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TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 06:34 PM
I guess its official that Simeon Rice is now a Denver Broncos, so that begs the question "Who gets cut or traded to make room for him?"

ChampWJ
09-03-2007, 07:18 PM
My guesses:
Nate Jackson
Wesly Mallard
Antwon Burton
Kenny Peterson
Stephen Alexander
Mike Bell (or he gets traded to open a spot)
Andre Hall

Watchthemiddle
09-03-2007, 07:19 PM
My guesses:
Nate Jackson
Wesly Mallard
Antwon Burton
Kenny Peterson
Stephen Alexander
Mike Bell (or he gets traded to open a spot)
Andre Hall

Andre Hall or Bell.

Just my thoughts.

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 07:55 PM
My guesses:
Nate Jackson
Wesly Mallard
Antwon Burton
Kenny Peterson
Stephen Alexander
Mike Bell (or he gets traded to open a spot)
Andre Hall

I don't know if we can afford to get rid of Burton.

Watchthemiddle
09-03-2007, 07:59 PM
How about Peterson since he is suspended the first 4 games? Can we cut him?

ChampWJ
09-03-2007, 08:03 PM
I think you all misunderstood my previous post. I think all of those guys will get cut, not just one.



..........j/k :D

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 08:04 PM
How about Peterson since he is suspended the first 4 games? Can we cut him?

Did we wait until Sauerbrun had served his four game susupension before he was cut last year? :confused:

Watchthemiddle
09-03-2007, 08:08 PM
Did we wait until Sauerbrun had served his four game susupension before he was cut last year? :confused:

I can't remember. I am thinking we have too wait. It would be too easy to just cut the guys that are suspended so we can fill a roster spot.

That said, and I am drifing off topic, did the Bears cut Tank or what because he obviously hasn't served his 8 game yet?

Does anyone know about this or not??

HORSEPOWER 56
09-03-2007, 08:10 PM
How about Peterson since he is suspended the first 4 games? Can we cut him?

He's suspended right now so I don't think he's officially on the 53 man roster. If we wanted to bring him back after his suspension, we'd have to cut someone else to do so. If we were going to cut a DE, I imagine it would be Peterson if we could. Right now though, i've got to think it will be somewhere that we have a big surplus...RB or TE. Either Nate Jackson or Stephen Alexander would be my guess.

Skinny
09-03-2007, 08:14 PM
Maybe all this (signing Rice) had alot to do with cutting these guys.

Jimmy Kennedy
Kenard Lang
John Browning
Quincy Morgan

All those guy with the exception of Lang (3 Mill) and Browning (1.5 Mill) were making $500,000 this year. Not to mention cutting other players who were under contract for the league minimun being their veteran status in the league. (Ex. David Terell, $500,000).

Demetrin Veal, Kyle Johnson, etc...

Also dumping Gerard Warren's contract.

Just a thought.

I also read somewhere (a link) that we were 7 Mill under the cap before signing Rice. :whoknows:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamSalary?categoryId=67044

Watchthemiddle
09-03-2007, 08:18 PM
He's suspended right now so I don't think he's officially on the 53 man roster. If we wanted to bring him back after his suspension, we'd have to cut someone else to do so. If we were going to cut a DE, I imagine it would be Peterson if we could. Right now though, i've got to think it will be somewhere that we have a big surplus...RB or TE. Either Nate Jackson or Stephen Alexander would be my guess.

Alexander it could be. I think he is making a lot of $$$$, but I could be wrong.

I don't think this would be a money issue though because like someone said above me, aren't we 7 mil under the cap?:confused:

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 08:19 PM
Maybe all this (signing Rice) had alot to do with cutting these guys.

Jimmy Kennedy
Kenard Lang
John Browning
Quincy Morgan

All those guy with the exception of Lang (3 Mill) and Browning (1.5 Mill) were making $500,000 this year. Not to mention cutting other players who were under contract for the league minimun being their veteran status in the league. (Ex. David Terell, $500,000).

Demetrin Veal, Kyle Johnson, etc...

Also dumping Gerard Warren's contract.

Just a thought.

I also read somewhere (a link) that we were 7 Mill under the cap before signing Rice. :whoknows:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamSalary?categoryId=67044

Those release may play into but that would mean Shanahan was banking on signing Rice. Nevertheless, with Rice on the team that means we have roster of 54. So a player has to be moved one way or another.

