2022-23 NFL Season Other Teams thread

[chazoe60]

Just a catch all for in-season other NFL teams news/rumors/scores/discussion

[chazoe60]

Never been a big fan of Jameis Winston, but his elbow/knees anatomy lesson presser was, dare I say, endearing? I like him more as a human being after that. Still glad he ain't a Bronco though.

[Nomad]

Geaux Bills!

[Buff]

Not sure if I've heard another owner say this out loud --

https://twitter.com/jjones9/status/1582470118919274497

[BroncoWave]

Not sure if I've heard another owner say this out loud --

https://twitter.com/jjones9/status/1582470118919274497

Nope, he's the first. Shit just got real.

[Northman]

Lol ******* Irsay. Send them both packing.

[Buff]

I do not necessarily think Russ is washed yet, but man, the worry with NFL QBs as they age is that their play just completely falls off a cliff at the end...

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1584604396671094784

[BroncoWave]

Bad link. I'm assuming this is the Colts/Ryan benching?

[Buff]

Bad link. I'm assuming this is the Colts/Ryan benching?

It was initially reported by Rap Sheet as a benching - but I guess Ryan has a shoulder injury which is maybe why he deleted the tweet I posted.

[Buff]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1584607752751616017

[BroncoWave]

In any case, yeah, it's like every notable 30+ year old QB fell off a cliff this year. Brady, Rodgers, Russ, and Ryan have all been crap this year. Not really sure what's going on. There's been like 5 good QBs this year and the rest have been pretty awful.

[Buff]

I assume he means the fantasy implications are big...

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1584692373925552128

[BroncoWave]

I assume he means the fantasy implications are big...

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1584692373925552128

As a Robinson owner this pleases me.

[Northman]

Oh shit, Matt Ryan got benched. Haha cant say i didnt see that coming.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34870574/colts-bench-qb-matt-ryan-start-sam-ehlinger-rest-way

[OrangeHoof]

Colts to bench Matt Ryan for the rest of the season (separated shoulder) and will start Sam Ehlinger "for the rest of the season." If the name is familiar, Ehlinger was the University of Texas quarterback that was the apple of every sportscaster's eye when he was in Austin. He also had this amazing knack of blowing games late, either with fumbles, interceptions or miscues. He did beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl one year so we'll see if he's learned anything under Frank Lloyd Reich this summer.

[dogfish]

The Ravens just traded a two and a five for Roquan Smith.

[BroncoWave]

The Ravens just traded to two and a five for Roquan Smith.

That's Chubb's value right there. I know a lot of us want a first for him, but I don't see him fetching much if any more than Roquan.

[BroncoWave]

Question I heard on a podcast today that feels impossible to answer right now:

Who is the best QB from last year's first round class? Lawrence, Lance, Wilson, Fields, or Jones? It's still early obviously, but this is feeling like a big time flop of a QB class.

I feel like the answer right now is Fields? And he's a terrible passer, but he can at least make things happen on the ground. Lawrence probably still has the highest ceiling, but he hasn't really shown it yet. Even though Russ hasn't quite been what we'd hoped for yet, I'm still not sad we punted on QB in that draft and instead got a Hall of Fame talent in PS2.

[dogfish]

Step on a nail, or poop your pants? Right now, none of those QBs is on pace to get a second contract from the team that drafted them, and that's really all that matters.

[BroncoWave]

Step on a nail, or poop your pants? Right now, none of those QBs is on pace to get a second contract from the team that drafted them, and that's really all that matters.

It's insane how bad that class is looking. You expect at least half to bust usually but all 5 of those might.

[King87]

Question I heard on a podcast today that feels impossible to answer right now:

Who is the best QB from last year's first round class? Lawrence, Lance, Wilson, Fields, or Jones? It's still early obviously, but this is feeling like a big time flop of a QB class.

I feel like the answer right now is Fields? And he's a terrible passer, but he can at least make things happen on the ground. Lawrence probably still has the highest ceiling, but he hasn't really shown it yet. Even though Russ hasn't quite been what we'd hoped for yet, I'm still not sad we punted on QB in that draft and instead got a Hall of Fame talent in PS2.

My poor Fields is so much better than what he can show in Chicago. I shall protest every last day until he is freed.

[chazoe60]

Lamar is a BOSS

https://twitter.com/Lj_era8/status/1590118705920606208?t=uHFEbVNTzQcUx9BJKDDQxA&s=19

[chazoe60]

https://twitter.com/Lj_era8/status/1590118705920606208?t=uHFEbVNTzQcUx9BJKDDQxA&s=19

[King87]

Makes you feel some hope.

[Buff]

We will see the Raiders next week -

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1590782493174935552

[Simple Jaded]

“Terrible passer” just threw 3 Tuddy’s, dude makes sick throws regularly.

#WaveThangs

[BroncoWave]

“Terrible passer” just threw 3 Tuddy’s, dude makes sick throws regularly.

#WaveThangs

Now do his completion %. Tebow had a 3 passing TD game too.

[Buff]

Rooting against SF to improve our '23 first rounder for the rest of the year -

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1590804092531900416

[King87]

Now do his completion %. Tebow had a 3 passing TD game too.

Now compare his line, his weapons, his coaches, etc.

In year two, halfway through the season, the team is FINALLY scheming to the same strengths we've seen pay off in Hurts, Jackson, etc. Tebow had DT and Decker. Field's most talented weapon was Allen Robinson and Claypool. Claypool is a nice talent but literally just got to the team. They've been asking Fields to carry a burden (all those factors) that Rodgers and Brady have struggled to carry this year.

[BroncoWave]

Now compare his line, his weapons, his coaches, etc.

In year two, halfway through the season, the team is FINALLY scheming to the same strengths we've seen pay off in Hurts, Jackson, etc. Tebow had DT and Decker. Field's most talented weapon was Allen Robinson and Claypool. Claypool is a nice talent but literally just got to the team. They've been asking Fields to carry a burden (all those factors) that Rodgers and Brady have struggled to carry this year.

Hurts and Jackson evolved into good passers in year two.

[King87]

Hurts and Jackson evolved into good passers in year two.

Hurts was not a good passer in year two. Hurts also had a talented WR and one of the best lines in year two. If you watch Fields play, it's pretty clear he could have had hit the 61% 16 TDs and 9 INTs. Fields' bad coaching, lack of real NFL weapons, and historically bad line are facts that haven't changed. You're a man of nuance, you can at least acknowledge them and be less Jaded.

[Simple Jaded]

BroncoJaded. . .

[Simple Jaded]

Rooting against SF to improve our '23 first rounder for the rest of the year -

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1590804092531900416
I don’t think Varrett has ever played a full season, or even a half season. There is no player more snakebitten that I can remember.

[Simple Jaded]

Tebow had a 3 passing TD game too.

I don’t believe you.

[Simple Jaded]

There is literally no comparison between Tebow and Fields passing, stop box score scouting.

#LiesDamnliesStats

[Simple Jaded]

Hurts and Jackson evolved into good passers in year two.

