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WARHORSE
01-03-2008, 11:50 PM
Im sure this will step on some once thought dead nerves.......:D

But it would really be a great aquisition on our part imo if Javon is dealt or leaves. We simply cannot enter the season with BMarsh, Stokes and no real number three. Stokely first of all, likely wont make it through the season healthy, and to go into it expecting otherwise would be foooolish. And who wants to spend a draft pick on a WR?

Yes, Ashley thought the grass was greener on the other side of the fence, but now that hes walked that path and found nothing but rocks, dirt and dust Im sure he would consider returning to the place hes had his most prolific years. He is faster than Javon, and will stretch the field for us. This is not only his strength, but a need for us with Cutlers arm strength. Threatening the long ball helps open up the defense for us. Ashley never enjoyed that here with Plummers arm.

On top of all that, he will come cheaply, he knows the offense, and he blocks.


Ok. Lets hear the rumblings.

Broncospsycho77
01-03-2008, 11:57 PM
If we gave him a contract he'd probably drop it :D

Bronco4ever
01-04-2008, 12:06 AM
I don't think he's a free agent. Are the Niners planning on releasing him? I wouldn't be against it. Him stretching the field could really help our offense. But if it doesn't happen, I'm probably not going to lose any sleep over it.

broncosfanscott
01-04-2008, 12:14 AM
You have to be carefull what you wish for. It's too bad he was impatient because if he attended camp instead of sitting out in hopes to be the #1 WR things might have worked out for him now that Cutler is playing. If you want to be a top WR then you have to put in the work and he didn't want to do that. Sucks for him.

MOtorboat
01-04-2008, 12:15 AM
This is pretty much the dumbest thing I've read so far this offseason. I love you war, but this is dumb.

mopatt24
01-04-2008, 12:35 AM
Getting a WR that can stretch the field would be a nice fit with Marshall and Stokley, but I'd rather bring in Bernard Berrian to do that, then Ashley Lelie.

Dreadnought
01-04-2008, 12:37 AM
You know what? I actually like it if we could get him cheap - and I'm guessing he won't get a ton of attention from anyone else. He was a good deep threat/big YPC guy. Warhorse makes some sense here, as crazy as it sounds on the surface.

dogfish
01-04-2008, 12:44 AM
*gets popcorn ready, waits for hatemail to flow in*




:popcorn:

UnderArmour
01-04-2008, 01:45 AM
Getting a WR that can stretch the field would be a nice fit with Marshall and Stokley, but I'd rather bring in Bernard Berrian to do that, then Ashley Lelie.

Bernard Berrian drops waaaaaaay too much and I doubt he's a solid blocker. Lelie wouldn't be that bad with a QB that can actually throw the deep ball.

D1g1tal j1m
01-04-2008, 02:16 AM
No.

He short arms his catches whenever a defender is within striking distance. He wanted to be a #1 guy without trying to work for it (unlike Marshall, who by all accounts has earned his #1 status and looks to be even better next year).

Stargazer
01-04-2008, 02:28 AM
Im sure this will step on some once thought dead nerves.......:D

But it would really be a great aquisition on our part imo if Javon is dealt or leaves. We simply cannot enter the season with BMarsh, Stokes and no real number three. Stokely first of all, likely wont make it through the season healthy, and to go into it expecting otherwise would be foooolish. And who wants to spend a draft pick on a WR?

Yes, Ashley thought the grass was greener on the other side of the fence, but now that hes walked that path and found nothing but rocks, dirt and dust Im sure he would consider returning to the place hes had his most prolific years. He is faster than Javon, and will stretch the field for us. This is not only his strength, but a need for us with Cutlers arm strength. Threatening the long ball helps open up the defense for us. Ashley never enjoyed that here with Plummers arm.

On top of all that, he will come cheaply, he knows the offense, and he blocks.


Ok. Lets hear the rumblings.


How do you propose we bring him back? He's in the middle of a two year deal.

SoCoPoCo
01-04-2008, 04:36 AM
I was honestly thinking about this when news broke of JW's desires to possibly change address.

1. His value is way less now than it was two years ago when we were shopping him - he's caught a grand total of 38 balls over the past two seasons;

2. Now that Brandon Marshall is an undeniable WEAPON on offense, Lelie's role would be much different than it was when he was here ago - and Cutler can actually put the ball in to places Jake never dreamed of.

