Hackett Playcalling and Game Management

[Buff]

If I'm trying to spin this positively, it's hard to imagine a coach having much worse of an opening two games on the game management front and somehow we're 1-1. Hopefully we see some drastic improvement.

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1572248988748759040

[BroncoWave]

As far as the red zone woes specifically, I'm not sure it's totally fair to blame the playcalling on that. If those two fumbles week 1 go the other way and Sutton gets a foot in bounds this week, those numbers look a lot more different. I think the failure to get TDs down there has largely been bad luck and will even out over a larger sample size.

The offense has mostly moved the ball decently enough through two games. I'm far more concerned with the game management in crucial clock situations. That needs to get fixed big time.

[BroncoWave]

As far as the red zone woes specifically, I'm not sure it's totally fair to blame the playcalling on that. If those two fumbles week 1 go the other way and Sutton gets a foot in bounds this week, those numbers look a lot more different. I think the failure to get TDs down there has largely been bad luck and will even out over a larger sample size.

The offense has mostly moved the ball decently enough through two games. I'm far more concerned with the game management in crucial clock situations. That needs to get fixed big time.

One more point, if I'm ranking our big 3 issues on offense, I'd rank them as following:

1. Playclock/time management
2. Penalties
3. Playcalling

The playcalling could improve in spots, sure, but of the things that are issues, I think that's the least of an issue.

[Davii]

We've gained more yards per drive than anyone else to this point. The playcalling issue, IMO is in the red zone and specifically with goal-to-go.

I REALLY hope coach is learning and growing, I am not ready to say anything should be taken off his plate, he's a rookie and deserves the opportunity to learn and grow. I would LOVE to see a mentor brought in, some old grizzled vet to be there as a sounding board or be an advisor, etc.

Even that though, let's give Coach the time he needs. If we're still regularly seeing these issues at the season midpoint I'll be booing my ass off

[BroncoWave]

We've gained more yards per drive than anyone else to this point. The playcalling issue, IMO is in the red zone and specifically with goal-to-go.

I REALLY hope coach is learning and growing, I am not ready to say anything should be taken off his plate, he's a rookie and deserves the opportunity to learn and grow. I would LOVE to see a mentor brought in, some old grizzled vet to be there as a sounding board or be an advisor, etc.

Even that though, let's give Coach the time he needs. If we're still regularly seeing these issues at the season midpoint I'll be booing my ass off

I still think the problem in the goal to go situations has been more with execution than playcalling. All the complaints this week were "why aren't we running more near the goal line?" Well we did that last week and fumbled twice at the 1. Between those two fumbles and Sutton barely being out of bounds on the one pass, we're a hair away from having 3/6 TD in goal to go. That's still not GREAT, but it's far from a disaster. I think this is still way too small a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from in terms of playcalling and I expect it to work itself out over the season.

[R8R H8R]

We've gained more yards per drive than anyone else to this point. The playcalling issue, IMO is in the red zone and specifically with goal-to-go.

I REALLY hope coach is learning and growing, I am not ready to say anything should be taken off his plate, he's a rookie and deserves the opportunity to learn and grow. I would LOVE to see a mentor brought in, some old grizzled vet to be there as a sounding board or be an advisor, etc.

Even that though, let's give Coach the time he needs. If we're still regularly seeing these issues at the season midpoint I'll be booing my ass off

Gary Kubiak. He would do it in a heartbeat if his son gave the A-ok.

[Tned]

One more point, if I'm ranking our big 3 issues on offense, I'd rank them as following:

1. Playclock/time management
2. Penalties
3. Playcalling

The playcalling could improve in spots, sure, but of the things that are issues, I think that's the least of an issue.

At the risk of agreeing with Wave, well, I agree.

As you noted in the post above, the world is different without the fumbles. One was apparently mostly due to a Wilson audible and half the line not hearing the audible (possibly compounded by Hackett being obviously late getting calls in during Seattle game). Much of the red zone woes look far more like execution and penalty problems than play calling problems. Both of which are still ultimately on Hackett's shoulders, including choosing not to play starters in preseason.

[Davii]

I still think the problem in the goal to go situations has been more with execution than playcalling. All the complaints this week were "why aren't we running more near the goal line?" Well we did that last week and fumbled twice at the 1. Between those two fumbles and Sutton barely being out of bounds on the one pass, we're a hair away from having 3/6 TD in goal to go. That's still not GREAT, but it's far from a disaster. I think this is still way too small a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from in terms of playcalling and I expect it to work itself out over the season.

Both of those were out of shotgun and at least one was a blown audible. Still, to your point, both are execution but I also think it;s a playcall issue. Why was the pass called first and why were we running out of shotgun instead of lining up in the I and jamming it down their throat from the 1?

[Ziggy]

I think the play calling has been great outside of the redone. Stats back that up. The Broncos are leading the NFL in yards/drive. The scoring will come. Hackett just needs to quit overthinking it in the red zone keep it simple. The penalties are a huge coaching issue. I hope that gets corrected soon.

[Krugan]

Mismanagement.

Management was left to the fans in the stands...

[Tned]

5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Some of it is playcalling. Some of it is execution. 2 TD passes called back by 1/8” for not getting the second foot down (Sutton, Tomlinson). 1 dropped TD pass (Saubert). 2 fumbles at the goal line (Gordon, Williams). 3 passes where the receiver was stopped just short of the goal line (Williams, Okuebugnam, Gordon).

Of course Hackett has ultimate responsibility for this but he didn’t fumble and he wasn’t the one unable to get his feet in bounds (something that happens every week around the league). Although, it does remind me of a time when we stunk in the red zone in the past because our zone running scheme was great between the 20s but was bad inside the 10. Oh wait, we’re back to that scheme after not using much it since Kubiak. Perhaps that’s why JW is a machine outside the red zone but struggles when the defense brings in their goal line package. It’s much easier to get the Dline moving laterally between the 20s than it is in goal to go situations when you just want to go straight ahead.

[R8R H8R]

Both of those were out of shotgun and at least one was a blown audible. Still, to your point, both are execution but I also think it;s a playcall issue. Why was the pass called first and why were we running out of shotgun instead of lining up in the I and jamming it down their throat from the 1?

I agree. Get behind center with goal to go. If you do, it’s easier to get the other team to bite hard on play action pass.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Klis@mikeklis 2h

Not just play calling: 2 fumbles; motion penalty took away one TD; two toes on boundary after apparent TDs. And yes play calling got too pass happy down there vs Houston.
Goal-to-go woes have been alarming, especially when they have mobile QB.

[R8R H8R]

. https://twitter.com/troyrenck/status/1572287176699789318?s=21&t=HVP8L6B4ihDJawXQHa0-nA

[Helios]

This is why I don't follow, listen to, or watch any of these clowns. It's just click bait.

I support Hackett 100%. He chose to be here when we had a clown show at QB with Lock/Bridgewater and he's already got the run game/OL figured out.
I'll give him plenty of time to get the red zone issues worked out.

[Eddiemac87]

This is why I don't follow, listen to, or watch any of these clowns. It's just click bait.

I support Hackett 100%. He chose to be here when we had a clown show at QB with Lock/Bridgewater and he's already got the run game/OL figured out.
I'll give him plenty of time to get the red zone issues worked out.

Agree. The playcalling has been a world better compared to the last few years too. I’ll wait and see on the growing pains before I throw the guy under the bus.

[Helios]

Agree. The playcalling has been a world better compared to the last few years too. I’ll wait and see on the growing pains before I throw the guy under the bus.

The play calling is miles better than previous years. You can see the offense attack inside/outside with run plays when the safeties are playing deeper. From the same personnel looks we go to the outside passing game when the defense shifts to single high safety looks.

Half of the offense is a bunch of backups from RG/RT to all the WRs except Sutton. That's five guys who didn't get reps with Wilson in training camp install from option routes, hand signals, checks, and audibles. How we went from Calvin Anderson starting at RT in camp/preseason to Fleming week 1 is beyond me but at least Fleming is playing really well. I would extend that guy in a heartbeat if he continues to play this well and keep Turner on the bench and we have our RT for the next few years.

