We Love Penix

[aberdien]

He is ranked the 19th best player by pff. If this stays correct, it's not unlikely that we will have a chance at him right?

https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2024

https://images.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/10142023_calkins_190358.jpg?d=780x858

[chazoe60]

Give me all the Penix!!!

[Simple Jaded]

PFF? Great, now I have to hate him.

[Buff]

At first I was turned off by Penix, but have really warmed up to the idea after more exposure.

[King87]

PFF? Great, now I have to hate him.

They LOVED Trevor Lawrence and Dawand Jones, btw.

[Simple Jaded]

They LOVED Trevor Lawrence and Dawand Jones, btw.

You!

[King87]

You!

In fairness to me, you really set yourself up for it. I'm surprised you didn't go the "See, even THESE fools can tell how much of a baller Penix is," while laughing that you just sad baller and Penix in the same sentence.

[Simple Jaded]

In fairness to me, you really set yourself up for it. I'm surprised you didn't go the "See, even THESE fools can tell how much of a baller Penix is," while laughing that you just sad baller and Penix in the same sentence.

I’m getting rusty, blinded by The righteousness of my hate for PFF.

[King87]

I’m getting rusty, blinded by The righteousness of my hate for PFF.

They tend to think T.J. Watt is overrated and value big arms that attack the field over game managers.

I think that in your quest to find better stats with a more tolerable basis you probably represent the things they're trying to measure.

Which is just beautiful because it's fun to tweak your nose about it, while also recognizing that you value the proper things in modern football.

[King87]

Penix has been healthy for two years. How much does that sway y'all?

[tubby]

I like Penix a lot. He beat Michigan while at Indiana, FYI. You'll probably heard about that tonight on the broadcast.

I just wish he wasn't left handed. (No offense)

[aberdien]

Nothing wrong with a Penix that leans left

[Simple Jaded]

They tend to think T.J. Watt is overrated and value big arms that attack the field over game managers.

I think that in your quest to find better stats with a more tolerable basis you probably represent the things they're trying to measure.

Which is just beautiful because it's fun to tweak your nose about it, while also recognizing that you value the proper things in modern football.

Who’s side are you on?

#RedLight

[Simple Jaded]

I like Penix a lot. He beat Michigan while at Indiana, FYI. You'll probably heard about that tonight on the broadcast.

I just wish he wasn't left handed. (No offense)

My wife is left-handed, you get used to it.

[King87]

Who’s side are you on?

#RedLight

You’resa’re

[tubby]

Big Penix Energy

[chazoe60]

I've got Penix envy now and until the draft.

[Eddiemac87]

You guys think about Penix all day!

I’m guessing this Penix isn’t flaccid and worth exploring ?

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

You guys think about Penix all day!

I’m guessing this Penix isn’t flaccid and worth exploring ?

I’m still just as high on him, but he hasn’t played well today.

[aberdien]

I’m still just as high on him, but he hasn’t played well today.

That means he'll drop to 12.

Broncos win!

[Simple Jaded]

You’resa’re

Valid point, *bears repeating.

[Simple Jaded]

You guys think about Penix all day!

I’m guessing this Penix isn’t flaccid and worth exploring ?

Broncos need to get their hands on Penix before they decide if he’s flaccid or not. Even if he is flaccid, they may have to suck it up and see what they can get out of it .

[chazoe60]

That escalated quickly.

[Eddiemac87]

Broncos need to get their hands on Penix before they decide if he’s flaccid or not. Even if he is flaccid, they may have to suck it up and see what they can get out of it .

So a face to face with Penix ? ball in hand and see what comes up?

[R8R H8R]

Pros: May have an elite arm with a clean pocket. Reminds me of Stroud in that way. Absolutely awesome against Texas.

Cons: Saw in the Michigan game that when under pressure he wasn’t so elite, and clean pockets aren’t associated with the Broncos OLine. Even though he’s been healthy for 2 yrs, it’s tricky, imo. He looks frail to me, and looked hurt at the end of the game. Wait till he gets hit by Pro DL & LB’s, so idk.

I would like to have him, but would certainly understand why some teams would pass at 12.

[King87]

IMO, it wasn't just the pressure that got to him. It was the fact that Michigan managed pressure while maintaining decent coverage. He should have played better; he missed some throws that were there. He's not an A+ prospect. To me, he looked like a solid first round talent that got his ass kicked. I think he's a modern day Joe Flacco. Not exciting. But solid and a real QB.

[aberdien]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/ba/ce/7dbaced26a6996b9834fb8bf132c2292.jpg

[BroncoNut]

Pros: May have an elite arm with a clean pocket. Reminds me of Stroud in that way. Absolutely awesome against Texas.

Cons: Saw in the Michigan game that when under pressure he wasn’t so elite, and clean pockets aren’t associated with the Broncos OLine. Even though he’s been healthy for 2 yrs, it’s tricky, imo. He looks frail to me, and looked hurt at the end of the game. Wait till he gets hit by Pro DL & LB’s, so idk.

I would like to have him, but would certainly understand why some teams would pass at 12.

