is not a "waste of pick" might have been a bad one, but a "waste of pick" is just stupidity..these players that I listed all started multiple years for us and Deltha was way better as a special teams threat then we have now... and please explain how Al Wilson just "contributed" for us and wasnt a 'keeper' like you said Montea Reagor was... i do think Shanahan should step down as gM and consentrate more on the field. But tell me Broncos have had a bad draft these last 3 years Ill call you an idiot. aside from ryan harris last years draft was solid, 2 years ago We drafted a franchise QB and WR as well as a very talented pass rusher and a potential pro bowl TE...


oh ya, as far as the "mikeys wife' comment, no Im no.. I just cant stand ignorance, and when you have to reach and say a 1000 yard rusher who averaged near 5 yards per carry in Denver is a "waste of pick" ill call you out on it, as wll as a reciever who had 1000+ yards off 20 yards PER CATCH that started several years for us... please, think before you type, thanks!

EMB6903
01-05-2008, 08:18 PM
oh ya and JRWIZ, can you please send a link that shows his ranking in Yards per catch that year, you said he was 11th, and he averaged 20 yards per catch... I highly doubt 10 were better that year, so send a link, i'd appreciate it.... THANKS!

BOSSHOGG30
01-06-2008, 09:42 AM
After watching the Jags and Steelers game yesterday I wonder why Denver didn't bring in DT Grady Jackson before the Jags did. He looked very good yesterday and would of been the proto-type DT that Bates was looking for, but for some reason Denver didn't really address the DT problem after Adams was a bust. Makes me wonder if Bates even knows what he is looking for anymore after the Adams and Dan Wilkinson mistakes.

TXBRONC
01-06-2008, 10:09 AM
oh ya and JRWIZ, can you please send a link that shows his ranking in Yards per catch that year, you said he was 11th, and he averaged 20 yards per catch... I highly doubt 10 were better that year, so send a link, i'd appreciate it.... THANKS!



He wasn't 11th, Lelie lead the League that year in ypc. Also all seven of his touchdown receptions where from 20 yard or more.

MileHighWrath
01-06-2008, 10:10 AM
Is it Monday yet? The wait is killing me.

CHARLIEADAMSFAN
01-06-2008, 10:13 AM
I don't think you can be the fall-guy or the scapegoat when your defense is one of the worst in Broncos history. We had HISTORIC losses this year and utter ineptitude from beginning to end.

It's not like we're firing the DC who held our team together last season, like Oakland just did. Shanny may have more blame to take for this season than he's going to take, but firing Bates isn't throwing an undeserving man under the bus.

Jimbo is very deserving of the tiremarks that will hopefully be on his ass come Monday morning.

~G

agree completely

gobroncsnv
01-06-2008, 12:30 PM
Yeah, our D roster is SET... Just need the right guy to lead us. Hope all of our picks in the DAFT and the FA moves we make concentrate on offense and special teams. Defense just needs the "right" scheme. :confused:





Yes, that IS your sarcasm detector exploding.

gobroncsnv
01-06-2008, 12:38 PM
Maybe someone (Pat) in the organization has finally whispered in his ear that things have got to get better in making these choices.. He certainly overreached for many of his choices since TD was dafted.. I REALLY think that single choice lead him to believe he was the mastermind as a GM also..

You could also list getting rid of Portis, getting Champ, getting BMarsh in the 4th, DJ, Stokes, Cutler, Elvis, and Selvin (not a draft choice, but a great signing) to support Shanny still has some touch left. Trust me, I have REALLY scratched my head at some of the moves he's made, but there have been some great acquisitions as well. And I agree, appears that things are getting better.

SmilinAssasSin27
01-06-2008, 12:47 PM
I really have no opinion on bates as a whole. IF he stays, we need to get the correct players in here. IF he goes, we need to get him replaced...and fast. I will say this, I have never been in favor of the annual switch to 3-4 talk, BUT w/ Rex Ryan floating out there and "tweeners" like Moss and Elvis (who could fit well in a 3-4) playing end for us, now would be the time if it's ever gonna happen. This is not a vote FOR a 3-4, just an observation.