So at least the offense has shifted to throwing more to the RBs which makes sense. I mean we had Gordon and Andrew Beck lining up outside as WRs and when we went to guys like Cleveland on rub routes he didn't even pick the defender.

But nah, it must be the coach's fault. Hamler and Jeudy need to get back on the field, especially Jeudy since he actually knows how to run complex/option routes and can work the underneath stuff instead of Sutton having to do it all.

[Davii]

This is why I don't follow, listen to, or watch any of these clowns. It's just click bait.

I support Hackett 100%. He chose to be here when we had a clown show at QB with Lock/Bridgewater and he's already got the run game/OL figured out.
I'll give him plenty of time to get the red zone issues worked out.

The needle is pointing up for the first time since Manning retired. I'm still excited, it was always going to be a process, we all got our hopes up a bit too high that it would be a short process.

[Hawgdriver]

I guess I'm too blase about it. I'm really just not even worried a bit. Yet.

[Hawgdriver]

Sorry. Forgot the accent on the e.

"blasè"

I think.

Or is it

"blasé"

[Davii]

I guess I'm too blase about it. I'm really just not even worried a bit. Yet.

Right there with you. Too many people on the coaching staff in first-time positions, they get the benefit of the rookie doubt IMO. If they still screw all this up in a few more weeks and don't show improvemnt along the way I'll be joining the chorus, not tonight though. There's whiskey to be drunk

[Denver Native (Carol)]

On the heels of an over-hyped Denver Broncos offseason, most observers were impressed by the high-energy, hands-on brand of coaching Nathaniel Hackett seemed to be delivering. Under the bright lights of the regular season, however, Hackett has lost much of that offseason luster.

Explaining it away is only more problematic for the Broncos' first-year head coach, especially if Hackett's clock and game management issues continue in Week 3 against the San Francisco 49ers.

Ironing out the kinks of an offense is more about perseverance than panic for Hackett, who insisted on Monday he would continue to call the plays for the Broncos' sputtering offense.

“I think I’ll continue the play calling. I think that’s been pretty efficient up to this point. We’ve done a good job moving the ball. We’ve had a good plan from that standpoint. We just have to finish those drives,” Hackett said. “I think from the game management standpoint, we just have to tighten that whole thing up. A lot of us—we are all working together for the first time, so we just want to be sure we’re more efficient in that and have the ability to make better decisions and quicker decisions.”

rest - https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/nathaniel-hackett-play-calling-offense-continue

[Elevation inc]

If I'm trying to spin this positively, it's hard to imagine a coach having much worse of an opening two games on the game management front and somehow we're 1-1. Hopefully we see some drastic improvement.

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1572248988748759040

Really? We ran the ball with Javonte and Melvin from short goal to go and they fumbled. How is that on Hackett? Its Hackett's fault WR's Pinky toes were out or poor routes were ran on stops short? Hackett is at fault for poor game management and you could make a case he tries to get to cute with play calling at times as he figures it all out, or that he doesn't have this team disciplined enough from a penalty standpoint. However, I wholeheartedly disagree with this red zone take being on Hackett. Execution is a players job plain and simple. Its a process. I think people forget it wasn't all sunshine Peyton's first year either.....I'm much more worried about game management, the penalties and injuries then anything else.

[Tned]

Right there with you. Too many people on the coaching staff in first-time positions, they get the benefit of the rookie doubt IMO. If they still screw all this up in a few more weeks and don't show improvemnt along the way I'll be joining the chorus, not tonight though. There's whiskey to be drunk

To me, the big three issues, all of which I attribute to a young (in experience) coaching staff:

Unprepared team (sloppy, penalties, mistakes).
Poor time management
Consistently late getting play calls in to offense.

I'm not one that thinks the play calling has been bad, but instead that getting those calls in late, have them getting up to the LOS with only a few seconds left, meaning Wilson doesn't have time to audible and really checkout the defense. Heck, sometimes he doesn't have time to get the ball snapped.

Part of the sloppy play is likely the decision to not play starters in the preseason, so I expected a few "preseason like" games at the start. I was hoping we could get a sloppy win at Seattle, but obviously not. Now, I say the honeymoon is over on sloppy play, as two games should give the players the equivalent prep as preseason, so the players really need to perform better this week, because the no preaseason excuse is now gone, IMO.

[Buff]

This is a little over the top… but this is the national discourse after two games.

https://twitter.com/benjaminsolak/status/1572562189621526528?s=46&t=Wzrx-RtHsbph14fygc87fA

[BroncoWave]

The idea that we only hired an otherwise completely unqualified head coach as Aaron Rodgers bait is just to patently absurd. I usually expect better than that from the Ringer.

[Davii]

This is a little over the top… but this is the national discourse after two games.

It's more than a little over the top, it's completely absurd and nothing more than clickbait.

[Buff]

The idea that we only hired an otherwise completely unqualified head coach as Aaron Rodgers bait is just to patently absurd. I usually expect better than that from the Ringer.

Bill Simmons loves him a hot take -- I'm not sure I expect more from the Ringer. They mostly have like 24 year olds working there these days from what I can tell.

Nevertheless, I think there is at least *some* merit to the idea that this marriage would be a bit cleaner through 2 games if Rodgers would have worked out - that seems like a relatively uncontroversial take given that he was Plan A and they had already been partnering together...

But obviously Paton had a Plan B and was prepared to execute on that, so it's not like this was a surprise to him and he obviously factored it into his decision making -- so he's clearly trying to retrofit his hot take with some very limited small sample data.

[Davii]

Bill Simmons loves him a hot take -- I'm not sure I expect more from the Ringer. They mostly have like 24 year olds working there these days from what I can tell.

Nevertheless, I think there is at least *some* merit to the idea that this marriage would be a bit cleaner through 2 games if Rodgers would have worked out - that seems like a relatively uncontroversial take given that he was Plan A and they had already been partnering together...

But obviously Paton had a Plan B and was prepared to execute on that, so it's not like this was a surprise to him and he obviously factored it into his decision making -- so he's clearly trying to retrofit his hot take with some very limited small sample data.

High fived for not expecting more from the Ringer. I disagree that Aaron was plan A though, I've never seen a shred of evidence to point to that other than rote speculation all over the place.

[BroncoWave]

Bill Simmons loves him a hot take -- I'm not sure I expect more from the Ringer. They mostly have like 24 year olds working there these days from what I can tell.

Nevertheless, I think there is at least *some* merit to the idea that this marriage would be a bit cleaner through 2 games if Rodgers would have worked out - that seems like a relatively uncontroversial take given that he was Plan A and they had already been partnering together...

But obviously Paton had a Plan B and was prepared to execute on that, so it's not like this was a surprise to him and he obviously factored it into his decision making -- so he's clearly trying to retrofit his hot take with some very limited small sample data.

Also the end of his article says it's still week 2 and too early to put him on the hot seat, so that's pretty much an admission that the whole premise of the article was clickbaity nonsense.

[BroncoWave]

High fived for not expecting more from the Ringer. I disagree that Aaron was plan A though, I've never seen a shred of evidence to point to that other than rote speculation all over the place.

The fact that the Wilson trade was completed literally the day after they announced Rodgers extension lends some credibility to the idea that Denver might have been waiting to see what happened with Rodgers before pulling the trigger on the Wilson deal.

[Davii]

The fact that the Wilson trade was completed literally the day after they announced Rodgers extension lends some credibility to the idea that Denver might have been waiting to see what happened with Rodgers before pulling the trigger on the Wilson deal.

I don't think it does, honestly. Why do those two things have anything to do with each other aside from us speculating that they do? I'm sure Peyton was kicking the tires on any QB he felt he could get that would be an upgrade, including Aaron, but it still lends no credibility to Rodgers being plan A. Plan A was fixing the QB situation.

