Who is the best WR all time? In their prime.

[Hawgdriver]

I ended up watching some Randy Moss college ball. Raw, but unstoppable.

Then I think of Megatron.

But it's not all about the goods. Also gotta produce. Looking at you, Steve Largent.

That dude was always open, even when he wasn't. Like those white boy Patriot receivers.

Not that any of them are goat-ly, just using as example of consistent production, an important factor.

What about Andre Johnson? Or Julio? Maybe B-Marsh? At his peak, B-Marsh could. not. be. contained.

TO? Fitz? Marvin Harrison? AB before the lobotomy?

There's also this one other dude, but his name eludes me... :heh:

So...here's the question.

Which WR who played in the NFL was the most unstoppable when at their peak--gave opposing CBs and DCs nightmares because what he did was unstoppable?

[Timmy!]

Rice?

[Hawgdriver]

Rice?

That's his name. Thanks.

[King87]

ABs prime run merits consideration: he did big play and Wes weaker shit. It was filthy.

I’d say Moss and Tron felt like video game characters.

[Northman]

Rice

[chazoe60]

Megatron. The single greatest physical freak in NFL history. They did an episode of Sports Science about him and it was mind blowing. His catch radius was the size of a two car garage.

[Hawgdriver]

Megatron. The single greatest physical freak in NFL history. They did an episode of Sports Science about him and it was mind blowing. His catch radius was the size of a two car garage.

This is the kind of shit I mean--no matter how savvy and nuanced and perfect the immensely physically talented raw-in-college Jerry Rice became--and I watched nearly every Rice-in-his-prime game live--Rice was not Megatron.

I'm leaning Megatron as most 'unstoppable' at his absolute peak.

There's also the team/coach/QB factor that needs to be teased out. Good luck with that. I guess that means don't just look at stats. Rice isn't Rice with Drew Lock throwing him the ball. I think Andre Johnson got the shaft in this discussion for that reason. Maybe Moss, too.

[chazoe60]

This is the kind of shit I mean--no matter how savvy and nuanced and perfect the immensely physically talented raw-in-college Jerry Rice became--and I watched nearly every Rice-in-his-prime game live--Rice was not Megatron.

I'm leaning Megatron as most 'unstoppable' at his absolute peak.

There's also the team/coach/QB factor that needs to be teased out. Good luck with that. I guess that means don't just look at stats. Rice isn't Rice with Drew Lock throwing him the ball. I think Andre Johnson got the shaft in this discussion for that reason. Maybe Moss, too.

I always try to turn these discussions into a fantasy draft exercise. Like if the NFLs best GM, a guy with a good balance of results vs potential thinking, was doing a fantasy draft in which he gets the players as rookies and knows what they did in their first career. Kinda like a weird version of Field of Dreams.

What WR would go first in that draft? There's only one correct answer and it's Megatron. Dude was 6'5" 240lbs and Rand a 4.36 40. Then came in to the league and had insane production in Detroit, 11000+ yards in 9 seasons. Yes, he had a pretty good QB for most of his career, but not much else. He was one of the rare combine freaks whose production matched his measurable a.

[chazoe60]

This is the kind of shit I mean--no matter how savvy and nuanced and perfect the immensely physically talented raw-in-college Jerry Rice became--and I watched nearly every Rice-in-his-prime game live--Rice was not Megatron.

I'm leaning Megatron as most 'unstoppable' at his absolute peak.

There's also the team/coach/QB factor that needs to be teased out. Good luck with that. I guess that means don't just look at stats. Rice isn't Rice with Drew Lock throwing him the ball. I think Andre Johnson got the shaft in this discussion for that reason. Maybe Moss, too.

Moss was the best deep ball/50-50 go up and get it WR I ever saw.

[Simple Jaded]

Megatron.

