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Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
12-28-2007, 07:22 PM
These players all leaving due to trades or just cuts? Javon Walker, Travis Henry, Dre Bly, Ian Gold, John Lynch. And last but not least Shanny leaving Denver? Me personally i think we should trade Javon Walker while he has trade value for about a 3rd round pick, I think we should trade Travis Henry for to a team that needs a back for a late 3rd round pick or early 4th, I think we can get a 2nd round pick for Dre Bly from a desperate team who needs a good veteran corner. Ian Gold probably has zero trade value outside of a team who runs a cover 2, John Lynch is just trash now he should retire this off season. Shanny......Im tired of Shanny and the jacked up play calling and putting players in positions they cant have success in. Great coach in the past but an average coach in these days, Cant motivate the new generation of players for some reason.

claymore
12-28-2007, 07:24 PM
I think the only player we need to get rid of that has any trade Value is Javon Walker. Maybe a 3rd? Randy Moss got a 4th though........... Without an injury.........

Stand Ablaze
12-28-2007, 07:27 PM
So is this a fire Shanahan thread? :rolleyes:

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
12-28-2007, 07:28 PM
I think the only player we need to get rid of that has any trade Value is Javon Walker. Maybe a 3rd? Randy Moss got a 4th though........... Without an injury.........

Your right, But Randy Moss was labeled a quitter and a bad team mate or what not, I guess that had something to do with it? I dont know, But Javon is a good wide out. Look around though........Teams like Philly and Tenn should be willing to give up something for a veteran wide out that they know can play. Maybe im just being a homer.

Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal
12-28-2007, 07:29 PM
So is this a fire Shanahan thread? :rolleyes:

Nah just adressing some players that could leave, And a coach that should leave.

Tned
12-28-2007, 07:37 PM
These players all leaving due to trades or just cuts? Javon Walker, Travis Henry, Dre Bly, Ian Gold, John Lynch. And last but not least Shanny leaving Denver? Me personally i think we should trade Javon Walker while he has trade value for about a 3rd round pick, I think we should trade Travis Henry for to a team that needs a back for a late 3rd round pick or early 4th, I think we can get a 2nd round pick for Dre Bly from a desperate team who needs a good veteran corner. Ian Gold probably has zero trade value outside of a team who runs a cover 2, John Lynch is just trash now he should retire this off season. Shanny......Im tired of Shanny and the jacked up play calling and putting players in positions they cant have success in. Great coach in the past but an average coach in these days, Cant motivate the new generation of players for some reason.

I think Javon will have limited trade value because of the knee, and that his contract includes a roster bonus (4 or 6 millinion) that we or the team he goes to has to pay, unless he renegotiates.

Henry's contract is such that trading or releasing him is out of the question. If he is traded or released, by my calculations, he will count $10 million against the cap (maybe a little less if traded and someone picks up the remainging $3 million of guaranteed money), vs. only about $2.5 million to have him on the roster next year.

I'm not as low on Gold as many, and think his replacement could be far worse, so I am kind of indifferent.

I think it would be pushing it to get a 2nd for Bly, considering we traded a backup OL and backup RB for him.

Tned
12-28-2007, 07:38 PM
Nah just adressing some players that could leave, And a coach that should leave.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

HolyDiver
12-28-2007, 08:05 PM
Trade Henry..............Selvin Young is 5 years younger and makes the minimum. We should be able to get a 3rd round pick for him...............Use Gold as a way to move up a few spots in the later rounds.............Maybe package him with one of our 4th's to move up to a high 4th or something like that. ........... Walker and Marshall together wil be unstoppable........You guys need to give Javon a chance to heal................Keep Bly, you know, if we sign guys and then next year trade them, alot of free agents may think twice about signing with the Broncos. ......................My key to success next season would go as follows..................Draft Larinitis..............and in the 2nd round the best available DT................Try like hell to trade up to the third to draft Silva.............Craig Stetlz too is possible.........both Safties by the way............And then fire Bates AND Humerdinger.................Hire Ken Norton Jr as our DC ( a younger Defensive philosophy that can fire up the younger Defensive players we've aquired in the past two years..............Maybe look for Jim Fossel as our OC................ Put Dennison back to coach the Offensive line only. Talk Lynch into becoming a player coach and then in 2009 becoming the DB assistant coach. ................Hire a QB coach to work on cutlers machanics. He throws off his back foot too much.

