Nathaniel Hackett reportedly next Broncos HC

[Simple Jaded]

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/8492/nathaniel-hackett

[slim]

Jaded, how excited are you? Like are your pants still on?

[Strafen]

Yes he is the broncos head coach per NFL Network!!!

[Simple Jaded]

Jaded, how excited are you? Like are your pants still on?

As luck would have it I slept commando.

[Strafen]

Nat the hack!!!

[Gyldenlove]

As luck would have it I slept commando.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that was an overshare.

[UnderArmour]

Love the call to go with an offensive minded HC. I am anxious to see who he brings in to run the defense and which assistants he retains. If Zimmer, the defense will go to a 4-3 which would put Chubb into either a Barr role or putting his hand in the dirt.

If Rodgers is to come over, hopefully the cost is low. If no Rodgers, it will be interesting to see who Paton brings in as QB.

[Nomad]

Welcome to the Broncos. Leave Rodgers in GB...TIA.

[Northman]

Thank god.

Lets Gooooo!

[BORDERLINE]

And the winds of Hope once again reached the Mile High City!

[Gyldenlove]

Someone please explain why we hate/love this man, wether he has any affiliation with Myrtle Beach, if he loves tomatoes and has he ever taken ambien and dropped a deuce in the basement?

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Love the call to go with an offensive minded HC. I am anxious to see who he brings in to run the defense and which assistants he retains. If Zimmer, the defense will go to a 4-3 which would put Chubb into either a Barr role or putting his hand in the dirt.

If Rodgers is to come over, hopefully the cost is low. If no Rodgers, it will be interesting to see who Paton brings in as QB.

They already said this decision has zero to do with rodgers. So I hope people don’t try and connect any dot’s. Hackett is our head coach and he’s going to have whoever his quarterback is playing at a high level. If somehow rodgers is released he may or may not end up in Denver. But this hire was simply Hackett being awesome and being able to develop a quarterback.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Welcome to the Broncos. Leave Rodgers in GB...TIA.

I’m loving that the reports have already said this hire has absolutely nothing to do with rodgers. Hackett is just a awesome mind and interviews was off the chart’s. Hackett is here to develop a quarterback. And lead this team, lead this offense.

[Slick]

If it brings us Rodgers and Adams then I’m okay with it but it smells a little desperate to me. I wish George would have waited and gotten O’Connell from the Rams. I think Hackett is a goofball.

[Nomad]

If it brings us Rodgers and Adams then I’m okay with it but it smells a little desperate to me. I wish George would have waited and gotten O’Connell from the Rams. I think Hackett is a goofball.

It seems they went with experience over the unknown with O’Connell. That’s my assumption after reading this article, which is a pretty good article.

“Rodgers....loudmouth hotshot who can’t win in the playoffs”. LoL.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gjsentinel.com/sports/hackett-oconnell-intriguing-young-coaches-on-broncos-radar/article_fd759c32-7ef1-11ec-8cbe-3382b4eabd62.amp.html

[Simple Jaded]

If it brings us Rodgers and Adams then I’m okay with it but it smells a little desperate to me. I wish George would have waited and gotten O’Connell from the Rams. I think Hackett is a goofball.

I think this is fair, some of the stuff I’ve read about him doesn’t exactly strike me as something professional athletes give a **** about.

[Simple Jaded]

https://www.therams.com/team/coaches-roster/ejiro-evero

Candidate mentioned by Garafolo as Hackett’s DC, gotta say I’d be intrigued.

[Northman]

If it brings us Rodgers and Adams then I’m okay with it but it smells a little desperate to me. I wish George would have waited and gotten O’Connell from the Rams. I think Hackett is a goofball.

I dunno, i feel better about this pick than i have the last 2.

[GEM]

I'm just happy it wasn't Quinn.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

I think this is fair, some of the stuff I’ve read about him doesn’t exactly strike me as something professional athletes give a **** about.

Please let us know what you have read……….

I know it sucks for you that your hate for Paton didn’t get fueled by him selecting somebody from this Paton tree you created

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

This was an outstanding hire.

[Strafen]

Love the call to go with an offensive minded HC. I am anxious to see who he brings in to run the defense and which assistants he retains. If Zimmer, the defense will go to a 4-3 which would put Chubb into either a Barr role or putting his hand in the dirt.

If Rodgers is to come over, hopefully the cost is low. If no Rodgers, it will be interesting to see who Paton brings in as QB.
I wouldn’t rule out Drew Lock

[Strafen]

I'm just happy it wasn't Quinn.

Right?!
Me too...

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

If it brings us Rodgers and Adams then I’m okay with it but it smells a little desperate to me. I wish George would have waited and gotten O’Connell from the Rams. I think Hackett is a goofball.

Oh really McConnell guaranteed Paton that if he waited he’d taken the job?

Link?

[Strafen]

One of da’ best eva’!

[Strafen]

Rodgers to Denva trending in Twitter right nah!

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

I wouldn’t rule out Drew Lock

One thing for certain is Hackett wants a big arm quarterback. Lock fits the bill and would add stability already having chemistry with the group while they learn this system. So I’m definitely not ruling out Lock. This HC is likely to save Lock in Denver.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Rodgers to Denva trending in Twitter right nah!

Same ole shit just like last April. I won’t even entertain it unless it happens. I just can’t see a brand new GM whose super serious about his draft picks giving away 3 years of 1st and 2nd round pick’s. I’d rather keep Drew and draft a guy

[Northman]

If Rodgers comes to Denver Lock wont be resurrecting anything.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

If Rodgers comes to Denver Lock wont be resurrecting anything.

Rodgers said he’d left the packers know if he’s going to retire or not by march something lol. This guy really doesn’t seem like he wants to play anymore to me.

[CoachChaz]

I was a fan of Hackett and the respect and love he earned from players for quite a while. Can't find it anymore, but there was an article I read around October that kind of made me excited about him potentially being a candidate in the event Fangio was fired...and it all played out. He's a different kind of guy, but I think he'll end up being a good hire for the team. Of course...like ANY other coach...his success is going to be tied to the ability to acquire a QB for the long term. Rodgers can come in with the existing personnel and most of us could coach the team to 11, 12 or 13 wins. It's what he can do when he's given a young, promising talent that will determine his long term fate.

[Northman]

I was a fan of Hackett and the respect and love he earned from players for quite a while. Can't find it anymore, but there was an article I read around October that kind of made me excited about him potentially being a candidate in the event Fangio was fired...and it all played out. He's a different kind of guy, but I think he'll end up being a good hire for the team. Of course...like ANY other coach...his success is going to be tied to the ability to acquire a QB for the long term. Rodgers can come in with the existing personnel and most of us could coach the team to 11, 12 or 13 wins. It's what he can do when he's given a young, promising talent that will determine his long term fate.

I agree.

I would love to see what he could do with Pickett or Corrall.

[CoachChaz]

I agree.

I would love to see what he could do with Pickett or Corrall.

I said young PROMISING talent

[Northman]

I said young PROMISING talent

Come on, Pickett is very promising. Corrall i dont know to much about but he looked alright to me.

[CoachChaz]

Come on, Pickett is very promising. Corrall i dont know to much about but he looked alright to me.

My problem with Picket is he has some serious warts...and he's 24 years old. So, how much "growth" is he still capable of? Corral is just a smaller guy with average arm strength that is better suited in an RPO. Not sure how that works out playing in a cold weather city.

I could go deeper on these two guys, but topically...I'm just not a fan of their NFL potential

[Jsteve01]

Come on, Pickett is very promising. Corrall i dont know to much about but he looked alright to me.

He made bortles look like a future star. Wish this had happened last year and Drew actu6 could have been developed

[Jsteve01]

More interested in strong and Willis as day 2 development types with upside. People aren't overstating the lack of surefire qb talent in this draft. It's really bad

[CoachChaz]

He made bortles look like a future star. Wish this had happened last year and Drew actu6 could have been developed

Also got more out of EJ Manuel than anyone could have expected. But I wouldn't want to gamble the future of this team on talent equal to those guys...regardless of what Hackett can get out of them

[Northman]

My problem with Picket is he has some serious warts...and he's 24 years old. So, how much "growth" is he still capable of? Corral is just a smaller guy with average arm strength that is better suited in an RPO. Not sure how that works out playing in a cold weather city.

I could go deeper on these two guys, but topically...I'm just not a fan of their NFL potential

Dunno, i watched Pickett the last few years and he has a lot of potential in my opinion. At worst i think he will be Justin Herbert at best he could be on Rodgers level. Again, my opinion.

[CoachChaz]

More interested in strong and Willis as day 2 development types with upside. People aren't overstating the lack of surefire qb talent in this draft. It's really bad

I'm interested to see how Howell does in the Senior Bowl.

[Jsteve01]

Wait north. You're saying his floor is the guy who had the best rookie QB season in NFL history? Ceiling one of the best to ever lace them up?

[Northman]

I'm interested to see how Howell does in the Senior Bowl.

See, thats weird to me because Howell is not that great to me. Once he lost Carter and Williams he became very average to me.

[Northman]

Wait north. You're saying his floor is the guy who had the best rookie QB season in NFL history? Ceiling one if the best to ever lace them up?

I guess? But yes i do like his potential.

[Jsteve01]

I'm interested to see how Howell does in the Senior Bowl.

Who is your comp on him? He's an enigma. Had people talking about NC as a potential playoff team and was just up and down

[CoachChaz]

Dunno, i watched Pickett the last few years and he has a lot of potential in my opinion. At worst i think he will be Justin Herbert at best he could be on Rodgers level. Again, my opinion.