**** Rice.

[chazoe60]

https://youtu.be/A5lNMFhlPWk

[Northman]

This is the kind of shit I mean--no matter how savvy and nuanced and perfect the immensely physically talented raw-in-college Jerry Rice became--and I watched nearly every Rice-in-his-prime game live--Rice was not Megatron.

I'm leaning Megatron as most 'unstoppable' at his absolute peak.

There's also the team/coach/QB factor that needs to be teased out. Good luck with that. I guess that means don't just look at stats. Rice isn't Rice with Drew Lock throwing him the ball. I think Andre Johnson got the shaft in this discussion for that reason. Maybe Moss, too.

Moss had Tom Brady
Megatron had Matt Stafford
Rice had Montana and Young but ALSO had Rich Gannon who is not a HOF QB.

When i think of Rice i dont look at just his stats, i look at his ability to change the game and make the clutch plays needed to win them.

Moss and Megatron certainly were talented receivers and will be HOF'rs but Rice to me was on a whole other level and the fact that he wasnt necessarily as gifted athletically as the other two makes what he did even more impressive to me.

[Northman]

I think at some point Cooper Kupp should enter this discussion as well.

[Devilspawn]

Talent - Moss

Overall package - Rice

[CoachChaz]

Moss had Tom Brady
Megatron had Matt Stafford
Rice had Montana and Young but ALSO had Rich Gannon who is not a HOF QB.

When i think of Rice i dont look at just his stats, i look at his ability to change the game and make the clutch plays needed to win them.

Moss and Megatron certainly were talented receivers and will be HOF'rs but Rice to me was on a whole other level and the fact that he wasnt necessarily as gifted athletically as the other two makes what he did even more impressive to me.

They already are.

Rice was the definition of playing faster and better in a game than in a combine workout. Always funny that he was the the 3rd receiver drafted in 85...and didn't win OROY

[Mozzafiato]

Moss had Tom Brady
Megatron had Matt Stafford
Rice had Montana and Young but ALSO had Rich Gannon who is not a HOF QB.

When i think of Rice i dont look at just his stats, i look at his ability to change the game and make the clutch plays needed to win them.

Moss and Megatron certainly were talented receivers and will be HOF'rs but Rice to me was on a whole other level and the fact that he wasnt necessarily as gifted athletically as the other two makes what he did even more impressive to me.

Yup. Rice had that cold blooded killer in him more than guys like Johnson and Moss did.

[King87]

Rice is the best career/resume wise.

But we watched Megatron go "Staffy throw me that shit up high, ignore triple/quad coverage," and that shit felt like it was out of an anime.

[Hawgdriver]

Just to clarify, I'm not asking who is the best WR of all time. That's Rice. I'm asking who is the most unstoppable at their peak--like Chaz mentioned, Moss on 50/50 balls. That kind of thing. Not body of work, but any given Sunday at the top of their game, and try to imagine the team/coach/QB is a level field.

Which WR posed the biggest matchup nightmare.

[underrated29]

I did not read the entire thread, but I think it would have to be Megatron or........Gronk. I know he is a TE and not a WR. but that guy still gives opposing DBs/LBS/S nightmares. In his prime was nuts.


Still- I think Megatron has to be the guy. His height, speed, strength, jumping and great person, clean off the field. He was so good. He was like the big bro to DT. I love me some DT, but he was not megatron (insert never dove joke here please). Megatron was a once every 50 years kind of player possibly.

[King87]

Cris Carter in his prime was also machine. Honorable mention

Moss or tron felt the most unfair.

That’s my vote.

[Eddiemac87]

Here is a flier….. although it’s a 1 year “ in his prime” Josh Gordon. His age 22 season is ridiculous given who was throwing the ball. 14 Games, 1600 yards, 9 TD’s from Jason Campbell, Brandon Weeden and Brian Hoyer.

[Hawgdriver]

Here is a flier….. although it’s a 1 year “ in his prime” Josh Gordon. His age 22 season is ridiculous given who was throwing the ball. 14 Games, 1600 yards, 9 TD’s from Jason Campbell, Brandon Weeden and Brian Hoyer.

