Broncos Trading Von Miller to Rams

[BroncoNut]

YOU can't articulate!!!!!
Just kidding you are very orally skilled and Ive always appreciated that. I also find myself reading more than posting.

[BroncoNut]

YOU can't articulate!!!!!

But that's because I dont know what I'm talking about most of the time (in the football forum). You actually do

[Mozzafiato]

I think he’s overstating it a bit, but this trade is definitely more questionable from the Rams’ perspective than from the Broncos’.

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[BroncoWave]

Given how screwed they are already going to be after this year, it's not like it makes much of a difference adding this onto the pile. If you're gonna go all in, go all in.

[Hawgdriver]

I don't know if anyone really puts the little ********** in his place. he's resilient as hell. I love calling him out ( not like it's hard to do), but dont' expect him to change. how does the saying go? a tiger never loses its stripes. in Broncowave's instance we might say a tabbly kitty kat never loses its stripes because I don't think they do either.

Do tabby cats have stripes? Like a tiger, I mean. On their skin as well as fur.

[Strafen]

I think he’s overstating it a bit, but this trade is definitely more questionable from the Rams’ perspective than from the Broncos’.

1455562911917744131Wow!
To refer to Von as a declining 32y/o hurts my feelings. I must say...
The Rams are getting ready for the final stretch, if there’s something we’ve as Broncos fans learned this season, is that injuries can decimate even the strongest part of your roster. Adding Von is more than just adding depth and strength, is adding security. Von has a couple of good years left in his m, and he’s going to a team whose defensive scheme he’s very familiar with...
Go Rams!

[dogfish]

I’m actually going to be more upset if we do nothing else other than trade Von and just keep chugging with the team we have. If Paton knows in his heart there isn’t a chance to really do much so much so that he trades the one true Bronco great on the roster then he needs to push his cards into the table and fold season properly. Fire the coaching staff (why wait?), trade away all the players not determined to be not in the future plans, and start the ones that are to gain experience. Right now, we don’t really have a choice at the LB spots with injury, but most other spots can go.

this is where i'm at. . . if you're going down this road, don't half-ass it. . . i want to see george make it MFin' rain!



I just don't know how any reasonable person could bash this move by Paton. It's a win all the way around.


key word being "reasonable"-- you can't reason with a bunch of entitled Karens. . .

[dogfish]

Do tabby cats have stripes? Like a tiger, I mean. On their skin as well as fur.

this is why we have hawg-- to ask the hard-hitting questions!

[Mozzafiato]

Wow!
To refer to Von as a declining 32y/o hurts my feelings. I must say...
The Rams are getting ready for the final stretch, if there’s something we’ve as Broncos fans learned this season, is that injuries can decimate even the strongest part of your roster. Adding Von is more than just adding depth and strength, is adding security. Von has a couple of good years left in his m, and he’s going to a team whose defensive scheme he’s very familiar with...
Go Rams!

He’s a FA after the season though. Will he be in a Rams uniform next year?

[BroncoWave]

this is where i'm at. . . if you're going down this road, don't half-ass it. . . i want to see george make it MFin' rain!





key word being "reasonable"-- you can't reason with a bunch of entitled Karens. . .

I still don't necessarily think it matters that much in the long run if we fire Fagio now or after the season. I think the only real advantage to doing it now is if there is someone internally they are considering and they could give him a trial run. But if they are going to go external regardless I don't really see the issue with letting Vic coach out the string. Trading Von already showed no one is safe. I don't think it's really necessary to make that point midseason with Vic now.

[Mozzafiato]

I still don't necessarily think it matters that much in the long run if we fire Fagio now or after the season. I think the only real advantage to doing it now is if there is someone internally they are considering and they could give him a trial run. But if they are going to go external regardless I don't really see the issue with letting Vic coach out the string. Trading Von already showed no one is safe. I don't think it's really necessary to make that point midseason with Vic now.

Yeah, that and the Broncos are 4-4. Get blown out the next two weeks and then maybe it happens during the bye? But even that’s unlikely.

[dogfish]

I still don't necessarily think it matters that much in the long run if we fire Fagio now or after the season. I think the only real advantage to doing it now is if there is someone internally they are considering and they could give him a trial run. But if they are going to go external regardless I don't really see the issue with letting Vic coach out the string. Trading Von already showed no one is safe. I don't think it's really necessary to make that point midseason with Vic now.

i think he and the shurminator should both be fired on the grounds of accountability, but i was mostly talking about trading additional vets-- i'm antsy to see more action on that front, and the clock is ticking. . .

[Tangerine]

Currently the top 6 teams in available cap space are a combined 17-30 on the season.

Clearly saving cap space is a “wonderful” strategy….

[Northman]

i think he and the shurminator should both be fired on the grounds of accountability, but i was mostly talking about trading additional vets-- i'm antsy to see more action on that front, and the clock is ticking. . .

Those last 2 minutes on Sunday was ridiculous especially the pass call play. But Simmons, Williams, Teddy, and Gordon deserve some bitch slaps for lack of discipline.

[Northman]

Currently the top 6 teams in available cap space are a combined 17-30 on the season.