If he becomes available - I wouldn't be upset if we signed him to a low, incentive-laden deal. Question is whether or not he has had a change of heart and has seen that he is not the #1 he thought he was.

WARHORSE
01-04-2008, 05:28 AM
This is pretty much the dumbest thing I've read so far this offseason. I love you war, but this is dumb.


Hey dont sweat it. I knew there would be detractors when i posted it.


Lelie may be under contract now, but will he even make the roster at SF?

Alex Smith is a system QB, and that would need to be a short yardage system at that, cause hes no long ball thrower.

I havent heard Lelies name all year.

Bringin in someone else, unless its a real vet, will make you have to wait for them to learn the offense. Lelie brings that to the table, and its a valuable thing to have in a sophisticated offense like ours.

SR
01-04-2008, 06:10 AM
Hell, if we're going to bring back Lelie, we might as well bring back Eddie Quitterson.

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 06:30 AM
Hey dont sweat it. I knew there would be detractors when i posted it.


Lelie may be under contract now, but will he even make the roster at SF?

Alex Smith is a system QB, and that would need to be a short yardage system at that, cause hes no long ball thrower.

I havent heard Lelies name all year.

Bringin in someone else, unless its a real vet, will make you have to wait for them to learn the offense. Lelie brings that to the table, and its a valuable thing to have in a sophisticated offense like ours.

But WH, there's a reason you never heard his name. Every team he plays for has no confidence in him. He's soft...

BaiLeY324
01-04-2008, 07:37 AM
Wouldn't mind it...

TXBRONC
01-04-2008, 08:04 AM
This is pretty much the dumbest thing I've read so far this off season. I love you war, but this is dumb.

Ah it's not dumb as much as it is not doable.

Broncolingus
01-04-2008, 08:36 AM
If we gave him a contract he'd probably drop it :D

Good one...

Bronco9798
01-04-2008, 08:55 AM
I'm not sure his feminine hands could hold Cutlers balls. :noidea:

Broncolingus
01-04-2008, 09:00 AM
I'm not sure his feminine hands could hold Cutlers balls. :noidea:

Nice......

Scarface
01-04-2008, 09:34 AM
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jrelway
01-04-2008, 10:15 AM
we're trying to make some moves in the offseason. I said "moves" not mistakes..what would it say about our ball club if we bring that chicken soft pink taco back to denver. screw that kennison clone and lets look elsewhere. we dont need one trick ponies here.

worse thread ever!!

DenBronx
01-04-2008, 01:57 PM
Im sure this will step on some once thought dead nerves.......:D

But it would really be a great aquisition on our part imo if Javon is dealt or leaves. We simply cannot enter the season with BMarsh, Stokes and no real number three. Stokely first of all, likely wont make it through the season healthy, and to go into it expecting otherwise would be foooolish. And who wants to spend a draft pick on a WR?

Yes, Ashley thought the grass was greener on the other side of the fence, but now that hes walked that path and found nothing but rocks, dirt and dust Im sure he would consider returning to the place hes had his most prolific years. He is faster than Javon, and will stretch the field for us. This is not only his strength, but a need for us with Cutlers arm strength. Threatening the long ball helps open up the defense for us. Ashley never enjoyed that here with Plummers arm.

On top of all that, he will come cheaply, he knows the offense, and he blocks.


Ok. Lets hear the rumblings.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k272/DenBronx/ThisThreadSucks.jpg

Italianmobstr7
01-04-2008, 01:58 PM
No thanks to Lelie...

studbucket
01-04-2008, 02:12 PM
I really don't think it's that bad of an idea if he can be a 3rd or 4th WR here. He will definitely get more play in Denver than in SF, and due to his plight since leaving, I don't think he will complain much as long as he is on the roster.

Dreadnought
01-04-2008, 02:20 PM
we're trying to make some moves in the offseason. I said "moves" not mistakes..what would it say about our ball club if we bring that chicken soft pink taco back to denver. screw that kennison clone and lets look elsewhere. we dont need one trick ponies here.

worse thread ever!!

I'm sensing you don't like Lelie? Neither do I, but about now I like JW even less, and he'd be worth a gamble IF and only IF we got him dirt cheap with an incentive laden contract. The guy has a ton of talent, just not much work ethic or (dare I say) courage? Maybe he works on that...

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 02:29 PM
Lelie? Come on....