Don’t look now but Fields is literally doing the same thing right before before our eyes, ask any NFL analyst that isn’t already biased.

[King87]

This is also very important: I met Justin Fields and he called me "The Big Homie," before he dapped me up.

Hardcore proof that he's the GOAT.

[Eddiemac87]

This is also very important: I met Justin Fields and he called me "The Big Homie," before he dapped me up.

Hardcore proof that he's the GOAT.


I called you names too….never referred to me as the GOAT :tsk:

[King87]

I called you names too….never referred to me as the GOAT :tsk:

Did you dap me up? NO!

[dogfish]

I called you names too….never referred to me as the GOAT :tsk:

Sure, but "you azzhole" lacks a certain subtlety.

[slim]

I don’t think Varrett has ever played a full season, or even a half season. There is no player more snakebitten that I can remember.

You have a short memory!

[Simple Jaded]

You have a short memory!

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

[dogfish]

You have a short memory!

And short arms!

#ShotsFired

[Nomad]

I’m really glad for this young man. A Jennings, Louisiana product.

20969

[King87]

Bears line once again get the guy hurt. Guy goes out there and makes spectacular plays and right, left, and center. Maybe just maybe there's some hope in Chicago.

[Simple Jaded]

Bears line once again get the guy hurt. Guy goes out there and makes spectacular plays and right, left, and center. Maybe just maybe there's some hope in Chicago.

Fields and all those picks > PS2 and Wilson

[King87]

Fields and all those picks > PS2 and Wilson

This is science.

[Simple Jaded]

This is science.

This; is science.

[dogfish]

This is science.

The math remains open.

[Buff]

Hard not to love this guy:

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1592943845989548034

[aberdien]

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1592519371246931970?s=20&t=dbHlrK00MqVHdevgpAnN7g

[Northman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6NM68Kn2Js

[Simple Jaded]

Sharpe won three SB’s without cheating every step of the way and retired with most records for TE’s. He retired as one of the GOATs, albeit, not the GOAT.

Shannon Sharpe > Thom Lady

Stealers QB hands are too small, how can you lead a lockerroom with a micro . . . Hand?

[King87]

Jaded watches us. We made it, fam!

[Simple Jaded]

The notion that the Vikings OL sucks.

LT — Christian Darrisaw, 1st round pick.
LG — Ezra Cleveland, 2nd round pick.
C — Garrett Bradbury, 1st round pick.
RG — Ed Ingram, 2nd round pick.
RT — Brian O’Neill, 2nd round pick.

I Don’t know their stats (never will, either), but maybe the reason their OL “stats” suck is because of Kirk Cousins (ya see how stupid that argument sounds?).

[Simple Jaded]

Jaded watches us. We made it, fam!

I just found it, you guys are good … wrong, but good.

[King87]

The notion that the Vikings OL sucks.

LT — Christian Darrisaw, 1st round pick.
LG — Ezra Cleveland, 2nd round pick.
C — Garrett Bradbury, 1st round pick.
RG — Ed Ingram, 2nd round pick.
RT — Brian O’Neill, 2nd round pick.

I Don’t know their stats (never will, either), but maybe the reason their OL “stats” suck is because of Kirk Cousins (ya see how stupid that argument sounds?).

Just because you have a lot of high draft picks doesn't mean you've a good line.

[King87]

I just found it, you guys are good … wrong, but good.

I'm advocating for hiring good coaches (Munchak), moving players around to different positions, and being aggressive in free agency to get the line fixed. You can't think I'm categorically wrong, can you? Do you? Do I have to put on that red light?

[Simple Jaded]

Just because you have a lot of high draft picks doesn't mean you've a good line.

I went on to give you a so-called legitimate reason that the OL sucks.

[Simple Jaded]

I'm advocating for hiring good coaches (Munchak), moving players around to different positions, and being aggressive in free agency to get the line fixed. You can't think I'm categorically wrong, can you? Do you? Do I have to put on that red light?

You’re categorically wrong about Cousins.

[Simple Jaded]

Just because you have a lot of high draft picks doesn't mean you've a good line.

Btw

*Your’are

[Simple Jaded]

Jaded’s assessment of the Vikings OL

LT— Darrisaw, 34 1/4” arm length
LG— Cleveland, 33 3/8” arm length
C— Bradbury, 31 and ******* 3/4’s inches (no wonder he sucks)
RG— Ed Ingram, 33 5/8” arm length
RT— Brian O’Neill, 34 1/4” arm length

Bradbury is actually the weakest link, btw, he does suck. But the rest of the OL is “Top 10”, it’s science.

[King87]

I went on to give you a so-called legitimate reason that the OL sucks.

How does one of the most consistent QB's in the game make that line suck? It just seems like you're grading both the players and the outcomes on talent. It's not how it works. Regardless, we'll never agree on this. Ever. And that's actually kind of cool because at the end of the day nothing matters, there is no God, and all there is is dust in the wind...until both the dust and the wind are gone as well.

#thistookadarkturn
#happyholidays

[King87]

You’re categorically wrong about Cousins.

I have never heard a reasonable argument as to how anyone as productive as he is, with radically different contexts of the team he originally had in WAS to the team he latter had in WAS, and the fluctuations of players in MIN, could be bad. You're not saying he's overrated. You're not saying he's above average and just that. You're saying he's flat out bad at football. That's the problem; there's nothing to really support....wait...hold on...oh shit...the wind is gone....nothing matters

[aberdien]

His ceiling is Phil Rivers

[King87]

His ceiling is Phil Rivers

Rivers was considered by some to be a HoFer at his retirement. I know what you mean, but if scrub = Rivers we're wilding out.

We live in an era where stupid people scream 'mid' at anything short of excellent, but back in my day we had the decency to know that things/players could be considered above average. Not saying you're guilty of this, Abe. Please don't think I'm calling you stupid. I don't think anyone on this board is truly stupid. Well, the active posters anyway. :lol:

[dogfish]

Why you gotta call Abe stupid? Uncalled for!

[Simple Jaded]

How does one of the most consistent QB's in the game make that line suck? It just seems like you're grading both the players and the outcomes on talent. It's not how it works. Regardless, we'll never agree on this. Ever. And that's actually kind of cool because at the end of the day nothing matters, there is no God, and all there is is dust in the wind...until both the dust and the wind are gone as well.

#thistookadarkturn
#happyholidays

How does a future HoF and SB Champion make his OL suck? I’m just using your argument against you.

Given the choice I wouldn’t want either pretentious QB, especially the QB that’s not a HoFer/SB Champion.

[Simple Jaded]

If there’s was a god would I be stuck watching Tim Tebow, Case Siemian and Brian Beierlein for almost my entire adult life?

[Northman]

Jaded watches us. We made it, fam!

He's a nerd.

[King87]

How does a future HoF and SB Champion make his OL suck? I’m just using your argument against you.

Given the choice I wouldn’t want either pretentious QB, especially the QB that’s not a HoFer/SB Champion.

Well, if he's a mobile QB that relies on his physical attributes and then doesn't use them, can't diagnose a defense, makes bad throws, holds onto the ball too long, and does a bunch of other bad shit that Russ has done all season long that'd be a start.