Bronco9798
01-06-2008, 12:58 PM
We will know this week I'm sure.

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 12:03 AM
oh ya and JRWIZ, can you please send a link that shows his ranking in Yards per catch that year, you said he was 11th, and he averaged 20 yards per catch... I highly doubt 10 were better that year, so send a link, i'd appreciate it.... THANKS!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/stats/2004/broncos/

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=AE8C649D91F5698519C546B02 4C36162?archive=false&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&statisticPositionCategory=WIDE_RECEIVER&conference=null&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_AVERAGE_YARDS&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2004&qualified=true&Submit=Find&tabSeq=1&d-447263-p=1

Read and weep..

broncogirl7
01-07-2008, 12:16 AM
Well, it's 12:15am and now officially Monday morning and I can't wait for the news about Bates. There's several people out there that I hope we have our eyes on for potential DC...

TXBRONC
01-07-2008, 12:22 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/stats/2004/broncos/

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=AE8C649D91F5698519C546B02 4C36162?archive=false&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&statisticPositionCategory=WIDE_RECEIVER&conference=null&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_AVERAGE_YARDS&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2004&qualified=true&Submit=Find&tabSeq=1&d-447263-p=1

Read and weep..

You're trying to pull a fast one Jr and it wont work bud. The guys ahead of him didn't qualify for the lead because they ALL had less than 20 catches. Lelie lead the League that's a fact.

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 12:27 AM
obviously you are not getting my point, a guy who has 20 ints with a team is not a "waste of pick" might have been a bad one, but a "waste of pick" is just stupidity..these players that I listed all started multiple years for us and Deltha was way better as a special teams threat then we have now... and please explain how Al Wilson just "contributed" for us and wasnt a 'keeper' like you said Montea Reagor was... i do think Shanahan should step down as gM and consentrate more on the field. But tell me Broncos have had a bad draft these last 3 years Ill call you an idiot. aside from ryan harris last years draft was solid, 2 years ago We drafted a franchise QB and WR as well as a very talented pass rusher and a potential pro bowl TE...


oh ya, as far as the "mikeys wife' comment, no Im no.. I just cant stand ignorance, and when you have to reach and say a 1000 yard rusher who averaged near 5 yards per carry in Denver is a "waste of pick" ill call you out on it, as wll as a reciever who had 1000+ yards off 20 yards PER CATCH that started several years for us... please, think before you type, thanks!

Let me make myself clear LBs are off the table as stated in the post Al was a great MLB just could not tackle, a great hitter in his later years did not wrap up.

I also took the last TWO drafts in account...

2005 with the three CB personally I think was a bust and

most folks on the forums I was at were calling for anyone but Darrent later in the season and then when he was killed was a hero.. Foxworth is IMHO a waste and Paymah has not produced.. BTW Darrent was really picked to be a KR and just happened to take the starting spot away form another loser.. But the original intent was he was talked up as a KR specialist.

So I took that draft out as well his last two SO far have been decent and may be the back bone of this team for a long time.. But I do not believe that mikey was the prime mover on most of these choices in Jays year I think humdinger brought alot to the table for those offensive picks and last year was Bates input..

delta got 4- or 5 of those picks in one game against the chefs Sure he was a great CB when his head was in the game..actually it was 15 while in DEN..

But where is he now.. only started 15 games in the last two years Two count them 2 Picks 75 games started out of 128 in 8 years doth not make him a superstar that you think he is..

http://www.nfl.com/players/delthao'neal/profile?id=ONE066742

Sorry but he was a waste of a #ONE choice

MONTE REAGOR should have been kept in DEN instead of trading him to INDY where he started 95+% of the games he played in over 4 years.. sorry but I think I'd rather of kept him.. The reason we got rid of him was there were to many expensive aging FA vets in front of him.. He started 12 games in his first year in INDY..

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 12:33 AM
You're trying to pull a fast one Jr and it wont work bud. The guys ahead of him didn't qualify for the lead because they ALL had less than 20 catches. Lelie lead the League that's a fact.

Sorry I did not notice the number of catches..

