Should Broncos Trade Down With Steelers For #1s in '22 and '23?

[OrangeHoof]

Josh Edwards' First-Round mock for CBS Sports has the Broncos trading with the Steelers. The headline for most is that Pittsburgh needs a QB now that Big Ben is retiring and they will use Denver's #9 overall pick to get Ole Miss QB Matt Corral (Local favorite Kenny Pickett was taken by Carolina). With the #20 pick, the Broncos take LB Nakobe Dean from Georgia and will also get Pittsburgh's #1 choice in 2023.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-steelers-trade-into-top-10-to-select-a-quarterback-jets-make-a-splash-on-defense/

Here's what Edwards says about this:


After moving back and acquiring a future first-round pick, Denver adds Dean to its defense. I could see the Broncos exploring Jimmy Garoppolo, Carson Wentz or another quarterback in that stratosphere. They have a roster ready to compete.

This presumes, of course, that attempts to trade for Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson have failed.

An extra #1 next year will allow Denver to trade up into the Top 10 for a QB in a likely better quarterback class than this year's.

As for Dean, if you're unimpressed, the remaining selections in this mock are WRs Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams and Chris Olave, OLs Tyler Linderbaum, Trevor Penning and Bernhard Raimann, DLs Jermaine Johnson, Logan Hall, Boye Mafe and Travon Walker or DBs Daxton Hill and Trent McDuffie. Feel free to substitute if you think Dean is the wrong choice.

Thoughts?

[Northman]

If Pickett is gone than yea, trade back (although i dont necessarily hate Corrall).

[Simple Jaded]

If teams are offering what the Bears gave up for Fields they can have Pickett at 9, I’ll take my chances with two 1st round picks in ‘23.

[UnderArmour]

No. Just take the QB and don't get too cute. Josh Allen is too tier and Fields looks promising right now. No more trading back when a worthy QB is on the board.

[turftoad]

No. Just take the QB and don't get too cute. Josh Allen is too tier and Fields looks promising right now. No more trading back when a worthy QB is on the board.

Problem is... there are no worthy QB’s at #9 this year and certainly no Josh Allen’s.

[Eddiemac87]

Unless we get offered a stupid amount for that pick….balance need vs BPA and take what’s there..

[Northman]

Problem is... there are no worthy QB’s at #9 this year and certainly no Josh Allen’s.

Wrong!

[chazoe60]

Yes.

[Simple Jaded]

Wrong!

Dude, Pickett ain’t that level.

[Northman]

Dude, Pickett ain’t that level.

I know, he's Boss Level.

[Simple Jaded]

I know, he's Boss Level.

If by “Boss” you mean Derek Carr.

[Jsteve01]

Wrong!

North I can't remember who the two quarterbacks were that you compare him to. You said his floor was justin Herbert and his ceiling was a hall of famer. I can't remember who it was. I admit that I haven't seen him play enough. But remember that rap on Jared Goff was his teeny weeny hands. And they're speculating that pickett has some of the smallest hands they've ever measured. I've watched highlights but I haven't watched him play enough to say that you're wrong in liking him. I think the quarterback analogies are very lofty.

[Simple Jaded]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/kenny-pickett/9tjtq2MPDA

In North’s defense here’s an analysis comparing Pickett to Joe Burrow.

[King87]

Hand size means at most very, very little.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/story/_/id/28770715/why-nfl-combine-built-myth-qb-hand-size-measurement-mean-anything

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/01/hand-sizes-and-psychological-profiling-the-nfl-combine-is-peak-pseudoscience

[Northman]

North I can't remember who the two quarterbacks were that you compare him to. You said his floor was justin Herbert and his ceiling was a hall of famer. I can't remember who it was. I admit that I haven't seen him play enough. But remember that rap on Jared Goff was his teeny weeny hands. And they're speculating that pickett has some of the smallest hands they've ever measured. I've watched highlights but I haven't watched him play enough to say that you're wrong in liking him. I think the quarterback analogies are very lofty.

I never watched Goff in college so i cant speak on whether he was good/bad. Pickett could easily be shit (just like any QB in any given year of the draft). But, i have watched Pickett play a lot because of the conference he played in. I just have a strong feeling he is going to be really really good. But im just one guy on a board of other guys/gals who say so and so players are great or horrible. Jaded thinks Winston is a great QB, that dude is the epitome of average to poor but that is what im talking about. You, me, Jaded, and so on will say so an so is going to be a great QB or shitty QB but in the end no one really knows. Its just a matter of perception and what we have observed.