HolyDiver
01-04-2008, 02:40 PM
Plenty of Receivers in this draft............How about the kid from ASU? ............Great hands, seems to run good routes.........can't think of his name.

HolyDiver
01-04-2008, 02:44 PM
Never mind, he's a Sophmore.

13 Chris McGaha WR 6'1" 189 So Phoenix, AZ

But there are many like this available...........Marshall was a 4th rounder. So, I'm sure we can find a Receiver in this draft.

Ricky
01-04-2008, 03:11 PM
Why not send Walker to San Fran for Ashley and their 2nd round pick? Then pick up a quality O-Lineman with that pick.

BOSSHOGG30
01-04-2008, 03:33 PM
The Official Bring Back Ashley Thread

Can I have herpes instead?

Atabronc
01-04-2008, 03:50 PM
Please. Have you ever seen the guy try to sell a route? There are high school kids with 4.3 speed who can run in a straight line. Why would we waste a perfectly good roster spot on a clown like Lelie?

Italianmobstr7
01-04-2008, 05:13 PM
Why not send Walker to San Fran for Ashley and their 2nd round pick? Then pick up a quality O-Lineman with that pick.

Cuz no one is going to give up a 2nd round pick for an injury prone cry baby receiver....

Ricky
01-04-2008, 05:15 PM
Cuz no one is going to give up a 2nd round pick for an injury prone cry baby receiver....

The Broncos did!

Italianmobstr7
01-04-2008, 06:06 PM
The Broncos did!

yes after 1 injury....now it's 2 years later, and he still can't stay healthy. Lets not be ignorant about it. Things were different then than they are now. Everyone here knows deep down, that there is NO WAY we are getting a 2nd round pick for Javon...

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-04-2008, 09:49 PM
Im on the bring back lelie train!

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-04-2008, 09:50 PM
The Broncos did!

Yeah nobody else will, Javon can probably land us a middle or late 3rd round pick. Nothing more.

Watchthemiddle
01-04-2008, 10:56 PM
If we gave him a contract he'd probably drop it :D

Or fall down with the contract in his hand after not being touched.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 12:26 AM
If we gave him a contract he'd probably drop it :D

Only if it was an easy pass over the middle!!!!!!!


This is pretty much the dumbest thing I've read so far this off season. I love you war, but this is dumb.

DITTO!!!


No.

He short arms his catches whenever a defender is within striking distance. He wanted to be a #1 guy without trying to work for it (unlike Marshall, who by all accounts has earned his #1 status and looks to be even better next year).


The guy is a pansy makes great leaping unbelievable catches and almost immediately falls down or out of bounds.. I really think he is a afraid of taking a hit..

He never caught a pass over the middle that I can remember and if he did there certainly were very few of them.

His blocking was finally passable in his last year here, before that forget it..

His YAC sucked and his YPC was on the moon.. Sounds to me like the QB was doing all the work..

He wanted the #1 slot as mentioned above without TAKING IT..

He weaseled on his story line when he whined to the reporter about not being (for lack of a better term) taken seriously and then back tracked on his story. sorry this kid is a weasel.. He was great in college when he had nobodies playing defense against him in the WAC, He made everyone look bad ran wild against UTEP , had a few hundreds yards and several TD's against them..


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NO

but




HELL

NO..

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 12:29 AM
Please. Have you ever seen the guy try to sell a route? There are high school kids with 4.3 speed who can run in a straight line. Why would we waste a perfectly good roster spot on a clown like Lelie?

He has great speed once he gets up to it he is a long strider and if he gets nudged he is back to unwarp speed for several strides..

Your correct he is a clown and if he can't make it in ATL and SFO why waste a spot on him..

Maybe he would come back and work for free? Maybe then after all he did not earn the money he got here the first time..

WARHORSE
01-05-2008, 03:55 AM
Some of you guys got short memories. When the dude played for us he had the highest per catch average in the league. There was a reason Shanny kept inviting him back, make no mistake.

Lets say whats truth: Hes not physical, he wont fight for the ball, he wont catch in traffic, he wont go over the middle, hes not a redzone threat, and hes scared to get tackled.


Tell me something I dont know. I could write the same thing about Randy Moss, and if you want to compare production, just look at Moss' numbers until he got with New England.

What does that tell you? Moss was dynamic in Minnesota for a while until he no longer had Chris Carter and Reed to keep the pressure off him. Once he got to New England, teams see Welker eating them ALIVE underneath with the occasional pass to Stallworth because theyre double teaming Moss once he started snackin on those bombs from Brady. Its called pick your poison.