Skinny
09-03-2007, 08:35 PM
Those release may play into but that would mean Shanahan was banking on signing Rice. Nevertheless, with Rice on the team that means we have roster of 54. So a player has to be moved one way or another.Good point ! lol

Who ever it is better hope they have some PS eligibility left!

Possibly Hall or Shoate. Seems those 2 are at the back of the pack on the depth chart (which i know is'nt offiacial) :noidea:

lol, I need to get out of this thread before i rack my brain! :frusty:

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 08:42 PM
Good point ! lol

Who ever it is better hope they have some PS eligability left!

Possibly Hall or Shoate. Seems those 2 are at the back of the pack on the depth chart (which i know is'nt offiacial) :noidea:

lol, I need to get out of this thread before i rack my brain! :frusty:

:lol: Brother your brain wont be so racked if you stop hitting against a brick wall. :laugh:

Skinny
09-03-2007, 08:44 PM
:lol: Brother your brain wont be so racked if you stop hitting against a brick wall. :laugh:That or you ask a question i can actually answer! :D

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 08:46 PM
That or you ask a question i can actually answer! :D

You're doing fine. :2thumbs:

BANJOPICKER1
09-03-2007, 08:49 PM
Dont we still have 2 punters??

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 08:54 PM
Dont we still have 2 punters??

No Ernster was let go before the last preseason game of the year.

DenBronx
09-03-2007, 09:01 PM
Alexander it could be. I think he is making a lot of $$$$, but I could be wrong.

I don't think this would be a money issue though because like someone said above me, aren't we 7 mil under the cap?:confused:

we were 7 mil under before we released the last batch of players. kj, morgan ect.

DenBronx
09-03-2007, 09:03 PM
i read over at BM that rice signed a 1 year deal worth 3 mil and 1 mil in incentives. if thats true then that is highway robbery for a guy of his caliber. i was thinking he would get close to 6 mil. tampa offered him 5 mil...so this cant be right can it? was there a 1 yr signing bonus attacthed?

DenBronx
09-03-2007, 09:08 PM
here it is....stnzed is the one that said it. i wonder how he knows this. does anyone else have a source for this?


That's a good point....Rice signed a one year 3mil guaranteed deal w/ 1mil performance-based bonus.

Kerney broke the bank.....

Skinny
09-03-2007, 09:10 PM
i read over at BM that rice signed a 1 year deal worth 3 mil and 1 mil in incentives. if thats true then that is highway robbery for a guy of his caliber. i was thinking he would get close to 6 mil. tampa offered him 5 mil...so this cant be right can it? was there a 1 yr signing bonus attacthed?That is correct. It's 3 Mill gauranteed
According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, Rice's deal with the Broncos is for one year and $3 million. He accepted the terms once the Broncos decided to guarantee the contract. Along with the $3 million, the Broncos gave him the chance to make another $1 million through performance-based incentives.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3003148

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 09:11 PM
i read over at BM that rice signed a 1 year deal worth 3 mil and 1 mil in incentives. if thats true then that is highway robbery for a guy of his caliber. i was thinking he would get close to 6 mil. tampa offered him 5 mil...so this cant be right can it? was there a 1 yr signing bonus attacthed?

Keeping what you just said in mind, maybe Shanahan got such a good deal because there are lingering questions about Rice's shoulder?

dogfish
09-03-2007, 09:15 PM
i suspect we're still trying to trade mike bell-- if it doesn't happen, the most likely candidates to be cut, IMO, are probably mallard, hall, alexander or shoate. . .

DenBronx
09-03-2007, 09:17 PM
Keeping what you just said in mind, maybe Shanahan got such a good deal because there are lingering questions about Rice's shoulder?

holy batcave TXBRONC your way over 500 post already:congrats:

DenBronx
09-03-2007, 09:18 PM
i suspect we're still trying to trade mike bell-- if it doesn't happen, the most likely candidates to be cut, IMO, are probably mallard, hall, alexander or shoate. . .

when is the deadline to do this? i thought we had to stay under the 53 man roster. right now we have 54.