^yas! This dude gets me.

Imagine you are the Megatron who blew off the combine, smoked a bowl, suited up, and one day decided no one could cover you. Then you got bored and got a DUI.

I'm talkin dudes that may not be HOF worthy, but when they were *on* it was unreal. And not just a DB mismatch or a schematic flaw exploited.

I sorta wonder if Andre Johnson is getting overlooked, even above the 'tron.

[Simple Jaded]

Megatron was advised not to workout at the combine, everybody started talking shit about that so at the end of the 40 testing when everyone is moving on to next drill he borrowed someone else’s shoes and ran a 4.38 … at 230-some lbs.

[OrangeHoof]

Anyone who doesn't think Jerry Rice is the best does not deserve to post on a football forum. I'm sorry. It's the height of ignorance to suggest anyone else.

[Hawgdriver]

Anyone who doesn't think Jerry Rice is the best does not deserve to post on a football forum. I'm sorry. It's the height of ignorance to suggest anyone else.

Thanks for clearing that up. You are released.

[Hawgdriver]

Just spent the last couple of hours watching Megatron, AJ, Rice, Steve Smith, and TO. It's getting late, I'll have to save Moss for later.

While I was watching each one, at some point I had the thought 'this guy'.

Just for some background, I was a pre-teen football junkie who had just moved to live with my dad in northern CA around '87 or so. Every Sunday was Montana and Rice. I wanted to play football and be a wide receiver because of Steve Largent and Jerry Rice. I would practice my sprints for hours after school. I'd invent weird catching drills that were practically impossible, like blind trampoline rebound 0.1s reaction drills. My HS # was 82 just because my best friend already had 80. Just some context so y'all don't think I'm overlooking Rice.

Rice was not 6'5". He did not run a 4.2 at the combine. He was not tree trunk strong like Andre Johnson. These are important facts when you consider that the activity often consists of defeating another human in the act of obtaining possession of a gravity-controlled object moving through space and time.

But after watching these highlights, you realize that there are some aspects of playing WR that are hard to quantify but are no less important in the overall game of keeping drives alive and points on the board. That could make a less obviously physically dominant athlete a superior player at the position.

Here are some of those aspects:

1. Concentration. This is where I think Rice > everyone. Every moment, every snap, his baseline was pure intensity. He was waiting every fuggin millisecond of every snap for his defender to slip. To look the wrong way. He was locked onto them like a damned predator. Greatness was such an overriding goal that his obsession with it made him a force of nature. He had as broad a repertoire as any to play the game of ways to exploit a mistake, outside of physical attributes, ways to beat man or zone or whatever. Plans to convert catches into gains after the catch. If peak-Rice is the real answer to 'who was the most unstoppable in their prime, all else equal' it was because he was obsessed (always attentive to and striving toward) winning each play.

2. Tricks. You don't need to win a ridiculous jump ball if you don't tip your hand to the defender. This is another way Rice dominated. I was watching a Rice vs Deion play and Deion could have easily defended the pass had Rice not maneuvered his body to make a last instant catch. He tummy-caught it by turning his body at the last moment.

3. Proprioceptive athleticism. Proprioception is defined as:


the sense of self-movement and body position. It is sometimes described as the "sixth sense". Proprioception is mediated by proprioceptors, mechanosensory neurons located within muscles, tendons, and joints.

i.e. why one reason why some combine freaks just suck at WR. There's no easy way to measure this, but you know it when you see it. Sometimes called balance. When Javonte Williams seems like he's down, but he picks up another 30 yards, well, he's elite in this aspect. This aspect is huge, too. Not falling down or eluding a close encounter with a defender can make a big difference at WR where it's assumed the players are already in space. What made Megatron and AJ so special was that there were also elite in this regard. T.O., too, probably even more than Megatron and AJ. When it comes to the man-child WRs.