Yeah, I think he will be an nfl bust

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/ba/ce/7dbaced26a6996b9834fb8bf132c2292.jpg

The epicness of this can’t be sold short.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

That means he'll drop to 12.

Broncos win!

You have my full attention.

[chazoe60]

Seeing a lot of people saying Bo Nix is a great fit for SP's offense and is a natural fit. Now I'm kinda back into the Nix and crannies more than the Penix, if you know what I mean.

[King87]

My Penix is going deep into your nix’s crannies!

[Hawgdriver]

Fyi MO loves Penix.

[Hawgdriver]

Kiss of death?

I do too.

[aberdien]

Bo Nix seems like a Shanny Jr kind of QB, so Jaded would love that

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Bo Nix seems like a Shanny Jr kind of QB, so Jaded would love that

Nix isn’t as accurate as Pennix.

[UnderArmour]

The injury red flags make him a huge gamble. It will be interesting to see what his stock is after the combine.

[Elevation inc]

Any mock for us should just be CB’s, safeties and TE’s….patons bread and butter..

[Nomad]

The injury red flags make him a huge gamble. It will be interesting to see what his stock is after the combine.

Penix hasn’t been rattled like the NGC since he was at Indiana. His offensive line did a great job protecting him most of the year giving him plenty of time to make those throws. I believe those old injuries are haunting his mind.

I’ll use Bryce Young as an example. He was exceptional at Alabama because his offensive line did the same. Now on a mediocre Panthers team, he is struggling. I get a team has to build around him, but QBs have to adjust to adverse situations. In other words, scrabble around or tuck & run.

[UnderArmour]

Penix hasn’t been rattled like the NGC since he was at Indiana. His offensive line did a great job protecting him most of the year giving him plenty of time to make those throws. I believe those old injuries are haunting his mind.

I’ll use Bryce Young as an example. He was exceptional at Alabama because his offensive line did the same. Now on a mediocre Panthers team, he is struggling. I get a team has to build around him, but QBs have to adjust to adverse situations. In other words, scrabble around or tuck & run.

It's not a matter for me of him being rattled, but my concern is rather the risk of reinjury due to previous injury. A throwing shoulder issue and two ACL tears in his medical makes him have too too many red flags to even have on the draft board. He reminds me of Sam Bradford in this sense. Tremendous potential, but the looming likelihood of reinjury will at some point cause his career to collapse. I would rather not take that kind of gamble on the QB position, especially not with a first round pick.

[Nomad]

It's not a matter for me of him being rattled, but my concern is rather the risk of reinjury due to previous injury. A throwing shoulder issue and two ACL tears in his medical makes him have too too many red flags to even have on the draft board. He reminds me of Sam Bradford in this sense. Tremendous potential, but the looming likelihood of reinjury will at some point cause his career to collapse. I would rather not take that kind of gamble on the QB position, especially not with a first round pick.

I concur.

[R8R H8R]

Seeing a lot of people saying Bo Nix is a great fit for SP's offense and is a natural fit. Now I'm kinda back into the Nix and crannies more than the Penix, if you know what I mean.

I have heard the same thing, but haven’t heard the details of why he is such a great fit. If it’s true, then I don’t have an issue with drafting him.

[Simple Jaded]

So what exactly is “fits the system” for SP?

Nix better have something more to offer than “fits the system”, what does he bring to the table when SP decides he doesn’t want to stick around for rebuild?

[Simple Jaded]

Fyi MO loves Penix.

Welp

Poor kid can’t buy a break.

[Simple Jaded]

To be clear; Nix reads like another Jarret Stidham, that’s not a Shanahan QB. Is he has the 1st round arm talent I don’t see a problem with that pick. But does he, though?

[Nomad]

Fyi MO loves Penix.

I won’t give my opinion about MO in this thread. Penix has a better opinion from me.

[Simple Jaded]

MO is the best of us.

[King87]

Mo is a true gift.

[Nomad]

Oh, jeez.

[aberdien]

Penix > Caleb trash Williams

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[Simple Jaded]

Far too much bullshit about how you don’t have to draft a QB in the 1st round to contend.

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-playoff-schedule-bracket

Ten of the 14 playoff teams are starting a 1st round pick at QB, two other 1st round picks played the majority of the season for playoff teams.

There’s one starting QB left that wasn’t drafted in the 1st round, and that team once traded three 1st round picks to draft a QB.

If you’re able to talk yourself into thinking you can build a SB contender without a 1st round prospect at QB then you’re able to talk yourself into conceding the fact that you’re talking about the exception to the established rule.

[Slick]

Let’s move up and get the kid from LSU. 6’4”, big arm and has good wheels. Williams and Maye are out of reach.

[dogfish]

Let’s move up and get the kid from LSU. 6’4”, big arm and has good wheels. Williams and Maye are out of reach.

Lamar Jackson starter kit. I love Penix as much as the next guy, but putting a dude with his injury history behind an O-line that couldn't hold up for three seconds if their moms were standing back there is an exercise in stupidity. Williams and Daniels are the only QBs in this class that have a hope of surviving with our pass "protection."