Its the SAME issue here, its just some of you dont realize it. Lelie has sucked where hes at cause no one else in Atlanta or San Fran that plays WR thats a threat. In 2004, there was a number one WR on our team who had 79 catches for 1,144 yards and 7 scores on the opposite side of Lelie. There was a QB who threw for over 4000 yards. And Lelie had 54 catches for 1084 yards and 7 TDs. Every one of them on a deep route.


If Lelie comes here with Stokely, Scheffler and Brandon Marshall, he could very well challenge for league leader in ypc again, and will take 5 to the house on Cutlers arm alone, with one play taped to his forearm: Go long.


If you understand football..........you'll know what Im talkin about.
Lelie officially ran a 4.29 forty here in Hawaii, more than once.

Outside his rookie year with us, he averaged 15.9, 17.8 and 20.1 ypc.
He had 15 receptions this year for 115 yards. He barely covered the length of the field the entire year.
In Altlanta he had 28 receptions for 430 yards.

Shanahan knows what to do with Lelie, especially with Cutler under center.
So do I.


(my, my those nerves have come to life, eh? :D)

Scarface
01-05-2008, 10:43 AM
Why not send Walker to San Fran for Ashley and their 2nd round pick? Then pick up a quality O-Lineman with that pick.

I like the 2nd rd pick part. Actually the Niners should be all over guys like Walker and Chad Johnson. They have terrible WRs and need playmakers in the worst way. They could be potential trading partners.

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 02:03 PM
Some of you guys got short memories. When the dude played for us he had the highest per catch average in the league. There was a reason Shanny kept inviting him back, make no mistake.

Lets say whats truth: Hes not physical, he wont fight for the ball, he wont catch in traffic, he wont go over the middle, hes not a redzone threat, and hes scared to get tackled.


Tell me something I dont know. I could write the same thing about Randy Moss, and if you want to compare production, just look at Moss' numbers until he got with New England.

What does that tell you? Moss was dynamic in Minnesota for a while until he no longer had Chris Carter and Reed to keep the pressure off him. Once he got to New England, teams see Welker eating them ALIVE underneath with the occasional pass to Stallworth because theyre double teaming Moss once he started snackin on those bombs from Brady. Its called pick your poison.

Its the SAME issue here, its just some of you dont realize it. Lelie has sucked where hes at cause no one else in Atlanta or San Fran that plays WR thats a threat. In 2004, there was a number one WR on our team who had 79 catches for 1,144 yards and 7 scores on the opposite side of Lelie. There was a QB who threw for over 4000 yards. And Lelie had 54 catches for 1084 yards and 7 TDs. Every one of them on a deep route.


If Lelie comes here with Stokely, Scheffler and Brandon Marshall, he could very well challenge for league leader in ypc again, and will take 5 to the house on Cutlers arm alone, with one play taped to his forearm: Go long.


If you understand football..........you'll know what Im talkin about.
Lelie officially ran a 4.29 forty here in Hawaii, more than once.

Outside his rookie year with us, he averaged 15.9, 17.8 and 20.1 ypc.
He had 15 receptions this year for 115 yards. He barely covered the length of the field the entire year.
In Altlanta he had 28 receptions for 430 yards.

Shanahan knows what to do with Lelie, especially with Cutler under center.
So do I.


(my, my those nerves have come to life, eh? :D)

Your correct in most things above. Overall ashley is a field stretcher and could make the passing game better for everyone else.. BUT the only TD's he would get are those he catehs in the end zone from 40+ yards out.. His yac sucked in DEN

2002 2.8 Rod 4.1
2003 3.5 Rod 4.4
2004 3.6 Rod 5.0
2005 4.8 Rod 5.0
avg. 3.7 Rod 4.67

2006 2.5 ATL Jaywalk 5.1
2007 2.2 SFO Marsh 5.0

why is because he will not catch over the middle nor make a catch with out falling to the turf or out of bounds.. He is IMO a sissy afraid to take a hit..