lex
12-28-2007, 08:12 PM
Trade Henry..............Selvin Young is 5 years younger and makes the minimum. We should be able to get a 3rd round pick for him...............Use Gold as a way to move up a few spots in the later rounds.............Maybe package him with one of our 4th's to move up to a high 4th or something like that. ........... Walker and Marshall together wil be unstoppable........You guys need to give Javon a chance to heal................Keep Bly, you know, if we sign guys and then next year trade them, alot of free agents may think twice about signing with the Broncos. ......................My key to success next season would go as follows..................Draft Larinitis..............and in the 2nd round the best available DT................Try like hell to trade up to the third to draft Silva.............Craig Stetlz too is possible.........both Safties by the way............And then fire Bates AND Humerdinger.................Hire Ken Norton Jr as our DC ( a younger Defensive philosophy that can fire up the younger Defensive players we've aquired in the past two years..............Maybe look for Jim Fossel as our OC................ Put Dennison back to coach the Offensive line only. Talk Lynch into becoming a player coach and then in 2009 becoming the DB assistant coach. ................Hire a QB coach to work on cutlers machanics. He throws off his back foot too much.

Really annoying...................to read.................this is.

Brand
12-28-2007, 08:15 PM
Wait.

You would like to see Dennison coaching he Oline? HA!!!

Walker will heal. The Oline nmeeds just an OT. The D needs LB, DT, S.

TXBRONC
12-28-2007, 08:19 PM
These players all leaving due to trades or just cuts? Javon Walker, Travis Henry, Dre Bly, Ian Gold, John Lynch. And last but not least Shanny leaving Denver? Me personally i think we should trade Javon Walker while he has trade value for about a 3rd round pick, I think we should trade Travis Henry for to a team that needs a back for a late 3rd round pick or early 4th, I think we can get a 2nd round pick for Dre Bly from a desperate team who needs a good veteran corner. Ian Gold probably has zero trade value outside of a team who runs a cover 2, John Lynch is just trash now he should retire this off season. Shanny......Im tired of Shanny and the jacked up play calling and putting players in positions they cant have success in. Great coach in the past but an average coach in these days, Cant motivate the new generation of players for some reason.

Henry would count for $10 million against the cap that wouldn't be a good idea.

Javon is coming off another knee injury so I doubt he would garner much interest.

Along with trading Tatum Bell and George Foster to Detroit didn't they also get a 3rd or 4th round pick from us? If so why would he now be worth a 2nd round pick?

I don't know what kind of trade value Ian Gold will have if any but I think there is better than 50-50 chance that he is gone.

Mike
12-28-2007, 08:20 PM
The cap situation will not allow Denver to just scrap all these players. And I don't think that it would be wise to do that anyway.

Henry and Bly will stay...though I'd love to see Henry get the boot. Walker is dicey...depends on how he responds to the request to redo the contract. I think he will be back.

Gold will be gone.

I think that Lynch will be back. He just loves the game.

Shanahan will also be back.

Really, IMO, the main priorities of the offseason have to be to fix the o line and get a couple of solid DTs...grabbing a couple of good LBs and address the safety position would be nice too. If they can fix the o-line, get the DTs, and get one good LB this offseason I will be happy though.

HolyDiver
12-28-2007, 08:21 PM
Really annoying...................to read.................this is.


tough...............Get used to it.........It's not hurting you one bit slick.

Tned
12-28-2007, 08:21 PM
Really annoying...................to read.................this is.

Then don't read it, and keep your off topic comments to yourself. K?

