Jets hire former Broncos coach Nathaniel Hackett as new OC

[Denver Native (Carol)]

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The New York Jets ended their two-week search for an offensive coordinator, hiring former Denver Broncos coach Nathaniel Hackett on Thursday -- a move that will fuel speculation about a potential Aaron Rodgers trade.

Hackett, who replaces Mike LaFleur, served as the Green Bay Packers' offensive coordinator from 2019 to 2021 and developed a good relationship with Rodgers, whose future in Green Bay appears uncertain. The Jets are expected to be in the market for a veteran quarterback. Coach Robert Saleh interviewed seven known candidates for the position, opting for a veteran coach with extensive playcalling experience and someone he knows well. They worked together on the Jacksonville Jaguars' staff in 2015 and 2016.

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[NightTrainLayne]

Jets organization is going to "Jet".

[Buff]

It's funny now listening to the NY media who destroyed Hackett all season now making excuses for him.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1618648748204376065

Apparently him being completely hapless was political.

[Davii]

It's funny now listening to the NY media who destroyed Hackett all season now making excuses for him.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1618648748204376065

Apparently him being completely hapless was political.

Political? That's hilarious. It's a political decision in the same vein that "Vermin Supreme" not winning a primary is a political decision. Sure, there was a level of politics involved, but a LOT more common sense than politics.

[Hawgdriver]

Apparently him being completely hapless was political.

Maybe it was. This shit can get "political."

I was never 100 out on VJ, Fangio, or Hackett. They were hired to be a HC for a reason.

They failed.

They are also extremely capable individuals in a certain setting. In a certain setting that is analogous to being a head coach.

I am way less aggro on the HC failures than most.

I don't want them back or anything. My point is that the nuance is subtle and not worth this over the top reaction.

But what really drives me up the MF wall is that it feels like our last few HCs, even Kubiak, going all the way back to Shanahan, who was not this way, have been slow processors. In terms of game management, stress, and tactics.

They have all been shitty blitz chess players.

[Hawgdriver]

Political? That's hilarious. It's a political decision in the same vein that "Vermin Supreme" not winning a primary is a political decision. Sure, there was a level of politics involved, but a LOT more common sense than politics.

Political in the sense that two people with authority disagree, and consensus--not necessarily logic--is a factor in winning and losing.

[aberdien]

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1618659095443275776?s=20&t=QJLEwpZdJgrP2GVPAjBNsQ

[BroncoWave]

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1618659095443275776?s=20&t=QJLEwpZdJgrP2GVPAjBNsQ

This is your second good post this week. What has gotten into you?

[aberdien]

This is your second good post this week. What has gotten into you?

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[Buff]

Maybe it was. This shit can get "political."

I was never 100 out on VJ, Fangio, or Hackett. They were hired to be a HC for a reason.

They failed.

They are also extremely capable individuals in a certain setting. In a certain setting that is analogous to being a head coach.

I am way less aggro on the HC failures than most.

I don't want them back or anything. My point is that the nuance is subtle and not worth this over the top reaction.

But what really drives me up the MF wall is that it feels like our last few HCs, even Kubiak, going all the way back to Shanahan, who was not this way, have been slow processors. In terms of game management, stress, and tactics.

They have all been shitty blitz chess players.

In general, I tend to agree with this sentiment. Coaches are scapegoated too quickly in the NFL - and rarely are they actually as bad they are portrayed after a losing run. And also, teams do a really poor job identifying good coaching talent.

That said, I do think there is sort of an imaginary floor or threshold that you just can't dip below as a head coach. That's why Hackett's clock management blunders in Seattle were so catastrophic. If your national TV debut is a series of unconventional low odds maneuvers that everyone collectively agrees are suboptimal - it's nearly impossible to recover from that - that's now your brand. Is that political or is that being held accountable for poor performance?

Along those same lines, I remain convinced that Nick Sirianni is an idiot and I don't see how he could possibly be a good coach. I've just seen one too many meathead moments from him to ever trust him - whereas I think Brandon Staley is a good coach with some bad luck. Josh McDaniels is a brilliant offensive mind and a total ******** who people don't like. So it's not an exact science.

[Hawgdriver]

In general, I tend to agree with this sentiment. Coaches are scapegoated too quickly in the NFL - and rarely are they actually as bad they are portrayed after a losing run. And also, teams do a really poor job identifying good coaching talent.

That said, I do think there is sort of an imaginary floor or threshold that you just can't dip below as a head coach. That's why Hackett's clock management blunders in Seattle were so catastrophic. If your national TV debut is a series of unconventional low odds maneuvers that everyone collectively agrees are suboptimal - it's nearly impossible to recover from that - that's now your brand. Is that political or is that being held accountable for poor performance?