Russ won his SB as a game manager and you yourself said that he's playing his way into maybe not being a HoFer. Hadn't even thought about that until you posted it.

I don't believe that you can successfully use my argument against me here. If for no other reason than the fact that Cousins is playing well.

[aberdien]

Rivers was considered by some to be a HoFer at his retirement. I know what you mean, but if scrub = Rivers we're wilding out.

We live in an era where stupid people scream 'mid' at anything short of excellent, but back in my day we had the decency to know that things/players could be considered above average. Not saying you're guilty of this, Abe. Please don't think I'm calling you stupid. I don't think anyone on this board is truly stupid. Well, the active posters anyway. :lol:

https://media0.giphy.com/media/Lq4E3LNKkpPQA/giphy.gif

[King87]

What movie is that? Also, I lawl'd!

[aberdien]

Nacho Libre, potentially the greatest and most wonderfully sincere and uplifting movie ever made. I cry everytime I watch it.

https://media.tenor.com/2c8ehli7ZX0AAAAM/best.gif

[King87]

That's not really my thing, but glad you like it. I am a Gentle King...but it is not in my nature to be happy.

Happy holidays mofo!

[aberdien]

That's not really my thing, but glad you like it. I am a Gentle King...but it is not in my nature to be happy.

Happy holidays mofo!

Trust, it would be your thing!

[King87]

Trust, it would be your thing!

Do you swear on Jimmy G's good looks?

[aberdien]

Do you swear on Jimmy G's good looks?

What a guy, what a babe.

[King87]

What a guy, what a babe.

Only if you swear and state it plainly shall I watch this movie. Failure to do so will cause me to unleash a great destruction upon you, or something. I dunno. I'll figure it out.

[aberdien]

I swear on Jimmy G's good looks.

https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/nacho-libre-no-place-noz859evma6o9ur8.gif

[King87]

I'll watch it tonight since I have nothing better to do.

[King87]

Just a catch all for in-season other NFL teams news/rumors/scores/discussion


Why you gotta call Abe stupid? Uncalled for!


If there’s was a god would I be stuck watching Tim Tebow, Case Siemian and Brian Beierlein for almost my entire adult life?


What a journey.

[OrangeHoof]

Texans-Titans game delayed one hour for power outages around the stadium.

The moment you realize you are a hopeless NFL addict is when you STILL care about the Titans-Texans game...

[Simple Jaded]

Texas still can't withstand a lil bit of weather.

[Simple Jaded]

Jaded’s assessment of the Vikings OL

LT— Darrisaw, 34 1/4” arm length
LG— Cleveland, 33 3/8” arm length
C— Bradbury, 31 and ******* 3/4’s inches (no wonder he sucks)
RG— Ed Ingram, 33 5/8” arm length
RT— Brian O’Neill, 34 1/4” arm length

Bradbury is actually the weakest link, btw, he does suck. But the rest of the OL is “Top 10”, it’s science.

Lol

Both Vikings T's are in PFFs Top 5.

"Cousins is so goooooood"

#IloveStats

Btw, so is Andrew Thomas. Sweet.

[King87]

Twas not that long ago that Cousins was one of the most pressured QBs in the game...and by that I mean literally this season.

Andrew Thomas still gets manhandled at the line, but he is a stat darling. Then again, he always was.

Jaded loves PFF.

[aberdien]

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1607768315828617216?s=20&t=CQdc7vIBbaztcIWfK5eW6Q

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1607769979369422849?s=20&t=CQdc7vIBbaztcIWfK5eW6Q

[King87]

I'm sure he'll first ballot, as he should. One of the best defensive players in league history. Injuries slowed him down from being the GOAT, which he had a shot at.

[aberdien]

What is Jaded doing wearing a Browns jersey?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ravens/comments/zx8c52/most_logical_cleveland_fan/

[Northman]

Carr being benched in favor of Stidham for final 2 games. Frankly, i liked Jarrett while he was at Auburn so this might make the Raider games interesting the final 2 weeks.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35335730/raiders-bench-qb-derek-carr-start-jarrett-stidham-vs-49ers

[aberdien]

McDouche loves to alienate QBs and replace them with complete scrubs when he goes to a new team. I'm just surprised it took him so long this time. I'd take Carr in a heartbeat.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1608180611293892608?s=20&t=_w8Pj1yl-dAaz-noe5pBBQ

https://twitter.com/robertmays/status/1608182864222519301?s=20&t=_w8Pj1yl-dAaz-noe5pBBQ

[Northman]

Thank goodness you dont run the team.

[aberdien]

Thank goodness you dont run the team.

You'd rather have Russ?

[Northman]

You'd rather have Russ?

No but it aint like Carr is going to be better. Dude has already hit his ceiling.

[aberdien]

No but it aint like Carr is going to be better. Dude has already hit his ceiling.

Dude is not a bad QB. Not gonna singlehandedly get you to the playoffs, but he can be a solid QB when he's not being McDaniels'd.

[aberdien]

https://i.imgflip.com/75qjz8.jpg

[Northman]

https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/16761651_web1_FBN-RAIDERS-AUG05-22hf_023.jpg?crop=1

[aberdien]

*googles Radiers #3*

What's the deal with north and having a raging hard-on for former Patriots QBs?

[Northman]

*googles Radiers #3*

What's the deal with north and having a raging hard-on for former Patriots QBs?

I like Stidham who played at Auburn, thats all. He could suck donkey balls but i hope he unseats Carr the scrub at the very least.

[dogfish]

Dude is not a bad QB. Not gonna singlehandedly get you to the playoffs, but he can be a solid QB when he's not being McDaniels'd.

He's basically the same dude as Kurt Cousins. Sort of borderline top ten-ish level QB. As you said, he won't carry a roster on his back to the playoffs, and even with a good team around him will likely lose to a team with a better QB at some point in the playoffs. He'll need everything to bounce just exactly right to ever compete for a championship, but he can win a lot of games in the right situation-- like Kurt is doing right now. IF Carr does get outright released, he'd be a fool not to make a bee-line for New York. He's never been coached by anybody half as smart as Daboll-- would be interesting to see what Brian could do with a guy like Carr, after the production he's gotten out of super scrub Daniel Jones.

Also, please God let McDaniels draft the Raiders next QB!

[aberdien]

I like Stidham who played at Auburn, thats all. He could suck donkey balls but i hope he unseats Carr the scrub at the very least.

Carr has already been unseated!

[Northman]

Carr has already been unseated!

For the last 2 games, i havent read anything where Stidham is the QB going into next year.

[aberdien]

For the last 2 games, i havent read anything where Stidham is the QB going into next year.

Carr has been benched, won't be suiting up, and McD has been as clear as you can be at this point that he's not keeping him for next year. Stidham could suck shit and Carr is still unseated!

[Northman]

Carr has been benched, won't be suiting up, and McD has been as clear as you can be at this point that he's not keeping him for next year. Stidham could suck shit and Carr is still unseated!