[FanInAZ]

Far too much bullshit about how you don’t have to draft a QB in the 1st round to contend.

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-playoff-schedule-bracket

Ten of the 14 playoff teams are starting a 1st round pick at QB, two other 1st round picks played the majority of the season for playoff teams.

There’s one starting QB left that wasn’t drafted in the 1st round, and that team once traded three 1st round picks to draft a QB.

If you’re able to talk yourself into thinking you can build a SB contender without a 1st round prospect at QB then you’re able to talk yourself into conceding the fact that you’re talking about the exception to the established rule.

You forgot to mention that 4 of those 1st round picks were acquired via trade or FA. 3 of them were viewed as disappointments with their previous teams, while the 4th was viewed as washed up and unworthy of a roster spot until there was a sufficient number of QB injuries league wide to make a team desperate enough to call him. So, 8 out of the 14 playoff teams, including 3 of the 8 to make it to the divisional round, didn't get to where they are by following your blueprint of drafting your QB yourself in the 1st round.

[chazoe60]

Lamar Jackson starter kit. I love Penix as much as the next guy, but putting a dude with his injury history behind an O-line that couldn't hold up for three seconds if their moms were standing back there is an exercise in stupidity. Williams and Daniels are the only QBs in this class that have a hope of surviving with our pass "protection."

Nix is good at getting rid of the ball quick and he's athletic. Add him to your list.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

To be clear; Nix reads like another Jarret Stidham, that’s not a Shanahan QB. Is he has the 1st round arm talent I don’t see a problem with that pick. But does he, though?

I don’t see it. I see a second day pick with Nix.

[Simple Jaded]

I don’t see it. I see a second day pick with Nix.

Which is fine too, just don’t waste a premium pick on “Fits the system”. Mac Jones says hi.

[Simple Jaded]

Nix is good at getting rid of the ball quick and he's athletic. Add him to your list.

They already have “good at getting rid of the ball quick and athletic”, don’t they?

Stidham seems to be the only “you don’t have to draft a QB in the 1st round” QB that Broncos fans refuse to consider.

[Simple Jaded]

I was fine with Nix until PFF says he’s perfect for Sean Payton, so many things to unpack in that statement but I’ll stop at PFF.

[Canmore]

Which is fine too, just don’t waste a premium pick on “Fits the system”. Mac Jones says hi.

Watched Nix all season as I watch Oregon football. I'll take Nix...you can have mustache man.

[Simple Jaded]

You forgot to mention that 4 of those 1st round picks were acquired via trade or FA. 3 of them were viewed as disappointments with their previous teams, while the 4th was viewed as washed up and unworthy of a roster spot until there was a sufficient number of QB injuries league wide to make a team desperate enough to call him. So, 8 out of the 14 playoff teams, including 3 of the 8 to make it to the divisional round, didn't get to where they are by following your blueprint of drafting your QB yourself in the 1st round.

I’m talking about 1st round talent, Troll, I’m talking about the “1st round talent level” blueprint.

I didn’t forget to mention shit, if I didn’t mention something it’s because I didn’t want to.

[Simple Jaded]

Again; 10 of the 14 starting QB’s in the NFL Playoffs were drafted in the 1st round of the NFL Selection Draft. Don’t overthink it, Robert Frost fails to make the playoffs 72% of the time.

[Simple Jaded]

Watched Nix all season as I watch Oregon football. I'll take Nix...you can have mustache man.

I hate mustache man, you can have both.

[FanInAZ]

I’m talking about 1st round talent, Troll, I’m talking about the “1st round talent level” blueprint.

I didn’t forget to mention shit, if I didn’t mention something it’s because I didn’t want to.

You’re right about one thing, you didn’t forget about those 4 QBs, you’re so singularly focused on your belief that we must draft a QB in the 1st round that you’ve blinded yourself to the fact that there are other paths to the SB. In fact, you are one of those who wanted us to tank in order that we could draft in the top 5 because you believe drafting a QB you that high is the only way we will ever break out of our cycle of mediocrity. This, in spite of the fact so many teams have found other ways to win SBs finding their QBs, in ways other then the one you believe is the only correct way, that you can’t keep calling these flukes.

[Simple Jaded]

You’re right about one thing, you didn’t forget about those 4 QBs, you’re so singularly focused on your belief that we must draft a QB in the 1st round that you’ve blinded yourself to the fact that there are other paths to the SB. In fact, you are one of those who wanted us to tank in order that we could draft in the top 5 because you believe drafting a QB you that high is the only way we will ever break out of our cycle of mediocrity. This, in spite of the fact so many teams have found other ways to win SBs finding their QBs, in ways other then the one you believe is the only correct way, that you can’t keep calling these flukes.
Most of this is true, and I’m spot on right.

When SF wins a SB with Brock Purdy it will literally be a fairytale ending . . . literally a fairytale ending. The very definition of a “fluke“.

Also, I have literally never said that drafting a quarterback in the first round is “the only correct way”.

I am not wrong, good luck with your fairytale.