[BroncoWave]

Terrible red zone playcalling by Hackett here for Wilson to miss this wide open Javonte.

https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/1572590585512611843?t=ViJqUWBmkRKQ0br6fPP-0w&s=19

[Rosebus]

Good God, how quickly history gets re-written. Hackett was a top head coaching candidate this year. If we didn't hire him, someone else most certainly was.

I thought the reaction to week 1 nationally was grotesque. Yeah, he made the wrong choice but we also missed the kick a yard left. That could have happened with a 48yarder as well. It was a bad decision but move on.

Week 2 was obviously worse, from a game management perspective. Is it concerning? Hell yes. Is it justification to discuss actually firing the man? Hell no. If he doesn't improve then we can talk but time will tell. He at least shows a willingness to admit mistakes and that shows me signs that he will learn and correct those mistakes. The Fangios of the world never admit their shortcomings and make the same mistakes over and over. So glad that guys is gone. Funny how no one is mentioning how well the defense is playing, how well the offense is moving the ball, how we've clearly been the better team in both games.

Personally, I like that we didn't come out of the gates all gangbusters. Nowhere to go but down when that happens. I like an imperfect product at this point of the season and can see that if and when this team pulls it together, the league will be put on notice, outside of the Bills.

[BroncoWave]

I don't think it does, honestly. Why do those two things have anything to do with each other aside from us speculating that they do? I'm sure Peyton was kicking the tires on any QB he felt he could get that would be an upgrade, including Aaron, but it still lends no credibility to Rodgers being plan A. Plan A was fixing the QB situation.

I think you're giving way too little credit to the local media in Denver here for their reporting on this. They were all saying Rodgers was plan A. Maybe they were all talking out of their ass and speculating, but there had been reporting for a year that the deal was all but done last offseason and something fell apart at the end and they were all in on him again this year. I don't think it's a coincidence at all that the Wilson deal happened right after Rodgers signed.

[Davii]

Terrible red zone playcalling by Hackett here for Wilson to miss this wide open Javonte.

https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/1572590585512611843?t=ViJqUWBmkRKQ0br6fPP-0w&s=19

I believe that ball got tipped at the line rather than Russ missing, either way it's not a play call issue there.

[Buff]

The fact that the Wilson trade was completed literally the day after they announced Rodgers extension lends some credibility to the idea that Denver might have been waiting to see what happened with Rodgers before pulling the trigger on the Wilson deal.

It wasn't even a day after - it was mere hours... There was WAY WAY WAY too much smoke for there not to be fire with Rodgers - going all the way back to last year's draft. Insiders like Schlereth and Rappaport reported it with conviction. I am relatively certain he was choosing between the Packers, Broncos and retirement. You will never convince me that he wasn't Plan A.

But Paton is a pro - he didn't have all his eggs in one basket. The piece is obviously ridiculous.

[Davii]

I think you're giving way too little credit to the local media in Denver here for their reporting on this. They were all saying Rodgers was plan A. Maybe they were all talking out of their ass and speculating, but there had been reporting for a year that the deal was all but done last offseason and something fell apart at the end and they were all in on him again this year. I don't think it's a coincidence at all that the Wilson deal happened right after Rodgers signed.

I think they're all full of it and speculating their asses off, reporting what others have reported, etc, honestly. Was it a possibility? Sure. If Aaron was "plan A" all along and we brought in a bunch of coaches he's all about, etc. then why isn't he here? Why didn't it work out?

All those reporters said it's done, he's coming here, etc. They were wrong, obviously, so why should anyone believe it was ever "plan A"? I don't.

George's plan was fixing the QB and there were multiple options there and he clearly had them ready to pull the trigger. That deal for Russ wasn't built in a day, it was going on for weeks and weeks in the background and there were probably another QB or two out there George was also working on.

[BroncoWave]

That deal for Russ wasn't built in a day, it was going on for weeks and weeks in the background and there were probably another QB or two out there George was also working on.

No one is saying this was the case. Obviously the Wilson deal was likely being worked on for weeks. We're just saying that the trigger wasn't actually fully pulled on it until it was the only viable option.

[Rosebus]

Russ has definitely missed some plays. He's played well, IMO, but could be a lot better himself.

[Tbolt]

I can't believe some people are still defending that stupid 64 yard FG decision.

The problem with blaming the derp, fumbles is that those plays happened on 4th and 1 and 3rd and 1. Gordon was stopped, even without the fumble, that is a turnover on downs. No points either way. Javonte was going to lose yards as the play got blown up so that would have likely been a FG there on 4th down. Either way neither drive would have produced a TD, so this narrative does not change with or without the fumbles.


Hackett hasn't been good enough, but unlike VJ who came out of the gate with wins, I feel better about having him as a coach. He needs to get better though.

[BroncoWave]

I can't believe some people are still defending that stupid 64 yard FG decision.

Literally not one single person on the entire planet is doing this. What in the actual **** are you talking about?

[Northman]

Terrible red zone playcalling by Hackett here for Wilson to miss this wide open Javonte.

https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/1572590585512611843?t=ViJqUWBmkRKQ0br6fPP-0w&s=19

Russ could have literally ran that in himself. Lol

[Davii]

Russ could have literally ran that in himself. Lol

I think even I could’ve!

[BroncoWave]

Russ could have literally ran that in himself. Lol

Maybe, but a still picture can be really deceiving in that regard. NFL defenders can close those gaps quickly. Plus it looks like Russ momentum is still in his dropback at this point, so he'd have to change direction to go forward, which would possibly give #52 who is coming up on his blind side time to catch him. Throwing an easy TD to Javonte was the play there.

[Tbolt]

Literally not one single person on the entire planet is doing this. What in the actual **** are you talking about?

You must not read all the posts. But why does that surprise me coming from you?

[BroncoWave]

You must not read all the posts. But why does that surprise me coming from you?

Please show me the post defending the FG.

[Northman]

Maybe, but a still picture can be really deceiving in that regard. NFL defenders can close those gaps quickly. Plus it looks like Russ momentum is still in his dropback at this point, so he'd have to change direction to go forward, which would possibly give #52 who is coming up on his blind side time to catch him. Throwing an easy TD to Javonte was the play there.

I wasnt arguing that Javonte wasnt an option but certainly running it in was one too. Hell, ive seen Tebow fake run and throw a pass, same with Geno Smith in week one. There was a multitude of options for Russ there.

[Davii]

Please show me the post defending the FG.

:cricket: :tumbleweed:

[BroncoWave]

:cricket: :tumbleweed:

I went back and read every post in this thread closely just to make sure. If anyone actually made that post they'd be getting destroyed. Not sure what that dude is seeing.

[BroncoWave]

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[Krugan]

Good God, how quickly history gets re-written. Hackett was a top head coaching candidate this year. If we didn't hire him, someone else most certainly was.

Just because he was a top candidate, does not mean, he has not sucked the first 2 weeks.

That's not re-writing history, that's is simply calling out his short comings.

The situation may play a part, this team is far from complete, but honestly there are few that are, and those teams are not on the new coach rotational merry-go-round.

[Davii]

Just because he was a top candidate, does not mean, he has not sucked the first 2 weeks.

That's not re-writing history, that's is simply calling out his short comings.

The situation may play a part, this team is far from complete, but honestly there are few that are, and those teams are not on the new coach rotational merry-go-round.

He didn’t say he hasn’t. He was specifically referencing the article saying Hackett was only hired to entice Rodgers.

[Rosebus]

He didn’t say he hasn’t. He was specifically referencing the article saying Hackett was only hired to entice Rodgers.

Correct. Rodgers was a "nice to have" when hiring Hackett but pretty sure he stood on his own merits in the interview process. He was a hot commodity and perhaps that's why everyone's been on his his shit the first 2 weeks. That and primetime. Worried for Hackett with another primetime game this week so hopefully he punks Shanny Jr.

[Krugan]

He didn’t say he hasn’t. He was specifically referencing the article saying Hackett was only hired to entice Rodgers.