So what is the point he lead the league in YPC, but his YAC sucked so for the most part all he did was run down field and catch the ball and get tackled sounds like the QB did the hard part..

still tied for 20 in TD's

Lets just all hope the clown does not get back to DEN, he left because he did not have the huevos to take the #1 WR job wanted it handed to him..

Watchthemiddle
01-07-2008, 12:38 AM
Sorry I did not notice the number of catches..

So what is the point he lead the league in YPC, but his YAC sucked so for the most part all he did was run down field and catch the ball and get tackled sounds like the QB did the hard part..

still tied for 20 in TD's

Lets just all hope the clown does not get back to DEN, he left because he did not have the huevos to take the #1 WR job wanted it handed to him..

I think all this talk about Lelie possibly coming back to Denver needs to be squashed.

Does anyone really think that a player that falls out of the good graces of Shanny would be welcomed back? Especially a player that whinned so hard that he got his way and was traded out of here.

TXBRONC
01-07-2008, 12:39 AM
Sorry I did not notice the number of catches..

So what is the point he lead the league in YPC, but his YAC sucked so for the most part all he did was run down field and catch the ball and get tackled sounds like the QB did the hard part..

still tied for 20 in TD's

Lets just all hope the clown does not get back to DEN, he left because he did not have the huevos to take the #1 WR job wanted it handed to him..


No his yac was not the point, the point was that Lelie lead the League in ypc and you were trying say he didn't.

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 12:43 AM
You could also list getting rid of Portis, getting Champ, getting BMarsh in the 4th, DJ, Stokes, Cutler, Elvis, and Selvin (not a draft choice, but a great signing) to support Shanny still has some touch left. Trust me, I have REALLY scratched my head at some of the moves he's made, but there have been some great acquisitions as well. And I agree, appears that things are getting better.

I said in my post that he made some great trades, his last couple of drafts have been decent but think he had help with them.

But the 11 before left alot to be desired..

We should have built this team via the cheaper rookies 4-5 year contracts, instead he blew most of those first day picks and had to rely on expensive trades and FAs for his base players...

He did well getting LB's and OLINE guys for the most part but beyond Bmarsh how many WR have really been worth a damn and there have been a ton of them..

TXBRONC
01-07-2008, 12:46 AM
Sorry I did not notice the number of catches..

So what is the point he lead the league in YPC, but his YAC sucked so for the most part all he did was run down field and catch the ball and get tackled sounds like the QB did the hard part..

still tied for 20 in TD's

Lets just all hope the clown does not get back to DEN, he left because he did not have the huevos to take the #1 WR job wanted it handed to him..

Yep right along with Rod Smith. :coffee:

EMB6903
01-07-2008, 01:00 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/stats/2004/broncos/

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=AE8C649D91F5698519C546B02 4C36162?archive=false&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&statisticPositionCategory=WIDE_RECEIVER&conference=null&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_AVERAGE_YARDS&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2004&qualified=true&Submit=Find&tabSeq=1&d-447263-p=1

Read and weep..



Wow... you really know you are reaching when you list players like John stone who had 3 receptions, andre davis who had 16, talman Gardner with 1 reception, oh ya and David Kircus with 3 receptions...while Lelie had over 50 receptions averaging 20 yards a catch... those others dont qualify... thats just FOOLISH

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 01:01 AM
I think all this talk about Lelie possibly coming back to Denver needs to be squashed.

Does anyone really think that a player that falls out of the good graces of Shanny would be welcomed back? Especially a player that whinned so hard that he got his way and was traded out of here.


lets hope mikeys memory is longer than some of the fans is..

MileHighWrath
01-07-2008, 10:12 AM
It's MOnday .... has Bates been fired yet? WTF is taking so long?

underrated29
01-07-2008, 10:17 AM
he's not gonna get fired.


But im with ya. What is taking so long to hear the official word.

Bronco9798
01-07-2008, 10:17 AM
It's MOnday .... has Bates been fired yet? WTF is taking so long?

I'm flying to Denver this morning to talk to him. I'll PM you when I get back. Sorry, I forgot today was Monday.

Davii
01-07-2008, 10:39 AM
Does anyone really think that a player that falls out of the good graces of Shanny would be welcomed back? Especially a player that whinned so hard that he got his way and was traded out of here.