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 09:24 PM
when is the deadline to do this? i thought we had to stay under the 53 man roster. right now we have 54.

This is only a guess but I would think they have make room for him within next 24 to 48 hours. I have nothing to base that on, it just a guess that League wont let you stay over 53 for much more than that.

Watchthemiddle
09-03-2007, 09:25 PM
This is only a guess but I would think they have make room for him within next 24 to 48 hours. I have nothing to base that on, it just a guess that League wont let you stay over 53 for much more than that.

I bet by morning time we will see the change.

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 09:32 PM
I bet by morning time we will see the change.

I wouldn't doubt it.

Watchthemiddle
09-03-2007, 09:45 PM
I wouldn't doubt it.


The Broncos will have to make a roster move to accommodate Rice once he formally signs the deal and takes to the practice field with the rest of the team Wednesday. They are expected to make a cut this morning and then turn Rice’s deal into the league to get the veteran onto the roster.

Soon...


"I wanted to play with a class organization and oh my God, I was so blown away because I’ve never experienced anything like this," Rice said by phone shortly after leaving the Broncos offices. "I talked to Sam Adams. I talked to John Lynch, a few guys on the team, they love it here.
"Tampa was great but this situation is a class above it all. The way they treated me from the owner to the team on down."

Thats good to hear. He sounds excited to be here and so does the team

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5689127,00.html

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 10:14 PM
So they do have 48 hours to move someone else off the roster.

I guess it would be asking to much if maybe Shanahan could make a trade. :beer:

DenBronx
09-03-2007, 10:26 PM
So they do have 48 hours to move someone else off the roster.

I guess it would be asking to much if maybe Shanahan could make a trade. :beer:



yeah i was gonna call him tonight. im sure he wants my input on the bell trade. i'll tell him nothing less than a 4th....is that ok with everyone?

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 10:30 PM
yeah i was gonna call him tonight. im sure he wants my input on the bell trade. i'll tell him nothing less than a 4th....is that ok with everyone?


Hey whatever it takes. If you got that kind of stroke then you're da man! :adore:

Dean
09-03-2007, 10:45 PM
I am just guessing like everyone else but a fourth round pick seems too high. I would be happy with a fifth or sixth round pick.

We got a fifth for Warren and if we get a fifth for Bell that is ammunition to move in the draft next year. That allows a team picking in the last ten of each round to still get a player or players that they want. With a little more point value maybe we could replace that third round pick traded for Thomas.

TXBRONC
09-03-2007, 10:52 PM
I am just guessing like everyone else but a fourth round pick seems too high. I would be happy with a fifth or sixth round pick.

We got a fifth for Warren and if we get a fifth for Bell that is ammunition to move in the draft next year. That allows a team picking in the last ten of each round to still get a player or players that they want. With a little more point value maybe we could replace that third round pick traded for Thomas.


I agree it seems more realistic to think that a trade would land 5th or 6th.

Crush05
09-03-2007, 11:29 PM
Wow that is huge!!! I just got home from working on the train so I missed it! We really signed him....... does this mean DJ Williams slides back out to outside linebacker?

BigBroncLove
09-03-2007, 11:33 PM
Wow that is huge!!! I just got home from working on the train so I missed it! We really signed him....... does this mean DJ Williams slides back out to outside linebacker?

Rice is a DE, not an LB :D DJ will stay at MIKE

Watchthemiddle
09-03-2007, 11:36 PM
Rice is a DE, not an LB :D DJ will stay at MIKE

:laugh:

Crush isn't all there sometimes.. :der::der:.you'll have to forgive him.

Crush05
09-03-2007, 11:42 PM
:laugh:

Crush isn't all there sometimes.. :der::der:.you'll have to forgive him.

LOL yep your right. See what happens when you work on a train for 15 hours!!!! :shocked:

Crush05
09-03-2007, 11:44 PM
So now that we have that all straight. Do you think he is here to help Jarvis come along as well as the team? Will they both be in at the same time or swap the same spot?

Crush05
09-03-2007, 11:45 PM
Crush isn't all there sometimes.. :der::der:.you'll have to forgive him.[/QUOTE]

Now WTM that was uncool!!!:tsk: But funny!:laugh:

The Hamburgler
09-04-2007, 12:38 AM
hopefully we will get rid of hall.