I can not see a link to an article, happens a lot from my work computer.

To much stuff blocked, or maybe I should not be doing this from work ;)

[Helios]

Just because he was a top candidate, does not mean, he has not sucked the first 2 weeks.

That's not re-writing history, that's is simply calling out his short comings.

Awesome, let's pick the two/three plays that didn't work or were bad decisions.

Nevermind the 30-40 other plays where the offense marched down the field on long drives at five yards a clip in the run game and so on. That's what most of the media coverage on the NFL is now anyway. Cherry pick a few plays here and there for hot takes on the overall worth of a team/player etc. to drive up the views.

Anybody who didn't expect a first time head coach to make a few mistakes is exactly the kind of person that modern media drama is made for.

[Helios]

I'll see your two/three poor decisions by Hackett and raise you about 40-50 plays where Cam Fleming has played like a stud. Calvin Anderson was the guy who was supposed to start, but someone in the coaching staff/Hackett decided Fleming was going to start and he's been nothing short of a stud at RT.

But talking about how this is the best RT play we've had in years isn't sexy, controversial, or click bait.

So nobody gives a sh*t. You won't find more than a single mention of how well he's played, but you will find about 20-30 articles/clips, shows, tweets a day about how a handful of poor calls have doomed us to a 1-1 start.

[Tned]

High fived for not expecting more from the Ringer. I disagree that Aaron was plan A though, I've never seen a shred of evidence to point to that other than rote speculation all over the place.

You never know how much truth is truth, because they all go with "our hope was to get ____ player in round 2 all along" or in this case, trade for a QB, but the stories out after the trade indicated that that trade had been in the works for a while, and Wilson was plan A, not Rodgers.

[Krugan]

Awesome, let's pick the two/three plays that didn't work or were bad decisions.

Nevermind the 30-40 other plays where the offense marched down the field on long drives at five yards a clip in the run game and so on. That's what most of the media coverage on the NFL is now anyway. Cherry pick a few plays here and there for hot takes on the overall worth of a team/player etc. to drive up the views.

Anybody who didn't expect a first time head coach to make a few mistakes is exactly the kind of person that modern media drama is made for.

Ok feller. Take a breath. There have been more than a few play calls to critique. Been lots of problems these first two weeks. I guess, you do you though.

[Tned]

It wasn't even a day after - it was mere hours... There was WAY WAY WAY too much smoke for there not to be fire with Rodgers - going all the way back to last year's draft. Insiders like Schlereth and Rappaport reported it with conviction. I am relatively certain he was choosing between the Packers, Broncos and retirement. You will never convince me that he wasn't Plan A.

But Paton is a pro - he didn't have all his eggs in one basket. The piece is obviously ridiculous.

There was a ton of smoke about Bezos being lead contender to buy the Broncos, or Smith, or several others that didn't even bid.

More times than not with the national media, sports or otherwise, where there is a lot of smoke, chances are, it's from a smoke machine, and not a fire.

[Helios]

Ok feller. Take a breath. There have been more than a few play calls to critique. Been lots of problems these first two weeks. I guess, you do you though.

Yeah, me pointing out that he's made a few bad calls plus also the good is too complex than your more nuanced take saying he "sucked the past two weeks."

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

We've gained more yards per drive than anyone else to this point. The playcalling issue, IMO is in the red zone and specifically with goal-to-go.

I REALLY hope coach is learning and growing, I am not ready to say anything should be taken off his plate, he's a rookie and deserves the opportunity to learn and grow. I would LOVE to see a mentor brought in, some old grizzled vet to be there as a sounding board or be an advisor, etc.

Even that though, let's give Coach the time he needs. If we're still regularly seeing these issues at the season midpoint I'll be booing my ass off

We already have a veteran coach that over see everything and is a sounding board. You gotta stay in tune man y’all don’t be paying attention when I was posting all them videos of coach explaining everything you just said should be going on is exactly what’s going on. I think every position coach has an advisor whose a old veteran coach to be a sound board and etc.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

I still think the problem in the goal to go situations has been more with execution than playcalling. All the complaints this week were "why aren't we running more near the goal line?" Well we did that last week and fumbled twice at the 1. Between those two fumbles and Sutton barely being out of bounds on the one pass, we're a hair away from having 3/6 TD in goal to go. That's still not GREAT, but it's far from a disaster. I think this is still way too small a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from in terms of playcalling and I expect it to work itself out over the season.

It absolutely is too small of a sample size like 2 fricking games? Smh I can’t stand how dramatic people are so fast all the ******* time amongst broncos fans. The broncos have had some self inflicted wound’s that’s been slowing us down, it’ll get cleaned up people need to calm the **** down!!!! Trust the got damn process this is a everything NEW situation on this team.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Not to mention we don’t know whose even going to be good and whose not yet all the way. I sure as hell didn’t see the jaguars shutting out Indy

[Davii]

We already have a veteran coach that over see everything and is a sounding board. You gotta stay in tune man y’all don’t be paying attention when I was posting all them videos of coach explaining everything you just said should be going on is exactly what’s going on. I think every position coach has an advisor whose a old veteran coach to be a sound board and etc.

We have a defensive coach there for DC. Jesus you’re wrong so often it must be on purpose

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

We have a defensive coach there for DC. Jesus you’re wrong so often it must be on purpose

Dude we have the same thing going on for the offense or it’s coming for sure!!!!

[Davii]

Dude we have the same thing going on for the offense or it’s coming for sure!!!!

Or it’s coming for sure…. Wow….

So In the last few posts you said we already have this, got pointed out that we don’t, and then say it’s coming soon for the offense when we’re talking about the Head Coach needing it.

No way anyone is wrong this much, it must be the act of a troll that isn’t very good at trolling.

[Krugan]

Yeah, me pointing out that he's made a few bad calls plus also the good is too complex than your more nuanced take saying he "sucked the past two weeks."

Its more than just bad calls, this team has been under prepared and extremely undisciplined. That falls on his shoulders, he is the guy who gets to wear the crown.

You are all spun up, as if a criticism, means he should be shunned and pelted with rotten fruits. Its not like people are screaming from the roof tops "fire hackett" at least here, yet.

He sucked, if you are looking for sugar coated eloquence, im not giving it.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Or it’s coming for sure…. Wow….

So In the last few posts you said we already have this, got pointed out that we don’t, and then say it’s coming soon for the offense when we’re talking about the Head Coach needing it.

No way anyone is wrong this much, it must be the act of a troll that isn’t very good at trolling.

It’s because I don’t believe you yet. I’d have to double back and check however I know Hackett said this was a thing.

[Helios]

Its more than just bad calls, this team has been under prepared and extremely undisciplined. That falls on his shoulders, he is the guy who gets to wear the crown.

You are all spun up, as if a criticism, means he should be shunned and pelted with rotten fruits. Its not like people are screaming from the roof tops "fire hackett" at least here, yet.

He sucked, if you are looking for sugar coated eloquence, im not giving it.

Nah, it's about being realistic. Who thought a first time head coach was going to waltz in and everything was going to be smooth sailing?

You have to take the good with the bad, if you believe in his abilities when he was hired, you also have to understand he'll go through a learning curve. Pointing out the few play calls a game that went wrong without what's been done well is just b*tching about the obvious.

[BroncoWave]

Nah, it's about being realistic. Who thought a first time head coach was going to waltz in and everything was going to be smooth sailing?

You have to take the good with the bad, if you believe in his abilities when he was hired, you also have to understand he'll go through a learning curve. Pointing out the few play calls a game that went wrong without what's been done well is just b*tching about the obvious.

I don't think anyone expected his game management and the penalty discipline of the team to be an abject disaster to this level through two weeks. A learning curve is to be expected for a first time head coach, but the things he's been bad at, he's been REALLY bad at.

That's not to say it can't be corrected, it absolutely can. But it's completely fair to criticize the things he's done poorly so far.