[Simple Jaded]

Again; 10 of the 14 starting QB’s in the NFL Playoffs were drafted in the 1st round of the NFL Selection Draft. Don’t overthink it, Robert Frost fails to make the playoffs 72% of the time.

And that’s just to make the playoffs.

I am not wrong.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I’ll pass on Nix, unless we can have him in the 5th

[Slick]

Kiper has Williams, Maye and Daniels going 1,2,3 with the Bears keeping that number one pick. In that scenario, are we interested in Fields for a 2nd or 3rd round pick?

[Elevation inc]

Kiper has Williams, Maye and Daniels going 1,2,3 with the Bears keeping that number one pick. In that scenario, are we interested in Fields for a 2nd or 3rd round pick?

He is right it will take a top 5 pick to get 1 of the 3, which means less draft capital, which means even less chances our crap GM can make a good pick.....The bears won't let fields go for anything less than 2 1st rd. picks at a min.

[Slick]

He is right it will take a top 5 pick to get 1 of the 3, which means less draft capital, which means even less chances our crap GM can make a good pick.....The bears won't let fields go for anything less than 2 1st rd. picks at a min.

2 firsts for Fields? lol. No way they get that.

[BroncoJoe]

2 firsts for Fields? lol. No way they get that.

Yeah - that's crazy talk. Especially if they pick a QB. Talk fire sale on Fields.

[R8R H8R]

FWIIW, other than the big 3, Mel Kiper in his 1st mock in 2024 has JJ McCarthy as the only other QB to go in 1st round; and that was to the Seahawks. He had the Broncos taking a LB. In other words, he had Penix & Nix going after the 1st round. I don't agree with that, but these things are going to change weekly once we get to the Shrine/Senior Bowl, Combine, and Pro Days, so it'll be interesting to follow it.

[BroncoJoe]

Has Mel Kiper ever been right?

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Has Mel Kiper ever been right?

Only when he chose his hairstyle and shades, at least that’s what King frequently says.

[Elevation inc]

2 firsts for Fields? lol. No way they get that.

If I was the bears I keep fields, trade the pick for a king's ransom, and build around him more. Thats smart roster management. It's the bears though, so yeah, they probably will trade fields for a 4th rd. conditional and draft one of the 3 QB's.....and because they can't develop QB's or build around the QB much like Denver they will rinse and repeat in a couple years......

[Elevation inc]

Our Qb room next year:

Stidham
Teddy B
Some Rookie project for SP after rd 3.....

[Eddiemac87]

If I was the bears I keep fields, trade the pick for a king's ransom, and build around him more. Thats smart roster management. It's the bears though, so yeah, they probably will trade fields for a 4th rd. conditional and draft one of the 3 QB's.....and because they can't develop QB's or build around the QB much like Denver they will rinse and repeat in a couple years......

I think if this was fields second year they keep him, but the idea of a cheaper high pick rookie for 4 years entices them into making the pick.

I agree with you in that they have essentially 2 years left on the rookie deal, a ton of high picks available to use or trade… build around him and see what shakes out. At least if he craps out they have built a team.

[dogfish]

Yep. They should be taking Marvin Harrison Jr and Joe Alt.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Our Qb room next year:

Stidham
Teddy B
Some Rookie project for SP after rd 3.....

You shut your pie hole!

[Elevation inc]

You shut your pie hole!

sorry not sorry lol.....even worse what if the rookie doesn't happen and he gets Taysom hill in here....championship.....:lol:

[dogfish]

I see your #MiseryPorn and raise you.

Drew Lock, Paxton Lynch, and Brent Rypien. Boom!

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I see your #MiseryPorn and raise you.

Drew Lock, Paxton Lynch, and Brent Rypien. Boom!

It’s Brett green horn, jeesh.

[aberdien]

Somebody said bring in Sam Darnold.

We are screwed.

[Elevation inc]

I see your #MiseryPorn and raise you.

Drew Lock, Paxton Lynch, and Brent Rypien. Boom!

I don't like being 1 upped...well played.....

[Elevation inc]

I see your #MiseryPorn and raise you.

Drew Lock, Paxton Lynch, and Brent Rypien. Boom!

Is realitty misery porn or just reality...asking for a friend.....:cool::D

[Simple Jaded]

Somebody said bring in Sam Darnold.

We are screwed.

Sam Darnold > Jarrett Stidham

#ReallyScrewed

[Simple Jaded]

Yep. They should be taking Marvin Harrison Jr and Joe Alt.

Ola Fashanu > Alt

[Simple Jaded]

If you can get a premium pick for Fields you have to trade him, it’s just smart roster management.

[Elevation inc]

If you can get a premium pick for Fields you have to trade him, it’s just smart roster management.

True, it is the bears though. Word on the street is Daniels has more love for 1st overall then Williams right now with a number of teams........Charlie Campbell believes all 3 of Daniels, Willaims and Maye are gone by pick 5. Leaving McCarthy and then penix and nix later in rd 1. There is actually a belief all 6 will be gone before pick 20.