BOSSHOGG30
12-28-2007, 08:40 PM
I'm more interested to see who retires. Lepsis, Hamilton, Hamilton, Smith, Lynch, and Nalen are all possibilities. If they all retire it will open up a lot of cap room for Denver, but we will lose most of the leadership off our team.

It will also be interesting to see what coaches stay and go. Special Teams is the only coaching job I would like to see changed. I really hope Denver brings in Pete Rodriguez.

TXBRONC
12-28-2007, 08:44 PM
I'm more interested to see who retires. Lepsis, Hamilton, Hamilton, Smith, Lynch, and Nalen are all possibilities. If they all retire it will open up a lot of cap room for Denver, but we will lose most of the leadership off our team.

It will also be interesting to see what coaches stay and go. Special Teams is the only coaching job I would like to see changed. I really hope Denver brings in Pete Rodriguez.

I heard awhile back that its looking like Hamilton will be coming back next season.

Skinny
12-28-2007, 08:45 PM
Hire a QB coach to work on cutlers machanics. He throws off his back foot too much.Welcome to the Forum HD ... :beer:

lol, your going to need to get better protection up front to help Cutler with that ... it has nothing to do with his mechanics ...

Bronco9798
12-28-2007, 08:48 PM
I really wouldn't be expecting a lot of trade talk for the Broncos this off-season. I think Javon and Travis will both be back. Shanny's going to again try to find the right pieces through FA and the draft. I expect a few signings on both lines and some more added depth. I think we'll go into camp with most of what we finished with. I do expect Lynch to retire and Gold to be gone.

BOSSHOGG30
12-28-2007, 08:54 PM
I heard awhile back that its looking like Hamilton will be coming back next season.

I hope he can... I expect him to be back and be moved to center.

TXBRONC
12-28-2007, 09:00 PM
I hope he can... I expect him to be back and be moved to center.

If he can come back and Nalen has retired, oh yeah he'll move to center.

lex
12-28-2007, 09:14 PM
Then don't read it, and keep your off topic comments to yourself. K?

No, its not ok.

TXBRONC
12-28-2007, 09:16 PM
No, its not ok.


Yes it is and get back on topic.

Bronco9798
12-28-2007, 09:18 PM
No, its not ok.

Get over it. HD is a solid contributor. He just has a way with his periods. it's not a big deal unless you make it one. It's harmless.

lex
12-28-2007, 09:20 PM
Yes it is and get back on topic.

Neh, is ist virklich nikt ok.






Vir verdanken zu viel am vertrag.

Have fun.

slim
12-28-2007, 09:21 PM
Javon nor Henry have any trade value. Lynch should retire and Gold should be shot.

Bronco9798
12-28-2007, 09:22 PM
Take your ball and go home. Good grief. Some people get bent out of shape over the stupidest things.

slim
12-28-2007, 09:22 PM
No, its not ok.

Good Lord...grow a pair :Cry:

Tned
12-28-2007, 09:26 PM
Neh, is ist virklich nikt ok.






Vir verdanken zu viel am vertrag.

Have fun.

I went ahead and reported your posts, Lex. Let the mods deal with you, since no regular posters have any desire to.

claymore
12-28-2007, 09:26 PM
No, its not ok.I wanted to say other things...... But its America, and you have to deal with it............ *****:D

lex
12-28-2007, 09:30 PM
I went ahead and reported your posts, Lex. Let the mods deal with you, since no regular posters have any desire to.


Whats wrong with my post? You have Topscribe to decipher this.

Tned
12-28-2007, 09:32 PM
Whats wrong with my post? You have Topscribe to decipher this.

I listen to the real thing when I go to Germany four times a year. Get on topic, Lex.

TXBRONC
12-28-2007, 09:33 PM
Whats wrong with my post? You have Topscribe to decipher this.


What's wrong with it? You're instigating trouble that's what wrong with it.

lex
12-28-2007, 09:34 PM
I listen to the real thing when I go to Germany four times a year. Get on topic, Lex.

That post was on topic.

lex
12-28-2007, 09:35 PM
What's wrong with it? You're instigating trouble that's what wrong with it.