Welp, guess Carr shouldnt have thrown those 3 2nd half INTS that cost them a chance at the playoffs. *Shrugs* lol

[dogfish]

For the last 2 games, i havent read anything where Stidham is the QB going into next year.

Money talks, and bullshit walks. They're benching Carr to avoid the injury guarantee in his next year's contract.

[aberdien]

Money talks, and bullshit walks. They're benching Carr to avoid the injury guarantee in his next year's contract.


Welp, guess Carr shouldnt have thrown those 3 2nd half INTS that cost them a chance at the playoffs. *Shrugs* lol

Also according to Raiders fans McDaniels is asking Carr to do a lot of things that he is not good at, and not letting him to the things he is good at that got them to the playoffs last season. Another example of how important it is to scheme according to the strength of your players. Almost every QB needs good coaching to be good, they all can't be Pey Pey.

https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1608235181244039169?s=20&t=CpTZ4HMtkwnCFER_PnLjSQ

For a player who has been as passionate as Carr has been for that godforsaken team, they've done him dirty on the way out.

[Northman]

Also according to Raiders fans McDaniels is asking Carr to do a lot of things that he is not good at, and not letting him to the things he is good at that got them to the playoffs last season. Another example of how important it is to scheme according to the strength of your players. Almost every QB needs good coaching to be good, they all can't be Pey Pey.

https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1608235181244039169?s=20&t=CpTZ4HMtkwnCFER_PnLjSQ

For a player who has been as passionate as Carr has been for that godforsaken team, they've done him dirty on the way out.


I highly doubt that Stidham is much different than Carr in that respect. Carr is a middle tier QB who is up and down with his consistency and that is probably why he is being benched. He's a severe choke artist going back before McDaniels even got there. It cracks me up when fans try to spin shit to make bad QB's look like they are better than they are. This isnt an endorsement for McDaniels but lets not pretend Carr was some top tier QB going into this year. Fans have massively overrated Carr for many years now but he is actually the Raiders version of Kyle Orton.

[aberdien]

I highly doubt that Stidham is much different than Carr in that respect. Carr is a middle tier QB who is up and down with his consistency and that is probably why he is being benched. He's a severe choke artist going back before McDaniels even got there. It cracks me up when fans try to spin shit to make bad QB's look like they are better than they are. This isnt an endorsement for McDaniels but lets not pretend Carr was some top tier QB going into this year. Fans have massively overrated Carr for many years now but he is actually the Raiders version of Kyle Orton.

Bruh, you're telling me Stidham - literally a nobody - and Carr - a QB who has won games and been successful and gone to the playoffs - are on the same level?

Like, I'm not saying Carr is a top QB by any means. He's very much average. But many teams would kill to have a mid-tier QB like him.

[Northman]

Bruh, you're telling me Stidham - literally a nobody - and Carr - a QB who has won games and been successful and gone to the playoffs - are on the same level?

Like, I'm not saying Carr is a top QB by any means. He's very much average. But many teams would kill to have a mid-tier QB like him.

Actually my point was at worst Stidham would be on Carr's level which we both agree is very average.

[aberdien]

Actually my point was at worst Stidham would be on Carr's level which we both agree is very average.

So you're telling me at worst, this 4th round, 4th year nobody who has thrown 61 passes, 2 TDs/4 INTS is on Carr's level....AT WORST????

https://media.tenor.com/7sSH1hap5WkAAAAd/jim-420.gif

[Northman]

So you're telling me at worst, this 4th round, 4th year nobody who has thrown 61 passes, 2 TDs/4 INTS is on Carr's level....AT WORST????



Yes, im saying that in the last 2 games its unlikely that Jarrett will play worse than the guy he is replacing. Its not like he is replacing Peyton Manning here so quit trying to put Carr on that level. Lol

[R8R H8R]

https://twitter.com/darmstrong44/status/1608185268905062400?s=61&t=8CPkkGQvzvVX63B4Cl1N0g

[Northman]

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/28/right-decision-las-vegas-raiders-josh-mcdaniels-move-on-from-derek-carr/?taid=63ace0c7540f7d0001e0d7fe&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter


It’s time. One could argue it’s past time. Nearing the end of his ninth season with the Raiders, Derek Carr has been benched in favor of backup Jarrett Stidham for the final two games of the season.



Head coach Josh McDaniels made the announcement Wednesday in the week following Derek Carr’s latest poor performance in what would be the Raiders fifth blown lead and second half collapse of the season. In addition, Carr and the Raiders have decided it best that he stay away for the final two weeks (https://twitter.com/VicTafur/status/1608255532707770368) so as not to be a distraction.





We came into this season saying Derek Carr has no excuses. And that’s still where we are. He has an All Pro wide receiver, a Pro Bowl slot receiver, a Pro Bowl tight end, the league’s leading rusher, and an offensive line that has played above expectations. The defense hasn’t been great, but you can’t blame them for these collapses when it’s the offense that is getting shut out in the second half.

[Simple Jaded]

Lolol

Gotta love Doogie, biggest doucher I’ve ever seen.

[Simple Jaded]

He's basically the same dude as Kurt Cousins. Sort of borderline top ten-ish level QB. As you said, he won't carry a roster on his back to the playoffs, and even with a good team around him will likely lose to a team with a better QB at some point in the playoffs. He'll need everything to bounce just exactly right to ever compete for a championship, but he can win a lot of games in the right situation-- like Kurt is doing right now. IF Carr does get outright released, he'd be a fool not to make a bee-line for New York. He's never been coached by anybody half as smart as Daboll-- would be interesting to see what Brian could do with a guy like Carr, after the production he's gotten out of super scrub Daniel Jones.

Also, please God let McDaniels draft the Raiders next QB!

That’s it!

Fight me!

[Simple Jaded]

Twas not that long ago that Cousins was one of the most pressured QBs in the game...and by that I mean literally this season.

Andrew Thomas still gets manhandled at the line, but he is a stat darling. Then again, he always was.

Jaded loves PFF.
Nope.

I’d take Christian Darrisaw, that’s it. The rest of their OL just ain’t my jam.

[Simple Jaded]

The Stealers could offer TJ Watt for Andrew Thomas and the Gents would say “Nope”.

Real talk, no trolling. Facts.

[Northman]

That’s it!

Fight me!

You would lose. If you die, you die.

[Northman]

Bruh, you're telling me Stidham - literally a nobody - and Carr - a QB who has won games and been successful and gone to the playoffs - are on the same level?



Im thinking Stidham might actually be better. :lol:

Stidham- 23/33 365 Yds passing 3 TDs, 1 Int 123.9 QB Rating and still a chance to win in OT vs SF.

[aberdien]

It feels like Ron Rivera wants to get fired so he can get paid and not have to work for that garbage franchise any more.

https://twitter.com/Raggs_No_Riches/status/1609686416170143749?s=20&t=FRyNMrcTv8gfgCUbpeai3g

[chazoe60]

Also according to Raiders fans McDaniels is asking Carr to do a lot of things that he is not good at, and not letting him to the things he is good at that got them to the playoffs last season. Another example of how important it is to scheme according to the strength of your players. Almost every QB needs good coaching to be good, they all can't be Pey Pey.

https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/1608235181244039169?s=20&t=CpTZ4HMtkwnCFER_PnLjSQ

For a player who has been as passionate as Carr has been for that godforsaken team, they've done him dirty on the way out.