[Helios]

I don't think anyone expected his game management and the penalty discipline of the team to be an abject disaster to this level through two weeks. A learning curve is to be expected for a first time head coach, but the things he's been bad at, he's been REALLY bad at.

That's not to say it can't be corrected, it absolutely can. But it's completely fair to criticize the things he's done poorly so far.

It's not about "bad", "sucked", or any other opinions.
It's about football plays.

Against the Seahawks:
2 fumbles at the goal line on two drives.
1 drop and 1 catch inches out of bounds by the TEs on the same drive.

That's 3 TDs off the board. We win that game easy.

Against the Texans:
1 catch overturned from a Sutton an inch out of bounds off a fade throw.
1 throw to Javonte in the end zone where he was wide open but Russ' throw hit a defender on the helmet.
1 deep left throw to Washington that was a little out of bounds.

That's three TDs off the board against the Texans.

We get even half of those TDs and we're 2-0 and there isn't this narrative about Hackett sucked, he's not prepared, blah, blah.

[BroncoWave]

It's not about "bad", "sucked", or any other opinions.
It's about football plays.

Against the Seahawks:
2 fumbles at the goal line on two drives.
1 drop and 1 catch inches out of bounds by the TEs on the same drive.

That's 3 TDs off the board. We win that game easy.

Against the Texans:
1 catch overturned from a Sutton an inch out of bounds off a fade throw.
1 throw to Javonte in the end zone where he was wide open but Russ' throw hit a defender on the helmet.
1 deep left throw to Washington that was a little out of bounds.

That's three TDs off the board against the Texans.

We get even half of those TDs and we're 2-0 and there isn't this narrative about Hackett sucked, he's not prepared, blah, blah.

More than one thing can be true. Yes all of those examples of bad execution by players are true and very fair to bring up. And it's also true that Hackett has managed crucial situations poorly. The decision to kick the 64 yard FG can't happen. Multiple delays of game on FG attempts can't happen.

[BroncoWave]

It's not about "bad", "sucked", or any other opinions.
It's about football plays.

Against the Seahawks:
2 fumbles at the goal line on two drives.
1 drop and 1 catch inches out of bounds by the TEs on the same drive.

That's 3 TDs off the board. We win that game easy.

Against the Texans:
1 catch overturned from a Sutton an inch out of bounds off a fade throw.
1 throw to Javonte in the end zone where he was wide open but Russ' throw hit a defender on the helmet.
1 deep left throw to Washington that was a little out of bounds.

That's three TDs off the board against the Texans.

We get even half of those TDs and we're 2-0 and there isn't this narrative about Hackett sucked, he's not prepared, blah, blah.

Another major difference between these two things. Mistakes made by players are largely forced by good defense as well. On the two goal line fumbles, defenders hit them forcing those fumbles. On the Sutton out of bounds, the defender played well forcing him to the sideline. On the throw with Javonte open in the endzone, the defender put himself in the right place to deflect the pass. Yes several of these were mistakes by players, but they were forced mistakes because the other side has pro players too.

Hackett's mistakes have been completely unforced errors. There's no defender breathing down his face when he's getting playcalls in. The completely unforced nature of his blunders is why he's getting more heat than the players have who have made mistakes.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

It's not about "bad", "sucked", or any other opinions.
It's about football plays.

Against the Seahawks:
2 fumbles at the goal line on two drives.
1 drop and 1 catch inches out of bounds by the TEs on the same drive.

That's 3 TDs off the board. We win that game easy.

Against the Texans:
1 catch overturned from a Sutton an inch out of bounds off a fade throw.
1 throw to Javonte in the end zone where he was wide open but Russ' throw hit a defender on the helmet.
1 deep left throw to Washington that was a little out of bounds.

That's three TDs off the board against the Texans.

We get even half of those TDs and we're 2-0 and there isn't this narrative about Hackett sucked, he's not prepared, blah, blah.

Exactly this whole narrative people are attacking coach with is 100% HORSE SHIT!!!!!!!

[BroncoWave]

Exactly this whole narrative people are attacking coach with is 100% HORSE SHIT!!!!!!!

It's not horse shit for someone to be held accountable for their mistakes. You must be a disaster to manage at your job. Nothing you do wrong is ever your fault and how dare your boss criticize you!

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

It's not horse shit for someone to be held accountable for their mistakes. You must be a disaster to manage at your job. Nothing you do wrong is ever your fault and how dare your boss criticize you!

WRONG GUY!!!!!! Absolutely wrong guy! I’m top 3 performer at my job so sorry that’s not going to fly here. Being held accountable is perfectly fine, but all the personal attacks is not questioning his decisions! What people doing is just disrespectful horse shit as it’s finest! And I think it’s unacceptable to the highest degree!

[BroncoWave]

WRONG GUY!!!!!! Absolutely wrong guy! I’m top 3 performer at my job so sorry that’s not going to fly here. Being held accountable is perfectly fine, but all the personal attacks is not questioning his decisions! What people doing is just disrespectful horse shit as it’s finest! And I think it’s unacceptable to the highest degree!

Have you ever considered that you're baby shit soft for getting this far up in your feelings over criticism of someone who you've never met and likely never will? I'm sure Hackett is a big boy and can handle these "personal attacks" without some weirdo on a message board white knighting for him.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Have you ever considered that you're baby shit soft for getting this far up in your feelings over criticism of someone who you've never met and likely never will? I'm sure Hackett is a big boy and can handle these "personal attacks" without some weirdo on a message board white knighting for him.

I don’t give two shits if I know him personally he’s my head coach and with how open and transparent he is for a guy who watches every video like me you surely start to feel like you know these people personally!!!! Smh what type of fan doesn’t have a emotional connection to the team…..

As far as all that other baby shit soft talk yeah it sound good online, not so much in the real world where ya wouldn’t fix your lips to utter such word’s. :)

[BroncoWave]

I don’t give two shits if I know him personally he’s my head coach and with how open and transparent he is for a guy who watches every video like me you surely start to feel like you know these people personally!!!! Smh what type of fan doesn’t have a emotional connection to the team…..

As far as all that other baby shit soft talk yeah it sound good online, not so much in the real world where ya wouldn’t fix your lips to utter such word’s. :)

He's actually not your head coach unless I missed some memo that you're on the team. And if that's the case you should probably spend more time watching film and less trolling a message board!

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Smh your playing games dude. �� bye bye

[BroncoWave]

Smh your playing games dude. �� bye bye

Pretty easy games too with a dumb troll like yourself.

[Krugan]

Nah, it's about being realistic. Who thought a first time head coach was going to waltz in and everything was going to be smooth sailing?

You have to take the good with the bad, if you believe in his abilities when he was hired, you also have to understand he'll go through a learning curve. Pointing out the few play calls a game that went wrong without what's been done well is just b*tching about the obvious.

You can critique someone, even when they are new.

And yes, you can expect your team to not commit 25 penalties in 2 games while being 0-6 in the redzone.

I see a lot of "if they didnt fumble, or toes shorter". They all happened and we looked crappy doing it.

That is on the coach. Is this a indication he will have these issues at the end of the season, no.

You can certainly not have a problem with him being, obviously a bit overwhelmed, hell I forgive that its the nfl and his first gig, but that does not even come close to being beyond reproach.

We sucked when it counted, 2 weeks now. We improved week 2, kinda. Maybe week 3...

Anyway, this is a pointless argument. You feel this way about critiques, I feel that way. Head meet wall, no more.

[Krugan]

Pretty easy games too with a dumb troll like yourself.

Careful, this one likes to report stuff.

[BroncoWave]

Careful, this one likes to report stuff.

Let him. I'll take a ban to call his idiocy out.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Pretty easy games too with a dumb troll like yourself.

Ohhh yeah there he is. He’s coming back slowly but surely.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

You can critique someone, even when they are new.

And yes, you can expect your team to not commit 25 penalties in 2 games while being 0-6 in the redzone.