[Elevation inc]

Sam Darnold > Jarrett Stidham

#ReallyScrewed

They will bring in Teddy B and Taysom hill in before any other vet :lol: SP's comments on Teddy made me want to barf. I pray its Stidham and a Rookie draft pick, but I have zero faith in that so they can achieve there 9-8 ceiling with Stidham or Teddy B. If money really is an issue, they should draft McCarthy, Penix or Nix on a cheaper rookie deal and build around him. Take the lumps next year starting the youth till the Russ Wilson albatross is over.

[Eddiemac87]

I think Teddy is retiring ! Saw something on that he said this was it ..

[chazoe60]

I'm hearing not too good rumors about his work ethic. IDK. Take it with a grain of salt, it was Lammey.

There's also reports that the Broncos are planning something big at the top of the draft. I can't dream up a scenario that gets us into the top 3, we don't have the capital. My guess is it's more about a move up to the 7-10 range for Bo Nix. I think We can basically look at this draft as starting from pick 3, the top 3 QBs are all but locked in at those spots, so Nix is going to shoot up draft boards as QB 4 but essentially QB1 for the 29 teams in the draft. That's how I'm thinking about it. I really think Nix is going to shoot up boards. He's going to look very good in workouts and do extremely well in interviews.

Just my crazy way too early draft thoughts.

[dogfish]

Yeah, Cecil is flapping his gums about Drake Maye, but I absolutely can't see any scenario where we'd be able to get up that high. I really think that's just Payton working the media so that he can tell fans "we tried."

[chazoe60]

Yeah, that's the most likely scenario. I just can't see how we'd move up anywhere near the top 5 let alone the top 3, especially in this weird draft that IMO is really going to start at pick 4 except for maybe a few teams in the top 6 or so who might move up.

[Elevation inc]

I think Teddy is retiring ! Saw something on that he said this was it ..

I pray this is true.

[Elevation inc]

Yeah, Cecil is flapping his gums about Drake Maye, but I absolutely can't see any scenario where we'd be able to get up that high. I really think that's just Payton working the media so that he can tell fans "we tried."

This, not a chance we have what it takes to move up into the top 3. If we want a QB it will be McCarthy, Penix or Nix......my guess is we go with a TE or CB, maybe even a safety though :elefant: :lol:

[Eddiemac87]

I pray this is true.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/teddy-bridgewater-plans-to-retire-after-2023-season

Prayers answered?

[chazoe60]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/teddy-bridgewater-plans-to-retire-after-2023-season

Prayers answered?

I don't know who I hated watching more Bitchwater or Orton. Both have given me PTSD. Seriously at this point I'd trade everything including 100 Walmart franchises and 15 of those Walmart shopping bags to the Bears for the #1 pick. Look at what we see every freaking year. We have beat Mahomes one ******* time. ONCE!!!!!! If that isn't a slap of reality then I don't know what is. In the NFL in 2023 you are nothing without a FQB. There are the one off teams that can put it together for a season with a game manager and generational performances at other aspects ie. SB50 Champion Broncos and their D, but that is not a sustainable model. The only sustainable model for long term success in the NFL is to have a FQB, the freakier the better. I'd offer any players off our roster (name them, they are yours) and 3 1sts if you think Williams is a Mahomes or Allen type. It's our only chance to compete on a regular basis for the next decade plus. We will be watching Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and those guys play in January while we go ice fishing.

[aberdien]

Sounds like the kind of guy Simple Jaded would want.

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[Elevation inc]

Sounds like the kind of guy Simple Jaded would want.

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The rumor mill is heating up with this link. I already called that our rookie QB would be 3rd rd. or later so this wouldn't Suprise me at all. I mean we need those first 2 picks for CB and TE or S.......AMIRITE?

[chazoe60]

The rumor mill is heating up with this link. I already called that our rookie QB would be 3rd rd. or later so this wouldn't Suprise me at all. I mean we need those first 2 picks for CB and TE or S.......AMIRITE?

We don't have a 2nd round pick.

[dogfish]

I don't know who I hated watching more Bitchwater or Orton. Both have given me PTSD. Seriously at this point I'd trade everything including 100 Walmart franchises and 15 of those Walmart shopping bags to the Bears for the #1 pick. Look at what we see every freaking year. We have beat Mahomes one ******* time. ONCE!!!!!! If that isn't a slap of reality then I don't know what is. In the NFL in 2023 you are nothing without a FQB. There are the one off teams that can put it together for a season with a game manager and generational performances at other aspects ie. SB50 Champion Broncos and their D, but that is not a sustainable model. The only sustainable model for long term success in the NFL is to have a FQB, the freakier the better. I'd offer any players off our roster (name them, they are yours) and 3 1sts if you think Williams is a Mahomes or Allen type. It's our only chance to compete on a regular basis for the next decade plus. We will be watching Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and those guys play in January while we go ice fishing.

Agreed on all points. Shoulda tanked hard after the Miami loss.

[chazoe60]

Agreed on all points. Shoulda tanked hard after the Miami loss.

Yeah. Should have started DiNucci or whatever the **** his name is.

If you could choose any of the QBs which would you pick?

[dogfish]

Yeah. Should have started DiNucci or whatever the **** his name is.

If you could choose any of the QBs which would you pick?