Along those same lines, I remain convinced that Nick Sirianni is an idiot and I don't see how he could possibly be a good coach. I've just seen one too many meathead moments from him to ever trust him - whereas I think Brandon Staley is a good coach with some bad luck. Josh McDaniels is a brilliant offensive mind and a total ******** who people don't like. So it's not an exact science.

It's incredible how $$$ the NFL is in terms of market cap, and how bad they are at identifying good QBs and HCs.

[BroncoWave]

It's incredible how $$$ the NFL is in terms of market cap, and how bad they are at identifying good QBs and HCs.

Ultimately I think NFL HC and QB are just such complicated jobs that there's just no way to know how anyone will do until they actually do it.

[Buff]

It's incredible how $$$ the NFL is in terms of market cap, and how bad they are at identifying good QBs and HCs.

I feel like of all the professional sports, the NBA has seen the fastest transition from old guard owners to an infusion of new smart money - and it's changed the way the game is played and teams are built. You're seeing that more slowly in the NFL. I think it's also harder in the NFL because sample sizes are smaller -- but clearly they are not good at this...


NFL officials have informed the owners of the league's 32 franchises that teams have spent $800 million on fired coaches and front-office executives over the past five years, league sources told ESPN.

The message, delivered this past week at the owners meetings in Dallas, was sent by the league as a reminder that as some franchises mull significant changes at the end of the season, hundreds of millions of dollars have been squandered recently by teams that may need to act less hastily.

NFL officials went so far as to compose spreadsheets specific to each team about the employees they fired and the costs incurred by the team, according to sources. The league wanted each team to see the exact cost.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35271981/sources-nfl-teams-spent-800m-fired-coaches-execs-last-5-years

[BroncoWave]

I feel like of all the professional sports, the NBA has seen the fastest transition from old guard owners to an infusion of new smart money - and it's changed the way the game is played and teams are built. You're seeing that more slowly in the NFL. I think it's also harder in the NFL because sample sizes are smaller -- but clearly they are not good at this...



https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35271981/sources-nfl-teams-spent-800m-fired-coaches-execs-last-5-years

It's also just easier to project NBA talent. Like, oh you're 6'9, have great handles and can shoot threes? Pretty good chance you'll be a really good NBA player. An NFL QB can be fast, built like a Greek God, have a rocket arm, all the tools imaginable, but if they can't handle the mental side, then they might as well be a total scrub. At least in basketball even if you have zero of the mental side, you can still be halfway serviceable just by out sizing/athleting people. I just don't think it's a fair comparison.

[Tbolt]

Ultimately I think NFL HC and QB are just such complicated jobs that there's just no way to know how anyone will do until they actually do it.

This is the hazard with going unproven the last three times and getting the wrong guy each time. There was no real way to predict how they would do. I mean, I expected VJ to flame out and he did, but I also thought Fangio would have been better than he was. I don't know what the hell happened with Hackett. It was one gaff after another, mostly in front of a national audience. He lost me when he bent the knee to Melvin Gordon though. I knew then he was not the guy for the job.

[BroncoWave]

This is the hazard with going unproven the last three times and getting the wrong guy each time. There was no real way to predict how they would do. I mean, I expected VJ to flame out and he did, but I also thought Fangio would have been better than he was. I don't know what the hell happened with Hackett. It was one gaff after another, mostly in front of a national audience. He lost me when he bent the knee to Melvin Gordon though. I knew then he was not the guy for the job.

What's the other choice though? Guys who were head coaches and failed? Harbaugh ain't walking through that door, and the Payton ship seems to be sailing too. If you can't get a proven successful coach, you're left choosing between unknowns and proven failures. There's validity to going with the higher upside of a total unknown, knowing it comes with the downside of being a disaster.

[Tbolt]

What's the other choice though? Guys who were head coaches and failed? Harbaugh ain't walking through that door, and the Payton ship seems to be sailing too. If you can't get a proven successful coach, you're left choosing between unknowns and proven failures. There's validity to going with the higher upside of a total unknown, knowing it comes with the downside of being a disaster.

We could have hired Pederson/Quinn last year.

There was/is Reich, Harbaugh, Payton, Quinn, Caldwell, Morris as possibilities this year.

Shanahan, Fox, Kubiak all had a track record before we hired them.

It's not impossible. Kind of strange we have repeated the process three straight hires though.

[Simple Jaded]

They should hire Bert Berry as OL Coach, he had Salah ties too, retribution tour.

[Buff]

https://twitter.com/RotoPat/status/1619021795490947073