When you binge highlights you realize that WR is one of the most proprioceptive-challenging things on the planet. The action of running full speed, possibly jumping, making a pre-move for a defender to miss prior to possession, a full deceleration, hand-fighting, subtle leverages in close coverage, obscured vision from pass-angle or close coverage, and so on...these are savage animal contests that have nada to do with size and speed. I'm talking mongoose and cobra here. You know what I mean. It's hard af to measure it, but it might be the most important aspect of all. This is why dudes like Gordon or AB might actually be the correct answer, as rocky as their overall careers have been.

No particular receiver stood out to me besides possibly TO, also Rice, but all of the greats demonstrated they were elite in this regard. I just mention it to reign in the idea that size and speed combos are 'all that'.

Well, there are certainly more aspects than those, but these are enough words so I better stop while I'm ahead.

After watching the highlights, damn. I'm still undecided. Rice and TO made up a lot of ground on Megatron, who I think is probably still the most 'unstoppable' mismatch at WR. He kinda jumps off the page when you watch him.

[Hawgdriver]

Kinger, I'd like to hear why Carter, I know I've overlooked him.

[King87]

Kinger, I'd like to hear why Carter, I know I've overlooked him.

The criticism of CC on the field was that he was only good for a first down or a touchdown. No YAC.

He was basically one of the first guys to master the possession type of play and weaponize it yo the point of being a dominant one. His bad character overshadowed the fact that hr might be the best route runner ever; his hands were great and if you look at his raw production it would be OP today.

[Northman]

Just to clarify, I'm not asking who is the best WR of all time. That's Rice. I'm asking who is the most unstoppable at their peak--like Chaz mentioned, Moss on 50/50 balls. That kind of thing. Not body of work, but any given Sunday at the top of their game, and try to imagine the team/coach/QB is a level field.

Which WR posed the biggest matchup nightmare.


Hard to say because a matchup can mean anything right? Speed, catchability, etc.

If i look at Rice, Moss, and Megatron their first 6 years (going by how many 1,000 yd seasons they had) to see who was the most consistent it would be in this order in terms of production and as you say "unstoppable".

Moss- first 6 seasons over 1,000 yds
Rice- 5 out 6 seasons over 1,000 yds
Megatron- 4 out 6 seasons over 1,000 yds

I dunno, i think its kind of loaded question to be honest. I saw Calvin make a catch with 3 defenders around him which is probably one of the greatest plays ever for a WR. Ive seen Moss catch passes that almost no other receiver could make, ive seen Rice completely dominate a game where no one could remotely stop him.

So the question becomes, what if Megatron had been on the Niners with guys like Montana or Young? Moss the same question. Does Moss get more leeway because he had QB's that arent necessarily Matt Stafford or Montana? Over the years ive seen various WR's do some pretty crazy things (Beckum, Adams, Kupp) so im not sure how anyone can really answer this because what exactly is the definition of dominance? I think we all kind of have our own interpretation of what dominance is as for me its not really relegated to just one thing.

[Hawgdriver]

Hard to say because a matchup can mean anything right? Speed, catchability, etc.

If i look at Rice, Moss, and Megatron their first 6 years (going by how many 1,000 yd seasons they had) to see who was the most consistent it would be in this order in terms of production and as you say "unstoppable".

Moss- first 6 seasons over 1,000 yds
Rice- 5 out 6 seasons over 1,000 yds
Megatron- 4 out 6 seasons over 1,000 yds

I dunno, i think its kind of loaded question to be honest. I saw Calvin make a catch with 3 defenders around him which is probably one of the greatest plays ever for a WR. Ive seen Moss catch passes that almost no other receiver could make, ive seen Rice completely dominate a game where no one could remotely stop him.