Clearly saving cap space is a “wonderful” strategy….

Yea, because we have been doing so well the last 5 years with less cap space. Lol

[BroncoNut]

Do tabby cats have stripes? Like a tiger, I mean. On their skin as well as fur.
Honestly dont know

[Mozzafiato]

Currently the top 6 teams in available cap space are a combined 17-30 on the season.

Clearly saving cap space is a “wonderful” strategy….

I don’t think cap space was much of a consideration in this trade.

[Tangerine]

Yea, because we have been doing so well the last 5 years with less cap space. Lol


10th - 2017
19th - 2018
14th - 2019
7th - 2020
3rd - 2021

Broncos ranking in available cap space each year going back to 2017. They’ve been in the top half of league with available cap space, each year expect 2018 (thanks to Keenum’s terrible contract). They’re a combined 27-45 during that span.

[Hawgdriver]

Honestly dont know

You seemed like maybe you would, so I asked.

[BroncoWave]

I don’t think cap space was much of a consideration in this trade.

Agreed. They could probably re-sign Von and make it work cap-wise. They just made a calculated decision that they probably weren't getting him back in free agency anyway, and they'd rather get the guaranteed return now than take that risk of losing him for nothing. Don't really think cap space factored into that decision much at all.

[Northman]

10th - 2017
19th - 2018
14th - 2019
7th - 2020
3rd - 2021




Broncos ranking in available cap space each year going back to 2017. They’ve been in the top half of league with available cap space, each year expect 2018 (thanks to Keenum’s terrible contract). They’re a combined 27-45 during that span.


Exactly my point, it doesnt matter what our cap space is and it didnt matter that Von was on the team we still had a losing record after SB 50.

[BroncoNut]

You seemed like maybe you would, so I asked.
No, It's a good question. I think kitties are born hairless/blind like rabbits. And with bunnies I could tell what their markings were day 1. I'm gonna bet that it's the same with cats. I bet bubbles would know

[Hawgdriver]

No, It's a good question. I think kitties are born hairless/blind like rabbits. And with bunnies I could tell what their markings were day 1. I'm gonna bet that it's the same with cats. I bet bubbles would know

Bubbles is good people.

[Northman]

Bubbles is good people.

Yea he is.

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[BroncoJoe]

I'm going to go shave my tabby to verify.

Not really. He'd be pissed.

[Hawgdriver]

Yea he is.

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That took an unexpected turn!

[Hawgdriver]

I'm going to go shave my tabby to verify.

Not really. He'd be pissed.

I guess tabbys don't 'get' punk. Too bad, they might like it if they gave it a try.

[Simple Jaded]

Thank you!
Somebody has to put that self entitled jackass in his place. It’s gets tiring listening to his bitching about what other posters have to say, like only his opinion is the one that matters. Egging people to leave the forum, and putting people on ignore, which he never does, tells me he is the problem...

His place is here.

[BroncoWave]

His place is here.

Yep you dbags are stuck with my petulant ass!

[Northman]

Yep you dbags are stuck with my petulant ass!

Bros before hoes!

[Simple Jaded]

I actually thought this board was handing this pretty well early in the day but boy did the whiny bitches sure come out in full force. I just hope you all follow through and are actually done with the franchise so we don't have to deal with your whiny bitchiness here anymore.

I'm at the angry stage again.

[BroncoWave]

I'm at the angry stage again.

In other news grass is green and the sky is blue.

[Simple Jaded]

In other news grass is green and the sky is blue.

And I hate you.

[Northman]

I'm at the angry stage again.

https://c.tenor.com/cUk_Bs1YSE8AAAAC/monkey-dance.gif

[BroncoJoe]

The grass is turning yellow in Colorado now....

[Simple Jaded]

And I hate you.

That rhymes.

[Jsteve01]

That was the first time I read the word "fleeced" in this thread.

I could be wrong though...

I said it. Trading a guy in an expiring deal for two day two picks and acquiring a starter at ilb for a 6th may not be fleecing but it's max value

[King87]

I like how the Rams are aggressive and all-in on a direction for the team. And while this is a big risk in a few ways, it is justifiable. I love well aimed aggression.

[King87]

His place is here.

The truth is this is the place for anyone if they want it.

Including Strafen.

[Jsteve01]

I like how the Rams are aggressive and all-in on a direction for the team. And while this is a big risk in a few ways, it is justifiable. I love well aimed aggression.

It can't be sustained though. It it is the lions or the browns or the Bengals I could see it

[Jsteve01]

I love Nut

[BroncoWave]

It can't be sustained though. It it is the lions or the browns or the Bengals I could see it

I think they fully realize it can't be sustained. Doesn't make it any less valid of a strategy. Championship windows are usually pretty short in the NFL. They are going all in to maximize theirs. I think they are fully aware of the rebuild that will have to happen on the other side.

[King87]

It can't be sustained though. It it is the lions or the browns or the Bengals I could see it
It isn’t supposed to be, IMO. I believe - this is opinion- that eventually you run out of ammo, players age, and you hit a wall. But if you’re not Baltimore Ravens/Packers front office good even a more tempered approach gets you there.