I made a point relevant to the discussion. Whats ironic is how my manner of expression is not tolerated but ..........this .....is.

slim
12-28-2007, 09:36 PM
I made a point relevant to the discussion. Whats ironic is how my manner of expression is not tolerated but ..........this .....is.

Dear Lex,

Do you need a hug?

Sincerely,

slim

Tned
12-28-2007, 09:38 PM
I made a point relevant to the discussion. Whats ironic is how my manner of expression is not tolerated but ..........this .....is.

Lex, cool it. End it, or leave.

underrated29
12-28-2007, 10:11 PM
i dont think we should get rid of hardley any of those guys.

walker stays, henry stays,bly stays, lynch i would like to stay as we need all the help and leadership we can get back there.

I could go on for days about why we will and why we should keep those players, but instead i leave you with this.


Many say that one of the reasons for our lack of success is the team is new, hasnt gelled yet, needs to learn to play together and for our team and our system a little before they will step it up.

Now i ask, if we get rid of all these players would we not just be doing what we were just complaining about. Bringing in a bunch of new guys who then have to learn a new system and learn to play with new guys all over again.

obviously we will get some new guys through trade,fa,draft, but adding all these guys and subtracting all these guys seems very very unproductive. And reminds me of the redskins.

claymore
12-28-2007, 10:36 PM
Neh, is ist virklich nikt ok.






Vir verdanken zu viel am vertrag.

Have fun.
I think this is spanish for get bent....... I could be wrong.

Tned
12-28-2007, 10:44 PM
I think this is spanish for get bent....... I could be wrong.

it's German, something like, No, it is not ok (not sure of the verb)., and second line I am not following. I think he has some typos like Vir, instead of wir (we) many something.

Don't know. Trying to show off his german language skill, rather than trying to communicate in English like an adult.

DenBronx
12-28-2007, 11:05 PM
lol, i usually read the first couple of post then scroll right away towards the bottom to find out some of the last results in a thread and all i can say is boy did this thread go south in a hurry.

anyhow. back ON topic: i think by trading all those guys as a few have said is going to really hurt us cap wise. with smith needing career ending hip surgery he will be gone anyway and we could really use javon more than ever. does anyone know if by smith retiring if it will count against the cap or give us relief?

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
12-28-2007, 11:05 PM
i hope we dont get rid of javon. i would be very sad to see that.

trading him is retarded.
unless marshall and glenn martinez is good enough. Stokley is best as a slot WR.

slim
12-28-2007, 11:09 PM
i hope we dont get rid of javon. i would be very sad to see that.

trading him is retarded.
unless marshall and glenn martinez is good enough. Stokley is best as a slot WR.

Do you really think he will ever be the same? I am no doctor, but I would bet dollars to donuts that Javon will need to have microfracture during the off season.

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
12-28-2007, 11:12 PM
Do you really think he will ever be the same? I am no doctor, but I would bet dollars to donuts that Javon will need to have microfracture during the off season.

none of us can know that for sure. if the coaches think he needs the surgery then i dont think he would be playing now.

what if he doesnt need the surgery? We need a WR like him. Remember he had over 100 yards in the first 2 games. He can still play.

BigDaddyBronco
12-28-2007, 11:13 PM
I'm wondering about the microfracture as well. It seems like it's a career killer in football, but basketball players get it all the time and come back and their knees probably take a bigger pounding than football players.

If his knee is in pretty bad shape we should see some action pretty soon in the offseason as they will do a post season physical.

slim
12-28-2007, 11:15 PM
none of us can know that for sure. if the coaches think he needs the surgery then i dont think he would be playing now.

what if he doesnt need the surgery? We need a WR like him. Remember he had over 100 yards in the first 2 games. He can still play.

Maybe, but the coaches don't know crap about injuries. Do you remember the TD/stress fracture fiasco?

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
12-28-2007, 11:18 PM
Maybe, but the coaches don't know crap about injuries. Do you remember the TD/stress fracture fiasco?

we'll just have to wait and see.