That's some pretty lofty standards there. I think there is a ton of possibility for him to be much worse than Herbert. I'lll agree the potential to be great is there, but when you are the best in a terrible class of QB's...I don't get too excited

[Jsteve01]

I guess? But yes i do like his potential.

I'm not bashing you. He has potential....but those hands

[CoachChaz]

Who is your comp on him? He's an enigma. Had people talking about NC as a potential playoff team and was just up and down

He lost a ton of talent to the 2021 draft. I was able to watch quite a few NC games this year (for some weird reason) and it was insane how bad his supporting cast was. I think NC led the NCAA in dropped ball percentage and there were many times when Howell was forced to be "creative". Talent wise, I kind of agree with the pundits in that he is comparable to Mayfield, but I think he has a much better head on his shoulders. That's why I'm interested to see what he can do Senior Bowl week with decent talent around him again

[CoachChaz]

See, thats weird to me because Howell is not that great to me. Once he lost Carter and Williams he became very average to me.

Also lost Newsome and the rest of his receiving corps. Like I said, UNC was among the leaders in dropped ball percentage. Again...I don't think he's great...I'm just interested to see how he does when he has some decent talent around him again. If he has a great week, then he's definitely one of my favorites in a bad group

[Traveler]

I was a fan of Hackett and the respect and love he earned from players for quite a while. Can't find it anymore, but there was an article I read around October that kind of made me excited about him potentially being a candidate in the event Fangio was fired...and it all played out. He's a different kind of guy, but I think he'll end up being a good hire for the team. Of course...like ANY other coach...his success is going to be tied to the ability to acquire a QB for the long term. Rodgers can come in with the existing personnel and most of us could coach the team to 11, 12 or 13 wins. It's what he can do when he's given a young, promising talent that will determine his long term fate.

Not to keep beating a dead horse (no pun intended). Not withstanding his legal problems, I would love to see what Hackett could do with Watson. Yeah, I said it…..again. Will wait to see what eventually transpires, but one can dream. Maybe then Jeudy isn’t part of the equation and could be replaced with Fant.

[CoachChaz]

Not to keep beating a dead horse (no pun intended). Not withstanding his legal problems, I would love to see what Hackett could do with Watson. Yeah, I said it…..again. Will wait to see what eventually transpires, but one can dream. Maybe then Jeudy isn’t part of the equation and could be replaced with Fant.

I'm totally on board with a legally cleared Watson. I also think whether it's Rodgers or Wilson or Watson, Jeudy and Albert O are definitely going to be pieces the other teams are going to want involved

[Mozzafiato]

I’m taking credit for Hackett!

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php/611957-What-quot-hot-commodity-quot-Heather-Coach-Would-Actually-Want-to-Coach-here?p=3110660#post3110660

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php/611957-What-quot-hot-commodity-quot-Heather-Coach-Would-Actually-Want-to-Coach-here?p=3110893#post3110893

[BigDaddyBronco]

Woot! Glad we went this way instead of another coach with a defensive background. The current NFL seems to be revolving around the offensive minded coach being more successful.

Now go get Rodgers and Adams! Give them Jeudy, Fant 2 1sts and 2 2nds and I'm good. We can get another TE to team with Albert O and will be loaded with weapons for Rodgers. Draft some additional talent on defense and let's roll!!!

[Strafen]

Rodgers said he’d left the packers know if he’s going to retire or not by march something lol. This guy really doesn’t seem like he wants to play anymore to me.
Rodgers said he didn’t want to be part of a rebuilt. The broncos just need a quarterback

[Strafen]

I’m taking credit for Hackett!

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php/611957-What-quot-hot-commodity-quot-Heather-Coach-Would-Actually-Want-to-Coach-here?p=3110660#post3110660

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php/611957-What-quot-hot-commodity-quot-Heather-Coach-Would-Actually-Want-to-Coach-here?p=3110893#post3110893
:rolleyes:

[UnderArmour]

They already said this decision has zero to do with rodgers. So I hope people don’t try and connect any dot’s. Hackett is our head coach and he’s going to have whoever his quarterback is playing at a high level. If somehow rodgers is released he may or may not end up in Denver. But this hire was simply Hackett being awesome and being able to develop a quarterback.

Rodgers is an NFL player under contract. Making any kind of comment would be tampering. With that said, obviously the front office would not have hired him if they didn't feel like he could stand on his own. However, you have to think that for Paton, he is on the hot seat by default because of the coming ownership change. Acquiring any established QB that can run an elite offense would be a HUGE get and preserve his job. Hackett's relationship with Rodgers was definitely a plus mark during the interview process.

Besides that, what QBs has Hackett actually developed?
In Buffalo, he worked with EJ Manuel (who utterly failed) and then with Kyle Orton (who made the offense look decent). 2015-2016 worked with Bortles as QB coach and the team tanked both years. 2016-2018 with Jacksonville made the playoffs in 2017 with Bortles, 2018 back to sucking and then lost his job. 2019 went to Green Bay behind LaFleur and has looked good.

EJ Manuel? Strike. Bortles? Strike but had one good year. Jordan Love? Jury is out. Orton and Rodgers are the QBs Hackett has worked best with. It's a safe bet that Rodgers is on Hackett's wish list, and if not Rodgers then another veteran QB like a Mitch Trubisky.

As a big picture decision-maker though, Hackett has worked with Marrone and LaFleur, both of which have had respectable runs as HC. His dad was an NFL coach too, and he spent most of his career bouncing through programs. I trust Hackett's background and ability to hire (or retain) the right people to run a quality staff. Ultimately, that's what a head coach should be doing anyways. Hopefully, he's a contrast to Fangio's "death by inches" where he doesn't try to coach every game into a 4th quarter standoff. I'd like to win some games by 14 points and not have the coach dig the team into a deeper hole with bad challenges and poor game awareness at critical moments because of a lack of delegation.

[Strafen]

I have high hopes that Lock could take a big leap this year under Hackett. I’m excited and intrigued at the same time

[Strafen]

Love the call to go with an offensive minded HC. I am anxious to see who he brings in to run the defense and which assistants he retains. If Zimmer, the defense will go to a 4-3 which would put Chubb into either a Barr role or putting his hand in the dirt.

If Rodgers is to come over, hopefully the cost is low. If no Rodgers, it will be interesting to see who Paton brings in as QB.
We were due. I said this town is not ready for yet another defensive minded head coach. No frickin’ way!

[CoachChaz]

Love the call to go with an offensive minded HC. I am anxious to see who he brings in to run the defense and which assistants he retains. If Zimmer, the defense will go to a 4-3 which would put Chubb into either a Barr role or putting his hand in the dirt.

If Rodgers is to come over, hopefully the cost is low. If no Rodgers, it will be interesting to see who Paton brings in as QB.

Last I checked, Donatell was still employed by Denver. What's wrong with keeping him and maintaining some consistency in the one area this team has excelled the past few years?

[Strafen]

I’m loving that the reports have already said this hire has absolutely nothing to do with rodgers. Hackett is just a awesome mind and interviews was off the chart’s. Hackett is here to develop a quarterback. And lead this team, lead this offense.
Amen!

[Mozzafiato]

I have high hopes that Lock could take a big leap this year under Hackett. I’m excited and intrigued at the same time

You’re going to hate it when they bring in Blake Bortles for a “QB competition” and Bortles wins it!

[Mozzafiato]

Last I checked, Donatell was still employed by Denver. What's wrong with keeping him and maintaining some consistency in the one area this team has excelled the past few years?


Nothing “wrong” with it, but coaches usually like to bring in their own guys.

[CoachChaz]

Nothing “wrong” with it, but coaches usually like to bring in their own guys.

I could see if we hired another defensive coach...but with the success the defense has had...the track record Donatell has...the fact he hasn't been fired...I think the odds are in his favor.

[chazoe60]

Last I checked, Donatell was still employed by Denver. What's wrong with keeping him and maintaining some consistency in the one area this team has excelled the past few years?
Or promoting Christian Parker

[CoachChaz]

Or promoting Christian Parker

Just fill out the staff with all former Packers coaches, LOL. Parker also worked with A&M, so he gets extra love.

I just feel like Donatell would have been fired as well if the intent was to allow the next HC to fill that role. I think having his experience on the staff and t continuation of the success the defense has had will save his job. We'll see soon enough.

[Buff]

I am pleased with this hire. He or O'Connell would have been good picks, I think -- Hackett comes with the additional Rodgers upside, in theory.

Also good that we're the first team to make it official - so he'll have first pick of assistants.

[Jsteve01]

Woot! Glad we went this way instead of another coach with a defensive background. The current NFL seems to be revolving around the offensive minded coach being more successful.

Now go get Rodgers and Adams! Give them Jeudy, Fant 2 1sts and 2 2nds and I'm good. We can get another TE to team with Albert O and will be loaded with weapons for Rodgers. Draft some additional talent on defense and let's roll!!!

I was just talking with one of my friends last night about the fact that no matter how many good reviews Quinn got I couldn't help but think that shanahan was behind most of his success.

[Buff]

NFL Media reports that the leading candidate for defensive coordinator is Rams secondary coach/pass game coordinator Ejiro Evero. Evero has been with the Rams since 2017 and took on the pass game coordinator title this year.

Evero and Hackett were college teammates at Cal-Davis and worked on the same Buccaneers staff in 2007. Evero interviewed for the Packers defensive coordinator job last year before Joe Barry was hired for that position.