So you go ham. And you roll with it. You just gotta suck it up when it bottoms out. The cycle renews.

[Simple Jaded]

The truth is this is the place for anyone if they want it.

Including Strafen.

Barf

[King87]

Barf

You!

[BroncoNut]

Bubbles is good people.

He really is. He had a tough start in life but didnt use that as excuse to give up

[Jsteve01]

https://twitter.com/MileHighSports/status/1455599911529971714?t=gTi4M_fYjeHwtAgWA7o9gw&s=19

Doesn't sound as mutual as people are trying to make it

[NightTrainLayne]

Currently the top 6 teams in available cap space are a combined 17-30 on the season.

Clearly saving cap space is a “wonderful” strategy….


Are you suggesting that there's a correlation between payroll and success? Never would have thunk it.

[Simple Jaded]

https://twitter.com/MileHighSports/status/1455599911529971714?t=gTi4M_fYjeHwtAgWA7o9gw&s=19

Doesn't sound as mutual as people are trying to make it

Wave my fairytale is alive and thriving.

[King87]

Are you suggesting that there's a correlation between payroll and success? Never would have thunk it.

It’s why when Elway kept rolling over the cap savings I was befuddled. It never made sense, especially after low balling guys like Calais Campbell.

[Simple Jaded]

I love Nut
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

[Northman]

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[Elevation inc]

https://twitter.com/MileHighSports/status/1455599911529971714?t=gTi4M_fYjeHwtAgWA7o9gw&s=19

Doesn't sound as mutual as people are trying to make it

It wasn't this has Fangio all over it, he thinks reed and weatherly are better then von......

[Northman]

Why would Von admit to wanting out of Denver? It would kill his reputation.

[BroncoJoe]

Why would Von admit to wanting out of Denver? It would kill his reputation.

The video abruptly cut off. I'm fairly certain, knowing Von's propensity to be excited about anyone/thing, he went on to say how excited he is to be in LA.

[BroncoWave]

It wasn't this has Fangio all over it, he thinks reed and weatherly are better then von......

Y'all are coming up with overly convoluted theories on this when the actual things that have been reported paint a pretty good picture of what happened. Von was offered a restructure this summer that would have reduced his salary but extended his deal. He declined. That tells you he wasn't interested in playing in Denver for a hometown discount. 4 teams called in recent weeks about Von, this was reported yesterday. Paton probably looked at this, saw the writing on the wall that Von wasn't interested in playing at a discount, knew they weren't planning to give him a massive deal, picked the best offer, had Elway/Ellis sign off, and it was done.

It's really that simple. I don't see any scenario where they planned to keep Von and re-sign him but freaking Vic Fangio orchestrated his trade. That just doesn't make sense on any level. And just seems like pilling on your Fangio hate onto something he had nothing to do with.

[Northman]

The video abruptly cut off. I'm fairly certain, knowing Von's propensity to be excited about anyone/thing, he went on to say how excited he is to be in LA.

And as he should be, there are good things going on there this year. I just dont see any upside or advantage for him to admit that he wanted out even if it was a justified feeling. He would gain nothing by admitting he wanted out of this shitshow. Im sure he is looking at it as the team both owner wise and coach wise has fallen greatly since when he was drafted.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Tom Brady on Von Miller: 'Rams are getting one of the all-time greats'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/tom-brady-on-von-miller-rams-are-getting-one-of-the-all-time-greats/ar-AAQfhaP

[Tangerine]

Tom Brady on Von Miller: 'Rams are getting one of the all-time greats'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/tom-brady-on-von-miller-rams-are-getting-one-of-the-all-time-greats/ar-AAQfhaP

It’s ok though, Broncos got a couple late day 2 picks, cause those are the guys you can build a franchise around….

[Jsteve01]

It’s why when Elway kept rolling over the cap savings I was befuddled. It never made sense, especially after low balling guys like Calais Campbell.

John had a couple of things going against him in negotiations. He like Tom Brady and Michael Jordan took significant pay cuts during the course of his career to make sure that his team's could field championship rosters. Also signing guys like wolfe and Harris and Manning at discounts made him think he could get away with that in every negotiation.

[Mozzafiato]

It’s ok though, Broncos got a couple late day 2 picks, cause those are the guys you can build a franchise around….

You wanted the Broncos to build around a 33 year old Von Miller next year? Assuming they were even able to sign him?

[King87]

John had a couple of things going against him in negotiations. He like Tom Brady and Michael Jordan took significant pay cuts during the course of his career to make sure that his team's could field championship rosters. Also signing guys like wolfe and Harris and Manning at discounts made him think he could get away with that in every negotiation.
He lowballed a guy who got offered more money to
Play in a state with no income tax. Having already lost defensive talent…it was so weird Steve! Weird!