I wonder if Carr's mascara ran when he was benched.

[aberdien]

I wonder if Carr's mascara ran when he was benched.

It probably did while he was watching the game tonight.

[dogfish]

You would lose. If you die, you die.

Don't bet your house. I'm not very good at fighting. And Jaded probably fights dirty. At least he can't pull my hair, though.



I wonder if Carr's mascara ran when he was benched.

Almost as fast as all their talent is going to run away from McDaniels next year.

[Simple Jaded]

You would lose. If you die, you die.

If you die you lose a very important part of your life.

[Simple Jaded]

Im thinking Stidham might actually be better. :lol:

Stidham- 23/33 365 Yds passing 3 TDs, 1 Int 123.9 QB Rating and still a chance to win in OT vs SF.

Stidham has been in that system since his rookie season.

There’s only one GM in the NFL that would take Stidham over Carr, congratulations, you’re in rare company.

[dogfish]

If you die you lose a very important part of your life.

Was that Will Ferrell, or Sun Tsu?

[Simple Jaded]

Was that Will Ferrell, or Sun Tsu?

It was Brook Shields, I wanna say.

[Simple Jaded]

It was Brook Shields, I wanna say.

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/brooke_shields_100149

Close enough.

[Nomad]

I didn’t realize Mike McDaniels was on the hot seat and has a good chance to be fired if the Dolphins lose to the Jets?

[spikerman]

I didn’t realize Mike McDaniels was on the hot seat and has a good chance to be fired if the Dolphins lose to the Jets?

Really? That’s crazy. Where is that coming from?

[aberdien]

Dolphins were good before their QB got concussed more than once. Firing McDaniel would be an extremely bad decision.

[dogfish]

That's stupidity. Ross is a douchebag. I hope they never win another game if they actually do it.

[Nomad]

Really? That’s crazy. Where is that coming from?

Whoever Armando Salguero is. I’m sure it’s rumors, but he’s supposedly a Dolphin’s insider.

https://sportsnaut.com/mike-mcdaniel-hot-seat-miami-dolphins/amp/

[BroncoWave]

That's stupidity. Ross is a douchebag. I hope they never win another game if they actually do it.

Hey if he does that's another great candidate for us to interview. I think they should fire him.

[aberdien]

He's coming home

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLaYkMxX0AU1v55.jpg

[Simple Jaded]

He's coming home

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLaYkMxX0AU1v55.jpg

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

[Simple Jaded]

Dolphins were good before their QB got concussed more than once. Firing McDaniel would be an extremely bad decision.

Ross has been dying to hire Jim Harbaugh for years, maybe that’s why this is a story.

[Northman]

Classy send off they did for JJ.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEW7QPkFoTc

[Simple Jaded]

So the Chargers scored 30 points but blew a 27 lead and fired the offensive coaches? Seems legit.

[King87]

So the Chargers scored 30 points but blew a 27 lead and fired the offensive coaches? Seems legit.

Well, they sound stupid as **** and massively oblivious when you put it like that.

[BroncoWave]

So the Chargers scored 30 points but blew a 27 lead and fired the offensive coaches? Seems legit.

They got those 30 points off 5 turnovers. Lot of short fields. Two of their TD drives were 18 and 16 yards. Not to say the offense was totally the reason they lost, but let's not act like the defense isn't the main reason they built that lead.

[Northman]

They got those 30 points off 5 turnovers. Lot of short fields. Two of their TD drives were 18 and 16 yards. Not to say the offense was totally the reason they lost, but let's not act like the defense isn't the main reason they built that lead.

Thats fair but they also gave up 45 pts i believe earlier in the year while at home.

[BroncoJoe]

Thats fair but they also gave up 45 pts i believe earlier in the year while at home.

38 to the Jags.

[Northman]

38 to the Jags.

Close enough. Lol

[King87]

They got those 30 points off 5 turnovers. Lot of short fields. Two of their TD drives were 18 and 16 yards. Not to say the offense was totally the reason they lost, but let's not act like the defense isn't the main reason they built that lead.

It felt more like they feasted off of **** ups than caused them. This wasn’t Von ass ******* an offense into the ground. This was a baby QB playing like drunk Favre

[BroncoWave]

Here's a better way to frame my last post: the Chargers had one TD drive longer than 18 yards in that game. One. Not TD play. TD drive.

If you're just looking at that score and saying "oh they scored 30, why they firing the OC?" you're just totally ignoring the context of how those points were scored.

[King87]

Here's a better way to frame my last post: the Chargers had one TD drive longer than 18 yards in that game. One. Not TD play. TD drive.

If you're just looking at that score and saying "oh they scored 30, why they firing the OC?" you're just totally ignoring the context of how those points were scored.

You’re not totally wrong or right. I think the proper solution would be to fire everyone.

[King87]

I really like that framing, Wave.

[King87]

Real talk - my homie was in discord watching the game. He loves TLaw. He is new to football. I was telling him that the jags probably catch the L, but folding is the Chargers…way of life? Creed, code, etc.

This was nothing short of hilarious to hear him go nuts during the comeback

He couldn’t fathom such a ****up

Watching someone new to the sport be baffled by that level of failure really reminded me to not take the chargers sucking for granted. I need to appreciate it more. What they give us is special

[aberdien]

All 6 Chargers fans have complained about Lombardi all year, so we'll see if they're right.

Poor Herbert getting ruined in real time.

[King87]

I kind of hate where I live in regards to sports.

[aberdien]

Cincinatti FC!

[Northman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCsIvBToYq8

[dogfish]

Aiyuk is a stud.

[King87]

Aiyuk is a stud.

And he has a great name.

[Simple Jaded]

I can’t believe Russell Wilson got Ed Donatell fired today.

[King87]

I can’t believe Russell Wilson got Ed Donatell fired today.

I can't believe Russ forced McDonald's to **** up my order.

He's getting out of control and I'm tired of it, fam. I'm big mad.

[Buff]

I can’t believe Russell Wilson got Ed Donatell fired today.

The Donatell news didn't totally shock me, but I was a bit surprised that Russ was able to oust the New Zealand Prime Minister.

[Simple Jaded]

Wilson’s probably the most prolific fraud we’ve ever seen.

[King87]

Wilson’s probably the most prolific fraud we’ve ever seen.

Oooooooh

[aberdien]

https://twitter.com/CowboysNation/status/1615928700939255810?s=20&t=crJLIoPEcbMvMgsJzRCvQg

[OrangeHoof]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-charles-omenihu-arrested-on-suspicion-of-domestic-violence-team-releases-statement/

Charles Omenihu, defender for the 49ers was arrested on suspicion of domestic violence. Could be out for the NFC championship game.

Another University of Texas player/coach accused of domestic violence. I guess those mandatory courses on 'toxic masculinity' aren't hitting home.