If walker has 200 yards and 3 tds against the vikings i wonder how many of us will change their minds about him.

fcspikeit
12-28-2007, 11:18 PM
it's German, something like, No, it is not ok (not sure of the verb)., and second line I am not following. I think he has some typos like Vir, instead of wir (we) many something.

Don't know. Trying to show off his german language skill, rather than trying to communicate in English like an adult.

Second line was something on the lines of this,,

"Vir(?) owe too much at the contract"

slim
12-28-2007, 11:19 PM
we'll just have to wait and see.

If walker has 200 yards and 3 tds against the vikings i wonder how many of us will change their minds about him.

Good point. If he does well this week, I will shut my piehole. I am hoping for the best, but I'm not counting on it. :beer:

Tned
12-28-2007, 11:23 PM
I'm wondering about the microfracture as well. It seems like it's a career killer in football, but basketball players get it all the time and come back and their knees probably take a bigger pounding than football players.

If his knee is in pretty bad shape we should see some action pretty soon in the offseason as they will do a post season physical.

Yea, I don't get that. I have heard of basketball players getting it and continuing, but have only heard of linemen continuing in the NFL.

AFGAHNI_BATTLE_DONKEY
12-28-2007, 11:27 PM
Good point. If he does well this week, I will shut my piehole. I am hoping for the best, but I'm not counting on it. :beer:

200 yards and 3 tds is to much but maybe along the lines of 100 yards and a TD would be realistic.
If he has a game like that then maybe it will prove that he can still play and be a factor for our offense. Then we will keep him. That would make WR a strong point on this team.

yardog
12-28-2007, 11:28 PM
I'd be happy if he was getting open and making some catches.

broncogirl7
12-28-2007, 11:44 PM
Looks like Rod Smith's career is over as they now say he needs hip replacement. Very sad, hoped he could make a comeback.
Lynch will probably retire, but we need to draft 2 safeties.
Walker has not been productive due to his injury and he really needs his contract restructured until he can prove himself on the field again.
Gold-trade him, he's just too small.
Bly is ok.
Henry will be here at least another year because we would lose too much money if we traded him now, but he will have less playing time since Young and Hall are sharing the burden and improving with each game.
Shanahan needs to make some major changes, but I have total faith in what he can do for the Broncos. He is our leader.:elefant:

Timmy!
12-29-2007, 04:13 AM
I'm not sure about all this Lynch retirement talk. His cap figure is pretty small and he hasn't had a terrible season like some other players on defense. He sucks in coverage no doubt, but still gives 100% out there and is pretty good when we go 8 in the box. We need to address both safety positions, but I'd be very happy if Lynch played 1 more year. That way Lynch could play about 40% of the snaps (obvious running situations) and help mentor his future replacement. If he was going to cost us a ton of money it would be different, but with a small cap figure his experience, leadership, and effort are well worth a roster spot.

pnbronco
12-29-2007, 10:14 AM
Do you really think he will ever be the same? I am no doctor, but I would bet dollars to donuts that Javon will need to have microfracture during the off season.

What is a microfracture? I have read this term but Im not what it means, thanks.

broncogirl7
12-29-2007, 11:30 AM
I'm not sure about all this Lynch retirement talk. His cap figure is pretty small and he hasn't had a terrible season like some other players on defense. He sucks in coverage no doubt, but still gives 100% out there and is pretty good when we go 8 in the box. We need to address both safety positions, but I'd be very happy if Lynch played 1 more year. That way Lynch could play about 40% of the snaps (obvious running situations) and help mentor his future replacement. If he was going to cost us a ton of money it would be different, but with a small cap figure his experience, leadership, and effort are well worth a roster spot.

Don't get me wrong Timmy...I don't want Lynch to retire. That's just the rumor. I hope he does stick around for at least another year because I also think he is a great leader.

slim
12-29-2007, 01:08 PM
What is a microfracture? I have read this term but Im not what it means, thanks.