So the question becomes, what if Megatron had been on the Niners with guys like Montana or Young? Moss the same question. Does Moss get more leeway because he had QB's that arent necessarily Matt Stafford or Montana? Over the years ive seen various WR's do some pretty crazy things (Beckum, Adams, Kupp) so im not sure how anyone can really answer this because what exactly is the definition of dominance? I think we all kind of have our own interpretation of what dominance is as for me its not really relegated to just one thing.

It's on me for not framing the question as well as possible. But at least in the discussion it helps tease out exactly what I'm trying to ask. It shows I haven't thought about it deeply enough, or clearly enough.

I'll frame it more precisely.

Before that, I wanted to sorta agree with you on the first 6 years and stats, but also draw a distinction. The stats do a good job of showing 'unstoppable' because the stats are really what is trying to be stopped. It was obvious that these WRs were massively talented and had to be accounted for by the time they hit their peak. But they still found a way.

On the other hand, stats can get crazy based on a single defensive lapse (hello free 80 yards)--now maybe the WR induced the lapse, or maybe there was confusion on assignment, or maybe the OC had out-schemed the coverage. There are some games when a WR goes off, and it really doesn't have to do with the WR as much as the defense being easily exploited. Peyton Manning could just deliver it to Reggie Wayne at will against the Broncos, then Shanny decided he'd seen enough and got Champ, D-Will, and Foxworth.

That might be a reason why we haven't said much about Harrison and Wayne--the Peyton Manning effect.

Just saying that stats do tell a good story, but if we base it exclusively on stats, we are going to miss these kinds of things:

A 0-1 reception game because the WR was always drawing two defenders, allowing easy targets to other receivers. Yeah, he was stopped, but if stopping the WR means throwing the kitchen sink at him, was it worth it?

A WR with a crap QB on a bad, lifeless team. Looking at you, Randy Moss & Aaron Brooks. Was Randy in his 'prime' or at his peak? Maybe at age 29 he was past it, but his 23 TD season the year afterward showed that he still had mad game.

WRs on bad teams who rack up stats in the 4th Q.

WRs who played in divisions with bad secondaries they would see twice a year. This probably evens out, but let's look at some of the best WR seasons to get a feel for it (I'm going to use the NY/A as the ranking of passing defense, lower means better defense). Picking at random.

1998 Moss - GB (1), TB (7), Det (16), Chi (27) (solid)
1993 Rice - NO (4), Atl (28-DFL), LA Rams (27) (hmm)
2012 'Tron - GB (7), Min (10), Chi (4) (overachiever)

Yeah, it's just 6 or 8 games of the year, but it matters. We are so stat-centric that this discussion begins with the premise told by those stats. We don't even question it, we assume the stats are the truth. Yeah, we can mentally adjust our position based on this nuance--but we are only moving it a little bit, and we start with what the stats say.

Imagine there were *no* stats.

This gets to how I could more precisely frame the question.

Here it is.

With the benefit of hindsight--of knowing how their careers would play out,
And with peak Peyton Manning (or whatever perfect QB you think would max the WR)
Against the best defenses in the league
With just one year to make a go at a championship on a solid team

Which WR (or receiver if you want to say Gronk, etc) at the top of their game do you pick first?

[Northman]

This gets to how I could more precisely frame the question.

Here it is.

With the benefit of hindsight--of knowing how their careers would play out,
And with peak Peyton Manning (or whatever perfect QB you think would max the WR)
Against the best defenses in the league
With just one year to make a go at a championship on a solid team

Which WR (or receiver if you want to say Gronk, etc) at the top of their game do you pick first?

Pheww thats still tough but ill try.

Moss is out mainly because he is a loose cannon and you need a WR who is going to be there on every play whether the ball comes to him or not.
Rice would also probably be out although i do feel he is the best overall receiver ever. But he had some of the greatest QBs to work with as well.
Andre Johnson is out, not because he isnt talented but he was also plagued with injuries.

And i cant think of any other receiver really on Megatron's level in terms athleticism and talent. And as much as i give credit for Stafford at finally winning a title i still consider him below a lot of the alltime QB greats. So the fact that Calvin was able to put up the numbers he did in Detroit is pretty impressive all on its own.