Lonestar
01-05-2008, 02:04 PM
I like the 2nd rd pick part. Actually the Niners should be all over guys like Walker and Chad Johnson. They have terrible WRs and need playmakers in the worst way. They could be potential trading partners.


we could only dream

TXBRONC
01-05-2008, 02:53 PM
Im sure this will step on some once thought dead nerves.......:D

But it would really be a great aquisition on our part imo if Javon is dealt or leaves. We simply cannot enter the season with BMarsh, Stokes and no real number three. Stokely first of all, likely wont make it through the season healthy, and to go into it expecting otherwise would be foooolish. And who wants to spend a draft pick on a WR?

Yes, Ashley thought the grass was greener on the other side of the fence, but now that hes walked that path and found nothing but rocks, dirt and dust Im sure he would consider returning to the place hes had his most prolific years. He is faster than Javon, and will stretch the field for us. This is not only his strength, but a need for us with Cutlers arm strength. Threatening the long ball helps open up the defense for us. Ashley never enjoyed that here with Plummers arm.

On top of all that, he will come cheaply, he knows the offense, and he blocks.


Ok. Lets hear the rumblings.


I think he's still employed by the 49ers. I like the kid but I wouldn't want to bring him back at the price of a draft pick.

WARHORSE
01-05-2008, 11:36 PM
I think he's still employed by the 49ers. I like the kid but I wouldn't want to bring him back at the price of a draft pick.


We arent talkin about a trade here. We're talkin about why would he be on their roster next year?

10 catches for 115 yards?

WARHORSE
01-05-2008, 11:43 PM
Your correct in most things above. Overall ashley is a field stretcher and could make the passing game better for everyone else.. BUT the only TD's he would get are those he catehs in the end zone from 40+ yards out.. His yac sucked in DEN

2002 2.8 Rod 4.1
2003 3.5 Rod 4.4
2004 3.6 Rod 5.0
2005 4.8 Rod 5.0
avg. 3.7 Rod 4.67

2006 2.5 ATL Jaywalk 5.1
2007 2.2 SFO Marsh 5.0

why is because he will not catch over the middle nor make a catch with out falling to the turf or out of bounds.. He is IMO a sissy afraid to take a hit..


Like I said, bring him back.

As I remember, he usually had to come back for the ball, then got tackled. If he didnt, he went on to the endzone or was in the endzone when he caught the ball. He caught 7 TDs from Jake. Check out how many WRs caught 7 TDs this year.

We dont need another Bmarsh. That would cost us millions. We just need a cheap one trick pony that can go long with some heat.

He would only help us, nasty taste in our mouths aside.:tsk:

WRs that caught 7 TDs this year:

Tory Holt
Steve Smith
Hines Ward
Brandon Marshall
Patrick Crayton

There were 18 WRs that caught more.

Lonestar
01-06-2008, 02:06 AM
Like I said, bring him back.

As I remember, he usually had to come back for the ball, then got tackled. If he didnt, he went on to the endzone or was in the endzone when he caught the ball. He caught 7 TDs from Jake. Check out how many WRs caught 7 TDs this year.

We dont need another Bmarsh. That would cost us millions. We just need a cheap one trick pony that can go long with some heat.

He would only help us, nasty taste in our mouths aside.:tsk:

WRs that caught 7 TDs this year:

Tory Holt
Steve Smith
Hines Ward
Brandon Marshall
Patrick Crayton

There were 18 WRs that caught more.

That means he was number 18 or more from being the top producer for the most part he did not run with the ball after catching it.. Period.. had less than 200 yard YAC on 54 catches

60 less than Hines Ward
257 less than Smith
307 less than Brandon

Hmm sounds like Jake was doing all the work..

ashley is a loser was then is now..

Simple Jaded
01-06-2008, 02:25 AM
I did a search for "The Official Ashley Lelie Would Rather Drink Turpentine And Wizz On A Brush Fire Than Come Back To The Broncos" thread, but found no results......Odd?......

Watchthemiddle
01-06-2008, 03:17 AM
I did a search for "The Official Ashley Lelie Would Rather Drink Turpentine And Wizz On A Brush Fire Than Come Back To The Broncos" thread, but found no results......Odd?......

I thought I saw that thread while looking for the "Shanahan would never bring back a disgruntled player that disagreed with him in public" thread...:confused:

AgentOrange
01-06-2008, 02:46 PM
I dunno War. I see your point where he could help with the long ball, and by taking some heat away from Bmarsh. However, getting down the field isn't one of our weaker points. Getting touchdowns inside the redzone is. I'm hoping the Broncs concentrate on making progress in tough yardage situations.