I think there's precidence for it happening. See Todd Sauerbrun.

For the record, I would hate to see Lelie back in Denver. There will be better options without the attitude, bad blood, and crappy skills at anything other than making catches look extremely difficult.

MileHighWrath
01-07-2008, 11:05 AM
I don't know if Bates is getting fired or not but I am 100% certain Ms. Lelie will never wear the Broncos uniform again. Neither will Eddie Quitterson. WTF are you kidding me with this crap?

Davii
01-07-2008, 11:10 AM
I don't know if Bates is getting fired or not but I am 100% certain Ms. Lelie will never wear the Broncos uniform again. Neither will Eddie Quitterson. WTF are you kidding me with this crap?

I think we should trade Javon to whatever prison Maurice Clarret is in for Maurice. I think that would be a good trade. It couldn't be much worse than drafting him in the first place, and certainly not much worse than bring Lelie or Quitterson back would be.

BOSSHOGG30
01-07-2008, 12:59 PM
"Head Coach Mike Shanahan’s season-ending press conference will take place next Thursday, Jan. 10 at 1 p.m. MST. We’ll have video and a live, running blog from the proceedings"

Sounds like it has been postponed until Thursday.

MileHighWrath
01-07-2008, 01:02 PM
"Head Coach Mike Shanahan’s season-ending press conference will take place next Thursday, Jan. 10 at 1 p.m. MST. We’ll have video and a live, running blog from the proceedings"

Sounds like it has been postponed until Thursday.

GRRRRR ... well that tells me he's not making any coaching changes.

BOSSHOGG30
01-07-2008, 01:06 PM
GRRRRR ... well that tells me he's not making any coaching changes.

I think if means the are making some changes. Why delay if you aren't planning something. I wonder if Shanny is making sure he has the right replacement before he fires anyone.

Bronco9798
01-07-2008, 01:08 PM
I'm sure Shanny already has his mind made up on Bates. I'm sure he'll give him another chance, unfortunately.

tubby
01-07-2008, 01:12 PM
Get better players. Our LB's and Saftey's sucked. Probably because of the revolving door at DT.

DenBronx
01-07-2008, 01:15 PM
any news on bates yet?

yardog
01-07-2008, 01:15 PM
"Head Coach Mike Shanahan’s season-ending press conference will take place next Thursday, Jan. 10 at 1 p.m. MST. We’ll have video and a live, running blog from the proceedings"

Sounds like it has been postponed until Thursday.

We dont need to wait on the press conference to fire him. Just have his replacement by then and were good.

Bronco9798
01-07-2008, 01:15 PM
any news on bates yet?

He's still trying to stop the run. Besides that, nothing. :D

MileHighWrath
01-07-2008, 01:17 PM
He's still trying to stop the run. Besides that, nothing. :D

Have they "gelled" yet?

Bronco9798
01-07-2008, 01:18 PM
Have they "gelled" yet?

Don't get me going, MHW!!! You all know how I feel about that over-used, stupid, meaningless word.

yardog
01-07-2008, 01:20 PM
If he don't go he's to another year of GELLEN and no run Def.

MileHighWrath
01-07-2008, 01:26 PM
http://www.coppschool.lancsngfl.ac.uk/Classwork/images/jelly.jpg

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 01:45 PM
I think there's precidence for it happening. See Todd Sauerbrun.

For the record, I would hate to see Lelie back in Denver. There will be better options without the attitude, bad blood, and crappy skills at anything other than making catches look extremely difficult.



That is the best description I have seen of this loser since day one..

EMB6903
01-07-2008, 02:17 PM
Nobody is saying they want Lelie back... atleast im not.. somebody said something ignorant and I had to comment on it, thats all.

LRtagger
01-07-2008, 02:38 PM
Bates should invest in a stockpile of these for the defense next year since they aren't gellin

http://www.drscholls.com/images/product/large/Massaging_Gel_Mens_Insoles.gif



:salute:

dogfish
01-07-2008, 04:12 PM
what the hell does lily have to do with jim bates. . . . ?