So in the end if im choosing a WR its probably going to be Megatron because i know at the very least if i dont have a top tier QB im at least going to get 100% from him every game regardless.

[CoachChaz]

^yas! This dude gets me.

Imagine you are the Megatron who blew off the combine, smoked a bowl, suited up, and one day decided no one could cover you. Then you got bored and got a DUI.

I'm talkin dudes that may not be HOF worthy, but when they were *on* it was unreal. And not just a DB mismatch or a schematic flaw exploited.

I sorta wonder if Andre Johnson is getting overlooked, even above the 'tron.

Andre Johnson suffered the same fate a guy like Allen Robinson deals with today. Amazing talent with nothing at QB to help him.

[underrated29]

It's on me for not framing the question as well as possible. But at least in the discussion it helps tease out exactly what I'm trying to ask. It shows I haven't thought about it deeply enough, or clearly enough.

I'll frame it more precisely.

Before that, I wanted to sorta agree with you on the first 6 years and stats, but also draw a distinction. The stats do a good job of showing 'unstoppable' because the stats are really what is trying to be stopped. It was obvious that these WRs were massively talented and had to be accounted for by the time they hit their peak. But they still found a way.

On the other hand, stats can get crazy based on a single defensive lapse (hello free 80 yards)--now maybe the WR induced the lapse, or maybe there was confusion on assignment, or maybe the OC had out-schemed the coverage. There are some games when a WR goes off, and it really doesn't have to do with the WR as much as the defense being easily exploited. Peyton Manning could just deliver it to Reggie Wayne at will against the Broncos, then Shanny decided he'd seen enough and got Champ, D-Will, and Foxworth.

That might be a reason why we haven't said much about Harrison and Wayne--the Peyton Manning effect.

Just saying that stats do tell a good story, but if we base it exclusively on stats, we are going to miss these kinds of things:

A 0-1 reception game because the WR was always drawing two defenders, allowing easy targets to other receivers. Yeah, he was stopped, but if stopping the WR means throwing the kitchen sink at him, was it worth it?

A WR with a crap QB on a bad, lifeless team. Looking at you, Randy Moss & Aaron Brooks. Was Randy in his 'prime' or at his peak? Maybe at age 29 he was past it, but his 23 TD season the year afterward showed that he still had mad game.

WRs on bad teams who rack up stats in the 4th Q.

WRs who played in divisions with bad secondaries they would see twice a year. This probably evens out, but let's look at some of the best WR seasons to get a feel for it (I'm going to use the NY/A as the ranking of passing defense, lower means better defense). Picking at random.

1998 Moss - GB (1), TB (7), Det (16), Chi (27) (solid)
1993 Rice - NO (4), Atl (28-DFL), LA Rams (27) (hmm)
2012 'Tron - GB (7), Min (10), Chi (4) (overachiever)

Yeah, it's just 6 or 8 games of the year, but it matters. We are so stat-centric that this discussion begins with the premise told by those stats. We don't even question it, we assume the stats are the truth. Yeah, we can mentally adjust our position based on this nuance--but we are only moving it a little bit, and we start with what the stats say.

Imagine there were *no* stats.

This gets to how I could more precisely frame the question.

Here it is.

With the benefit of hindsight--of knowing how their careers would play out,
And with peak Peyton Manning (or whatever perfect QB you think would max the WR)
Against the best defenses in the league
With just one year to make a go at a championship on a solid team

Which WR (or receiver if you want to say Gronk, etc) at the top of their game do you pick first?

I go Elway and Megatron.
Elway can run it and bomb it 80 yards down field. He can also make the tight window throws.

Megatron because he can run straight ahead, go over the middle and hit the jump balls. He can also block on any designed Elway runs.

Elway/Tron for me.

[Hawgdriver]

I go Elway and Megatron.
Elway can run it and bomb it 80 yards down field. He can also make the tight window throws.