Lonestar
09-04-2007, 01:49 AM
I'm guessing for now one of the PS guys goes. If Bell is traded I alos would think they will get more than a 5th for him as anyone asking about him NOW probably are getting desperate for a good RB.

ChampWJ
09-04-2007, 02:09 AM
I'm guessing for now one of the PS guys goes. If Bell is traded I alos would think they will get more than a 5th for him as anyone asking about him NOW probably are getting desperate for a good RB.

So if they release a PS player, they still have to demote one from the 53 man through waivers right? That seems like an easy way to lose 2 players if the one you're trying to get through waivers gets picked up.

I would take a 5th for Bell. Didn't the Dolphins only give up a 5th for Green and the Raiders a 5th for Warren? It seems like the going rate for a starting caliber player is a 4th or 5th rounder depending on potential. I don't think Bell is starting caliber or has the potential to be so, thus I would take a 5th in a heartbeat for him.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 07:20 AM
So if they release a PS player, they still have to demote one from the 53 man through waivers right? That seems like an easy way to lose 2 players if the one you're trying to get through waivers gets picked up.

I would take a 5th for Bell. Didn't the Dolphins only give up a 5th for Green and the Raiders a 5th for Warren? It seems like the going rate for a starting caliber player is a 4th or 5th rounder depending on potential. I don't think Bell is starting caliber or has the potential to be so, thus I would take a 5th in a heartbeat for him.

I was thinking the same thing. If Shanahan did it that way you run risk of losing two players instead just one.

arapaho2
09-04-2007, 09:48 AM
I'm guessing for now one of the PS guys goes. If Bell is traded I alos would think they will get more than a 5th for him as anyone asking about him NOW probably are getting desperate for a good RB.


i believe the PS is supplemental to the roster...so it wont be a practice squad guy getting released for rice

but since hall seems to be on the roster he could be let go and signed on the practice squad as stated..cause you dont really lose two players or one, your losing a player or players with nothing but promise for a guy withskills and who can contribute imediatly

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 09:54 AM
i believe the PS is supplemental to the roster...so it wont be a practice squad guy getting released for rice

Exactly, cutting a practice squad guy means you have still cut someone from the 53 man roster.

arapaho2
09-04-2007, 10:02 AM
Exactly, cutting a practice squad guy means you have still cut someone from the 53 man roster.

or they could just declare rod smith IR and that would open up a spot

well maybe not..i count 54 on the roster right now with rice thats 2 to many...so two go

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 10:11 AM
or they could just declare rod smith IR and that would open up a spot

well maybe not..i count 54 on the roster right now with rice thats 2 to many...so two go


If you're already including Rice as part of the roster then Denver only needs remove one player to get to 53.

Retired_Member_001
09-04-2007, 10:27 AM
I doubt we will cut anyone major, it's only unless we trade Mike Bell. I'm sure most people know that there are quite a few teams that want him.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 10:41 AM
Today's DP has this latest news on Rice it looks like he wont play until the home opener in two week and at that it only be on passing downs.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6794190

Rice aims to bring heat for Broncos
Denver upgrades its pass rush by signing sack specialist
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated: 09/04/2007 01:49:33 AM MDT

Simeon Rice, the newest Bronco, might not play in the season opener at Buffalo this Sunday, but he is expected to be on the field during passing situations in Week 2 vs. Oakland. (Getty Images file)Nick Ferguson was walking through the Broncos' locker room Monday afternoon at Dove Valley, looking for answers.

"What's up with No. 97?" Ferguson asked. "Are we getting him?"

While the Broncos safety inquired about what he said would be a major coup for the Broncos' new-look defense, team officials were finalizing a deal that made Simeon Rice a Bronco in yet another aggressive move by the team's brass this year.

"That would be huge," Ferguson said.

After a preseason in which new defensive boss Jim Bates admitted the adjustment to his scheme has been slow, the Broncos gave Bates a player perfectly fit for his approach six days before the season opener at Buffalo. Rice, the biggest name available, gives

Simeon Rice
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the Broncos' defensive line instant pass-rushing credibility. Rice has 121 career sacks in 11 seasons and is second among active NFL players.
The Broncos were monitoring Rice for the past two weeks after defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban was lost for the season with an Achilles injury Aug. 18 at Dallas. Talks intensified Saturday, and Rice visited Sunday. After leaving Monday morning, the Broncos and Rice's agent finalized the deal in the afternoon. He signed for one season for $3 million with incentives that can add another $1 million.