Can't say that I've looked at them all that closely (too depressing), but probably Drake Maye. I think he's likely the best pocket passer of the group, and short QBs make me nervous after this whole Russ fiasco.

[dogfish]

The rumor mill is heating up with this link. I already called that our rookie QB would be 3rd rd. or later so this wouldn't Suprise me at all. I mean we need those first 2 picks for CB and TE or S.......AMIRITE?

Sweet. Draft another Drew Lock, waste the next year or two pretending to try to develop him, and after his inevitable and utterly predictable failure, they've got the perfect justification for pivoting to another Teddy. Bloody fvcking brilliant! I can't believe no one else ever thought of this before.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I'm hearing not too good rumors about his work ethic. IDK. Take it with a grain of salt, it was Lammey.

There's also reports that the Broncos are planning something big at the top of the draft. I can't dream up a scenario that gets us into the top 3, we don't have the capital. My guess is it's more about a move up to the 7-10 range for Bo Nix. I think We can basically look at this draft as starting from pick 3, the top 3 QBs are all but locked in at those spots, so Nix is going to shoot up draft boards as QB 4 but essentially QB1 for the 29 teams in the draft. That's how I'm thinking about it. I really think Nix is going to shoot up boards. He's going to look very good in workouts and do extremely well in interviews.

Just my crazy way too early draft thoughts.

I will be sick to my stomach if we draft Nix earlier than the 4th round. I’ve watched close to half a dozen of his games between Auburn and Oregon.

[Simple Jaded]

Sounds like the kind of guy Simple Jaded would want.

1752839429826220147

Marginal physical talent across the board, I’ll pass. If they can’t land a 1st round QB prospect then they have no business drafting a QB.

My guess is every Sean Payton in the NFL is looking for the next Brock Purdy.

Sounds like a good time to find other interests.

[Simple Jaded]

I will be sick to my stomach if we draft Nix earlier than the 4th round. I’ve watched close to half a dozen of his games between Auburn and Oregon.

Yeah but PFF says he “fits the system”, and every Sean Payton in the NFL is looking for their Brock Purdy.

[Elevation inc]

We don't have a 2nd round pick.

We will when we trade back instead of taking a QB. We will draft a TE, S or CB mid 1st, do the same in the 2nd rd then draft our future QB in rd 3....That QB will compete with Stidham and some other scrub for SP's adoration and love :lol:

and we will yet again Ignore edge, ILB, and the OL and DL lines as usual. I mean who doesn't love their CB's and safeties that don't see the field and their TE's that can't play on run downs or stay healthy.....

[Elevation inc]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/cap/

I urge everyone to look at our cap outlook for next year and understand how rough 2024 truly is, and how bad of a hole we were put into. If Russ is designated June 1st cut the dead cap is 35.4 mil, we also have dead cap of 11 mil for Gregory, Clark and McManus. 4 players costing us 46 mil in dead cap alone....

This team is going to get some 3rd and 4th tier FA's and 6 draft picks. Our QB is going to be Stidham vs a rookie 3rd rd. Qb or lower and probably Dinucci come to think of it. Just accept 2024 is going to be rough at QB no matter what SP and the FO try to sell you. Only way we compete next year is if SP and staff do one of the best coaching jobs of his career, and we finally get some ROI on our draft picks and FA's Paton acquired last few years.....I won't hold my breath to be honest.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Yeah but PFF says he “fits the system”, and every Sean Payton in the NFL is looking for their Brock Purdy.

Payton likes quarterbacks who are accurate. When he was in Harsins system he didn’t look accurate, at least not on the NFL level. Oregon has been making quarterbacks look elite for over a decade. Teams have to focus on stopping their running game and it leaves receivers wide open.

[chazoe60]

The bummer thing is that this would be a great year to be drafting at 12 and not needing a QB. Because the top three are all most likely going to be QB a bunch of good talent will still be available at 12. There's going to be a run on QB and WR early in this draft and some extremely good edge talent and CB talent will fall. Could you imagine how nice it would be to have the luxury of drafting another lockdown CB to pair with PS2 or if Bowers somehow fell to 12 and we could nab ab almost sure thing decade long top end of the league TE. Or grab a Dallas Turner.

It's kinda shaping up to be a shit show of horrible timing.

[dogfish]

I will be sick to my stomach if we draft Nix earlier than the 4th round. I’ve watched close to half a dozen of his games between Auburn and Oregon.

Somebody had to say it.

My man!

[aberdien]

Draft BPA and stick with Stidham, we can drop Russ and find some other journeyman backup

[dogfish]

Draft BPA and stick with Stidham, we can drop Russ and find some other journeyman backup

Unless one of the top three falls to us (they won't), this is the way.

[chazoe60]

Draft BPA and stick with Stidham, we can drop Russ and find some other journeyman backup

No. That's how we end up picking 8-15 again next season and the trend continues as we watch the GOAT ass-rape us twice a season for the next decade. If we draft BPA I hope it comes with signing Baker or Kirk or something, which I don't see because of our cap sitch. We either swing big, trade the farm for a generational guy if you think one of these guys is generational. Or, you draft the guy you think can be a FQB of the guys left at 12 or trade back gain some draft capital and draft a developmental type QB.