I see a lot of "if they didnt fumble, or toes shorter". They all happened and we looked crappy doing it.

That is on the coach. Is this a indication he will have these issues at the end of the season, no.

You can certainly not have a problem with him being, obviously a bit overwhelmed, hell I forgive that its the nfl and his first gig, but that does not even come close to being beyond reproach.

We sucked when it counted, 2 weeks now. We improved week 2, kinda. Maybe week 3...

Anyway, this is a pointless argument. You feel this way about critiques, I feel that way. Head meet wall, no more.

Lol two fumbles on the GL….. that’s the coaches fault….

Unbelievable

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Careful, this one likes to report stuff.

How would you know?

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Let him. I'll take a ban to call his idiocy out.

There it is!!! I knew it wouldn’t be long before the opposite of Shane is back!!! Lmao

[Krugan]

Lol two fumbles on the GL….. that’s the coaches fault….

Unbelievable

I did not say it was his fault. It happened, and so did 12 penalties.

Sorry you can not separate that.

[Krugan]

How would you know?

I dont know anything.

Im not you.

[Northman]

WRONG GUY!!!!!! Absolutely wrong guy! I’m top 3 performer at my job so sorry that’s not going to fly here. Being held accountable is perfectly fine, but all the personal attacks is not questioning his decisions! What people doing is just disrespectful horse shit as it’s finest! And I think it’s unacceptable to the highest degree!

Calm down snowflake.

[Northman]

Let him. I'll take a ban to call his idiocy out.

No one will get banned because of him, he's been trolling hard the last couple of days. I wouldnt be surprised to see him get the axe though.

[Northman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewnE6kIZRY8

[Davii]

Another major difference between these two things. Mistakes made by players are largely forced by good defense as well. On the two goal line fumbles, defenders hit them forcing those fumbles. On the Sutton out of bounds, the defender played well forcing him to the sideline. On the throw with Javonte open in the endzone, the defender put himself in the right place to deflect the pass. Yes several of these were mistakes by players, but they were forced mistakes because the other side has pro players too.

Hackett's mistakes have been completely unforced errors. There's no defender breathing down his face when he's getting playcalls in. The completely unforced nature of his blunders is why he's getting more heat than the players have who have made mistakes.

If he keeps ******* up he might have me breathing down his face. That's almost as intimidating as a defender. :lol:

[Davii]

WRONG GUY!!!!!! Absolutely wrong guy! I’m top 3 performer at my job so sorry that’s not going to fly here. Being held accountable is perfectly fine, but all the personal attacks is not questioning his decisions! What people doing is just disrespectful horse shit as it’s finest! And I think it’s unacceptable to the highest degree!

How many people do your job? 3? I'm guessing 3.

[Elevation inc]

How many people do your job? 3? I'm guessing 3.

Epic LMAO

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Calm down snowflake.

You want some yeah? You want a piece of me yeah?

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

How many people do your job? 3? I'm guessing 3.

Ahhhhh hahahaha decent one Dave decent one. But no I’m top 3 out of an entire county. More like 3 hundred people! Thank you much.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

No one will get banned because of him, he's been trolling hard the last couple of days. I wouldnt be surprised to see him get the axe though.

Smh clown behavior

[BroncoWave]

How many people do your job? 3? I'm guessing 3.

Post of the century. :lol:

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Epic LMAO

Aight now don’t sice it smh

[BroncoWave]

Aight now don’t sice it smh

What language is this?

[Northman]

You want some yeah? You want a piece of me yeah?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULItNlBvJc&ab_channel=M.EnoisDuarte

[Canmore]

What language is this?

JHam.

[Eddiemac87]

NFL radio is reporting the Broncos hired an old coach to be in the booth as a consultant for Hackett. Apparently been there all week watching all sides of the ball meetings. He is there to advise in critical situations, ie timeouts, challenges etc. can’t remember his name now, google ain’t helping either. He was a special teams coach with the ravens for many years, then spent time with the 49ers.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

NFL radio is reporting the Broncos hired an old coach to be in the booth as a consultant for Hackett. Apparently been there all week watching all sides of the ball meetings. He is there to advise in critical situations, ie timeouts, challenges etc. can’t remember his name now, google ain’t helping either. He was a special teams coach with the ravens for many years, then spent time with the 49ers.

Yeahp this was supposed to been had happened, he spoke about this months ago. For all the coaches since he said it’s a brand new experience for so many coaches being a first time coach in there position

[Northman]

NFL radio is reporting the Broncos hired an old coach to be in the booth as a consultant for Hackett. Apparently been there all week watching all sides of the ball meetings. He is there to advise in critical situations, ie timeouts, challenges etc. can’t remember his name now, google ain’t helping either. He was a special teams coach with the ravens for many years, then spent time with the 49ers.

Yikes.

Guess our coach needs training wheels.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Broncos head coach Nathaniel Hackett has made several questionable game-management decisions in his first two games on the job, and now the team is trying to rectify the situation.

The Broncos have hired Jerry Rosburg with the title of senior assistant, and he will sit in the booth during games and advise Hackett on his decision making, according to Mike Klis of 9 News.

Rosburg spent the week in Denver and was working Broncos practices, but the hiring didn’t become finalized until Friday. Rosburg will be in the booth for Sunday night’s game against the 49ers.

rest - https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/24/broncos-hire-assistant-coach-to-advise-nathaniel-hackett-on-game-management/

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Klis@mikeklis 4h

Been around a lot of coaches. Most don’t admit a problem, let alone act so quickly on a burning issue. Hackett showed self-awareness here. Basically he lured a veteran coach out of a 3-year retirement and got him here in 3 days. #9sports

Mike Klis@mikeklis·4h

Say what you will about the outside noise, but in talking with players and front office this week, it appears Hackett has team’s support for how he has handled game management issues inside building and public. And now by taking quick action to bring in Rosburg. #9sports

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Rosburg had been Ravens special teams coordinator/associate head coach who assisted John Harbaugh with game-management operations from 2008-18.

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — Shortly after his first win as head coach of the Denver Broncos, Nathaniel Hackett was too busy evaluating another game-management debacle to celebrate.

Hackett quickly took action that led him to begin the process of hiring highly regarded NFL coach Jerry Rosburg to the Broncos staff as senior assistant, 9NEWS has learned. Rosburg had been with the Broncos all week, observing practices and talking with personnel while his specific role and contract were being finalized. The hiring was finalized late Friday afternoon in time for Rosburg to assist Hackett for the game Sunday night against the San Francisco 49ers at Empower Field at Mile High.

9NEWS had spotted an unfamiliar person on the coaches’ sidelines during practices the last week, then worked to confirm that Rosberg had been added to Hackett’s staff. The hire will allow Hackett to be a more efficient head coach and play-caller with a strong, experienced presence to assist with game management not only on gameday but throughout the week.

rest - https://www.9news.com/article/sports/nfl/denver-broncos/mike-klis/hackett-brings-in-jerry-rosburg/73-f0f3ef31-9b0b-4958-ba25-e7ea0f929753

[Helios]

It's not horse shit for someone to be held accountable for their mistakes. You must be a disaster to manage at your job. Nothing you do wrong is ever your fault and how dare your boss criticize you!

Who said he shouldn't he held accountable? I've already said numerous times Hackett made several poor decisions.

It's the narrative that he sucked that's bs.

Hackett is going to make plenty of bad decisions - he's a first time head coach. Hell, I expect more of this - not less. But I'm also going to give him credit where it belongs.
As long as he's getting the most out of his players and we keep getting better.

[Davii]

Yeahp this was supposed to been had happened, he spoke about this months ago. For all the coaches since he said it’s a brand new experience for so many coaches being a first time coach in there position

:lol: My god you don't even remember your own dumbass posts... Once again you're as wrong as you possibly could be. This was never a plan until recently, he never planned nor spoke of a plan to hire a HC mentor. They hired Dom Capers for the DC, Hackett was serving in the same capacity for Outten, they hired a QC coach and even a coach to "coach the coaches" but that was specific to their coaching skills and teaching skills, not their in-game decisions and definitely not Hackett's in-game decisions.