Rice said he wasn't sure whether he would play Sunday at Buffalo, but the team expects him to be in the lineup on passing downs as soon at the home season opener Sept. 16 against Oakland.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers cut Rice in July to save money. Rice, recovering from an injured shoulder, passed the Broncos' physical after passing a similar exam from the St. Louis Rams on Friday. He said his shoulder is fine.

Rice, who also visited the New York Giants and Tennessee Titans, said the biggest factors why he signed with the Broncos were the winning atmosphere and the players' happiness. He said he talked to former Buccaneers teammates John Lynch and Ian Gold about

the Broncos, as well as other players, including Ferguson and Sam Adams. Lynch was among the group that dined with Rice on Sunday night on his visit.
"The biggest factor overall was, I had never seen a team of players respond to an organization the way these players did," Rice said.

Rice will get a chance to make good on his statement before he signed that he could be the final piece of a Super Bowl puzzle. He will lead a group of pass rushers that includes young players Elvis Dumervil and Jarvis Moss.

Bates likes tall, fast defensive ends in his system. Just as Adams fits the system because he clogs the middle, Rice works because he can come off the edge. Ferguson said he thinks Rice can have the same success Jason Taylor had in Miami in Bates' system. Lynch agrees.

"It's a great fit in every way," Lynch said. "He is going to really make a lot of plays for us. ... Simeon is a playmaker who makes his plays count. (Former Buccaneers assistant and now Detroit Lions head coach) Rod Marinelli used a baseball analogy in describing Simeon to me once. He said that Simeon doesn't hit his home runs with the bases empty. He hits them with the bases loaded, when it counts."

Rice is ready to swing for the fences in Denver.

"What's important for me is to put (the injury) behind me and do what I do naturally," Rice said. "And that's dominate."

Staff writer Bill Williamson can be reached at 303-954-1262 or bwilliamson@denverpost.com.

anton...
09-04-2007, 10:47 AM
lets hope he dominates!!

and lets hope he can teach a thing or two to moss, elvis and crowder...

this was a great move!!

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TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 10:49 AM
lets hope he dominates!!

and lets hope he can teach a thing or two to moss, elvis and crowder...

this was a great move!!

:salute:

Hopefully he will be able too. Although I'm not sure he can teach Elvis much, because he already has gyrating hips. ;)

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 10:58 AM
I doubt we will cut anyone major, it's only unless we trade Mike Bell. I'm sure most people know that there are quite a few teams that want him.

I can't for see any kind of major cut, but if Shanahan is able to trade a player like Mike Bell for a 4th or 5th rounder that would maximize his signing.

arapaho2
09-04-2007, 10:58 AM
If you're already including Rice as part of the roster then Denver only needs remove one player to get to 53.

on the roster site: http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=396










now i count 54 already without rice? thats with smith who is PUP

ChampWJ
09-04-2007, 11:00 AM
I just have this funny feeling that he will suit up and play against Buffalo. Maybe it's just me.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 11:02 AM
I just have this funny feeling that he will suit up and play against Buffalo. Maybe it's just me.

I think that is possible.

anton...
09-04-2007, 11:03 AM
i dont see why he couldnt...

on passing downs anyway...

he must be in some kind of shape i hope...
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Retired_Member_001
09-04-2007, 11:06 AM
I just have this funny feeling that he will suit up and play against Buffalo. Maybe it's just me.

:laugh:

Shanny brings out the playbook of mind games.

Lonestar
09-04-2007, 11:14 AM
I was thinking the same thing. If Shanahan did it that way you run risk of losing two players instead just one.

But these players passed the "test already" they already passed through waivers it is not like someone would like them today when they did not last week. I could be wrong on this and probably am but that was my logic on the situation if they do not trade someone that is how I'd do it.

I do not see to many other players that they feel they can cut.

Lonestar
09-04-2007, 11:19 AM
Exactly, cutting a practice squad guy means you have still cut someone from the 53 man roster.