[Jsteve01]

Aaand Colorado is where Campbell grew up. I never had a problem with not matching the Malik Jackson money. That money was ridiculous. And it was pretty obvious that Derek was the better player if he could stay healthy. In four fewer games that year his numbers were exactly the same as malik's. Campbell was in a different stratosphere and they should have broken the bank to sign him

[Strafen]

Tom Brady on Von Miller: 'Rams are getting one of the all-time greats'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/tom-brady-on-von-miller-rams-are-getting-one-of-the-all-time-greats/ar-AAQfhaPThat’s what being a Super Bowl MVP does to you as a player; lots of respect amongst your peers
I get people are upset with trading Miller away, I can only suspect the personal conversation he had with Elway, Paton and company may have gone like this; “hey Von, we’re not going anywhere this year and it may take another 2-3 years for us to be contender. Are you willing to play out the rest of your career under that possible scenario, or do you want for a team with great potential and probably one of the favorites to not only make it to the SB, but winning it, plus we’re paying you $9 mil of your remaining contract”
I guess the answer was obvious.

[Jsteve01]

He lowballed a guy who got offered more money to
Play in a state with no income tax. Having already lost defensive talent…it was so weird Steve! Weird!

It's tough because he was never asking people to do stuff that he hadn't done in his career. That's what made it hard for me to get too mad at him. You could just see sometimes if there was this sense of do you want us to mortgage the future or do you want us to be able to build a fantastic roster. He was so practical and obviously he leveraged it into a lot of money outside of football.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Sean McVay breaks down the Von Miller trade and what he brings to the Rams

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-von-miller-trade-sean-mcvay-quotes-breakdown/

[Simple Jaded]

Aaand Colorado is where Campbell grew up. I never had a problem with not matching the Malik Jackson money. That money was ridiculous. And it was pretty obvious that Derek was the better player if he could stay healthy. In four fewer games that year his numbers were exactly the same as malik's. Campbell was in a different stratosphere and they should have broken the bank to sign him

Wolfe was not in Jackson’s class as an interior pass rusher, and Jackson knew it.

Having Jackson and Campbell at 3-4 DE would’ve made Von unblockable.

[Simple Jaded]

Remember, Jackson and Campbell both went to a 4-3 with nobody like Von to their side.

[Simple Jaded]

The only advantage to keeping Wolfe was my wife’s Von Ware Wolfe t-shirt.

Daddy like.

[aberdien]

I just can't believe Fangio came in and kinda ruined Von. What a loser!

[Nomad]

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https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2021/11/1/22758467/von-miller-wear-number-40-with-rams-elroy-hirsch

[aberdien]

Going to buy a Von limited jersey because apparently they fit better than the game jerseys which fit me like a dress.

[ShaneFalco]

teddy stans got what they wanted.

irrelevant team. core players gone. looking at draft mid season.


Good thing Drew Lock didnt start.

[ShaneFalco]

also anyone that roots for the rams, consider yourself my mortal enemy.

[BroncoWave]

also anyone that roots for the rams, consider yourself my mortal enemy.

Go Rams!

[Simple Jaded]

Going to buy a Von limited jersey because apparently they fit better than the game jerseys which fit me like a dress.

Doesn’t your wife own a sowing machine?

[Simple Jaded]

I’ve been subconsciously rooting for Rams since the Stafford trade, make room for the Jaded one.

[ShaneFalco]

Go Rams!

why?

This is what you wanted for the Broncos. You get what you wanted now but rooting for another team.

Why is that?

[King87]

why?

This is what you wanted for the Broncos. You get what you wanted now but rooting for another team.

Why is that?

Remember when you also rooted for Denver and the Rams?

Please don't tie this into some 'you didn't hate it when Teddy was named the starter so now you must rejoice that Von was traded' thing.

[ShaneFalco]

i guess thats a good way to get around how bad your ideas were for this season, just go root for another team.

[Simple Jaded]

why?

This is what you wanted for the Broncos. You get what you wanted now but rooting for another team.

Why is that?
Stafford and Von Miller, both should be Broncos right now … I can get behind them on this.

[King87]

also anyone that roots for the rams, consider yourself my mortal enemy.

The Rams moved because it was a good economic move.

Why do you hate capitalism?

[aberdien]

I just wish Wade was still a Ram.

[BroncoWave]

why?

This is what you wanted for the Broncos. You get what you wanted now but rooting for another team.

Why is that?

You have zero ****ing clue what I want, much like you have zero ****ing clue about just about anything.

[ShaneFalco]

You have zero ****ing clue what I want, much like you have zero ****ing clue about just about anything.

thats because your ideas look like this in reality.


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[King87]

i guess thats a good way to get around how bad your ideas were for this season, just go root for another team.

Oh, we're doing this now.

Falco presupposes that Von would be a Bronco if Lock started. And there it is.

Even though Lock's success was nothing close to a guarantee, and he might have flamed out and Teddy might have had to start, or all kinds of possibilities. Even though Von might have been traded anyway because of his contract situation.

[ShaneFalco]

oh its not even a question. Von would still be here if Lock had real coaches last year.

But you defended Shurmur back then too.

[Simple Jaded]

“We’re done with this losing shit”— Von Miller when asked about Drew Lock

[ShaneFalco]

People fell for a false prophet. now they rooting for the teams their core players get traded to. Sad.

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[King87]

oh its not even a question. Von would still be here if Lock had real coaches last year.

But you defended Shurmur back then too.