This shows a great degree of awareness and ownership by Hackett. I like this guy more everyday for how he's handling the issues we've seen thus far. Fangio and Joseph would've doubled down and claimed it went according to plan, HAckett admits fault and seeks to grow. That's a growth mindset and one of the main contributors to someone building a high-performing leadership team.

This is exciting, but you couldn't be more wrong, per usual.

[Davii]

Yikes.

Guess our coach needs training wheels.

I don't look at it like that. I look at it as a guy who is brand new in his role accepts that he's having some growing pains and is looking to shore up his shortcomings and learn. This is tremendous news. Had Vic or Vance done something along these lines they might still be here.

[Northman]

I don't look at it like that. I look at it as a guy who is brand new in his role accepts that he's having some growing pains and is looking to shore up his shortcomings and learn. This is tremendous news. Had Vic or Vance done something along these lines they might still be here.

It still means he needs training wheels whether he acknowledges it or not. Its just weird since he was highly wanted around the league i really thought he would be more prepared to move into the HC position. Its just embarrassing in a lot of ways because other young HC's arent needing to do this because they are already know how to do simple things like game management, etc.

[Davii]

It still means he needs training wheels whether he acknowledges it or not. Its just weird since he was highly wanted around the league i really thought he would be more prepared to move into the HC position. Its just embarrassing in a lot of ways because other young HC's arent needing to do this because they are already know how to do simple things like game management, etc.

Most of them probably have a former HC or very experienced vet as one of their coordinators, no?

There’s more to this than just Hackett.

[Northman]

Most of them probably have a former HC or very experienced vet as one of their coordinators, no?

There’s more to this than just Hackett.

Then I don't understand why we keep wasting time on HCs like this. Seems like a lot of wasted time using coaches that need their hand held. Russell is young bit not that young.

[Tned]

I don't look at it like that. I look at it as a guy who is brand new in his role accepts that he's having some growing pains and is looking to shore up his shortcomings and learn. This is tremendous news. Had Vic or Vance done something along these lines they might still be here.

Agreed. And with the new (old) guy up in the booth, he has a birds eye view, can be looking at replays, and all factors, and can help Hackett, who especially when the Broncos are on offense, is preoccupied with play calling. I think it's great that he made the move. It's an extremely positive sign about Hackett as a non-ego driven coach.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Yikes.

Guess our coach needs training wheels.

Smh

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Then I don't understand why we keep wasting time on HCs like this. Seems like a lot of wasted time using coaches that need their hand held. Russell is young bit not that young.

Smh Hackett doesn’t need his hand held! And he’s nowhere near a waste of time! Smh this shit will be solved up starting this week. The man is just so locked in with everything going on all over the field. He’ll be alright

[Canmore]

Smh Hackett doesn’t need his hand held! And he’s nowhere near a waste of time! Smh this shit will be solved up starting this week. The man is just so locked in with everything going on all over the field. He’ll be alright

I'd like to think so. Yet, it is anything but guarantied.

[Buff]

https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1582433142706565120

[Hawgdriver]

I watched the Eisen thing. He wasn't particularly persuasive. At least he used three words to acknowledge that "the o-line is banged up."

Good job, Rich.

I agree that Hackett needs to figure out something that works.

But it seems to me that there's a sort of pervasive "what the **** are we doing out here" vibe on offense, from HC to QB to WR to OL.

I don't know if they could actually run good plays, if that makes sense. They look so out-of-sorts and unprepared. Can you even consistently run effective plays with this shite OL?

I'm just using my out-loud voice...I don't have "answers"

[Tbolt]

I watched the Eisen thing. He wasn't particularly persuasive. At least he used three words to acknowledge that "the o-line is banged up."

Good job, Rich.

I agree that Hackett needs to figure out something that works.

But it seems to me that there's a sort of pervasive "what the **** are we doing out here" vibe on offense, from HC to QB to WR to OL.

I don't know if they could actually run good plays, if that makes sense. They look so out-of-sorts and unprepared. Can you even consistently run effective plays with this shite OL?

I'm just using my out-loud voice...I don't have "answers"

Eisen had a different video where he complains about our offensive sets and how predictable we are. On one of the sacks they zoomed out and you can see how all our WR's just run to a covered spot, there was nothing in the play to scheme anyone open. No misdirection, no rubs, nobody crossing into anyone else's zone. Just too easy to defend. Also, none of our WR's seem to know what to do when Russ scrambles. They just sort of give up on the play.

[Buff]

I watched the Eisen thing. He wasn't particularly persuasive. At least he used three words to acknowledge that "the o-line is banged up."

Good job, Rich.

I agree that Hackett needs to figure out something that works.

But it seems to me that there's a sort of pervasive "what the **** are we doing out here" vibe on offense, from HC to QB to WR to OL.

I don't know if they could actually run good plays, if that makes sense. They look so out-of-sorts and unprepared. Can you even consistently run effective plays with this shite OL?

I'm just using my out-loud voice...I don't have "answers"

I think it was a long winded way of saying, "you were hired to fix the offense and have the league's dead last 32nd ranked offense, so figure it the **** out."

[Hawgdriver]

I think it was a long winded way of saying, "you were hired to fix the offense and have the league's dead last 32nd ranked offense, so figure it the **** out."

I agree. Let's be fair about it though.

If we began with the premise of "the Broncos offense has the 32nd ranked grouping of talent/ability," do we judge results according to that premise?

If so, we could argue that they do in fact have that level of talent/ability. The OL is arguably that right now, with Bolles out. It's Russ and Sutton. No Javonte, no Patrick. JJ appears to be on different sheet of music (as does Sutton on occasion).

Hackett does need to figure it the **** out. But the premise that the unit is close to dead last in potential should also be factored in.

And no continuity within a system. And no preseason.

Ugh. I feel like I'm defending the guy. I really just want to understand how tf it could be this bad other than the most obvious reason--that Hackett is awful.

[Buff]

I agree. Let's be fair about it though.

If we began with the premise of "the Broncos offense has the 32nd ranked grouping of talent/ability," do we judge results according to that premise?

If so, we could argue that they do in fact have that level of talent/ability. The OL is arguably that right now, with Bolles out. It's Russ and Sutton. No Javonte, no Patrick. JJ appears to be on different sheet of music (as does Sutton on occasion).

Hackett does need to figure it the **** out. But the premise that the unit is close to dead last in potential should also be factored in.

And no continuity within a system. And no preseason.

Ugh. I feel like I'm defending the guy. I really just want to understand how tf it could be this bad other than the most obvious reason--that Hackett is awful.

If you are making the case that the o-line personnel may be a bigger issue than the coaching, I don't think that's totally outlandish -- but I think that still falls back to Hackett to make some damn adjustments to manage that. We're back to the brisket analogy. Moving from a power run game to outside zone is a choice. No continuity and no preseason is a choice. No in-game adjustments is a choice.

Bill Belichick is 4-2 with our personnel right now.

[Tbolt]

If you are making the case that the o-line personnel may be a bigger issue than the coaching, I don't think that's totally outlandish -- but I think that still falls back to Hackett to make some damn adjustments to manage that. We're back to the brisket analogy. Moving from a power run game to outside zone is a choice. No continuity and no preseason is a choice. No in-game adjustments is a choice.

Bill Belichick is 4-2 with our personnel right now.

This. No pre-season was a self-inflicted wound. Kicking a 64 yard FG was a self-inflicted wound. Not running the ball on 3rd and 1 in OT was a self-inflicted wound.

Misspelling self-inflicted as self-inflected is a self-inflicted wound.

[Simple Jaded]

This. No pre-season was a self-inflected wound. Kicking a 64 yard FG was a self-inflected wound. Not running the ball on 3rd and 1 in OT was a self-inflected wound.

You see the irony here, right?