I had though the 53 included the PS I'm wrong I just counted the squad and saw that had changed. They used to have to cut to 48 and then add the PS back on.

I stand corrected.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 11:21 AM
But these players passed the "test already" they already passed through waivers it is not like someone would like them today when they did not last week. I could be wrong on this and probably am but that was my logic on the situation if they do not trade someone that is how I'd do it.

I do not see to many other players that they feel they can cut.


That means Denver is making two cuts. One from the roster (then that player has to clear waivers) and one from the practice squad.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 11:26 AM
:laugh:

Shanny brings out the playbook of mind games.


It's always good to keep them guessing. :cool:

Requiem / The Dagda
09-04-2007, 11:29 AM
The best thing I like about this signing that it was a lucrative one year deal, giving him three million guaranteed and up to a million more via incentives. He'll help tutor the younger lineman, and he helps us win now. I was worried about it being a several year deal that might hold back the younger players on the squad, but I think this is one of the better signings of the off-season from a win-now perspective, and for what it can teach our youth in the future. It was widely speculated before he signed that he wouldn't play the first game anyways. It's nice to have a force like him on the line.

Requiem / The Dagda
09-04-2007, 11:32 AM
Wesley Mallard was released, via CBS Denver. Source: Orange Mane

Lonestar
09-04-2007, 11:36 AM
That means Denver is making two cuts. One from the roster (then that player has to clear waivers) and one from the practice squad.

I got it as mentioned in the above post. Sorry I misunderstood the total number really is now 61 not 53 like it used to be.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 11:40 AM
I got it as mentioned in the above post. Sorry I misunderstood the total number really is now 61 not 53 like it used to be.

No biggie.

ChampWJ
09-04-2007, 12:14 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=7132


By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- To replace one former Tampa Bay Buccaneer, the Broncos released another.

Tuesday morning, the Broncos waived linebacker Wesly Mallard, letting him go in order to make room for defensive end Simeon Rice, who agreed to terms with the team on Monday afternoon.

Mallard had made the 53-man roster as an outside linebacker after signing with the team on July 29, the first day of training camp. He spent much of training camp and preseason working with the second team after Warrick Holdman suffered a spinal-cord contusion on the fifth day of practice and was lost for the season.

The release of Mallard leaves the Broncos with just five linebackers on both the 53-man roster and the practice squad. Safety Steve Cargile, who was signed to the practice squad on Sunday, does have practice-time experience at weakside linebacker, having worked there during organized team activities in May and June.

Rice is expected to be on the practice field on Wednesday afternoon when the Broncos reconvene to continue preparations for Sunday's game against the Buffalo Bills.

Lonestar
09-04-2007, 12:16 PM
lets hope he dominates!!

and lets hope he can teach a thing or two to moss, elvis and crowder...

this was a great move!!

:salute:

I agree

He may have taken the one year deal to prove he is well and still can play.
I think although this is ONE year deal he may be courted mid year to sign on for longer. I also think that he will as stated in some of the other threads that he will be the mentor for the kids and frankly most of them are not as we speak able to play every down of every game for the season.

I would not be concerned if they keep him around for a couple more years if the contract could be good for the Broncos.

While these kiddies may be something special down the road, right now and probably even the next couple of years they have much to learn.

ChampWJ
09-04-2007, 12:18 PM
You make a good point Dream. I think it gives us a year to see how he does, and if he has a dominant year, why not bring him back again? I know we have some young studs hopefully waiting to break out, but it would seem kind of silly to bring in a player of his caliber, send him to a pro-bowl (possibly), then lose him to free agency.

If he does good this year, I think you will see Denver work out some kind of an extension with him during or after the season.

Retired_Member_001
09-04-2007, 12:18 PM
http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=682

Already done on the last page of that thread.

ChampWJ
09-04-2007, 12:20 PM
Sorry Wookie. I didn't see it there, but I also think it's good to have it's own topic for those who are just browsing the topic titles looking for news.

Retired_Member_001
09-04-2007, 12:21 PM
Sorry Wookie. I didn't see it there, but I also think it's good to have it's own topic for those who are just browsing the topic titles looking for news.

Good point, I just thought it would be good to let you know. It'll probably be merged anyway.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 12:35 PM
I guess we don't need to speculate on what the roster move will be.