[King87]

Probably pent up rage over being irrelevant in college sports; please interpret that to mean the entire state.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have completed an interview with Denver Broncos passing game coordinator Klint Kubiak for their open offensive coordinator position, the team announced Wednesday.

Kubiak is the son of longtime NFL coach Gary Kubiak, and spent the 2021 season as the offensive coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings.

Jacksonville Jaguars passing game coordinator Jim Bob Cooter and Minnesota Vikings wide receivers coach Keenan McCardell are also expected to interview for job recently vacated by Byron Leftwich.

The Bucs also requested an interview with Houston Texans offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton, but they were declined.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bucs-complete-interview-with-klint-kubiak-for-offensive-coordinator-job/ar-AA16KFiC

[BroncoWave]

Hahahahahaha

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1618636597850943491?t=j0jBmD4E6hrL3IdWv6Zgrw&s=19

[BroncoWave]

This guy literally gonna make a whole career on being Aaron Rodgers bait.

[King87]

It worked so well last time!

[Northman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PACA1x6DSho

[FanInAZ]

This guy literally gonna make a whole career on being Aaron Rodgers bait.

I remember hearing the Jets’ HC try to do a spin job about how they still believe in Zack Wilson and they hope this entire benching episode will be a learning experience for him :lol: Good thing that my equilibrium is solid enough to have kept me from getting dizzy or I might have wrecked my car while listening to this while driving :ahhhhh:

[Denver Native (Carol)]

After firing defensive coordinator Josh Boyer at the end of the 2022 season, the Miami Dolphins interviewed four candidates for the role, including Sean Desai, Anthony Campanile, Kris Richard and Vic Fangio.

According to NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero, the Dolphins and Fangio have agreed to terms to become Miami’s defensive coordinator. Pelissero noted that the deal is set to be for three years with a fourth-year team option.

Fangio, 64, is finishing up the season as a defensive consultant for the Philadelphia Eagles, who are set to play in the NFC Championship on Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/dolphins-to-hire-vic-fangio-as-next-defensive-coordinator/ar-AA16S1rL

[Northman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUBK6B5yNyE

[Simple Jaded]

“Let’s get into how horribly wrong I was, because I think think that is something that people might enjoy”

Lololololololzzzzz

[King87]

“Let’s get into how horribly wrong I was, because I think think that is something that people might enjoy”

Lololololololzzzzz
I owned it.

[Simple Jaded]

I owned it.

It’s not just that you owned it, you delivered that with the comedic precision of a Young and Quaffed Bill Burr.

[King87]

Awwww thx!

[King87]

I was I was pleasant here as I come off on video.

I try to be. Hmmm…I’m poopy

[Simple Jaded]

King, Kirk Cousins wife is sneaky hot, maybe an 7 out of 10, probably a 6.5 at least.

I take back almost nothing I ever said about Cousins.

[Simple Jaded]

King, Kirk Cousins wife is sneaky hot, maybe an 7 out of 10, probably a 6.5 at least.

I take back almost nothing I ever said about Cousins.

Dem boobies

[King87]

Jaded said "almost nothing," so he's taking back something....this is progress.

[Simple Jaded]

Jaded said "almost nothing," so he's taking back something....this is progress.

Exactly.

[Simple Jaded]

My buddy is currently having a Twitter fight with some dude that wrote an article “Kirk Cousins is a better QB than John Elway”.

The human species is ******.

[BroncoWave]

My buddy is currently having a Twitter fight with some dude that wrote an article “Kirk Cousins is a better QB than John Elway”.

The human species is ******.

Yeah your buddy should know better than to take troll bait like that!

[Simple Jaded]

Yeah your buddy should know better than to take troll bait like that!

Especially being my buddy. Have I taught people nothing?

[BroncoWave]

Especially being my buddy. Have I taught people nothing?

Right? He must hear worse takes than that every day talking to you!

[Simple Jaded]

Right? He must hear worse takes than that every day talking to you!

Humans are so misguided, I am but one man!

[dogfish]

My buddy is currently having a Twitter fight with some dude that wrote an article “Kirk Cousins is a better QB than John Elway”.

The human species is ******.

:lol::lol:

[aberdien]

Upon research, most people on the internet believe Brett Favre was better than Elway.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/8703ia/who_do_you_rank_higher_all_time_brett_favre_or/

[King87]

Elway was better than Favre by a margin that isn’t massive.

Elway is better than Cousins by a margin so massive that we need scientists to study it.

But none of them are greater than onion rings.

[BroncoWave]

Elway was better than Favre by a margin that isn’t massive.

Elway is better than Cousins by a margin so massive that we need scientists to study it.

But none of them are greater than onion rings.

What's the bigger gap: Elway to Kirk Cousins, or Kirk Cousins to salad?

[King87]

What's the bigger gap: Elway to Kirk Cousins, or Kirk Cousins to salad?

I'd have to consult the oracles, but I hate the shit out of salad and Cousins is pretty good at sports...

[aberdien]

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1621965335099228161?s=20&t=3w3wvcxNa6puC_nRdU6v4A

[King87]

He’s just a automaton that won’t fight McCarthy like Moore did.

[dogfish]

He’s just a automaton that won’t fight McCarthy like Moore did.

*an

[Northman]

My buddy is currently having a Twitter fight with some dude that wrote an article “Kirk Cousins is a better QB than John Elway”.

The human species is ******.

Thats ok, some dude posted a bunch of stats with Mahomes vs Elway claiming Mahomes was better because "stats". Thought you would be proud of my pushback on that.

[BroncoWave]

Thats ok, some dude posted a bunch of stats with Mahomes vs Elway claiming Mahomes was better because "stats". Thought you would be proud of my pushback on that.

Comparing stats across eras like that is stupid, but it's not that absurd to argue Mahomes vs Elway as players. Dude is 27 and might already be a week away from matching Elway in rings. Assuming he stays healthy and plays another decade or so, I don't think anything about their resumes will even be close. I know Broncos fans don't want to hear this, but I don't think many people if anyone are going to put Elway's career ahead of Mahomes when both are done playing, and I'm not sure they'll be wrong.

[Northman]

Comparing stats across eras like that is stupid, but it's not that absurd to argue Mahomes vs Elway as players. Dude is 27 and might already be a week away from matching Elway in rings. Assuming he stays healthy and plays another decade or so, I don't think anything about their resumes will even be close. I know Broncos fans don't want to hear this, but I don't think many people if anyone are going to put Elway's career ahead of Mahomes when both are done playing, and I'm not sure they'll be wrong.

Well which is though? You kind of contradicted yourself there. Either the eras are different or they are not. I would argue Mahomes has had it easier than John even early in his career. Not taking anything away from Patrick as he will most certainly be a HOF'r but i doubt that Patrick would have had the same success as John had the roles been reversed. IMO

[King87]

*an

Not even good enough for the n.