[Enter The Dragon]

I find that this coach wouldn't have worked out regardless of whether or not we had ownership in place

[tubby]

Put me down for "shitty"

[Buff]

https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1585991914830319616?s=46&t=HeQw211DBk9AxxamBUf7RA

[King87]

I'm not a mathologist, but that seems bad.

[King87]

Also keep in mind that Tampa got rid of Arians (a damn fine coach) due to Brady's ego and inability to be criticized publicly. You deserve that, Thomas!

Looking at that chart, there are a lot of really good teams (Chiefs, Bengals, etc.) who **** that up a lot. Which is weird, because Reid has a reputation for being an aggressive head coach. Is he being gunshy due to the **** up last year in the playoffs on the goal line?

[BroncoWave]

Seeing the Chargers high on that list is stunning. Maybe Staley is overreacting to public ridicule of going for it too much, and is now kicking when he should go for it, and it turns out he was right all along?

[Simple Jaded]

Seeing the Chargers high on that list is stunning. Maybe Staley is overreacting to public ridicule of going for it too much, and is now kicking when he should go for it, and it turns out he was right all along?

And maybe Hackett was right for not putting the ball in RFW’s hands in Game 1.

This is what happens when fans and propeller heads can’t stay in their lane.

[BroncoWave]

And maybe Hackett was right for not putting the ball in RFW’s hands in Game 1.

On that long a FG in a game in which Russ was actually playing well? McManus is bad from that distance. Like 1/8 career.

[Simple Jaded]

On that long a FG in a game in which Russ was actually playing well? McManus is bad from that distance. Like 1/8 career.

Well yeah. . .

[BroncoWave]

Well yeah. . .

Yeah when I put it that way it sounds bad huh?

[Buff]

Browns HC validates what I've been saying for years... I literally could manage the clock better than our last 3 Head Coaches...

https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/1633481068882919425

[Davii]

Browns HC validates what I've been saying for years... I literally could manage the clock better than our last 3 Head Coaches...

https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/1633481068882919425

I have no doubt that folks who play Madden regularly could do a better job with clock management, maybe even with play calls!

[BroncoWave]

I have no doubt that folks who play Madden regularly could do a better job with clock management, maybe even with play calls!

The #1 thing that coaches do that absolutely frustrates me having played Madden a bunch is doing literally anything other than a QB sneak on 3rd or 4th and 1. I get not wanting your QB to take too many hits, but even if you brought your backup QB in to run that play and totally telegraph what you're doing, it's still going to work probably 90% of the time. There's just no way to consistently defend it.

[Tbolt]

The #1 thing that coaches do that absolutely frustrates me having played Madden a bunch is doing literally anything other than a QB sneak on 3rd or 4th and 1. I get not wanting your QB to take too many hits, but even if you brought your backup QB in to run that play and totally telegraph what you're doing, it's still going to work probably 90% of the time. There's just no way to consistently defend it.

This.

It also annoys me to no end when people defend the folks that get paid because, they are the experts! As if Harvard has a doctorate program in whatever sport they are engaged in and getting paid for. These are just people that have stayed around the game and/or benefited from nepotism. They are not 'expert' at it. That's not to knock folks that work at their craft, but to hold their opinions/decision making in unimpeachable esteem? Not so much. Brett Hull one time said he always felt lucky to be where he was, because people believed in him and gave him chances to succeed, but there were thousands of other dudes that could have done the same if they had the same opportunities he had. Sums it up for me.

[BroncoWave]

This.

It also annoys me to no end when people defend the folks that get paid because, they are the experts! As if Harvard has a doctorate program in whatever sport they are engaged in and getting paid for. These are just people that have stayed around the game and/or benefited from nepotism. They are not 'expert' at it. That's not to knock folks that work at their craft, but to hold their opinions/decision making in unimpeachable esteem? Not so much. Brett Hull one time said he always felt lucky to be where he was, because people believed in him and gave him chances to succeed, but there were thousands of other dudes that could have done the same if they had the same opportunities he had. Sums it up for me.

One of the more insane sports facts I've ever seen is that 36% of NHL players were born in the first quarter of the year while only 14% were born in the last quarter of the year. The reasoning being that youth hockey leagues place you based on the year you were born, so the kids born in the first few months of the year are usually the bigger and more athletic ones, and they in turn get more playing time and more specialized coaching, leading to better long term outcomes. So just the month you were born can literally more than double your chances of making the NHL. Had Wayne Gretzky been born a month earlier in December instead of January, maybe he doesn't wind up having the career he had.

[King87]

I have no doubt that folks who play Madden regularly could do a better job with clock management, maybe even with play calls!

In this moment, Davii opted for violence.

[Davii]

In this moment, Davii opted for violence.

I've never chosen violence. Others have chosen violence, or violence has chosen me, on occasion.

[aberdien]

If that's true, then why did a member of the Madden Generation like Hackett suck so much ass.

[Buff]

If that's true, then why did a member of the Madden Generation like Hackett suck so much ass.

Hackett is Gen X - can't trust 'em. Stefanski is a millennial.

[King87]

I've never chosen violence. Others have chosen violence, or violence has chosen me, on occasion.

Message board violence was what you selected when you savaged him!

[Hawgdriver]

If I'm trying to spin this positively, it's hard to imagine a coach having much worse of an opening two games on the game management front and somehow we're 1-1. Hopefully we see some drastic improvement. {twitter chart that gives evidence that


at least FIVE goal-to-go situations

and ZERO touchdowns scored on them

in weeks 1 & 2

forget situational bumbling

Hackett has been a disaster in red zone play calling


You crush this one--the playcalling and game mgt. Props.

[Simple Jaded]

The #1 thing that coaches do that absolutely frustrates me having played Madden a bunch is doing literally anything other than a QB sneak on 3rd or 4th and 1. I get not wanting your QB to take too many hits, but even if you brought your backup QB in to run that play and totally telegraph what you're doing, it's still going to work probably 90% of the time. There's just no way to consistently defend it.

Payton will call the “Tush Push” a ton if the NFL doesn’t outlaw it ya heard it here first.

[Simple Jaded]

Hackett is Gen X - can't trust 'em. Stefanski is a millennial.

How cute.

Gen X dominated Madden, we invented Madden.

[Simple Jaded]

Millennials were the asshols that came along and used Madden to build 6’6/300lb WR’s that run 4.2’s . . . and still got their asses kicked by Gen X.

[King87]

Millennials were the asshols that came along and used Madden to build 6’6/300lb WR’s that run 4.2’s . . . and still got their asses kicked by Gen X.

You can’t even work your phone, hush.

[Simple Jaded]

You can’t even work your phone, hush.

My phone worked fine until you broke it.

[BroncoWave]

Payton will call the “Tush Push” a ton if the NFL doesn’t outlaw it ya heard it here first.

Or did I hear it when Payton himself said it a few weeks ago?

[King87]

My phone worked fine until you broke it.

Jaded asked me how to use the reply function and now his phone is confusing him

[aberdien]

Has Jaded ever posted a gif?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e1861968b4fc63ce54c4a209f40c188e/36b28bbd8e825329-49/s400x600/e82b0316b5600d349fce927c240687beb6e13c46.gif

[King87]

Has Jaded ever posted a gif?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e1861968b4fc63ce54c4a209f40c188e/36b28bbd8e825329-49/s400x600/e82b0316b5600d349fce927c240687beb6e13c46.gif

He will set his house on fire if he tries. Dear lord, we'll all perish because of him.

[Simple Jaded]

Has Jaded ever posted a gif?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e1861968b4fc63ce54c4a209f40c188e/36b28bbd8e825329-49/s400x600/e82b0316b5600d349fce927c240687beb6e13c46.gif

I never knew how forever, then I learned and forgot again. I learned how for the second time about a month ago.

I still can’t post pictures to BF, I have some for the Booty thread that are ******* rad.

[Simple Jaded]

Or did I hear it when Payton himself said it a few weeks ago?

No because he didn’t say it here.