For instance, i know people love Stroud out of OSU but when has OSU ever really made a great NFL QB? Ive actually looked at the list and there isnt one yet now all of a sudden people are saying that Fields and Stroud are going to be those guys? Yea, i personally dont buy it but it doesnt mean i will be right. Small hands? Sure, that could be a problem but then Drew Brees was too small and looked how that worked out. If there is a chance that Fields and Stroud become great NFL QB's than there is a chance that Pickett can too. Anything can happen but you cant be afraid to take a chance on a guy because he has small hands. Look at his body of work and make your assessments there.

[Nomad]

Problem is... there are no worthy QB’s at #9 this year and certainly no Josh Allen’s.

I’ve said this since early in the college season. I’ve tried to warm up to the idea because the Broncos are in desperate need of a QB. If the Broncos had to pick one, Pickett is the only one I’d go with at #9. Corral will come in good then fizzle out. He’s Kap 2.0. Kap was a damn good college QB.

[Simple Jaded]

Kap was a damn good NFL QB.

[Northman]

For one year anyway.

[Simple Jaded]

I never watched Goff in college so i cant speak on whether he was good/bad. Pickett could easily be shit (just like any QB in any given year of the draft). But, i have watched Pickett play a lot because of the conference he played in. I just have a strong feeling he is going to be really really good. But im just one guy on a board of other guys/gals who say so and so players are great or horrible. Jaded thinks Winston is a great QB, that dude is the epitome of average to poor but that is what im talking about. You, me, Jaded, and so on will say so an so is going to be a great QB or shitty QB but in the end no one really knows. Its just a matter of perception and what we have observed.

For instance, i know people love Stroud out of OSU but when has OSU ever really made a great NFL QB? Ive actually looked at the list and there isnt one yet now all of a sudden people are saying that Fields and Stroud are going to be those guys? Yea, i personally dont buy it but it doesnt mean i will be right. Small hands? Sure, that could be a problem but then Drew Brees was too small and looked how that worked out. If there is a chance that Fields and Stroud become great NFL QB's than there is a chance that Pickett can too. Anything can happen but you cant be afraid to take a chance on a guy because he has small hands. Look at his body of work and make your assessments there.
I didn’t say Winston was a great QB, I like his talent and attitude.

Btw, Brees had 10 1/4” hands, literally 2” bigger than Pickett, reportedly.

[Northman]

I didn’t say Winston was a great QB, I like his talent and attitude.

Btw, Brees had 10 1/4” hands, literally 2” bigger than Pickett, reportedly.

Yea, but Brees was a midget that was point.

[Simple Jaded]

Pickett is almost 6’4”

[chazoe60]

Kap was a damn good NFL QB.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[King87]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

In a day and age where game managers were considered good, he was 'good'. Game managers aren't my type, though, so I was never a huge fan of his as a QB. His running ability was kind of game-warping, though. JFC he killed the Packers with it.

[Simple Jaded]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Take your stupid ideology out of it and take another look.

[Nomad]

Kap was good at Nevada. That is all. I’ll give him that credit.

[Simple Jaded]

Kap was good at Nevada. That is all. I’ll give him that credit.

Fortunately for Kap reality doesn’t require your participation.

[Nomad]

Fortunately for Kap reality doesn’t require your participation.

True. This could be said for all your opinions as well about anything football. But, we’re here. Love ya, pal.

[Simple Jaded]

True. This could be said for all your opinions as well about anything football. But, we’re here. Love ya, pal.

Find me a reality where Kap didn’t take his team to a SB and get a $126 Million contract and I’ll question my reality.

[Nomad]

Find me a reality where Kap didn’t take his team to a SB and get a $126 Million contract and I’ll question my reality.

Trent Dilfer won a SB. Mediocre QBs win.

[King87]

Trent Dilfer won a SB. Mediocre QBs win.

Kap was a high-end game manager who broke games open with his legs.

[Eddiemac87]

Kap was a high-end game manager who broke games open with his legs.

And when he had to rely on his arm…. Shit went sideways…….

[King87]

And when he had to rely on his arm…. Shit went sideways…….

Depends on the season. His last year he had little weapons, the worst line in football (from next-gen graders, iirc) a bad running game and still made plays with his legs and protected the ball. He was the high-end version of what Denver was looking to get out of Seimienanen and Keenum. Granted he didn't want to take a paycut (don't blame him) and that's why he wasn't a Bronco. But he was not a bad player.

[Nomad]

Kap was a high-end game manager who broke games open with his legs.

It’s even catching up with Mahomie. Kap was a really good college QB.

[Northman]

Trent Dilfer won a SB. Mediocre QBs win.