Well, I'm not a doctor but my understanding is that it involves creating tiny fractures in the bones....this somehow causes new cartilage to develop (so it is widely used in instances where there is no longer any cartilage, such as a bone on bone knee joint). It is also my understanding that it can take up to 18 months to fully recover for the procedure.

broncofanatic1987
12-30-2007, 09:40 AM
These players all leaving due to trades or just cuts? Javon Walker, Travis Henry, Dre Bly, Ian Gold, John Lynch. And last but not least Shanny leaving Denver? Me personally i think we should trade Javon Walker while he has trade value for about a 3rd round pick, I think we should trade Travis Henry for to a team that needs a back for a late 3rd round pick or early 4th, I think we can get a 2nd round pick for Dre Bly from a desperate team who needs a good veteran corner. Ian Gold probably has zero trade value outside of a team who runs a cover 2, John Lynch is just trash now he should retire this off season. Shanny......Im tired of Shanny and the jacked up play calling and putting players in positions they cant have success in. Great coach in the past but an average coach in these days, Cant motivate the new generation of players for some reason.

Walker, Henry, and Bly need to stay. Gold will probably be cut and that's fine with me. Lynch probably should retire, but Shanahan pretty much left it up to Lynch to decide because Shanahan has already said that he expects Lynch to be back next year. There's no way Shanahan is going to be fired so you might as well not waste any energy hoping for that to happen. My guess is that he will have until the end of his current extension to show that the team can compete for the AFC.

NameUsedBefore
12-30-2007, 09:55 AM
These players all leaving due to trades or just cuts? Javon Walker, Travis Henry, Dre Bly, Ian Gold, John Lynch. And last but not least Shanny leaving Denver?


Walker: Keep if healthy.

Henry: Keep if healthy.

Bly: Keep.

Gold: No mas, no mas.

Lynch: Has finally lost a step in his game...

Shanahan: Him leaving would destroy this franchise for at least five years and would certainly put a dent in Cutler's development.

TXBRONC
12-30-2007, 10:12 AM
Walker: Keep if healthy.

Henry: Keep if healthy.

Bly: Keep.

Gold: No mas, no mas.

Lynch: Has finally lost a step in his game...

Shanahan: Him leaving would destroy this franchise for at least five years and would certainly put a dent in Cutler's development.


Yep, changing coaches means a change in the system and that more than likely would set Cutler back.

HolyDiver
12-30-2007, 11:47 AM
I'm more interested to see who retires. Lepsis, Hamilton, Hamilton, Smith, Lynch, and Nalen are all possibilities. If they all retire it will open up a lot of cap room for Denver, but we will lose most of the leadership off our team.

It will also be interesting to see what coaches stay and go. Special Teams is the only coaching job I would like to see changed. I really hope Denver brings in Pete Rodriguez.


I'm sure I'll get criticized for this but I hope that Nalen, Hamilton and Rod all retire.................Myers and Kuper did a very nice job in their first years as starters............Rod simply will never be able to return healthy enough and He would only be our #4 Receiver most likely anyway................Now is the time to get younger...............Our O-line was not the line of the 90's...........But give them another year and they could be a very good group. Find a good replacement for Lepsis and let Harris and Pears battle for Right Tackle. I also would like to see Lynch become a player coach. Draft his replacement ( Jamie Silva or Craig Steltz) and our only real age problems then would be Champ and Bly who are both entering their 10th seasons...........I say they each have 3 good seasons left...............Maybe more, but we can only realistically hope for three. I feel Kuper Myers and Holland can be the strength of our O-line and Walker, Marshall and Stokley could be unstoppable, providing Walker is 100%.............Throw in Selvin Young, Sheffler and Cutler and you have a young, potentially potend Offense. Draft Defensive players, not becuase they have great 40 times or can leap a tall building in a single bound but draft them because they are intense, passionate football players..............A James Larinitis, Dan Connor or Jamie Silva all fit that mold.