Your original post called us idiots, but you edited it, and I appreciate that.

But the failings of Lock cannot be reduced to 'well Shurmur sucks so Lock's absolved'. And you know that.

[BroncoWave]

Cool, Shane ruins another thread. Fun times on this board.

[King87]

“We’re done with this losing shit”— Von Miller when asked about Drew Lock

Von Miller, good at defense, bad at QB prognostication.

[Simple Jaded]

Shane is dominating y’all fools lately.

[Simple Jaded]

Von Miller, good at defense, bad at QB prognostication.

I’ll take his word over anyone towing the Teddy Bedweter company line (which also includes Von).

[Hawgdriver]

Shane is dominating y’all fools lately.

How I feel when I scroll by one of Shane's posts.

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[ShaneFalco]

Shane is dominating y’all fools lately.

i just hope we give up on the next qb Patton drafts after 18 games. Send them both packing to MN.

[King87]

Shane is dominating y’all fools lately.

"My favorite QB is Daniel Jones level bad and the team should have done something unprecedented and given a second round pick the job," isn't domination.

Draft a new QB? Sure.

Trade for someone like Stafford? Sure.

Have Lock win out a QB battle, which is more than generous given how, you know, awful he was and a mere second round pick? Sure.

But hand a guy who was literally Trevor Siemian levels of bad -bow down, Jaded, bow down- the job and then trot this nonsense out?

No.

Only in Denver do a handful of people think Lock = promising. Most national pundits, fans of other teams, literally the rest of the NFL 'universe' either think he sucks or forgot he's in the league.

But, Denver fans do love scrub QB's, so Lock has to be beloved.

I just shot you in the heart, Jaded, and I'm doing a disrespectful dance!

[King87]

I’ll take his word over anyone towing the Teddy Bedweter company line (which also includes Von).

Impeaching your own witness is always the hotness!

I'm absolutely RAMMING you right now. Hit you so hard you LAnded in Los Angeles. You shouldn't TRADE barbs with me, Jaded.

GET THESE PUNS!

muahahahhahahahaahh

[Simple Jaded]

Lol

I’d take Daniel Jones is a New York minute, he’s got every single thing you need to win SB’s.

[Simple Jaded]

Impeaching your own witness is always the hotness!

I'm absolutely RAMMING you right now. Hit you so hard you LAnded in Los Angeles. You shouldn't TRADE barbs with me, Jaded.

GET THESE PUNS!

muahahahhahahahaahh

I purposely threw that barb in to show that I’m objective and capable of limitless hotness.

[BroncoWave]

Lol

I’d take Daniel Jones is a New York minute, he’s got every single thing you need to win SB’s.

Minus the being good at playing QB part, sure!

[King87]

I purposely threw that barb in to show that I’m objective and capable of limitless hotness.

You'll be...Von in 60 seconds!

You got great value on an expiring contract.

[ShaneFalco]

"My favorite QB is Daniel Jones level bad and the team should have done something unprecedented and given a second round pick the job," isn't domination.

Draft a new QB? Sure.

Trade for someone like Stafford? Sure.

Have Lock win out a QB battle, which is more than generous given how, you know, awful he was and a mere second round pick? Sure.

But hand a guy who was literally Trevor Siemian levels of bad -bow down, Jaded, bow down- the job and then trot this nonsense out?

No.

Only in Denver do a handful of people think Lock = promising. Most national pundits, fans of other teams, literally the rest of the NFL 'universe' either think he sucks or forgot he's in the league.

But, Denver fans do love scrub QB's, so Lock has to be beloved.

I just shot you in the heart, Jaded, and I'm doing a disrespectful dance!

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[Simple Jaded]

Minus the being good at playing QB part, sure!

I keep forgetting that you don’t get out much.

See, Daniel Jones is a QB that’s proved capable of developing into a legitimate NFL franchise QB well inside of 18 games, he’s even got sweet stats and a cheesy nickname to prove it.

[King87]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F645%2 F736%2F53c.gif&f=1&nofb=1

A summary of Falco during his k-12 years. :D

[ShaneFalco]

get moneeey

[King87]

get moneeey

Thug Life!

[Mozzafiato]

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[Denver Native (Carol)]

Thank you, Von Miller

Nov 01, 2021

Von Miller's legacy in Denver will be felt forever on the field, with his amazing sacks and fun-loving personality, and in the community, where he helped children get needed vision care.
Phil Milani

https://www.denverbroncos.com/video/thank-you-von-miller

How No. 58 made time stand still: Remembering Von Miller's masterful career with the Broncos

https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/how-no-58-made-time-stand-still-remembering-von-miller-s-masterful-career-with-t

[Strafen]

Thank you, Von Miller

Nov 01, 2021

Von Miller's legacy in Denver will be felt forever on the field, with his amazing sacks and fun-loving personality, and in the community, where he helped children get needed vision care.
Phil Milani

https://www.denverbroncos.com/video/thank-you-von-miller

How No. 58 made time stand still: Remembering Von Miller's masterful career with the Broncos

https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/how-no-58-made-time-stand-still-remembering-von-miller-s-masterful-career-with-t

He did great things for kids. He’s an amazing human being...