[BroncoWave]

Well which is though? You kind of contradicted yourself there. Either the eras are different or they are not. I would argue Mahomes has had it easier than John even early in his career. Not taking anything away from Patrick as he will most certainly be a HOF'r but i doubt that Patrick would have had the same success as John had the roles been reversed. IMO

I didn't contradict myself. I just said that despite the fact that it's dumb to compare stats across eras, Mahomes is still probably already on Elway's level if not passed him. I don't agree at all that Mahomes wouldn't have still been dominant in the 80s and 90s. His talent would work in any era. It's not like he's just a product of a modern offensive system. He has elite talent and athleticism.

Not gonna lie, you're just being a really biased broncos fan to act like it's absurd to possibly put Mahomes ahead of Elway. And I say this as someone whose childhood hero was Elway and he was my favorite athlete of all time. But you just can't deny what Mahomes has done.

[Northman]

I didn't contradict myself. I just said that despite the fact that it's dumb to compare stats across eras, Mahomes is still probably already on Elway's level if not passed him. I don't agree at all that Mahomes wouldn't have still been dominant in the 80s and 90s. His talent would work in any era. It's not like he's just a product of a modern offensive system. He has elite talent and athleticism.

Not gonna lie, you're just being a really biased broncos fan to act like it's absurd to possibly put Mahomes ahead of Elway. And I say this as someone whose childhood hero was Elway and he was my favorite athlete of all time. But you just can't deny what Mahomes has done.

I didnt deny what Mahomes has done but totally disagree with you that had Mahomes played in John's era he would have been just as successful. No chance in hell in my opinion.

[BroncoWave]

I didnt deny what Mahomes has done but totally disagree with you that had Mahomes played in John's era he would have been just as successful. No chance in hell in my opinion.

Then you're just being biased. His athleticism and physical traits are absolutely on par with Elway.

[Northman]

Then you're just being biased. His athleticism and physical traits are absolutely on par with Elway.

Not biased at all.

[dogfish]

Well which is though? You kind of contradicted yourself there. Either the eras are different or they are not. I would argue Mahomes has had it easier than John even early in his career. Not taking anything away from Patrick as he will most certainly be a HOF'r but i doubt that Patrick would have had the same success as John had the roles been reversed. IMO

Imagine Mahomes having Dan Reeves calling plays for him for most of his career instead of Andy Reid. LMAO.

[BroncoWave]

Not biased at all.

Y'all romanticize the 80s and 90s too much. Players are all bigger, faster, and stronger today than then. Anyone who is good now would dominate the smaller and slower players of those eras.

[dogfish]

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1621965335099228161?s=20&t=3w3wvcxNa6puC_nRdU6v4A

It cracks me up that they fired Kellen Moore for this guy. That is a truly Hackett-esque resume.

[BroncoWave]

Imagine Mahomes having Dan Reeves calling plays for him for most of his career instead of Any Reid. LMAO.

The best things Mahomes does are when plays break down and he's scrambling around and he throws an off balance, sidearm pass on a rope 30 yards downfield right on target. Shit like that ain't got nothing to do with the play Reid called.

Not saying being in that system doesn't help, but I don't see how any rational fan could watch Mahomes and act like his success is just because of the system he's in.

[King87]

You would need a comparative model to do a stat comp, or some overarching measurement like WAR/winshare, etc.

If you want to do talent comps, that's a little easier/more observable. Both have great arms; John edges it, but the difference is probably superfluous. Elway was probably a step faster, but Mahomes feels like the shiftier guy. John feels a little more durable. Mahomes feels like his arm angle playmaking/throwing on a platform/off a platform, etc. is an edge.

John played in an era where the rules highly favored defense. I would personally argue that the rules today favoring offense aren't as extreme as the ones back then favoring defense. That goes to Elway . Mahomes, however, is pretty much the guy killing everyone else in stats by a mile; in his offensive era no one is quite on his level on any given year, and the accumulation of that is pretty damning. I don't know who you give that edge to.

John didn't have a great coach for a long time. Andy Reid is one of the best offensive minds ever. Mahomes had a lot of weapons, but now he's dominating the league with just one legitimate guy, so you can't knock him for that jsut because he had better weapons than Elway. I've been told the three amigos and were good but not great. And so on and so forth.

My gut feeling is John would dominate the league on the teams Mahomes had. I also think Mahomes would dominate the AFC with the teams that Elway had. WHo knows? Maybe the dipshit head coach would have been able to trade Mahomes like he tried with John?

Just some thoughts.

Mahomes is much more handsome though.

[Northman]

Y'all romanticize the 80s and 90s too much. Players are all bigger, faster, and stronger today than then. Anyone who is good now would dominate the smaller and slower players of those eras.

Nah, Mahomes build would get him crushed in that era. Lol

[Northman]

Imagine calling guys like Deion Sanders slow. lol

[King87]

Nah, Mahomes build would get him crushed in that era. Lol

He weighs ten pounds more than Elway, but is an inch shorter.

[BroncoWave]

Nah, Mahomes build would get him crushed in that era. Lol

Oh so it's his build? Mahomes is 6'3 227. Marino was 6'4 224. Montana was 6'2 200. Elway was 6'3 215. So Mahomes is the biggest guy of that group.

[Northman]

Oh so it's his build? Mahomes is 6'3 227. Marino was 6'4 224. Montana was 6'2 200. Elway was 6'3 215. So Mahomes is the biggest guy of that group.

He would still get crushed.

[BroncoWave]

He would still get crushed.

He's bigger than every elite QB of that era. At this point you just have your heels dug in and are refusing to admit you were wrong.

[Northman]

He's bigger than every elite QB of that era. At this point you just have your heels dug in and are refusing to admit you were wrong.

Nah, im being totally objective. You tend to dismiss that era too much.

[BroncoWave]

Imagine calling guys like Deion Sanders slow. lol

There was one deion in the 90s. There are dozens of players that fast now.

[BroncoWave]

Nah, im being totally objective. You tend to dismiss that era too much.

You brought up his build. I literally gave hard data comparing his build to those QBs of the era. Hard, objective data. He's bigger than all those guys.

[Northman]

You brought up his build. I literally gave hard data comparing his build to those QBs of the era. Hard, objective data. He's bigger than all those guys.

But fragile as hell. He made of glass.

[BroncoWave]

But fragile as hell. He made of glass.

He just dragged his team to a super bowl on a high ankle sprain, an injury that keeps most players out for weeks. In 5 years as a starter he's missed 3 games total. Are you trolling right now?

[Northman]

He just dragged his team to a super bowl on a high ankle sprain, an injury that keeps most players out for weeks. In 5 years as a starter he's missed 3 games total. Are you trolling right now?

He dragged a team on a high ankle sprain in a league that coddles QB's now. Lol

[BroncoWave]

He dragged a team on a high ankle sprain in a league that coddles QB's now. Lol

Oh look at you changing the argument again when I shoot down one of your hot takes with objective numbers. It's really ok to admit you were wrong man.

[Northman]

Oh look at you changing the argument again when I shoot down one of your hot takes with objective numbers. It's really ok to admit you were wrong man.