Hawgdriver
09-04-2007, 12:41 PM
It's weird to think the entire D Line is new faces, with the exception of Engelberger and Dumervil.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 12:56 PM
I agree

He may have taken the one year deal to prove he is well and still can play.
I think although this is ONE year deal he may be courted mid year to sign on for longer. I also think that he will as stated in some of the other threads that he will be the mentor for the kids and frankly most of them are not as we speak able to play every down of every game for the season.

I would not be concerned if they keep him around for a couple more years if the contract could be good for the Broncos.

While these kiddies may be something special down the road, right now and probably even the next couple of years they have much to learn.

I could see that happening of course that is assuming that he's being productive.

He's 33 years old so I don't think Denver would re-sign him to a very lengthy contract.

Lonestar
09-04-2007, 12:59 PM
I could see that happening of course that is assuming that he's being productive.

He's 33 years old so I don't think Denver would re-sign him to a very lengthy contract.

I suspect your correct but if he can be productive for 3 years and the price is right until the kiddies are up and running they could do worse. In fact they have done alot worse, at least he is not from the browns.

Watchthemiddle
09-04-2007, 01:12 PM
Thats got to suck for Mallard. Go all the way through camp, get the call that you have made the roster and then get cut.

Oh well, its the nature of the business. It sure would be nice to have a little more depth at LB.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 01:14 PM
Thats got to suck for Mallard. Go all the way through camp, get the call that you have made the roster and then get cut.

Oh well, its the nature of the business. It sure would be nice to have a little more depth at LB.

It sure would be nice to have depth at linebacker.

Watchthemiddle
09-04-2007, 01:19 PM
After a preseason in which new defensive boss Jim Bates admitted the adjustment to his scheme has been slow, the Broncos gave Bates a player perfectly fit for his approach six days before the season opener at Buffalo. Rice, the biggest name available


A little off topic, but this article got me thinking about something

In the Bates defensive system, does it need a "Jason Taylor" type of player coming off the edge in order for it to be successful?

We didn't have that until this signing. Above, the article said this is a perfect fit for the scheme, so is this what we were missing this

Skinny
09-04-2007, 01:21 PM
A little off topic, but this article got me thinking about something

In the Bates defensive system, does it need a "Jason Taylor" type of player coming off the edge in order for it to be successful?

We didn't have that until this signing. Above, the article said this is a perfect fit for the scheme, so is this what we were missing thisI beleive we were missing that "consistency" there.

Rice does brings that to that position IMO.

Lonestar
09-04-2007, 01:27 PM
A little off topic, but this article got me thinking about something

In the Bates defensive system, does it need a "Jason Taylor" type of player coming off the edge in order for it to be successful?

We didn't have that until this signing. Above, the article said this is a perfect fit for the scheme, so is this what we were missing this


I beleive we were missing that "consistency" there.

Rice does brings that to that position IMO.

We hope he will, I think it will take time for the kiddies to get up to speed. But I'll go back the the thought that unless the DT's are consistently clogging the middle and getting double teamed the DE are going to be tied up with OT or OT and TE's.

It keeps getting back to the DT position, THE area that we have sucked at forever.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 01:27 PM
A little off topic, but this article got me thinking about something

In the Bates defensive system, does it need a "Jason Taylor" type of player coming off the edge in order for it to be successful?

We didn't have that until this signing. Above, the article said this is a perfect fit for the scheme, so is this what we were missing this

From what I understand it does. We might have that in Crowder and Moss but only time will tell if that's the case.

dogfish
09-04-2007, 01:53 PM
It's weird to think the entire D Line is new faces, with the exception of Engelberger and Dumervil.

given how bad the old line sucked, i absolutely think that's a good thing!

Lonestar
09-04-2007, 02:05 PM
It sure would be nice to have depth at linebacker.

I suspect that Mikey will find someone to deal with that If I remember correctly cargile was or has played at LB.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 02:11 PM
I suspect that Mikey will find someone to deal with that If I remember correctly cargile was or has played at LB.


Yeah that was mentioned somewhere that Cargile has had some practice at linebacker.

Watchthemiddle
09-04-2007, 02:13 PM
Yeah that was mentioned somewhere that Cargile has had some practice at linebacker.