[Mozzafiato]

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[Jsteve01]

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Some great moments

[Simple Jaded]

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Goddamn it, I’m angry again!

[Elevation inc]

Y'all are coming up with overly convoluted theories on this when the actual things that have been reported paint a pretty good picture of what happened. Von was offered a restructure this summer that would have reduced his salary but extended his deal. He declined. That tells you he wasn't interested in playing in Denver for a hometown discount. 4 teams called in recent weeks about Von, this was reported yesterday. Paton probably looked at this, saw the writing on the wall that Von wasn't interested in playing at a discount, knew they weren't planning to give him a massive deal, picked the best offer, had Elway/Ellis sign off, and it was done.

It's really that simple. I don't see any scenario where they planned to keep Von and re-sign him but freaking Vic Fangio orchestrated his trade. That just doesn't make sense on any level. And just seems like pilling on your Fangio hate onto something he had nothing to do with.

no not really Paton loves him some Fangio said it himself even now.

[BroncoJoe]

https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/1455659559217893382?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1455659559217893382%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fdenver-broncos

[Northman]

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Sexy, smart, and funny. Wonderful.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The trade of linebacker Von Miller from the Denver Broncos to the Los Angeles Rams came together during a frenzied weekend -- before Broncos general manager George Paton had a chance to tell Miller or the Broncos' coaches, players and staff and, perhaps most difficult of all, his son, Beau.

"He didn't appreciate we traded Von Miller," Paton said. "He's still not talking to me. I get it. I understand the emotion in it."

It was finalized Sunday and announced Monday.

rest - https://www.espn.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/39432/from-the-denver-broncos-to-the-l-a-rams-how-the-von-miller-trade-went-down

[BroncoWave]

Not really sure what to make of this. Pretty odd story and seems kinda douchy of Fant to make it public.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/02/noah-fant-details-von-miller-rift-broncos-teammates-trade


Von Miller was*dealt to the Rams on Monday*after a likely Hall-of-Fame career with the Broncos, but there may have been some hard feelings before Miller's departure from Denver.

Broncos tight end Noah Fant detailed a rift between Miller and some Broncos teammates in recent days in an interview with*104.3 The Fan*in Denver. Fant said Miller and teammates were engaged in a dispute regarding a Halloween party, one Miller wanted to cancel after initially collecting money from various players.

"We had dropped a couple of games and [Miller] contacted everyone in the group chat saying 'I'm thinking about canceling the party," Fant said. "Guys still wanted to have it, and it went south from there."

Between swag getting beat up by a vacuum and this, seems like that Halloween party just caused drama.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Two more articles on this

First article - Did a Halloween party and a dispute over money factor into Broncos’ decision to trade Von Miller?

From the above - "Noah Fant responds to Halloween party rumors


Broncos tight end Noah Fant confirmed key portions of the report during an appearance on “Stokley and Zach” on 104.3 The Fan:

“Honestly, this is my first time hearing about that. And it’s kind of sad that that got out of our locker room. I feel like that should be something that stays in our locker room. I guess I’ll clarify it. It was a situation where we were planning on having this Halloween party. That was the thing. And then we had dropped a couple of games.

“Von had contacted everybody in the group chat, saying, ‘Hey, I’m thinking of canceling this party. We want to win games. We have to focus on winning games.’ That was his biggest thing, being improvement-driven. Focus on winning games and things like that. So he did try to cancel it. Guys still wanted to have it."

full article - https://www.profootballnetwork.com/did-a-halloween-party-and-a-dispute-over-money-factor-into-broncos-decision-to-trade-von-miller/

Second article - Rumor Speculates Von Miller's Halloween Party Drama Played Part in Broncos Trading Him

From article -
"Clearly, the nuances of what happened at the party caused some of the players to cross swords, but any notion that the dramatic fallout fed George Paton's decision to trade Miller was completely shot down by the GM himself.

“Absolutely not. We have a great locker room. I think we have a lot of great guys in the locker room,” Paton said on Tuesday. “I’m not aware of any rift. I’m in that locker room. I walk through it, talk to a lot of players. I know Von had a party. I think guys had some fun, which is nice.”

full article - https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/rumor-speculates-von-millers-halloween-party-drama-played-part-in-broncos-trading-him/ar-AAQhGWL

[Northman]

Wasnt there a party by Von at the time of Chad's suck and blow party with the vaccum?

[Chillez]

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These memories never get old. Thanks for everything Von! :salute:

[BroncoWave]

Wasnt there a party by Von at the time of Chad's suck and blow party with the vaccum?

Yep, that was also his Halloween party.

[Timmy!]

Von's party's are lit. We are pretty lucky Von was in this era. Instead of tripping over a dog Griese probably gets mauled to death by a werewolf.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

How No. 58 made time stand still: Remembering Von Miller's masterful career with the Broncos

https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/how-no-58-made-time-stand-still-remembering-von-miller-s-masterful-career-with-t

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Philip Rivers says Von Miller will go down as one of NFL's all-time best defenders

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2017/04/01/denver-broncos-news-philip-rivers-praises-von-miller/

Tom Brady on Von Miller: 'Rams are getting one of the all-time greats'

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/02/rams-von-miller-trade-tom-brady-all-time-great/

[aberdien]

GOAT LB is between him and LT right?