Megatron because he can run straight ahead, go over the middle and hit the jump balls. He can also block on any designed Elway runs.

Elway/Tron for me.

:eek:

[aberdien]

It's objectively Jerry Rice.

But subjectively I would say Randy Moss.

[aberdien]

Larry Fitzgerald or nah?

[aberdien]

*barf* Tyreek Hill?

[King87]

Props to Hawg for including prime Julio. Prime Julio did bad things to DBs. Very bad things.

If you want an interesting name, look at Sterling Sharpe before his injury.

[Northman]

He played for the Raiders but Tim Brown was a monster.

https://alchetron.com/cdn/tim-brown-american-football-c0477bc0-2b94-4376-b7c9-a04346689ef-resize-750.jpeg

[King87]

Do you all remember when Rice got butthurt at Moss for breaking his TD record?

But Rice did it in fewer games with a handful of QBs.

[Northman]

Do you all remember when Rice got butthurt at Moss for breaking his TD record?

But Rice did it in fewer games with a handful of QBs.

I think Rice got butthurt about a few things, it was one of the things that lead to Jerry leaving SF after TO started to become a thing out there.

[Northman]

How about some Hopkins?

https://static.independent.co.uk/2020/10/26/16/urnpublicidap.org2965402ccbf444b181a8926f2dd10303. jpg?quality=75&width=982&height=726&auto=webp

[King87]

I think Rice got butthurt about a few things, it was one of the things that lead to Jerry leaving SF after TO started to become a thing out there.

Sidenote: Niners had a great QB run from Montana-Young-Garcia, who was an above average QB in his own right.

Rice had retired when Moss broke his record and it was such a bad look for him, imo. I do remember him being a bit of a pouty ho in some regards.

Rice was so good that people argue he's the best football player of all-time. What a stud.

[Simple Jaded]

Garcia was not great, plus, he looked like a burn victim.

[King87]

Garcia was not great, plus, he looked like a burn victim.

I said Garcia was above average, which he was. Read better you old ho.

[Hawgdriver]

How about some Hopkins?

https://static.independent.co.uk/2020/10/26/16/urnpublicidap.org2965402ccbf444b181a8926f2dd10303. jpg?quality=75&width=982&height=726&auto=webp

Good one.

This would be a great question to ask Vic Fangio. God I'd love to hear that man's take on this one. Of course it might tilt toward rival team personnel.

[Chillez]

The easy answer is Jerry Rice followed by Randy Moss.

[Simple Jaded]

Imma show some love for my dude, Anquan Bolden … the definition of an alpha.

[King87]

Stallworth!

[Buff]

At their peak, nobody was more dominant than Moss. Guy was unstoppable.

[Nomad]

Who can forget Moss’s awareness on this play? He was also intelligent as much as physically talented.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p8o--gh5R98

[aberdien]

plus Moss has a cool accent

[Nomad]

plus Moss has a cool accent

He’s a country boy from West Virginia?

[Chillez]

He’s a country boy from West Virginia?

Yes very much so Moss loved fishing.

[chazoe60]

I saw an old interview with Moss and he said he preferred to live in neighborhoods with old retired white people. He said they were the quietest and nicest neighbors to have. It was actually really funny and kind of a cool insight into his personality.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

You can’t really answer this without first breaking down the WR position by size and class. The Marshalls, evans, plaxico burress type of WR is in a whole notha type of football playing than a desean Jackson Antonio brown Steve smith.

[Canmore]

Sure you can.

[King87]

Chazoe is.

[King87]

Megatron. The single greatest physical freak in NFL history. They did an episode of Sports Science about him and it was mind blowing. His catch radius was the size of a two car garage.

It just feels like when you go 'who was the best at their best' Megatron starts laughing at every other WR and progressively gets more disrespectful with his laugh.