Red zone TDs are a much bigger issue than adding a single receiver. It's something which, among other things, may include changing the O-line philosophy. But Lelie had his chance in Denver and blew it. Seems like whenever we bring someone back who's had issues with the team in the past just results in the same old problems reoccurring.

weazel
01-06-2008, 07:16 PM
get rid of one baby and bring in another?

I'd rather have Kevin Kasper or Herb Haygood than Lelie, they sucked, but so does Lelie! Why would you want a WR that doesnt know how to catch?

TXBRONC
01-06-2008, 09:18 PM
get rid of one baby and bring in another?

I'd rather have Kevin Kasper or Herb Haygood than Lelie, they sucked, but so does Lelie! Why would you want a WR that doesnt know how to catch?

Lelie didn't have problems hanging on to the ball.

weazel
01-06-2008, 10:33 PM
Lelie didn't have problems hanging on to the ball.


just in Atlanta

TXBRONC
01-06-2008, 10:37 PM
just in Atlanta

I lost track of him after he left Denver so I will take your word for it. What I'm saying is that in Denver I don't recall him having a lot problems with dropping the ball.

Stats
01-06-2008, 10:44 PM
If all you want is someone fast who can run down field and catch deep balls, go get someone like Matt Jones. Hell most likely get cut soon, or could be aquired for a late round pick.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
01-06-2008, 10:57 PM
Ewwwww Matt Jones??? Bring Lelie he back. He was my guy in Denver untill he got big headed. But he officially hit ROCK BOTTOM. His Ego has been shot down. He hould be humble again/ Him deep with Cutlers arm would rock. Lelie had to slow down so many times with Plummer throwing him the ball or he would have scored alot more times. Please Shanny bring in another Portis **Jamaal Charles** who can take 20-30-40-50-60-70 yards runs to the house with one cut. Sheesh i miss that guy.

Bronco9798
01-06-2008, 11:06 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Khouck001/IMG_0362.jpg

TXBRONC
01-06-2008, 11:29 PM
If all you want is someone fast who can run down field and catch deep balls, go get someone like Matt Jones. Hell most likely get cut soon, or could be aquired for a late round pick.

He seems to still be way to much of a project.

Lonestar
01-06-2008, 11:51 PM
He seems to still be way to much of a project.


But then again we have alot of them going right now also.. One more probably would not kill us..

TXBRONC
01-07-2008, 12:15 AM
But then again we have alot of them going right now also.. One more probably would not kill us..

I don't think it would be helpful.

MileHighWrath
01-07-2008, 11:08 AM
WWHHAAAAAA I should be the #1 receiver, WHHAAAAA I shouldn't have to compete for a job, WHAAAAA I can't believe they brought in Javon, WWAAAAA I should be the goto guy.

Let me get this straight, this is the guy you want to bring back? WTF are you kidding me with this crap?

Eddie Quitterson isn't coming back either, get over it, Ms. Lelie is gone and GOOD RIDDANCE.

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 03:59 PM
WWHHAAAAAA I should be the #1 receiver, WHHAAAAA I shouldn't have to compete for a job, WHAAAAA I can't believe they brought in Javon, WWAAAAA I should be the goto guy.

Let me get this straight, this is the guy you want to bring back? WTF are you kidding me with this crap?

Eddie Quitterson isn't coming back either, get over it, Ms. Lelie is gone and GOOD RIDDANCE.


Amen Brother your preaching to MOST of the choir, there are only a few ashley lovers around.. God only knows why..

Oh I forgot he is fast..But if that is all one can do he is of ZERO value to a pretty complete team on Offense..

WARHORSE
01-07-2008, 04:53 PM
I did a search for "The Official Ashley Lelie Would Rather Drink Turpentine And Wizz On A Brush Fire Than Come Back To The Broncos" thread, but found no results......Odd?......


Classic!

lol!

WARHORSE
01-07-2008, 05:02 PM
I dunno War. I see your point where he could help with the long ball, and by taking some heat away from Bmarsh. However, getting down the field isn't one of our weaker points. Getting touchdowns inside the redzone is. I'm hoping the Broncs concentrate on making progress in tough yardage situations.

Red zone TDs are a much bigger issue than adding a single receiver. It's something which, among other things, may include changing the O-line philosophy. But Lelie had his chance in Denver and blew it. Seems like whenever we bring someone back who's had issues with the team in the past just results in the same old problems reoccurring.