[Northman]

Ray Lewis would be in there.

[Northman]

Actually there are a few that would be on a short list,

Jason Taylor
Derrick Thomas
Lawrence Taylor
Von Miller

Ray doesnt have close to as many sacks as these guys but certainly was very impactful as a leader and player. Maybe Schulacher? (spelling?)

[aberdien]

I am under the impression that LT and Von are better than all of those guys.

[Timmy!]

Actually there are a few that would be on a short list,

Jason Taylor
Derrick Thomas
Lawrence Taylor
Von Miller

Ray doesnt have close to as many sacks as these guys but certainly was very impactful as a leader and player. Maybe Schulacher? (spelling?)

Different era, but out of respect for my old man (not bears fans) I will add Singletary. Dude was a monster.

[Timmy!]

I am under the impression that LT and Von are better than all of those guys.

Imagine Von on cocaine!

[dogfish]

Imagine Von on cocaine!

:lol::lol:

[Hawgdriver]

Von > LT. No shit.

[Jsteve01]

Not really sure what to make of this. Pretty odd story and seems kinda douchy of Fant to make it public.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/02/noah-fant-details-von-miller-rift-broncos-teammates-trade



Between swag getting beat up by a vacuum and this, seems like that Halloween party just caused drama.

He got blind sighted by it and everyone's making it sound a lot worse than he did. He didn't throw von under the bus he said he was frustrated that I didn't even come out but he felt like he needed to address it after the guys on the fan hit him upside the head with it

[Jsteve01]

Von > LT. No shit.

He is a better all-around linebacker for sure people forget that he's always been at the top and run defense rankings for outside linebackers. When we were still under del Rio in the 4-3 it was so far beyond everybody else that it was sickening. Then factor in although we hate to see him in coverage how effective he could be in coverage and he's the most well-rounded linebacker I've ever seen.

[Nomad]

I would of like to have seen Von Miller play back then.

[Northman]

I am under the impression that LT and Von are better than all of those guys.

Well, sack wise LT played the longest and Thomas's life was cut short but in 10 years he racked up a lot of sacks. Maybe you are too young to remember Thomas but he was a monster on the field. Taylor was really good but i never saw him play quite that much as the others.

[Northman]

I also believe that Von took 58 because he liked Derrick Thomas growing up.

[Nomad]

Von wouldn’t have been handcuffed back then like he is today

[ShaneFalco]

imagine trading Ray Lewis for a 2nd rounder

[Northman]

Von to me is basically the same type of player that Thomas was so im not sure if his career would be that much different than it is today. Injuries have certainly hurt a lot of his stats but even if Von had played back then his career most likely would have turned out the same as Thomas's as they are built the same and both were versatile as players.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Vons first step and his ability to bend and get lower than low translates to any era of football.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

I damn near had a tear drop after von got traded just having flashbacks of him dominating in that Super Bowl man. I understand it’s good value when he might have left anyway but damn Vons the type of guy that should play his entire career a bronco. Shit sucks man the guys whole life and family is Colorado……. People forget about the human aspect when these players are just shipped off. Von has to report to LA and his family has to figure out home in Denver.

Yeah having millions makes it easier but damn. It’s going to be weird as **** not having von on the roster

[Hawgdriver]

imagine trading Ray Lewis for a 2nd rounder

Imagine ShaneFalco saying something nice.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Imagine ShaneFalco saying something nice.

Ray Lewis retired when he slowed down so it didn’t even have to get to that point, but if ray was to get traded he sure as hell wouldn’t have fetched nothing but a 3rd when he started to fall off the hill…….

I’m really not sure what folks wanted the GM to do? Von didn’t accept the extension and it was likely that he was going to walk for a contender after this year.

[King87]

Thomas is arguably the best 'pure pass rusher' at LB ever. I don't know if he was better than Von Miller at pass rushing, but he was certainly on that same level.

Thomas, however, was not nearly as proficient against the run, and worthless in coverage. He also wasn't going to be able to get sacks in the 4-3 as an OLB or DE like Von did with Fox.

Lawrence Taylor is a hard comparison to make either way. On one hand LT didn't get to rush the passer as much because of the era. On the other hand, for some of his best years LT got to go up against tight ends one-on-one. That part ****** me up because LT was essentially the reason why teams started putting tackles on full-fledged pass rushers on the edge. I'm trying to remember what documentary I saw brought this to light, might have been LT's 'A Football Life'.

[ShaneFalco]

Ray Lewis retired when he slowed down so it didn’t even have to get to that point, but if ray was to get traded he sure as hell wouldn’t have fetched nothing but a 3rd when he started to fall off the hill…….

I’m really not sure what folks wanted the GM to do? Von didn’t accept the extension and it was likely that he was going to walk for a contender after this year.
Well since you asked, i wanted the gm to fire fangio, shurmur, mcmahon.

Trade teddy, fant, chubb.