BroncoJoe
12-30-2007, 11:50 AM
I'm sure I'll get criticized for this but I hope that Nalen, Hamilton and Rod all retire.................Myers and Kuper did a very nice job in their first years as starters............Rod simply will never be able to return healthy enough and He would only be our #4 Receiver most likely anyway................Now is the time to get younger...............Our O-line was not the line of the 90's...........But give them another year and they could be a very good group. Find a good replacement for Lepsis and let Harris and Pears battle for Right Tackle. I also would like to see Lynch become a player coach. Draft his replacement ( Jamie Silva or Craig Steltz) and our only real age problems then would be Cham and Bly who are both entering their 10th seasons...........I say they each have 3 good seasons left...............Maybe more, but we can only realistically hope for three. I feel Kuper Myers and Holland can be the strength of our O-line and Walker, Marshall and Stokley could be unstoppable, providing Walker is 100%.............Throw in Selvin Young, Sheffler and Cutler and you have a young, potentially potend Offense. Draft Defensive players, not becuase they have great 40 times or can leap a tall building in a single bound but draft them because they are intense, passionate football players..............A James Larinitis, Dan Connor or Jamie Silva all fit that mold.

No criticism here - I agree with everything except I'm not sure Selvin Young is the complete answer at RB. I like him better than Henry, but I do think we need to shore up that spot too.

topscribe
12-30-2007, 11:59 AM
No criticism here - I agree with everything except I'm not sure Selvin Young is the complete answer at RB. I like him better than Henry, but I do think we need to shore up that spot too.

Young showed what he can do if they just block for him, and that is plenty.
He can score from anywhere on the field. And he isn't afraid to mix it up
inside between the tackles (which is why I don't get the comparison some
have made between him and Tater). He can catch. He can block. Moreover,
he has real character, as he showed dramatically in coming back from his
disaster in college.

Oh yeah, I believe Young has a chance to be the Rod Smith of running backs.

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Dean
12-30-2007, 02:06 PM
Young showed what he can do if they just block for him, and that is plenty.
He can score from anywhere on the field. And he isn't afraid to mix it up
inside between the tackles (which is why I don't get the comparison some
have made between him and Tater). He can catch. He can block. Moreover,
he has real character, as he showed dramatically in coming back from his
disaster in college.

Oh yeah, I believe Young has a chance to be the Rod Smith of running backs.

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Those are very high expectations. Particularly when taken with your post in another thread supporting Rod for the Hall Of Fame.

I like what I have seen from Selvin so far but I think that I will take a wait-and-see attitude. I would like him to show me he can stay healthy and productive for more than a few games. Until he has, I'll reserve judgement on both his ability to fill the RB spot for the next few years and for his push into the Hall. :rockon:

Broncospsycho77
12-30-2007, 02:26 PM
The only thing that scares me about Selvin Young is the "Mike Bell effect", where he could lull himself into complacency as a starter if Henry is moved. Hopefully, he can keep that underdog mentality and chip on his shoulder to stay a competitor. Maybe if we don't draft a RB, we could try a duel RB system like Dallas with Young and Hall.

DenBronx
12-30-2007, 02:37 PM
Well, I'm not a doctor but my understanding is that it involves creating tiny fractures in the bones....this somehow causes new cartilage to develop (so it is widely used in instances where there is no longer any cartilage, such as a bone on bone knee joint). It is also my understanding that it can take up to 18 months to fully recover for the procedure.

thats correct but if javon needed microfracture i think they would have asked him to get it earlier this year so he would at least have been back next year. or they may know he needs it and are planning to cut him this offseason. and the last possibility is he does not need it at all and will be fully healed (this scenario is what im hoping for). really if javon comes back to full speed we will have 2 #1 WR's. some of the best offenses in the nfl have 2 stud WR's on both sides. i dont want a "project" or a rookie or some free agent that has only shown 1 good year. i dont really see any free agent WR's that are #1's anyway...i dont want us to settle for a #2 WR. if we lose javon then the only answer is to find someone just as good or better...this is the only and best option.