The report also indicates that the Broncos will request an interview with Packers offensive line coach/run game coordinator Adam Stenavich for their offensive coordinator position. Stenavich could also be a candidate to take on that role in Green Bay once Hackett’s officially announced as the new top man in Denver.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

[Jsteve01]

Just fill out the staff with all former Packers coaches, LOL. Parker also worked with A&M, so he gets extra love.

I just feel like Donatell would have been fired as well if the intent was to allow the next HC to fill that role. I think having his experience on the staff and t continuation of the success the defense has had will save his job. We'll see soon enough.

And the thing about donatell is that he has been all over the league and is extremely well-liked and respected.

[GEM]

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[BroncoJoe]

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[BroncoJoe]

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[slim]

Hey slim! Your GF is wearing orange today!

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She is obviously flirting with me!!!

[BroncoJoe]

She is obviously flirting with me!!!

I actually LOL'd at this

[MasterShake]

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Lol without seeing him he sounds like Will Ferrel!

[Rosebus]

Rodgers is an NFL player under contract. Making any kind of comment would be tampering. With that said, obviously the front office would not have hired him if they didn't feel like he could stand on his own. However, you have to think that for Paton, he is on the hot seat by default because of the coming ownership change. Acquiring any established QB that can run an elite offense would be a HUGE get and preserve his job. Hackett's relationship with Rodgers was definitely a plus mark during the interview process.

Besides that, what QBs has Hackett actually developed?
In Buffalo, he worked with EJ Manuel (who utterly failed) and then with Kyle Orton (who made the offense look decent). 2015-2016 worked with Bortles as QB coach and the team tanked both years. 2016-2018 with Jacksonville made the playoffs in 2017 with Bortles, 2018 back to sucking and then lost his job. 2019 went to Green Bay behind LaFleur and has looked good.

EJ Manuel? Strike. Bortles? Strike but had one good year. Jordan Love? Jury is out. Orton and Rodgers are the QBs Hackett has worked best with. It's a safe bet that Rodgers is on Hackett's wish list, and if not Rodgers then another veteran QB like a Mitch Trubisky.

As a big picture decision-maker though, Hackett has worked with Marrone and LaFleur, both of which have had respectable runs as HC. His dad was an NFL coach too, and he spent most of his career bouncing through programs. I trust Hackett's background and ability to hire (or retain) the right people to run a quality staff. Ultimately, that's what a head coach should be doing anyways. Hopefully, he's a contrast to Fangio's "death by inches" where he doesn't try to coach every game into a 4th quarter standoff. I'd like to win some games by 14 points and not have the coach dig the team into a deeper hole with bad challenges and poor game awareness at critical moments because of a lack of delegation.

Thanks for the breakdown on QBs. I'd argue he hasn't had much to work with but it still isn't very impressive. Love didn't look great but he hasn't had a lot of reps. I'm lukewarm. Liked the idea of the young guy from the Rams but there's more to the job than being innovative on offense. Paton at least went after what he wanted, got to give him credit for that.

[Northman]

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Lol, he made a "Varsity Blues" reference. LOVE IT

[R8R H8R]

Hackett & Quinn were my 1. A & B, so I’m good with this. I don’t believe this hire was solely to try to get Rodgers, but I will say, that it won’t hurt. I originally had Pederson & Daboll as my two favorites, but trusted Paton did his research and either saw flags or they have their sights elsewhere. Interesting to note that neither guy has a job yet. Why not?

Anyway, I’m happy with this, and his success will depend on: who is his QB? His OC? His DC?

Paton will give him whatever he wants in personnel, so now it’s up to him to build a championship team.

[BroncoJoe]

Is it weird that denverbroncos.com isn't saying anything yet?

[slim]

Is it weird that denverbroncos.com isn't saying anything yet?

No. Albright still thinks they are hiring Gannon

[Nomad]

No. Albright still thinks they are hiring Gannon

I thought Albright was the man in the know?

[King87]

I thought Albright was the man in the know?

He is really stupid. I don't know what sources he does or doesn't have, but that man is painfully stupid. I hate him.

[Mozzafiato]

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[chazoe60]

He is really stupid. I don't know what sources he does or doesn't have, but that man is painfully stupid. I hate him.

He's been saying for 2 weeks now that Quinn was the favorite that Quinn was going to get a second interview no matter what. He said bringing in Hackett first was just because Quinn had other commitments. He just says shit.

I also think he is fed info that the team wants out there whether it's true or not.

[King87]

He's been saying for 2 weeks now that Quinn was the favorite that Quinn was going to get a second interview no matter what. He said bringing in Hackett first was just because Quinn had other commitments. He just says shit.

I also think he is fed info that the team wants out there whether it's true or not.

After his take of, and I'll be kind when paraphrasing "x's and o's aren't pivotal for a HC," I was kind flabbergasted. Then I went back and read some of his earlier posts from TC and I remembered how absolute dogshit he is.

[dogfish]

Yeah, bitches!

[Hawgdriver]

I'm skeptical but optimistic.

Really comes down to the elephant in the room, QB.

I hope he pulls Coach Beard with him (Getsy).

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
Dan Quinn has informed teams that he’s staying with the #Cowboys, per sources.

Six teams requested head-coaching interviews with Quinn, who decided he wanted to return to Dallas and try to win a Super Bowl. He should be a hot name again next year.

[Davii]

Very pleased with the choice and glad my tea leaf reading panned out to be true! I had a feeling Quinn was out because they weren’t and Hackett was the choice as after that 2nd interviews with Hackett there was no motion at all. The only question was were they waiting for O’Connell, we know now that Hackett was the favorite. They might’ve wanted to do an in-person with O’Connell but decided no chance they were missing out on Hackett when Jax asked for a 2nd

[BroncoJoe]

Drew Lock this morning:

https://arrowheadaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2022/01/1363506599.jpeg

[Denver Native (Carol)]

The Denver Broncos are hiring Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett to be their head coach, sources confirmed to ESPN on Thursday.

Hackett, who has worked with quarterbacks at all phases on the developmental curve, was scheduled to interview with the Jaguars on Thursday, but the Broncos stepped in Wednesday night to get a deal done to prevent him from going to Jacksonville, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

It will mark Hackett's first stint as a head coach, and he becomes Denver's fourth different coach since the start of the 2016 season. He replaces Vic Fangio, who was fired earlier this month after going 7-10 this past season -- the Broncos' fifth consecutive losing season.

rest - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33157981/denver-broncos-hire-nathaniel-hackett-new-head-coach-sources-say

[Tangerine]

Haha!! Give it up guys, Lock is done here…

Anyway, I’m happy they’re finally doing something to fix an offense that’s been garbage for 6 years. Now, get a QB

[Mozzafiato]

I'm skeptical but optimistic.

Really comes down to the elephant in the room, QB.

I hope he pulls Coach Beard with him (Getsy).

Apparently that’s not happening. Getsy may get the OC job in GB.

[Northman]

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Let me just say that if Rodgers doesnt want to play with Jeudy and Sutton than he is a idiot. Lol

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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33m
Now that Nathaniel Hackett is Broncos head coach, Joe Ellis is expected to address ownership situation next week. Expectation around the league is he will address ownership transition in some form with a sale likely.#9sports

[Denver Native (Carol)]

The Denver Broncos interviewed Los Angeles Rams offensive coordinator Kevin O'Connell for their head coaching vacancy but have gone another route, hiring Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett.

But the Broncos still have interest in one Rams' assistant coach. Ejiro Evero, the Rams' secondary coach and pass game coordinator is "the leading candidate" to become the Broncos defensive coordinator under Hackett, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports.

Evero drew interest during last season's hiring cycle, nearly becoming the Packers defensive coordinator. Ultimately, Green Bay wound up going with Joe Berry, who also was on staff with the Rams before joining the Packers, but Evero's name still remains a hot commodity.

Hackett and Evero were college teammates at UC Davis and spent time together on the Buccaneers staff in 2007.

rest - https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/rams-broncos-defensive-coordinator-ejiro-evero-nathaniel-hackett

[Denver Native (Carol)]

The Broncos are closing in on hiring Green Bay offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett as their new head coach, according to a league source, who confirmed an NFL Network report Thursday morning.

Hackett, who interviewed with the Broncos in Green Bay on Jan. 15 and at the Broncos’ facility on Monday, emerged from a pool of 10 candidates. He was the only one to receive a second interview.

Hackett will receive a four-year contract from the Broncos, according to a source.

Hackett, 42, was expected to interview a second time with the Jacksonville Jaguars on Thursday, but the Broncos swooped in to initiate contract talks. The other finalists were Dallas defensive coordinator Dan Quinn and Los Angeles Rams offensive coordinator Kevin O’Connell. At the beginning of the week, the Broncos were believed to be waiting for O’Connell to become available for a second interview after the Rams’ NFC title game against San Francisco on Sunday. But the timetable got pushed up.

rest - really long, but a lot of information - https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/27/broncos-hiring-nathaniel-hackett-as-new-coach/

[Mozzafiato]

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[Mozzafiato]

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[CoachChaz]

rest - https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/rams-broncos-defensive-coordinator-ejiro-evero-nathaniel-hackett

I don't understand not maintaining consistency with Donatell...but, I guess they want to have people Hacktt is comfortable with

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

My problem with Picket is he has some serious warts...and he's 24 years old. So, how much "growth" is he still capable of? Corral is just a smaller guy with average arm strength that is better suited in an RPO. Not sure how that works out playing in a cold weather city.