Another out of the box idea might be to trade the #12 pick for 2025 draft capital, (preferably from a team who we think is going to suck something fierce). And set ourselves up for a run at a top QB in the next draft.

To me drafting BPA and rolling with Stidham is essentially throwing in the towel and will result in another year of the same.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Maybe we can trade our first to the Bears…

[aberdien]

No. That's how we end up picking 8-15 again next season and the trend continues as we watch the GOAT ass-rape us twice a season for the next decade. If we draft BPA I hope it comes with signing Baker or Kirk or something, which I don't see because of our cap sitch. We either swing big, trade the farm for a generational guy if you think one of these guys is generational. Or, you draft the guy you think can be a FQB of the guys left at 12 or trade back gain some draft capital and draft a developmental type QB.

Another out of the box idea might be to trade the #12 pick for 2025 draft capital, (preferably from a team who we think is going to suck something fierce). And set ourselves up for a run at a top QB in the next draft.

To me drafting BPA and rolling with Stidham is essentially throwing in the towel and will result in another year of the same.

BPA + Stidham is a 1 year commitment. Drafting a "developmental type" QB will likely leave us with a 2-3 year commitment. Either get a top guy or wait a year until we have the draft capital/player capital to get a top guy.

[sneakers]

Never trust anyone who's left handed.

[chazoe60]

By developmental QB I'm referring to a 3rd rnd or later type. That type of QB is not a commitment of any years if you end up with a high first and a true FQB prospect is there for the taking. I have been of the opinion that unless your team has a FQB you should draft a QB in the draft every year, even if it's just throwing a 7th rnd pick at a D2 guy or something. If you don't have a QB you don't really have a chance.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Never trust anyone who's left handed.

Ahem…….

[Hawgdriver]

Ahem…….

sneakers is left handed!

paradox!

[BroncoJoe]

Lefties (like me) are in their right mind.

[BroncoNut]

Lefties (like me) are in their right mind.

FJB and the snowflakes like you that support him.

Just kidding, Ikwym

[BroncoJoe]

FJB and the snowflakes like you that support him.

Just kidding, Ikwym

Just in case you haven't noticed, I about the furthest thing from being a snowflake! :)

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I too am left handed!

[Simple Jaded]

Just in case you haven't noticed, I about the furthest thing from being a snowflake! :)

I doubt that.

[Simple Jaded]

BPA + Stidham is a 1 year commitment. Drafting a "developmental type" QB will likely leave us with a 2-3 year commitment. Either get a top guy or wait a year until we have the draft capital/player capital to get a top guy.

The biggest flaw in your argument is that the Broncos won’t be any closer to the Top 3 QB’s in next year’s draft and you’ll still be deluding yourself into thinking that 8-9 wins is somehow meaningful.

Lather, rinse repeat

[Simple Jaded]

Show of hands; who still thinks the Broncos ‘23 record means dick?

You’ve already forgotten about ‘23, you literally can’t remember a single “win” and none of it means anything anymore.

I ******* told you.

[Nomad]

Show of hands; who still thinks the Broncos ‘23 record means dick?

You’ve already forgotten about ‘23, you literally can’t remember a single “win” and none of it means anything anymore.

I ******* told you.

Link, I concur.

[chazoe60]

Show of hands; who still thinks the Broncos ‘23 record means dick?

You’ve already forgotten about ‘23, you literally can’t remember a single “win” and none of it means anything anymore.

I ******* told you.

How much more excited would Bronco fans be if say we went 3-14 instead of 8-9 and we're sitting here talking about which one we wanted to go with Williams or Maye? How many Bronco fans would make that trade straight up? I sure as **** would.

[Nomad]

Broncos will never have a QBOTF until they break the Elway curse. Just saying.

[King87]

Show of hands; who still thinks the Broncos ‘23 record means dick?

You’ve already forgotten about ‘23, you literally can’t remember a single “win” and none of it means anything anymore.

I ******* told you.

When it comes to long-term thinking, roster management, and being a moron, this man is one of the true GOATs.

Yeah, he can't do basic multiplication, but he can tell tell you which franchises are stuck in the mud, more often than not.

[Elevation inc]

The biggest flaw in your argument is that the Broncos won’t be any closer to the Top 3 QB’s in next year’s draft and you’ll still be deluding yourself into thinking that 8-9 wins is somehow meaningful.

Lather, rinse repeat

Agreed we will probably be avg again with our 8 or 9 wins and have to trade up in a shit QB class just to have a shot at sanders or someone else....We lack capital and FA dollars to compete next year......

[dogfish]

This is going to be a process. A long one. Which is why they were fools not to start it last year. Of course, looking at what Payton did in New Orleans after Brees retired, he's never going to start it.

[chazoe60]

I don't think Penix is a great fit for SP. He lives deep and outside the numbers for the most part. He also does not do great under pressure. I like the kid tremendously and would root like Hell for him but I don't see a great fit there. However, if we draft him I will defer to SP, he obviously knows more than a sparky from the hills.