Understood.

I bring up Lelie AO because his speed is sub 4.3, he knows our offense, and because he would be DIRT cheap. Everything we need in this offseason of many needs. We obviously wont be able to buy top notch players in every need position on the team. So Lelie is an option that not only fits, but leaves us a ton of room to do more in other areas.

As far as the redzone? Its about running the ball. We cannot run the ball over 31 other teams goaline defenses. Thats mainly (imo)because we arent strong enough on the Oline. We cant get a two yard push out of our Oline against anyone. Teams play us heavy over the fullback, TE and Brandon. Those are our threats in the redzone. Running it up the gut or off tackle? Not in Denver. Not this year.


Scheffler is a legit redzone threat. Brandon is becoming one and has vowed to work on it this offseason. But our biggest problem in the redzone is our rungame.

My opium of course.
:coffee:

Bronco9798
01-07-2008, 05:18 PM
Renaldo Nehemiah was fast too.

Lonestar
01-07-2008, 05:24 PM
Understood.

I bring up Lelie AO because his speed is sub 4.3, he knows our offense, and because he would be DIRT cheap. Everything we need in this offseason of many needs. We obviously wont be able to buy top notch players in every need position on the team. So Lelie is an option that not only fits, but leaves us a ton of room to do more in other areas.

As far as the redzone? Its about running the ball. We cannot run the ball over 31 other teams goaline defenses. Thats mainly (imo)because we arent strong enough on the Oline. We cant get a two yard push out of our Oline against anyone. Teams play us heavy over the fullback, TE and Brandon. Those are our threats in the redzone. Running it up the gut or off tackle? Not in Denver. Not this year.


Scheffler is a legit redzone threat. Brandon is becoming one and has vowed to work on it this offseason. But our biggest problem in the redzone is our rungame.

My opium of course.
:coffee:

It has not been for many years almost all of the inside the 5 running TD's come form smoke and mirrors although Mike did pretty good last years.. Probably more from the defense being surprised we would try it, than our ability to move the pile..

weazel
01-07-2008, 09:23 PM
bring back Darius Watts and Bobby Humphrey!

broncosfanscott
01-07-2008, 10:11 PM
WWHHAAAAAA I should be the #1 receiver, WHHAAAAA I shouldn't have to compete for a job, WHAAAAA I can't believe they brought in Javon, WWAAAAA I should be the goto guy.

Let me get this straight, this is the guy you want to bring back? WTF are you kidding me with this crap?

Eddie Quitterson isn't coming back either, get over it, Ms. Lelie is gone and GOOD RIDDANCE.

Amen to that. :salute:

WARHORSE
01-08-2008, 05:32 PM
Lelies ability is proven here. He is a 1000 yard WR with Jake Plummers arm at the helm, and a proven, healthy number one on the other side.

Cutlers armstrength is substantial over Lelie, and on innumerable occasions I can recall Lelie stopping his route to wait on a pass. That speed will be more of a factor with a longer arm and with the right coach.

Scold the thought, but the facts are there.

Denver didnt want him to leave. Theres a reason.

Lonestar
01-08-2008, 05:37 PM
Lelies ability is proven here. He is a 1000 yard WR with Jake Plummers arm at the helm, and a proven, healthy number one on the other side.

Cutlers arm strength is substantial over Lelie, and on innumerable occasions I can recall Lelie stopping his route to wait on a pass. That speed will be more of a factor with a longer arm and with the right coach.

Scold the thought, but the facts are there.

Denver didnt want him to leave. Theres a reason.

He was a one year wonder.. when everyone was a 1000 yard receiver.. BFD

or at least 18 others did..

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=F362872654A8C4C6E0D78D98B 6B55935?archive=false&seasonType=REG&statisticPositionCategory=WIDE_RECEIVER&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_YARDS&experience=null&d-447263-n=1&season=2004&Submit=Find&qualified=true&tabSeq=1&d-447263-p=1

WARHORSE
01-08-2008, 07:51 PM
He was a one year wonder.. when everyone was a 1000 yard receiver.. BFD

or at least 18 others did..




The Broncos thought he was a big deal. Thats why they wanted him back even after he said what he did. Shanahan did not want to trade Lelie.

One year wonder? Nope. Understand football dude. Rod Smiths last season of playing was pitiful compared to what he could do healthy. After Lelies big season of longballs, teams kept the S over the top or forced him short for most of the year. You can do that when theres no WR threat on the other side.