[King87]

Moss had Tom Brady
Megatron had Matt Stafford
Rice had Montana and Young but ALSO had Rich Gannon who is not a HOF QB.

When i think of Rice i dont look at just his stats, i look at his ability to change the game and make the clutch plays needed to win them.

Moss and Megatron certainly were talented receivers and will be HOF'rs but Rice to me was on a whole other level and the fact that he wasnt necessarily as gifted athletically as the other two makes what he did even more impressive to me.

But he had Gannon during a MVP run and high level play. He also had Jeff Garcia, who was an above average QB for a spell.

I think Rice is probably the GOAT at the position, but throughout his career he had more around him than any other WR. To be fair, I always felt like the guy who benefited the most from that insane group of talent was Montana.

[Canmore]

It just feels like when you go 'who was the best at their best' Megatron starts laughing at every other WR and progressively gets more disrespectful with his laugh.

Interesting take.

[King87]

Interesting take.

Your kind words warm my heart in these trying times of sadness.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Who can forget Moss’s awareness on this play? He was also intelligent as much as physically talented.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p8o--gh5R98


Lol I didn’t even have to click the video to know what you was talking about. Soon as I seen moss I knew what time it was lol. Definitely one of the most heart breaking plays in my history as a broncos fan.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

This is a question that can never be answered. It’s all opinion based. There are just way too many dominant WRs with different play styles to name the best one ever.

Smh I don’t know why you folks are even trying to debate this

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Yup. Rice had that cold blooded killer in him more than guys like Johnson and Moss did.

Lol rice had that cold blooded killer in his more than moss and Johnson? Come on mannnnnnn this don’t even make sense bro. How do you measure cold blooded killer?? Moss in between them lines was an assassin that knew he was better than ANYBODY on defense every week and treated them as such. There’s nothing more cold blooded than taking off and within team years just throwing up his hand to say yeah these guys are already toast and then going to
Get the ball to the point a term was created in every inner city and probably everywhere else
Suburbs and all where we was playing football and saying you got MOSSED. Then it reached college and everywhere else getting mossed lol

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Anyone who doesn't think Jerry Rice is the best does not deserve to post on a football forum. I'm sorry. It's the height of ignorance to suggest anyone else.

Lol this is trolling at its finest. Ain’t noway you believe this shit

[OrangeHoof]

Oh, but I do. The numbers back it up - and I'm not a 49ers fan or a Jerry Rice fan.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_career.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_career.htm

Most catches. Most yards. Most TDs.

Any other questions?

[Eddiemac87]

Oh, but I do. The numbers back it up - and I'm not a 49ers fan or a Jerry Rice fan.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_career.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_career.htm

Most catches. Most yards. Most TDs.

Any other questions?

No doubt rice best all time. His a career might never be matched. But to debate an “in their prime” only is interesting, there is a list of “In their prime “ players that could arguable have been as or maybe even more dominant for a short window.

[Northman]

There are other factors such as time/era played in but im still of the belief that Rice would be just as good now as he was then. Same thing with the Michael Jordan debate.

[BroncoWave]

It's either Rice or Moss. I view this much like the Manning Brady debate. I think Manning was a more skilled football player, but Brady's career was greater.

In this case, I think Moss is the most talented WR of all time but Rice is the greatest, if that makes sense.

[OrangeHoof]

No doubt rice best all time. His a career might never be matched. But to debate an “in their prime” only is interesting, there is a list of “In their prime “ players that could arguable have been as or maybe even more dominant for a short window.

No doubt there were days a receiver bested Rice in the first half. "In their prime" is a b.s. argument for people who can always move the goalposts to support their claim.

[BroncoWave]

No doubt there were days a receiver bested Rice in the first half. "In their prime" is a b.s. argument for people who can always move the goalposts to support their claim.

"In their prime" is literally the topic of the thread, no one is moving any goalposts. Also, no one is talking about one half of a game, so I'm not sure what you're on about here. A "prime" is usually considered a player's best couple of seasons or so.