I could go deeper on these two guys, but topically...I'm just not a fan of their NFL potential

Wow I had no idea he was already 24 years old. By time his rookie contract is up he’d be 30 years old. Imagine that…….

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

More interested in strong and Willis as day 2 development types with upside. People aren't overstating the lack of surefire qb talent in this draft. It's really bad

Agreed drew lock starts, Willis is the back up developmental prospect

[Denver Native (Carol)]

DENVER — Looking to jumpstart a franchise, if not a dormant offense, the Broncos are finalizing a four-year deal to make Nathaniel Hackett their next head coach, per sources.

Hackett becomes the Broncos’ fourth coach in seven years, explaining the importance of general manager George Paton’s exhaustive search that crisscrossed the country over the past two weeks. The Broncos and Hackett have agreed in principle to the contract, a move designed to to bring energy and stability to a franchise looking to return to its glory years.

The former Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator provides experience, a creative mind and a history of working with quarterbacks of all abiltities as Denver aims to end its six-year playoff drought and five-year run of losing seasons. Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator Dan Quinn was considered the favorite, but Hackett won out in a field of 10 candidates, including fellow finalist Kevin O’Connell, the Rams offensive coordinator.

rest - https://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/broncos/broncos-finalizing-head-coach-deal-with-packers-nathaniel-hackett-reports-say

[slim]

Wow I had no idea he was already 24 years old. By time his rookie contract is up he’d be 30 years old. Imagine that…….

Yeah, we should probably just draft a high school kid, just to safe

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Woot! Glad we went this way instead of another coach with a defensive background. The current NFL seems to be revolving around the offensive minded coach being more successful.

Now go get Rodgers and Adams! Give them Jeudy, Fant 2 1sts and 2 2nds and I'm good. We can get another TE to team with Albert O and will be loaded with weapons for Rodgers. Draft some additional talent on defense and let's roll!!!

Man he’ll no!!!!! **** no! Rodgers on the cap for 45-50 million and then adams another 20 million per year? Say hello to all our cap tied into rodgers Sutton Patrick adams 4 guys! **** no!

Jeudy is elite with good quarterback play and we’re going to just trade him away for what? I hate that broncos fans always want to dump our own home grown player’s it really makes me sick.

**** rodgers and **** adams! We have our own homegrown wideouts, 4 of them including hamler.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Rodgers is an NFL player under contract. Making any kind of comment would be tampering. With that said, obviously the front office would not have hired him if they didn't feel like he could stand on his own. However, you have to think that for Paton, he is on the hot seat by default because of the coming ownership change. Acquiring any established QB that can run an elite offense would be a HUGE get and preserve his job. Hackett's relationship with Rodgers was definitely a plus mark during the interview process.

Besides that, what QBs has Hackett actually developed?
In Buffalo, he worked with EJ Manuel (who utterly failed) and then with Kyle Orton (who made the offense look decent). 2015-2016 worked with Bortles as QB coach and the team tanked both years. 2016-2018 with Jacksonville made the playoffs in 2017 with Bortles, 2018 back to sucking and then lost his job. 2019 went to Green Bay behind LaFleur and has looked good.

EJ Manuel? Strike. Bortles? Strike but had one good year. Jordan Love? Jury is out. Orton and Rodgers are the QBs Hackett has worked best with. It's a safe bet that Rodgers is on Hackett's wish list, and if not Rodgers then another veteran QB like a Mitch Trubisky.

As a big picture decision-maker though, Hackett has worked with Marrone and LaFleur, both of which have had respectable runs as HC. His dad was an NFL coach too, and he spent most of his career bouncing through programs. I trust Hackett's background and ability to hire (or retain) the right people to run a quality staff. Ultimately, that's what a head coach should be doing anyways. Hopefully, he's a contrast to Fangio's "death by inches" where he doesn't try to coach every game into a 4th quarter standoff. I'd like to win some games by 14 points and not have the coach dig the team into a deeper hole with bad challenges and poor game awareness at critical moments because of a lack of delegation.

Oh now Paton is on the hot seat huh? As if a owner is just going to come in and just want to fire for no reason. I stopped reading after that.

Anyways today was supposed to be exciting but reading some of the shit you people are saying that makes zero sense is spoiling the day so I’m going to exit the forum because it’s killing my vibe with the crazy shit you people are saying

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Yeah, we should probably just draft a high school kid, just to safe

Or maybe just draft a 21 year old like normal. You was probably that guy pounding the table for Brandon weeden and ended up looking goofy.

[LawDog]

Oh now Paton is on the hot seat huh? As if a owner is just going to come in and just want to fire for no reason. I stopped reading after that.

Anyways today was supposed to be exciting but reading some of the shit you people are saying that makes zero sense is spoiling the day so I’m going to exit the forum because it’s killing my vibe with the crazy shit you people are saying

That lasted, what, four minutes?

[Nomad]

How’s things going on in here? :D

[Davii]

I don't understand not maintaining consistency with Donatell...but, I guess they want to have people Hacktt is comfortable with

I'm sure Donatell will still get a chance to interview with Hackett, or at least meet him. Do we know how much of a hand Donatell actually had in the D? I mean, I know he didn't call the D as Vic did, but how involved was he in game planning, etc?

Obviously Evero doesn't call plays in LA either, all I really know about him is he appears to have done a nice job in LA with their secondary and he was a top candidate for DC in GB last year.

[Davii]

Or maybe just draft a 21 year old like normal. You was probably that guy pounding the table for Brandon weeden and ended up looking goofy.

19772

[chazoe60]

Or maybe just draft a 21 year old like normal. You was probably that guy pounding the table for Brandon weeden and ended up looking goofy.

Slim looked goofy way before Weeden was in the draft.

If we're drafting HS kids I strongly suggest Arch Manning.

[slim]

Slim looked goofy way before Weeden was in the draft.

If we're drafting HS kids I strongly suggest Arch Manning.

I’ve looked goofy since before Weeden was even born!!

[Strafen]

https://twitter.com/RichieCarni/status/1486686880439554056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1486686880439554056%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.broncosboard.com%2Fnode% 2F40785%2Fpage2

One of da’ best in my opinion!

[Strafen]

I don't understand not maintaining consistency with Donatell...but, I guess they want to have people Hacktt is comfortable with

Donatell is terrible. He really is

[Strafen]

You’re going to hate it when they bring in Blake Bortles for a “QB competition” and Bortles wins it!

And you think that will be a good think for the broncos?
That’s a terrible way to start your NFL. Head coaching career. I can’t think of anything more stupid than that

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Donatell is terrible. He really is

Why do you think he is terrible?

[Eddiemac87]

And you think that will be a good think for the broncos?
That’s a terrible way to start your NFL. Head coaching career. I can’t think of anything more stupid than that


Well, if they brought me in... that would be worse...… to be fair...

[Simple Jaded]

I'm sure Donatell will still get a chance to interview with Hackett, or at least meet him. Do we know how much of a hand Donatell actually had in the D? I mean, I know he didn't call the D as Vic did, but how involved was he in game planning, etc?

Obviously Evero doesn't call plays in LA either, all I really know about him is he appears to have done a nice job in LA with their secondary and he was a top candidate for DC in GB last year.
Coached under Dom Capers, Wade Phillips, Brandon Staley and Raheem Morris.

He’s passing game coordinator but he’s African American so it’s highly unlikely that the Rams block this move.

Sean Desai is still an intriguing candidate to me as well.

[Simple Jaded]

And you think that will be a good think for the broncos?
That’s a terrible way to start your NFL. Head coaching career. I can’t think of anything more stupid than that

Teddy Bedweter ring a bell?

[Simple Jaded]

My problem with Picket is he has some serious warts...and he's 24 years old. So, how much "growth" is he still capable of? Corral is just a smaller guy with average arm strength that is better suited in an RPO. Not sure how that works out playing in a cold weather city.

I could go deeper on these two guys, but topically...I'm just not a fan of their NFL potential

Plus he’s literally got smaller hands than my 5’-6” wife, you can’t have a QB walking around the lockerroom like that and still be the Alpha … maybe a kicker.

[Simple Jaded]

Dunno, i watched Pickett the last few years and he has a lot of potential in my opinion. At worst i think he will be Justin Herbert at best he could be on Rodgers level. Again, my opinion.

I think Derek Carr would suffice.

[UnderArmour]

Oh now Paton is on the hot seat huh? As if a owner is just going to come in and just want to fire for no reason. I stopped reading after that.

Anyways today was supposed to be exciting but reading some of the shit you people are saying that makes zero sense is spoiling the day so I’m going to exit the forum because it’s killing my vibe with the crazy shit you people are saying

Some owners are hands off, others are hands on. It's an investment over $4 billion dollars... Every member of the organization to a degree will be interviewing for their jobs again the second power changes. It's just the nature of how things work. Don't believe me? Go look into the last few ownership changes and the front office movements.

[Simple Jaded]

Just fill out the staff with all former Packers coaches, LOL. Parker also worked with A&M, so he gets extra love.

I just feel like Donatell would have been fired as well if the intent was to allow the next HC to fill that role. I think having his experience on the staff and t continuation of the success the defense has had will save his job. We'll see soon enough.
Maybe Donatell could also be retained as DB’s coach, following Fangio seems to be less of a motivation if he’s going to be his DB’s coach there too.

DB coaching has been trending to DB’s coach with CB and/or S’s coaches, making Parker feasibly retained. Parker’s resume shows he’s always been a CB’s Coach in this scenario and Donatell is a noted S coach.