:confused:

OB
01-07-2008, 04:16 PM
Is he staying or going - im not reading through 13 pages

BOSSHOGG30
01-07-2008, 04:17 PM
Is he staying or going - im not reading through 13 pages

Then you may never know

Bronco9798
01-07-2008, 04:18 PM
No one knows, but he will probably stay. But then again, why was the press conference pushed back to Thursday?

slim
01-07-2008, 04:19 PM
No one knows, but he will probably stay. But then again, why was the press conference pushed back to Thursday?

It was pushed back until Thursday? Are you sure?

BOSSHOGG30
01-07-2008, 04:20 PM
Is this just any Thursday or are we talking Thirsty Thursday?

Buff
01-07-2008, 04:21 PM
It was pushed back until Thursday? Are you sure?

Yes

Mark Your Calendars …
January 4th, 2008 - 11:20am by Andrew
Head Coach Mike Shanahan’s season-ending press conference will take place next Thursday, Jan. 10 at 1 p.m. MST. We’ll have video and a live, running blog from the proceedings.


http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mason/

MileHighWrath
01-07-2008, 04:53 PM
Well Thursday doesn't work for me ... he'll have to move it up to Wed. I'll send him an email.

dogfish
01-07-2008, 04:55 PM
Well Thursday doesn't work for me ... he'll have to move it up to Wed. I'll send him an email.


while you're at it, tell him to go get corey williams and jordan gross. . . .

SmilinAssasSin27
01-07-2008, 06:11 PM
Yes

Mark Your Calendars …
January 4th, 2008 - 11:20am by Andrew
Head Coach Mike Shanahan’s season-ending press conference will take place next Thursday, Jan. 10 at 1 p.m. MST. We’ll have video and a live, running blog from the proceedings.


http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mason/

WAIT...is it the 4th or the 10th? The 4th isn't a Thursday.

underrated29
01-07-2008, 06:31 PM
yeah thats a problem as january 4th was 3 days ago.

Stand Ablaze
01-07-2008, 06:36 PM
OK, I got my calendar marked for Thursday. Should be interesting or dull. :D

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 06:38 PM
OK, I got my calendar marked for Thursday. Should be interesting or dull. :D


go to Broncos.com and press on last years PC you can listen to it now will be updated with Lepsis leaving but that is probably the only change..

here is 2006 I could not find 2007

Part 1 and two
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=1862&audioID=640&type=audio&year=2007&month=2

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=1862&audioID=641&type=audio&year=2007&month=2

horsepig
01-07-2008, 06:38 PM
heck, lets coax Rob Ryan away from the faiduhs!

MOtorboat
01-07-2008, 06:39 PM
go to Broncos.com and press on last years PC you can listen to it now will be updated with Lepsis leaving but that is probably the only change..

There's nothing there but horses.

frauschieze
01-07-2008, 06:40 PM
There's nothing there but horses.

Are you having a stupid day?

MOtorboat
01-07-2008, 06:41 PM
Are you having a stupid day?

:eek:

No...I typed in www.broncos.com and there were a bunch of horses. No press conferences.

horsepig
01-07-2008, 06:45 PM
heck, lets coax Rob Ryan away from the faiduhs! Lets get Greg Robinson out of the Twlight Zone to be our blitz specialist.

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 06:47 PM
There's nothing there but horses.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=1862&audioID=640&type=audio&year=2007&month=2

frauschieze
01-07-2008, 06:49 PM
:eek:

No...I typed in www.broncos.com and there were a bunch of horses. No press conferences.

So you ARE having a stupid day. Dumb ass.

Broncogator
01-07-2008, 06:55 PM
So you ARE having a stupid day. Dumb ass.

Attacking a defenseless midget........Post Reported:elefant:

MOtorboat
01-07-2008, 07:02 PM
Attacking a defenseless midget........Post Reported:elefant:


So you ARE having a stupid day. Dumb ass.

http://www.seomoz.org/images/upload/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

slim
01-07-2008, 07:07 PM
heck, lets coax Rob Ryan away from the faiduhs!

The raiders had the second worst run defense in the league this year...only slightly better than ours.