If we could get the vs. Texas Penix way more than the vs. Michigan Penix, sign me up, but the vs. Michigan Penix seems like the more likely outcome. They dared him to throw short and intermediate and he couldn't do it very well at all. There was another game film of his I watched too, can't remember who Texas Tech maybe, it was a team with a bad record but they gave Penix fits because they just blitzed the Hell out of him and he looked all out of sorts. That's the biggest worry I have about him. Everyone was stoked by his 40 time, me included but when analyzed with the proper context it means nothing. He rushed for 8 yards last season.

[chazoe60]

This is going to be a process. A long one. Which is why they were fools not to start it last year. Of course, looking at what Payton did in New Orleans after Brees retired, he's never going to start it.

We didn't have the draft picks to truly start anything. We could have slashed and burnt the roster, I suppose that is your point. IMHO the biggest mistake we made was not changing gears after the Miami loss. Should have benched Russ then and fired VJ/promoted Christian Parker. Would have killed 2 birds with one stone. Get almost an entire season of Stidham so SP could cure himself of that weird ass obsession and kept one of the hottest young defensive coaches in the league. We'd also probably be drafting a lot closer to the #5 spot instead of once again(the biggest factor holding this franchise back) picking in the no-man's land of NFL draft suckage. You can get great players at that 8-16 range but when you are year in year out drafting in those spots it's because you're team sucks but not enough to do anything really meaningful about it, at least where QB is concerned.

[Hawgdriver]

I don't think Penix is a great fit for SP. He lives deep and outside the numbers for the most part. He also does not do great under pressure. I like the kid tremendously and would root like Hell for him but I don't see a great fit there. However, if we draft him I will defer to SP, he obviously knows more than a sparky from the hills.

If we could get the vs. Texas Penix way more than the vs. Michigan Penix, sign me up, but the vs. Michigan Penix seems like the more likely outcome. They dared him to throw short and intermediate and he couldn't do it very well at all. There was another game film of his I watched too, can't remember who Texas Tech maybe, it was a team with a bad record but they gave Penix fits because they just blitzed the Hell out of him and he looked all out of sorts. That's the biggest worry I have about him. Everyone was stoked by his 40 time, me included but when analyzed with the proper context it means nothing. He rushed for 8 yards last season.

Well crap.

I still like the kid but it's purely about his style.

[King87]

It’s all about style, Hawg.

The disrespect shown to me there will not go unpunished.

You won’t know when, but you’ll know why.

[Bronco Yoda]

Installing a lefty can really be a mixed bag. Some receivers have trouble with the different spin. It's also really weird for the RB's changing the hand-off exchange. And of course you'll need to draft a top RT then. ...not to mention it's then best to have lefty backup QB's then also. You're committing yourself to a lefty system that really changes many of the moving parts of the offense.

[chazoe60]

Installing a lefty can really be a mixed bag. Some receivers have trouble with the different spin. It's also really weird for the RB's changing the hand-off exchange. And of course you'll need to draft a top RT then. ...not to mention it's then best to have lefty backup QB's then also. You're committing yourself to a lefty system that really changes many of the moving parts of the offense.

I assume a bunch of schematic changes as well, different rollouts, route trees swapping sides etc.....

And if we draft Penix we have to make sure we have one of the best OLs in the NFL because he does not fare well when pressured.

[dogfish]

I assume a bunch of schematic changes as well, different rollouts, route trees swapping sides etc.....

And if we draft Penix we have to make sure we have one of the best OLs in the NFL because he does not fare well when pressured.

If that's the case, we have zero business drafting him.

[aberdien]

so, we don't love penix?

[chazoe60]

so, we don't love penix?

After more study I am down on him. He has many issues IMO. There are quite a few breakdowns showing his struggles with pressure and his inconsistent accuracy especially when moved off of his spot. The ASU and Michigan game films are good examples of what I think he is going to look like in the pros.

[chazoe60]

https://youtu.be/BSiBKOD1quM?si=edXRD_SyZzBTiano

[chazoe60]

This is a good breakdown.

https://youtu.be/7xjbL2ODLvE?si=4F8qWg6jVswBOm_q

[Bronco Yoda]

A hard 'HELL NO' on Penix.

All things considering... the juice isn't worth the squeeze

[dogfish]

A hard 'HELL NO' on Penix.

All things considering... the juice isn't worth the squeeze

Certainly not with a high pick. If he fell to the third round, fine, but I wouldn't take him any higher than that. After four season-ending injuries? Screw that.

[Bronco Yoda]

Certainly not with a high pick. If he fell to the third round, fine, but I wouldn't take him any higher than that. After four season-ending injuries? Screw that.

I would take a 3rd round flier on Rattler before Penix.

[chazoe60]

I would take a 3rd round flier on Rattler before Penix.

I'm pretty close to that opinion as well. I'm a little terrified that SP likes Penix. I hope not, but also as I have said before if SP picks him I'll be interested to see how wrong I hopefully am. I kinda hope the Raiders take him. If we can generate even a hint of pressure we'll get 2 wins a year out of the deal.