Having to choose I would choose Parker though, younger and developing a good reputation in his own right, plus, he’s coached at A&M.

[King87]

Plus he’s literally got smaller hands than my 5’-6” wife, you can’t have a QB walking around the lockerroom like that and still be the Alpha … maybe a kicker.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/story/_/id/28770715/why-nfl-combine-built-myth-qb-hand-size-measurement-mean-anything

Please stop. I hold you in the highest regard for your logical acument and research. Please understand that there's no basis for this 'measurement' mattering. I call upon you to fall in line with your greatness. <3

[Nomad]

19773

[Strafen]

There will be a press conference tomorrow to introduce Nathaniel “the hack” Hackett as the Denver Broncos new head coach. That should be a good conference. I’m looking forward to hear what he has to say...

[Denver Native (Carol)]

DENVER (CBS4) – Broncos players initial reaction to the hiring of Nathaniel Hackett as the team’s head coach is excitement. Hackett will the first offensive minded head coach leading Denver since Gary Kubiak.

Veteran defensive lineman Shelby Harris has been with the Broncos through the last two head coaches, both of whom were defensive minded in Vance Joseph and Vic Fangio. Harris is intrigued and eager to see what an offensive minded head coach can bring.

“I’m excited. I’ve never had an offensive head coach before, so that change of flavor is interesting to me. Just to see how offensive and defense head coaches do things differently. Obviously offense is going to be the big emphasis now,” Harris said. “I really just feel like its excitement. It’s something that’s new to all of us. A lot of the young guys — all they know is Vic or Vance. We’re excited for this to change. He’s coming from a winning place in Green Bay. It’s really exciting to figure out what he’s going to bring from Green Bay and hopefully get us over the hump.”

rest - https://denver.cbslocal.com/2022/01/27/shelby-harris-nathaniel-hackett-special-denver-broncos/

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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Broncos to introduce new head coach Nathaniel Hackett at 3 p.m. tomorrow at team headquarters. #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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Hackett also big fan of Packers O-Line coach Adam Stenavich. Hackett would like Stenavich as Broncos new OC although others to be interviewed for position. If Hackett calls plays as expected, Broncos may need permission from Packers for Stenavich. #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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It would be big upset, I'm told, if Rams DB/pass coord Ejiro Evero does not become Denver's next D-coordinator. Evero worked under Fangio in SF, Staley in LA. So he knows Broncos' current D system. And Evero and Hackett are tight going back to their college days. #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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Paton statement IV: "I could not be more excited to partner with Nathaniel and welcome him along with his family-his wife, Megan, and children Harrison, London, Briar and Everly-to the Denver Broncos."#9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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Paton III: "From developing younger players to working with all-time greats as a key part of winning teams, Nathaniel has had tremendous success in this league. He's a student of the game and knows how to put players in position to win. (more) #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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Paton II: "He will bring positive energy & enthusiasm to the entire Broncos organization as our head coach. Creating a winning, competitive environment for the players, coaches and staff-and doing it through personal connections and efficiency-is a big part of his plan. (more)

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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George Paton: "Nathaniel Hackett is a dynamic leader & coach whose intelligence, innovation & charisma impressed us from the start of this process. In addition, Nathaniel is an outstanding teacher and communicator with a strong vision for all 3 phases of our team.(more) #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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Broncos announce they have agreed on terms (4-year contract) with Nathaniel Hackett as the 18th head coach in team history. (Also 5th head coach coach in 8 years). #9sports

[Strafen]

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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49m
Broncos to introduce new head coach Nathaniel Hackett at 3 p.m. tomorrow at team headquarters. #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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1h
Hackett also big fan of Packers O-Line coach Adam Stenavich. Hackett would like Stenavich as Broncos new OC although others to be interviewed for position. If Hackett calls plays as expected, Broncos may need permission from Packers for Stenavich. #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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1h
It would be big upset, I'm told, if Rams DB/pass coord Ejiro Evero does not become Denver's next D-coordinator. Evero worked under Fangio in SF, Staley in LA. So he knows Broncos' current D system. And Evero and Hackett are tight going back to their college days. #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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1h
Paton statement IV: "I could not be more excited to partner with Nathaniel and welcome him along with his family-his wife, Megan, and children Harrison, London, Briar and Everly-to the Denver Broncos."#9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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1h
Paton III: "From developing younger players to working with all-time greats as a key part of winning teams, Nathaniel has had tremendous success in this league. He's a student of the game and knows how to put players in position to win. (more) #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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1h
Paton II: "He will bring positive energy & enthusiasm to the entire Broncos organization as our head coach. Creating a winning, competitive environment for the players, coaches and staff-and doing it through personal connections and efficiency-is a big part of his plan. (more)

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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1h
George Paton: "Nathaniel Hackett is a dynamic leader & coach whose intelligence, innovation & charisma impressed us from the start of this process. In addition, Nathaniel is an outstanding teacher and communicator with a strong vision for all 3 phases of our team.(more) #9sports

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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2h
Broncos announce they have agreed on terms (4-year contract) with Nathaniel Hackett as the 18th head coach in team history. (Also 5th head coach coach in 8 years). #9sportsThank you Carol for sharing that. Lots to be excited about this upcoming season!

[Nomad]

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[Timmy!]

The fact that Stephen A Smith calls this hire "sickening" makes me even happier. Racist pos.

[Timmy!]

Man he’ll no!!!!! **** no! Rodgers on the cap for 45-50 million and then adams another 20 million per year? Say hello to all our cap tied into rodgers Sutton Patrick adams 4 guys! **** no!

Jeudy is elite with good quarterback play and we’re going to just trade him away for what? I hate that broncos fans always want to dump our own home grown player’s it really makes me sick.

**** rodgers and **** adams! We have our own homegrown wideouts, 4 of them including hamler.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is taking a 45mil cap hit for Rodgers. The Packers know damn well any trade is going to involve them paying around 40% of that cap hit. As for Adam's? He's possibly the best WR in football. I have zero problems keeping our current WR's but if Adam's cost Juedy and a 2nd? Yes plz.

[Strafen]

19775

And that right there is how I see our team being more efficient. I’m sure he sees potential in Drew Lock. Lock has been doing it all on his own, to have a mentor like Hackett to help him achieve the next level, and with an explosive offense that in my opinion favors Lock’s skills, I see this as the best situation. In fact, bring him competition I’m sure under hackett’s system Lock will flourish in a big way

[dogfish]

nathaniel "hacksaw" hackett-- love it. . . cut 'em to pieces, coach!

he wasn't my first choice-- i did like pederson and daboll better-- but i really like his resume a lot. . . for the first time since kubes, i'm happy with our critical HC hire. . . after being fed bullshit with "joseph2017 ; he's a leader of men" and "fangio2019 ; no more death by inches", my heart couldn't have stood "quinn2022 ; he'll hire a great staff". . . screw that noise-- "hackett2022 ; let's score some f**king points!" is vastly more promising. . . do we still need a QB to be succesful? obviously-- no one is going to debate that point. . . but at least we'll now have some stability in philosophy and scheme on the offensive side of the ball-- and if we do end up having to develop a rookie QB, that's absolutely essential. . . in a divsion (and conference) with the firepower we have to compete against, hiring a CEO type and watching him delegate the most important piece of business to a subordinate was never gonna get it done for me. . . particularly when you look at the usual suspects from quinn's background. . . granted, a potato with googly eyes glued to it would be an upgrade from freakin' shurmur, but guys like koetter and mularkey barely move the needle at all. . . and if he had hired a legit young gun, he would've been poached within a year or two, leaving us in the same boat. . .

none of us know how hackett will work out, only time will tell that. . . i'm just happy they are at least making a legit effort-- that's all you can ask. . . for me, hiring another defensive guy (for this team, at this juncture) would have been tantamount to just giving up, and admitting we can't compete with the mahomes and allens of the world. . . paton made the smart move. . . the #MiseryPorn agenda just took another big hit. . . it can still connect on a hail mary if we spend big for cousins, but up to this point george has handled everything right this off-season, as far as i'm concerned. . . now we just need to figure out the QB situation, and crush another draft, and we'll be cookin' with gas again for real. . .

:defense:

#BigBoyFootball
#VictoryPorn

[Strafen]

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is taking a 45mil cap hit for Rodgers. The Packers know damn well any trade is going to involve them paying around 40% of that cap hit. As for Adam's? He's possibly the best WR in football. I have zero problems keeping our current WR's but if Adam's cost Juedy and a 2nd? Yes plz.I suspect Adams will be tagged...

[R8R H8R]

This is cool. Rich Hurtado is the Broncos cap/contract guy. The deal got done about midnight.
https://twitter.com/broncos/status/1486905131937329152?s=21

[Simple Jaded]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/story/_/id/28770715/why-nfl-combine-built-myth-qb-hand-size-measurement-mean-anything

Please stop. I hold you in the highest regard for your logical acument and research. Please understand that there's no basis for this 'measurement' mattering. I call upon you to fall in line with your greatness. <3

Never!

[King87]

Never!

But you have no basis with which to proffer your conclusion; your presuppositions are folly! Jaded! FOLLY!!!!!!

[Simple Jaded]

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is taking a 45mil cap hit for Rodgers. The Packers know damn well any trade is going to involve them paying around 40% of that cap hit. As for Adam's? He's possibly the best WR in football. I have zero problems keeping our current WR's but if Adam's cost Juedy and a 2nd? Yes plz.

This is why teams get stuck in scrub QB purgatory.

[dogfish]

Never!

can't stop won't stop!