Omfg! Nomad just destroyed Jaded. Like obliterated him, lol

[Eddiemac87]

Depends on the season. His last year he had little weapons, the worst line in football (from next-gen graders, iirc) a bad running game and still made plays with his legs and protected the ball. He was the high-end version of what Denver was looking to get out of Seimienanen and Keenum. Granted he didn't want to take a paycut (don't blame him) and that's why he wasn't a Bronco. But he was not a bad player.

Not as bad as portrayed at the end for sure, but I think his game was figured out, the team around him depleted, and that led to the sharp decline in productivity. He didn’t have a deep bag of tricks to reach into to stay ahead of the curve.

[Northman]

Not as bad as portrayed at the end for sure, but I think his game was figured out, the team around him depleted, and that led to the sharp decline in productivity. He didn’t have a deep bag of tricks to reach into to stay ahead of the curve.

Kap was a one trick pony.

[Eddiemac87]

Kap was a one trick pony.

Yup… for some perspective for those that think his game had not declined the closest QB to Kaepernick’s numbers in his final season was Brock Osweiler, who is now out of the NFL too. Kaepernick simply didn’t play well enough to warrant a starting job after 2017.

[Nomad]

I find Corral to be Kap 2.0

[King87]

Revisionist history up in here.

[Nomad]

Revisionist history up in here.

Are we wrong?

[King87]

Are we wrong?

He was never an elite QB, but Dilfer literally was cut by the tram he won a SB for; that was the first time it happened to a starting QB.

Kaep was good enough to keep starting in the league; politics and I mean this in the broadest and keastniffensive way to all involved stopped that.

[King87]

Yup… for some perspective for those that think his game had not declined the closest QB to Kaepernick’s numbers in his final season was Brock Osweiler, who is now out of the NFL too. Kaepernick simply didn’t play well enough to warrant a starting job after 2017.

This flatly false if you look at his last season as a starter and compare it to other game managers.

[Simple Jaded]

Trent Dilfer won a SB. Mediocre QBs win.

Ok so the reality I live in is still undefeated, thanks for playing.

[Simple Jaded]

Omfg! Nomad just destroyed Jaded. Like obliterated him, lol

Dilfer was a Top 5 draft pick, had all the talent you could ask for.

[Simple Jaded]

It’s even catching up with Mahomie. Kap was a really good college QB.

Ok, if you’re keeping score Mahomie is no longer a “damn good QB”.

[Simple Jaded]

Kap was a high-end game manager who broke games open with his legs.

Ok, so … Kap is a game manager but Kirk Shaub is a god?

[Northman]

He was never an elite QB, but Dilfer literally was cut by the tram he won a SB for; that was the first time it happened to a starting QB.

Kaep was good enough to keep starting in the league; politics and I mean this in the broadest and keastniffensive way to all involved stopped that.

Kap isnt elite dude and never was. His final two seasons were a perfect example of that, elite QB's dont fold like that. Its not revisionist history when facts say otherwise. You are wrong here.

[chazoe60]

Take your stupid ideology out of it and take another look.


59% comp and less than 200 yards per game. You would be calling for his head if he were a random Broncos QB. Leave your stupid ideology out of it.

[Northman]

59% comp and less than 200 yards per game. You would be calling for his head if he were a random Broncos QB. Leave your stupid ideology out of it.

Colin Bedweter?

[Elevation inc]

If the plan is to roll with Lock and have a vet FA as a backup with no QB comp then yes. We could even draft a guy like Ridder or Howell in rd. 2 and see how they develop this year while still looking towards 2023 with tons of draft ammo. If Lock is on shaky ground or deemed not ideal by the coaching staff then no we should draft a QB at 9 if they like one of the top 3 in Pickett, Corral, or Willis.

[Elevation inc]

Trent Dilfer won a SB. Mediocre QBs win.

Mediocre QB's today win games to get there teams to sniff a wildcard or hover at .500 they don't win SB's and this isn't a couple decades ago. The game is far different. Dilfer today would lose his job to Case Rypien as 3rd string QB option lol. Kap and Griffin were just a bit to early for the NFL. They had elite talent, but no coaches wanted to develop them into better passers so they were capped there, which is required in today's NFL, and a detriment to both. Lamar Jackson is dealing with a bit of the same issues right now as well. Its also why they started making Allen into a better Passer, That running shit cant be your go to, you gotta be able to throw the ball to hang long term.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

19990

Scary part about a QB class like this year's. Although some believe there is always a QB or 2 in each draft, it's simply not the case. I'll get behind at least trying for one at 9, but I still don't think it's the right play. IMO the dropoff from 1 to 6 is negligible.