This is turning out to be the jack of all trades team. Bell at FB, Cargile could play some LB. FOxy can play every secondary position, Elam can play come QB...:laugh:

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 02:15 PM
This is turning out to be the jack of all trades team. Bell at FB, Cargile could play some LB. FOxy can play every secondary position, Elam can play come QB...:laugh:

Don't forget a healthy Rod Smith can also play quarterback.

dogfish
09-04-2007, 02:26 PM
The best thing I like about this signing that it was a lucrative one year deal, giving him three million guaranteed and up to a million more via incentives. He'll help tutor the younger lineman, and he helps us win now. I was worried about it being a several year deal that might hold back the younger players on the squad, but I think this is one of the better signings of the off-season from a win-now perspective, and for what it can teach our youth in the future. It was widely speculated before he signed that he wouldn't play the first game anyways. It's nice to have a force like him on the line.

yep-- signing him to a one year deal is pretty much an ideal scenario. . . better than i ever thought we could do! it's basically a no-lose proposition. . .

dogfish
09-04-2007, 02:28 PM
This is turning out to be the jack of all trades team. Bell at FB, Cargile could play some LB. FOxy can play every secondary position, Elam can play come QB...:laugh:

well hopefully we won't be asking him to run the ball this year. . . .


:ahhhhh:

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 02:33 PM
well hopefully we won't be asking him to run the ball this year. . . .


:ahhhhh:

No kidding. :laugh:

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 02:49 PM
yep-- signing him to a one year deal is pretty much an ideal scenario. . . better than i ever thought we could do! it's basically a no-lose proposition. . .

I have to say I'm feeling better and better about this signing as we continue to talk about it.

Retired_Member_001
09-04-2007, 03:32 PM
This is turning out to be the jack of all trades team. Bell at FB, Cargile could play some LB. FOxy can play every secondary position, Elam can play come QB...:laugh:

You forgot Nalen at kicker.

:rolleyes: Goodness me, I nearly choked on my drink when I heard that.

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 03:58 PM
You forgot Nalen at kicker.

:rolleyes: Goodness me, I nearly choked on my drink when I heard that.


Years ago the Washington Redskins LT (Jim Jacoby) was their emergency quarterback.

Retired_Member_001
09-04-2007, 04:04 PM
Years ago the Washington Redskins LT (Jim Jacoby) was their emergency quarterback.

That still sounds better than Jason Elam at scrambling Quarterback. :D

Skinny
09-04-2007, 04:30 PM
Hate to bring up old wounds, but what does'nt kill you, makes you stronger.

In 96' playoffs in the loss to Jax, our "QB pressure" situation was much like it is today. The d-line had no containment of Brunell and his scrambling made some hugs plays for them, and it ended a terrific season for us.

Then Neil Smith hit the FA market, signed with us and it made a huge impact in that very area (QB pressure and containment).

This signing may very well have that kind of impact in an area that we so desperately need.

It's a huge signing and time will tell how that translates to the feild.

I for one am estatic about it and feel Rice certainly has that kind of ability.

Dean
09-04-2007, 08:14 PM
I guess we don't need to speculate on what the roster move will be.

When has something as trivial as a fact deterred us, as posters, from speculating. We can just argue that it is a ploy by Shanahan and substitute our speculations for history. :elefant:

Speculation is not for the faint hearted nor for those with a firm grip on reality.:D

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 09:11 PM
When has the something as trivial as a fact deterred us, as posters, from speculating. We can just argue that it is a ploy by Shanahan and substitute our speculations for history. :elefant:

Speculation is not for the faint hearted nor for those with a firm grip on reality.:D



When has something as trivial as a fact deterred us from speculating? :ponder: You got me. :laugh:

dogfish
09-04-2007, 09:12 PM
Speculation is not for the faint hearted nor for those with a firm grip on reality.:D


luckily, neither of those apply to me. . . . :laugh: :laugh:

TXBRONC
09-04-2007, 09:18 PM
luckily, neither of those apply to me. . . . :laugh: :laugh:


Well of course those don't apply to you because you're in limbo. :lol:

Retired_Member_001
09-09-2007, 12:41 PM
Sorry I made an accidental post.

Feel free to delete this post.