No Rod? No threat. No longball to Lelie.

Lelies skillset would be a valuable cheap asset if Javon leaves. If not, no need.

MileHighWrath
01-08-2008, 09:25 PM
The Broncos thought he was a big deal. Thats why they wanted him back even after he said what he did. Shanahan did not want to trade Lelie.

One year wonder? Nope. Understand football dude. Rod Smiths last season of playing was pitiful compared to what he could do healthy. After Lelies big season of longballs, teams kept the S over the top or forced him short for most of the year. You can do that when theres no WR threat on the other side.

No Rod? No threat. No longball to Lelie.

Lelies skillset would be a valuable cheap asset if Javon leaves. If not, no need.

Pardon my initial reaction War, (though I won't take it back) I agree with this assessment. I believe Javon will be a Bronco next year unless he's a salary cap victim. If he is removed, however, a Lelie type WR would be great, maybe even the whiny ***** herself. Maybe she's grown up a little since the tantrum. Someone with speed that can stretch the field opposite Marsh would be awesome. I just hope it's Javon, not Ashley.

Lonestar
01-08-2008, 11:54 PM
The Broncos thought he was a big deal. Thats why they wanted him back even after he said what he did. Shanahan did not want to trade Lelie.

One year wonder? Nope. Understand football dude. Rod Smiths last season of playing was pitiful compared to what he could do healthy. After Lelies big season of longballs, teams kept the S over the top or forced him short for most of the year. You can do that when theres no WR threat on the other side.

No Rod? No threat. No longball to Lelie.

Lelies skillset would be a valuable cheap asset if Javon leaves. If not, no need.

the only reason he got the 1000K was the ROE crap about not being able to touch a WR. He is flash and not substance.. He never made a decent catch that was not a circus catch and almost always hit the ground or went out of bounds the clown was a sissy afraid to take a hit..

Believe what you want but ashley only had one thing mikey wanted that was speed. He never developed into a real WR he had no balls over the middle and that is a literal meaning. long and fast rarely caught a short pass because he could not get separation he was a long strider.. Only able to get it after 15 yards or so when he got up to speed.

Sorry ashley was/is a wuss. He should have went out for track.. an non contact sport..

Did mikey want to keep him? Perhaps, they had money invest in the queen and if for no other reason to save face for making just another lousy DAFT choice..

WARHORSE
01-09-2008, 02:05 AM
Pardon my initial reaction War, (though I won't take it back) I agree with this assessment. I believe Javon will be a Bronco next year unless he's a salary cap victim. If he is removed, however, a Lelie type WR would be great, maybe even the whiny ***** herself. Maybe she's grown up a little since the tantrum. Someone with speed that can stretch the field opposite Marsh would be awesome. I just hope it's Javon, not Ashley.


Me too.:beer:

WARHORSE
01-09-2008, 02:14 AM
the only reason he got the 1000K was the ROE crap about not being able to touch a WR. He is flash and not substance.. He never made a decent catch that was not a circus catch and almost always hit the ground or went out of bounds the clown was a sissy afraid to take a hit..

Believe what you want but ashley only had one thing mikey wanted that was speed. He never developed into a real WR he had no balls over the middle and that is a literal meaning. long and fast rarely caught a short pass because he could not get separation he was a long strider.. Only able to get it after 15 yards or so when he got up to speed.

Sorry ashley was/is a wuss. He should have went out for track.. an non contact sport..

Did mikey want to keep him? Perhaps, they had money invest in the queen and if for no other reason to save face for making just another lousy DAFT choice..

Save face when hes tryin to leave? I would think that if he didnt really want Lelie there, Lelie was giving him an out. Shanny wanted him back for every reason I stated.

Other than that, you've explained that Lelie is what I too said he is. I just realize that he would fit here, and would be a beneficial pickup in our circumstance should Javon leave. I started this thread because of Javons crying.

I know exactly what kind of WR Lelie is. Thats why I think he would be a good pickup on the cheaps if Javon leaves. We take what we get for Javon, and put it towards Dline or Oline. Wait for the 9ers to drop Lelie........and they will ESPECIALLY now that Martz is there.........and pick him up.

Lelie will not be with the Niners very long once Martz gets a look at him, if he wants to look at him at all.

He simply is not a fit for Martz offense.

But he is for ours.