[Simple Jaded]

But you have no basis with which to proffer your conclusion; your presuppositions are folly! Jaded! FOLLY!!!!!!

If we were talking Mahomie/Burrow territory I would agree. 8 1/4”? Debbie’s hands are 8”.

I have 9 1/2” hands and it’s hard to grip an NFL football, 8 1/4” for a dude is borderline midget territory. He better be able to unhinge that thumb like snake does its jaw.

Plus … he can’t palm a basketball.

[King87]

This is why teams get stuck in scrub QB purgatory.

That's why you trade for Cousins, so you don't have a scrub QB! You have an above average QB! But you also don't pass on guys like Watson or Fields, when they're for the taking! If you can get better QB talent you go out there and you get it!


can't stop won't stop!

He's a monster!

[King87]

If we were talking Mahomie/Burrow territory I would agree. 8 1/4”? Debbie’s hands are 8”.

I have 9 1/2” hands and it’s hard to grip an NFL football, 8 1/4” for a dude is borderline midget territory. He better be able to unhinge that thumb like snake does its jaw.

Plus … he can’t palm a basketball.

He can't palm a bball? My god!

Jaded, what I"m telling you is that the basis for your argument doesn't exist. Moreover, read the section about the pinky finger.

[Simple Jaded]

He can't palm a bball? My god!

Jaded, what I"m telling you is that the basis for your argument doesn't exist. Moreover, read the section about the pinky finger.

You know I can’t read.

[Timmy!]

This is why teams get stuck in scrub QB purgatory.

The cap has never limited us to QB purgatory. We spent all of what, 5 mil on QB's this season? I'm no Rodgers fan boi but sign me up for 3 years at 20mil a piece. I trust Patton to draft an heir apparent when needed to be groomed, meanwhile let's crush box.

[Davii]

The cap has never limited us to QB purgatory. We spent all of what, 5 mil on QB's this season? I'm no Rodgers fan boi but sign me up for 3 years at 20mil a piece. I trust Patton to draft an heir apparent when needed to be groomed, meanwhile let's crush box.

3 years at 20 and a rookie to groom? I’m in, but Rogers comes with a 46 million cap hit next year…. I’m not in for that. In think the chances he comes here for 20 are slim to none

[Simple Jaded]

The cap has never limited us to QB purgatory. We spent all of what, 5 mil on QB's this season? I'm no Rodgers fan boi but sign me up for 3 years at 20mil a piece. I trust Patton to draft an heir apparent when needed to be groomed, meanwhile let's crush box.

No, arrogance has limited the Broncos to QB purgatory.

[Timmy!]

3 years at 20 and a rookie to groom? I’m in, but Rogers comes with a 46 million cap hit next year…. I’m not in for that. In think the chances he comes here for 20 are slim to none

As stated in another thread, nobody, and I mean nobody, is paying that full 46mil hit. The Packers know this. They are going to eat 15+ mil no matter what unless he retires.

[Timmy!]

No, arrogance has limited the Broncos to QB purgatory.

Times they are a changing......

[San Juan Mountain Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KwOZdo2JMw

[Simple Jaded]

Rodgers cap number is $45 M, his base salary is only $27 M, with $20 M in dead money for GB.

I don’t think teams would have to take on more than his base salary, otherwise there wouldn’t be such a huge dead money hit for GB. Now, there guaranteed salaries or roster bonuses instead of up-front guarantees you could be right.

https://overthecap.com/player/aaron-rodgers/1085/

[Simple Jaded]

Rodgers cap number is $45 M, his base salary is only $27 M, with $20 M in dead money for GB.

I don’t think teams would have to take on more than his base salary, otherwise there wouldn’t be such a huge dead money hit for GB. Now, there guaranteed salaries or roster bonuses instead of up-front guarantees you could be right.
Also, since Rodgers is a free agent in 2023 I would hope that lowers the price to acquire him.

[R8R H8R]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KwOZdo2JMw

Fascinating. Thank you.

[slim]

If we were talking Mahomie/Burrow territory I would agree. 8 1/4”? Debbie’s hands are 8”.

I have 9 1/2” hands and it’s hard to grip an NFL football, 8 1/4” for a dude is borderline midget territory. He better be able to unhinge that thumb like snake does its jaw.

Plus … he can’t palm a basketball.

Yeah, but what about his arm length and 3 cone time? Those have to count for something!!

[slim]

Give me a sec, I’m gonna go check out his bubble.

[Simple Jaded]

Yeah, but what about his arm length and 3 cone time? Those have to count for something!!

Valid point, at this point we don’t have that info … the plot thickens.

[slim]

Alright, boys. I have thoroughly scouted Pickett and can confirm he has a nice bubble!!

[Mozzafiato]

Rodgers cap number is $45 M, his base salary is only $27 M, with $20 M in dead money for GB.

I don’t think teams would have to take on more than his base salary, otherwise there wouldn’t be such a huge dead money hit for GB. Now, there guaranteed salaries or roster bonuses instead of up-front guarantees you could be right.

https://overthecap.com/player/aaron-rodgers/1085/

Agree. I think the cap number for an acquiring team would be ~$27mil.

[Simple Jaded]

Alright, boys. I have thoroughly scouted Pickett and can confirm he has a nice bubble!!

Is his bubble twitchy?

[Strafen]

I like Rodgers as our quarterback as much as the next guy, but at this point in his career, he’s not worthy of the money we’re going to folk over to get him, not to mention draft picks. Hell no!

[Mozzafiato]

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[Davii]

Yeah, but what about his arm length and 3 cone time? Those have to count for something!!

What about Coach Hackett’s three cone time?

[Simple Jaded]

I like Rodgers as our quarterback as much as the next guy, but at this point in his career, he’s not worthy of the money we’re going to folk over to get him, not to mention draft picks. Hell no!

I’d agree with you but then we’d both be wrong.

[Simple Jaded]

How in the **** can a living, breathing human be fawning all over Drew Lock but say “Hell No!” To Aaron Rodgers?

Broncos fans have lost their ******* minds.

[BroncoJoe]

https://twitter.com/Broncos/status/1487073937716482056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1487073937716482056%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.broncosboard.com%2Fnode% 2F40785%2Fpage10

[Rosebus]

Ok, I was lukewarm at first (would be with any hire), but now I am excited. He likes to run the ball and have a truly balanced attack. He also has the energy and enthusiasm that I think has been sorely missing. He seems like he'll take the pressures of the job in stride and keep things light for the players. This team hasn't been able to find an identity since SB50 so hopefully he can drive that. VJ and Vic had zero personality.

[slim]

What about Coach Hackett’s three cone time?

Once he started shaving his head, his time got more respectable

[slim]

Is his bubble twitchy?

The twitchiest

[Nomad]

He’s a family man. I like it.

19778

[Davii]

How in the **** can a living, breathing human be fawning all over Drew Lock but say “Hell No!” To Aaron Rodgers?

Broncos fans have lost their ******* minds.

You need to buy smaller paint brushes. You paint with way too broad a brush.

[Simple Jaded]

You need to buy smaller paint brushes. You paint with way too broad a brush.

They know who they are.

[dogfish]

You need to buy smaller paint brushes. You paint with way too broad a brush.

Funny, I've always pictured him as more of a finger painter.

[R8R H8R]

If Hackett is a guy that builds the offense around the players, particularly the QB, then I’m in big time. It would seem so based on his history with bums like Bortles & EJ Manuel. I’m sick of the guys that think it’s his system that everyone else has to evolve around.

[Simple Jaded]

I’m basically Picasso with an Etchasketch.

[chilluminati918]

Get ready for MVP Drew Lock…. Hahaha

[Hawgdriver]

What about Coach Hackett’s three cone time?

What do we know about Coach Hackett's third cone?

[Denver Native (Carol)]

From article:


Hackett earned that opportunity Thursday, as General Manager George Paton and the Broncos tabbed him to lead their team back to the postseason. And while he'll be tasked with helping the entire team improve, his ability to tutor the quarterback position will surely be one of his biggest impacts in Denver.


Through his ability to tailor an offense to his quarterback and the manner in which he made week-to-week adjustments, Hackett showed Bortles his ability as both a motivator and a tactician.

full article - https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/he-s-somebody-that-everybody-in-the-building-will-want-to-play-for-former-jaguar

[Hawgdriver]

You need to buy smaller paint brushes. You paint with way too broad a brush.

How do we know he's not just eating glue?

[Northman]

Ok, I was lukewarm at first (would be with any hire), but now I am excited. He likes to run the ball and have a truly balanced attack. He also has the energy and enthusiasm that I think has been sorely missing. He seems like he'll take the pressures of the job in stride and keep things light for the players. This team hasn't been able to find an identity since SB50 so hopefully he can drive that. VJ and Vic had zero personality.

Yea, i know people dont care much about ra-ra type of coaches but i actually want one that acts like he wants to win and isnt just picking up a paycheck.

[Northman]

How do we know he's not just eating glue?

Eating or sniffing?

[Northman]

Get ready for MVP Drew Lock…. Hahaha

Would be sweet to see it if it happens.

[BroncoJoe]

Eating or sniffing?

Probably both?

?? !!

[Hawgdriver]

Eating or sniffing?

Maybe sniffing his 'finger paint'?

[King87]

Maybe sniffing his 'finger paint'?

You're going too deeply into the universal secrets, Hawg. Turn back, friend.

[Hawgdriver]

You're going too deeply into the universal secrets, Hawg. Turn back, friend.