SO wait? You dont think the league favors and coddles QB's? Its not me changing the narrative here. Lol

[Northman]

QB gets still gets hurt in a league designed far more to protect them but would somehow survive during a time when QB's got smashed regularly. Um yea, totally same thing. Lol

[BroncoWave]

SO wait? You dont think the league favors and coddles QB's? Its not me changing the narrative here. Lol

Sure, but that's not the argument. You said someone of his build wouldn't have made it in the 80s. Then I proved his build is bigger than those guys. Then you said he's made of glass. And I gave data showing he almost never misses games. Now you're mentioning QBs being coddled. That's true, but these guys still get hit, and hit alot. Especially someone like Mahomes who moves around and runs and extends plays. He gets hit a lot. Your hero Brady did nothing but sit in the pocket and get protected by refs if that's the route you want to go. Mahomes plays a way more physical style of football and takes way more hits than Brady, and is still just as good.

[Northman]

Sure, but that's not the argument. You said someone of his build wouldn't have made it in the 80s. Then I proved his build is bigger than those guys. Then you said he's made of glass. And I gave data showing he almost never misses games. Now you're mentioning QBs being coddled. That's true, but these guys still get hit, and hit alot. Especially someone like Mahomes who moves around and runs and extends plays. He gets hit a lot. Your hero Brady did nothing but sit in the pocket and get protected by refs if that's the route you want to go. Mahomes plays a way more physical style of football and takes way more hits than Brady, and is still just as good.

I never defended Brady when it came to the modern NFL coddling. Nice try though.

[Northman]

Wave trying to pull out Brady because he is now losing the argument. Lol Hilarious.

[BroncoWave]

QB gets still gets hurt in a league designed far more to protect them but would somehow survive during a time when QB's got smashed regularly. Um yea, totally same thing. Lol

This might be the dumbest thing you've ever posted. Just because the rules protect QBs now doesn't mean the hit that hurt his ankle wasn't a hard hit. Guys like Mahomes that run around a lot still get hit hard. CMC had the same ankle injury last year and missed like a month and a half with it. Mahomes played and led his team to a super bowl. You're talking such nonsense right now I feel like you have to be trolling, because I know you aren't this dense.

[BroncoWave]

Wave trying to pull out Brady because he is now losing the argument. Lol Hilarious.

I could not be dominating this argument harder. I've given objective facts to debunk everything you've thrown out. I almost feel bad for how thoroughly I'm embarrassing you right now.

[Northman]

This might be the dumbest thing you've ever posted. Just because the rules protect QBs now doesn't mean the hit that hurt his ankle wasn't a hard hit. Guys like Mahomes that run around a lot still get hit hard. CMC had the same ankle injury last year and missed like a month and a half with it. Mahomes played and led his team to a super bowl. You're talking such nonsense right now I feel like you have to be trolling, because I know you aren't this dense.

No need to get personal dude, we dont agree about whether Mahomes could play the same in the 80's and 90's. Dont insult people just because you dont agree with my take.

[BroncoWave]

No need to get personal dude, we dont agree about whether Mahomes could play the same in the 80's and 90's. Dont insult people just because you dont agree with my take.

I called your post dumb, I didn't call you dumb. In fact, I said I know your aren't this dumb. Which is why I think you're just trolling right now. Or you're just biased because he's a Chief. But I know you're smarter than the nonsense you're posting in this thread.

[Northman]

I called your post dumb, I didn't call you dumb. In fact, I said I know your aren't this dumb. Which is why I think you're just trolling right now. Or you're just biased because he's a Chief. But I know you're smarter than the nonsense you're posting in this thread.

Its not nonsense, its an opinion to which NO ONE really knows including you. So lets just leave it at that yes?

[BroncoWave]

Its not nonsense, its an opinion to which NO ONE really knows including you. So lets just leave it at that yes?

Fair enough. I've sufficiently made my point.

[King87]

Neither of them can throw hands with Pickett though

[BroncoWave]

Neither of them can throw hands with Pickett though

Who?

[dogfish]

Neither of them can throw hands with Pickett though

Tiny hands.

[BroncoWave]

Tiny hands.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[King87]

Tiny hands.

Catch a tiny concussion!!!!!

Come get this sweeeerve

[King87]

Who?

You foul owl!

[Northman]

You know what they say about Tiny Hands.

[King87]

You know what they say about Tiny Hands.

They make excellent QBs!

[Northman]

They make excellent QBs!

The tinier the penis the bigger the box office! Mwhahahahahahahahahaahaha

-Kim Jeong

[BroncoWave]

You know what they say about Tiny Hands.

He better have an awesome personality!

[dogfish]

21228

[King87]

His hand looked even smaller when it was inside your mommas cavernous vagina!!!


OoooooooOoOooOooooh!!!

[Northman]

Here come the Mama jokes.

[King87]

Here come the Mama jokes.

One shot and one kill. Dog dead. Old yeller. Head shot. That boy still.

Poetry, by King87.

[aberdien]

He better have an awesome personality!

I do, tyvm

[Simple Jaded]

Thats ok, some dude posted a bunch of stats with Mahomes vs Elway claiming Mahomes was better because "stats". Thought you would be proud of my pushback on that.

I’m so proud of you.

I’m not crying, you’re crying!

[Simple Jaded]

He weighs ten pounds more than Elway, but is an inch shorter.

I’m fairly certain you have inaccurate info on JFE, he weighed as much as 250lb at one point in his career. He got carried away with working out with his OL and later dropped the weight.

I doubt he ever played under 230 beyond a few seasons at the beginning of his career.

[King87]

I’m fairly certain you have inaccurate info on JFE, he weighed as much as 250lb at one point in his career. He got carried away with working out with his OL and later dropped the weight.

I doubt he ever played under 230 beyond a few seasons at the beginning of his career.

https://www.britannica.com/facts/John-Elway

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/what-is-john-elway-weight

I'm guessing that these (there's a one pound difference on the last one) were when he was drafted then? In regards to him hitting 250, sometimes you gotta get swoll! If he was around 230 then Mahomes is still in the same ballpark.

Regarding the (this wasn't your point, Jaded, I'm just talking now big homie) toughness thing...Mahomes is a beast. That SB he was still playing off a concussion and a busted ankle. He was magical against the Jags and the Bengals on one leg. He's not made of glass; he's pretty ******* tough. And if the better athletes of today aren't shelfing him, I'm not sure the 80's guys would, either.

To me, they're pretty much the same guy. There's minor differences in height and weight, but the stye is the same. I think I posted this stuff in this thread a few days/weeks ago, and whatnot. Mahomes would dominate Elway's era. Elway would dominate Mahomes' era. They are at a talent level where nothing short of a car crash or a Paxton Lynch mentality would change things.

Dogfish made a point about playcalling: that shit hurt Elway badly. It would hurt Mahomes badly. But each guy can hit all the throws that the other can. You'd just probably have the same thing: a god QB with a turd HC that just wants to run the ball for the sake of running the ball. The QB would overcome the HC.

[Simple Jaded]

I got swol on Friday, 12-pack of soft taco supremes.

[King87]

I got swol on Friday, 12-pack of soft taco supremes.

How much sushi do you put down?