It's too late! I flew off the bridge like the Eminem song.

[King87]

It's too late! I flew off the bridge like the Eminem song.

By invoking Eminem you are now soundly back to boring reality. You have unwittingly saved your own life.

My work here is done.

[chilluminati918]

Would be sweet to see it if it happens.

I agree. I still support Drew. I doubt he is the starter if we do get Rodgers. Which I’m fine with that too. Just no more dink and dunk type QB’s. I can’t take more of that

[Nomad]

Welcome to Denver.

19779

[MasterShake]

Really looking forward to his press conference today. Haven't been this excited about a coaching change since we dumped McDaniels.

[Northman]

Really looking forward to his press conference today. Haven't been this excited about a coaching change since we dumped McDaniels.

Same.

I will probably miss the press conference due to other engagements but will catch all the reports on here.

[Davii]

Stream here if anyone is looking.

https://kdvr.com/sports/denver-broncos/introduce-nathaniel-hackett-as-head-coach/

Getting ready to start!

[Davii]

Paton discussed and thanked all ten candidates for the HC position for interviewing and said nice things about the whole group. Seems very genuine, I like having him as a spokesman for the franchise, seems to be a very genuine, intelligent, and humble guy.

Had a lot of great things to say about Hackett, praised how he impressed in GB and even more at Los Dos Portrillos. HAckett about to come up to the mic, looking forward to hearing his plan!

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Stream here if anyone is looking.

https://kdvr.com/sports/denver-broncos/introduce-nathaniel-hackett-as-head-coach/

Getting ready to start!

online - https://www.denverbroncos.com/video/live-hackett-media-availability

[Strafen]

I’m listening to the press conference. Great stuff!!

[Strafen]

Great vision the way he puts into words his plans, explaining the four facets of the game having coached linebackers, special teams, defense and offense coordinator

[Strafen]

I think we’ve got ourselves a great one, folks

[Davii]

I think we’ve got ourselves a great one, folks

I’m impressed. Really nice to hear that he’s coached all phases of the game, I appreciated his comments about balance and how it changes week to week, how you have to adapt your coaching to your players best strengths, put them in position to do their best and then do it repeatedly.

I kind his energy and enthusiasm and he seems to be pretty transparent and open. I’m looking forward to seeing him out these plans into action and seeing where we go from here.

Go Broncos!

[Mozzafiato]

Super likable guy. Says all the right things. Bright, confident, well spoken. Let's hope that translates to success on Sundays!

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Paton's an impressive fella.

[Jsteve01]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/story/_/id/28770715/why-nfl-combine-built-myth-qb-hand-size-measurement-mean-anything

Please stop. I hold you in the highest regard for your logical acument and research. Please understand that there's no basis for this 'measurement' mattering. I call upon you to fall in line with your greatness. <3

I would argue with you but when you posted the stat on how arm length wasn't as important as we all had been led to believe you schooled me. So I will refrain from any unsubstantiated argument at this point. Miss you kinger

[Strafen]

Adding the outside zone into his offense takes it up another level

[Strafen]

I’m impressed. Really nice to hear that he’s coached all phases of the game, I appreciated his comments about balance and how it changes week to week, how you have to adapt your coaching to your players best strengths, put them in position to do their best and then do it repeatedly.

I kind his energy and enthusiasm and he seems to be pretty transparent and open. I’m looking forward to seeing him out these plans into action and seeing where we go from here.

Go Broncos!

Great stuff. He’s super excited. He sounds like he’s gotten his dream job, not just of being a head coach, but a coach of an organization like the Denver Broncos

[Strafen]

online - https://www.denverbroncos.com/video/live-hackett-media-availability

Thanks Carol as usual for sharing and for your well timed contributions!

[Denver Native (Carol)]

As Nathaniel Hackett begins his tenure with the Broncos, DenverBroncos.com reached out to NFL Network insider Ian Rapoport to get his thoughts on the hire.

Rapoport details why Hackett made sense for the Broncos, why it was the right time for him to be a head coach and how his staff could shape up in Denver.

Aric DiLalla: What was your initial reaction to the team's decision to hire Nathaniel Hackett?

Ian Rapoport: "I thought it was great. I wasn't surprised, honestly, because I kind of heard how some Broncos people were talking about him after the initial interview and about the connection he made with [General Manager] George Paton. And so I wasn't like surprised. I know everyone was talking about maybe some other candidates, maybe Dan Quinn was a front-runner. I think a lot of people were saying that, and I got that because Quinn was a really strong candidate, too. But when I thought about what the Broncos were looking for, this made more sense. For people who don't know Nathaniel Hackett, he is fun and he is kind of crazy and he is incredibly brilliant. Very, very, very smart, very innovative, very creative. Just really likes football. Really likes talking about football. So there's been times at the Combine where I'll run into him or I'll sit down with him with no agenda, just say hello, and we'll get into a long conversation about just why some teams are running these plays and why other teams aren't and where they come from and the history of it, and it's just like, that's every conversation. It just draws you right in. He is a compelling personality and, I think, a very, very good football coach. So, no, considering what the Broncos were looking for, I wasn't surprised and I was pretty happy to see it."

rest - https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/a-very-very-good-football-coach-nfln-s-ian-rapoport-evaluates-broncos-hire-of-na

[Strafen]

Paton's an impressive fella.

He’s a more matured, more seasoned version of Scangarello. I think by the time mini camp starts and all of the OTC, that he should be able to identify Lock as the right guy to run his offense. He fit perfectly and he talked about developing quarterbacks by running the wide zone with a running game designed to get yards in chunks.
Yes, he said winning is everything and I personally believe his system will lead to wins.
Great stuff, guys!

[Strafen]

rest - https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/a-very-very-good-football-coach-nfln-s-ian-rapoport-evaluates-broncos-hire-of-na

The way he addressed the media and everything he said connected to a lot of people including players, and nope, not because that’s what people wanted to hear, but because everything he said sound genuine and not rehearsed, everything was in a nutshell about his coaching lineage that we heard him talked about; what he’s done and where he’s been...

[chilluminati918]

After how absolutely disappointing last season was. I’m now truly looking forward to seeing what happens leading to next season and finally being able to enjoy football again

[Nomad]

Are Bronco fans really going to let Hackett build chemistry with the team before getting impatient? It may take a year or two.

[dogfish]

Are Bronco fans really going to let Hackett build chemistry with the team before getting impatient? It may take a year or two.

he gets three weeks!

[Nomad]

he gets three weeks!

With some, I’m sure it’s less. I’d say the draft.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — As the Chiefs, Bengals, Rams and 49ers prepare for their respective conference championship matchups, their similarities are evident.

All four teams feature a dynamic offense with a creative play caller, and they've followed that path to within a game of the Super Bowl.

As General Manager George Paton and Co. debated whom to hire as the Broncos' next head coach, the Broncos' need to close the gap between their offense and the top units in the league was among their considerations.

"You watch the playoffs, obviously these offenses are dynamic," Paton said Friday. "And obviously we have a long way to go in that capacity. We need to get better on offense and we need to score a lot more points, and we need to be more explosive and more exciting for our great fans."

rest - https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/he-has-a-brilliant-football-mind-inside-hc-nathaniel-hackett-s-plan-for-the-bron

[Strafen]

rest - https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/he-has-a-brilliant-football-mind-inside-hc-nathaniel-hackett-s-plan-for-the-bron

Yup. We’re talking explosive offenses here. Welcome back the west coast/outside zone, system!

[Hawgdriver]

With some, I’m sure it’s less. I’d say the draft.

I'd say so far Paton passes the sniff test.

[Strafen]

The outside zone was very popular with Alex Gibbs and Mike Shanahan. It’s a system designed to push the defense back with the running game and attack spaces.
Here’s a good definition I just googled..

Outside zone is a run play that takes advantage of the cut-off blocks and leverages the offensive line to get an aggressive running attack that will wear down the defense's pursuit. ... Outside zone is a play that aims to attack the edge of the defense but utilizes backside cutoffsIn other words, get yards in chunks!

[Strafen]

Outside zone is a term that’s going to be talked about a lot and everybody will become more familiar with it, and we also have the right back in Javonte Williams to maul people past the line scrimmage from the edge

[BroncoJoe]

I'd say so far Paton passes the sniff test.

I'd say he's stepped up to the plate and knocked the cover off the ball so far.

Extremely happy he's our GM and the one guiding our beloved Broncos.

[Simple Jaded]

Outside zone is a term that’s going to be talked about a lot and everybody will become more familiar with it, and we also have the right back in Javonte Williams to maul people past the line scrimmage from the edge

Inside zone and Duo might dominate the play calls, according to JoRo, we shouldn’t expect a ton more stretch zone … which is important because those OC extremists tend handicap their offense with scrub personnel.

[Simple Jaded]

The outside zone was very popular with Alex Gibbs and Mike Shanahan. It’s a system designed to push the defense back with the running game and attack spaces.
Here’s a good definition I just googled..
In other words, get yards in chunks!

This dogma is gone, hopefully forever.

[Simple Jaded]

Yup. We’re talking explosive offenses here. Welcome back the west coast/outside zone, system!

https://www.milehighreport.com/2022/1/27/22904836/what-parts-of-the-packers-offense-will-nathaniel-hackett-bring-with-him-to-the-broncos

Hopefully you’re wrong. The stretch zone is a play, a concept … not an entire ******* system.

[Strafen]

This dogma is gone, hopefully forever.

Minute 17’ of the presser go and listen to it, and comeback and tell us about it, would you?1487183225986420736

[Strafen]

Inside zone and Duo might dominate the play calls, according to JoRo, we shouldn’t expect a ton more stretch zone … which is important because those OC extremists tend handicap their offense with scrub personnel.Nope. You’re wrong!

[Simple Jaded]

rest - https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/he-has-a-brilliant-football-mind-inside-hc-nathaniel-hackett-s-plan-for-the-bron

Nowhere in here does Hackett call outside zone a “system”, it’s not the same thing Shanatan, Kubiak and Gibbs ran, they went full retard.

[Simple Jaded]

Nope. You’re wrong!

Hopefully I’m not, there’s absolutely nothing special about what you’ve got your heart set on.

[Simple Jaded]

Minute 17’ of the presser go and listen to it, and comeback and tell us about it, would you?1487183225986420736

Read the breakdown JoRo gave us, come back and tell us about it … would you?

[Simple Jaded]

God I hope you’re wrong, **** arrogant OC extremists.

[Simple Jaded]

Adding the outside zone into his offense takes it up another level

Everyone runs outside zone, everyone.

[Simple Jaded]

Are Bronco fans really going to let Hackett build chemistry with the team before getting impatient? It may take a year or two.

Fire Hackett!

[Simple Jaded]

Eating or sniffing?

The correct term is huffing, which is the same thing as sniffing but it’s ******* elegant.

[Nomad]

Fire Hackett!

Hmm.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

One of da’ best in my opinion!

Lol awesome stuff, even when Vic tried he failed and it came off as awkward as hell and not genuine at all. The team pretty much played like fangio personality……. After awhile they was simply playing for each other and not there coaches. The KC game was a prime example of a team getting behind there quarterback and NOT there head coach. Look at how much emotion was involved when Lock was out there battling giving it his all making play’s the team clearly fed off that and still no emotion from fangio!

[Strafen]

Everyone runs outside zone, everyone.Not the way it was run under Shanahan and Alex Gibbs, sir. The outside zone may in your mind be antiquated, but it’s still an effective scheme if you have the right players in place. That was a big part of Shanahan game plans that produced “overachiever” running backs run for over a1000 yards every year at that time, and later produced, the last back in the NFL to run for 2,000 yards, and super bowl MVP Terrell Davis.
Nobody these days runs that scheme quite like that because they don’t know how to build an OL that is versatile enough to attack in space, and I see somebody like Meinerz really bossing in this system...
Take it for what is worth and make it like you like it, but I’m a bit old fashion football fan, and this scheme, and let’s call it scheme so people won’t get too confused, wears that living shit out of defenses...

[Simple Jaded]

Not the way it was run under Shanahan and Alex Gibbs, sir. The outside zone may in your mind be antiquated, but it’s still an effective scheme if you have the right players in place. That was a big part of Shanahan game plans that produced “overachiever” running backs run for over a1000 yards every year at that time, and later produced, the last back in the NFL to run for 2,000 yards, and super bowl MVP Terrell Davis.
Nobody these days runs that scheme quite like that because they don’t know how to build an OL that is versatile enough to attack in space, and I see somebody like Meinerz really bossing in this system...
Take it for what is worth and make it like you like it, but I’m a bit old fashion football fan, and this scheme, and let’s call it scheme so people won’t get too confused, wears that living shit out of defenses...
This is my point, hopefully this is gone forever.

Btw, Hackett has never run outside zone like Shanatan,Kubiak and Gibbs, neither has Shanatan Jr … of LeFluer.

[Simple Jaded]

Naming a system “outside zone” is like naming a system “Spider 2 Y Banana”, neither are an entire system.

We went through this when they hired Kubiak, except he actually thinks it’s a system.

[Strafen]

Naming a system “outside zone” is like naming a system “Spider 2 Y Banana”, neither are an entire system.

We went through this when they hired Kubiak, except he actually thinks it’s a system.
Man, you love to split hairs don't ya’?
What is it then?
The west coast offense is a system, and the outside zone is a component of it, and a huge component I may add, it’s basically what sets up the offense, it makes the system work, without it, you can’t call it west coast offense. Have another shot, pal!

[Mozzafiato]

A lot of good stuff on wide zone in this article.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2022/1/26/22902126/kyle-shanahan-sean-mcvay-five-years-evolution

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
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1h
Tipster: Paton finally made his way to Shanahan’s last night w/Hackett and search committee to celebrate new coach hire. In midst of dinner, Hackett was introduced to Mike Shanahan himself. Chatted about what it’s like to be Broncos HC and Dad Hackett/Shanny offense. #9sports

[Denver Native (Carol)]

CENTENNIAL, Colo. (CBS4)– It might be the atmosphere or the heavy-handed pours, but a Centennial Mexican restaurant has become a staple for the Denver Broncos.

“We’ve had John Elway, Peyton Manning. We’ve had Von Miller, K.J. Hamler, Christian McCaffrey,” said Luis Ramirez, a co-own of Los Dos Potrillos. “The McCaffreys are big fans of us as well.”

On Monday, the family-owned restaurant, Los Dos Potrillos became a part of Broncos history, when George Paton, the general manager of the team decided to take the prospective new head coach Nathaniel Hackett to the restaurant to close up on the deal. They sat at booth F9.

“We got to have a great meal at Los Dos Potrillos, which really kind of sealed the deal,” said Paton in a press conference on Friday, as they officially presented Hackett as the new head coach of the team.

rest - https://denver.cbslocal.com/2022/01/28/los-dos-potrillos-nathaniel-hackett-denver-broncos-centennial-restaurant/

[Mozzafiato]

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[Arkie]

Someone please explain why we hate/love this man, wether he has any affiliation with Myrtle Beach, if he loves tomatoes and has he ever taken ambien and dropped a deuce in the basement?

I don't get all the jokes here, but the Myrtle Beach thing originated on the Orange Mane, right?

[Mozzafiato]

I don't get all the jokes here, but the Myrtle Beach thing originated on the Orange Mane, right?

Yup, the Myrtle Beach and Ambien references were both Orange Mane legends.

[R8R H8R]

Yup, the Myrtle Beach and Ambien references were both Orange Mane legends.

As was Meth Alley, and others. Wish they were all archived somewhere, but oh well.

[Strafen]

1487468263303008257Haha! What a joke! By PFF charting?!
Dude don’t know football
Neither Williams or Gordon ran for a 1000-yard run. Williams only had 2 100-yard games and Gordon 3
Shurmur’s offense was the most pathetic boring offense I’ve ever seen in the NFL

[King87]

PFF is literally used by analysts in the media ranging from local sports media to former players.

It is also an asset or tool that each NFL franchise subscribes to.

PFF is imperfect, but it is a far better indicator than a lot of the 'analysis' that goes on amongst fans.

[King87]

Haha! What a joke! By PFF charting?!
Dude don’t know football
Neither Williams or Gordon ran for a 1000-yard run. Williams only had 2 100-yard games and Gordon 3
Shurmur’s offense was the most pathetic boring offense I’ve ever seen in the NFL

Why would PFF not be able to chart which runs were outside zone runs?

It is a fallacy to just dismiss data from a place that you dislike.

[Strafen]

Mike Klis
@mikeklis
·
1h
Tipster: Paton finally made his way to Shanahan’s last night w/Hackett and search committee to celebrate new coach hire. In midst of dinner, Hackett was introduced to Mike Shanahan himself. Chatted about what it’s like to be Broncos HC and Dad Hackett/Shanny offense. #9sports
Bill Walsh was the father of the west coast offense and Shanahan was one of his best students per-se

[King87]

Bill Walsh was the father of the west coast offense and Shanahan was one of his best students per-se

Paul Brown was the father of the west coast offense.

[Strafen]

Why would PFF not be able to chart which runs were outside zone runs?

It is a fallacy to just dismiss data from a place that you dislike.

Why don’t you just STHU
where did I say I dislike PFF?
Shurmur’s offense is far from anything resembling a west coast offense. Did you see that at all?
People like to post tweets from guys on the internet as if having a Twitter account makes you an expert

[NightTrainLayne]

We didn't have running backs breaking 1,000 yards the last few years, so clearly we weren't running any outside zone!

Everyone who googles "outside zone" knows that it's the key to 1,000+ yard RBs.

[Mozzafiato]

PFF is literally used by analysts in the media ranging from local sports media to former players.

It is also an asset or tool that each NFL franchise subscribes to.

PFF is imperfect, but it is a far better indicator than a lot of the 'analysis' that goes on amongst fans.

Strafen knows more about football than PFF. Everyone knows that!

[King87]

Why don’t you just STHU
where did I say I dislike PFF?
Shurmur’s offense is far from anything resembling a west coast offense. Did you see that at all?
People like to post tweets from guys on the internet as if having a Twitter account makes you an expert

Why do you get so upset when someone disagrees with you? Why don't you relax?

You said, and I quote "Haha! What a joke! By PFF charting?!" If your message isn't one that is derisive of PFF then you should probably use different words. That's not on me; that's literally your lack of clarity.

If you want to debate that Shurmur runs a WCO, I have bad news for you: he does. https://thegamehaus.com/nfl/a-breakdown-of-pat-shurmurs-broncos-offense/2020/06/28/

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/five-revelations-from-pat-shurmurs-introductory-denver-broncos-presser

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/301292/pat-shurmur-has-unleashed-his-minnesota-offense-with-giants

Does he run a pure WCO from the Walsh, or Paul Brown days? No. No one does. No one runs an old school scheme that is unchanged, or modified. For the most obvious of reasons.