Start Lock, Alberto, look for edge rusher. Draft Mcbride next year. Promote any remaining staff to HC. Get Shanny Sr as placeholder till his son leaves SF.


But if i was the GM, Fangio or Shurmur never would been here in the first place. Lindsay would still be here and Melvin Gordon never would have been signed. Another pat shurmur guy....

I also never would have considered trading von unless his play and mentality fell completely off. Neither did.

[ShaneFalco]

Also Ravens dont win another SB without Ray, even in his old age.

[Mozzafiato]

Well since you asked, i wanted the gm to fire fangio, shurmur, mcmahon.

Trade teddy, fant, chubb.

Start Lock, Alberto, look for edge rusher. Draft Mcbride next year. Promote any remaining staff to HC. Get Shanny Sr as placeholder till his son leaves SF.


But if i was the GM, Fangio or Shurmur never would been here in the first place. Lindsay would still be here and Melvin Gordon never would have been signed. Another pat shurmur guy....

I also never would have considered trading von unless his play and mentality fell completely off. Neither did.

So much childish stupidity in one post!

You don’t fire the coaches of a 4-4 team.

Nobody wanted Teddy, Fant, and Chubb. Players don’t get traded just because.

Start Lock? I’d be fine with that, but that’s not the GM’s call.

Lindsay over Gordon? Lol!!!

Trading Von for a 2 and a 3 instead of losing him for nothing after the season? No brainer.

[ShaneFalco]

So much childish stupidity in one post!

You don’t fire the coaches of a 4-4 team.

Nobody wanted Teddy, Fant, and Chubb. Players don’t get traded just because.

Start Lock? I’d be fine with that, but that’s not the GM’s call.

Lindsay over Gordon? Lol!!!

Trading Von for a 2 and a 3 instead of losing him for nothing after the season? No brainer.

I dont know. Your response was pretty retarded in itself. Then again, you cant just link to some twitter argument when it comes to football.

4-4 is a mirage. You beat the jets jags and giants. Almost lost to the Redskins twice in the last 2 mins because you dont know how to kneel.

Why would nobody want Ted Bradywater? Nobody wanted Fant? right....

Yes it is the GMs call. The same GM that brought in Teddy to start the season. You wont start hatteburg? Fine im trading Pena. Thats a real gm.

Absolutely. Lindsay in rotation is deadly as a change of pace back.

Yea. Cant wait to see the next Cody Latimer we draft with a #2. Sacrificing HOF core players while promoting mediocrity. Thats all Denver did with this trade. If im in the lockerroom. ive been checked it out, at this point im asking for a trade.

[King87]

The Broncos beat bad teams. But bad teams exist in the NFL Schedules are based on parity.

[ShaneFalco]

Trade Teddy for another team to fill our Soda Machines in the lockerroom time.

Ellis be charging people for Gatorade.

[Mozzafiato]

I dont know. Your response was pretty retarded in itself. Then again, you cant just link to some twitter argument when it comes to football.

4-4 is a mirage. You beat the jets jags and giants. Almost lost to the Redskins twice in the last 2 mins because you dont know how to kneel.

Why would nobody want Ted Bradywater? Nobody wanted Fant? right....

Yes it is the GMs call. The same GM that brought in Teddy to start the season. You wont start hatteburg? Fine im trading Pena. Thats a real gm.

Absolutely. Lindsay in rotation is deadly as a change of pace back.

Yea. Cant wait to see the next Cody Latimer we draft with a #2. Sacrificing HOF core players while promoting mediocrity. Thats all Denver did with this trade. If im in the lockerroom. ive been checked it out, at this point im asking for a trade.

Yes, 4-4 is something of a mirage. That still doesn’t justify firing this coaching staff now, as much as I dislike them and want them gone at the end of the season.

What did you think someone would give up for TB? And why? And why would you trade Fant?

No, it isn’t the GM’s call. He’s not making coaching decisions.

And nobody who knows anything about football takes Lindsay over Gordon. Come on, Shane. This isn’t even a little bit debatable. To the extent any of your points here are.

2nd and 3rd round picks are valuable. And this is a business, the players know that. Particularly since the Broncos did right by Von.

[aberdien]

Phil hasn't done shit since he left, so getting rid of him was a good call.

[Mozzafiato]

Phil hasn't done shit since he left, so getting rid of him was a good call.

Phil was a nice story. From CU to the Broncos. He was fun to root for. He’s just not an every down NFL back, and he’s not remotely the caliber of Melvin Gordon.

[Northman]

Also Ravens dont win another SB without Ray, even in his old age.

Ray in 2012 was Peyton Manning in 2015. Both were at the end of their lines but both also had better coaching, health, and were contenders for a SB. Denver is nowhere close to that.

[ShaneFalco]

Yes, 4-4 is something of a mirage. That still doesn’t justify firing this coaching staff now, as much as I dislike them and want them gone at the end of the season.

What did you think someone would give up for TB? And why? And why would you trade Fant?

No, it isn’t the GM’s call. He’s not making coaching decisions.

And nobody who knows anything about football takes Lindsay over Gordon. Come on, Shane. This isn’t even a little bit debatable. To the extent any of your points here are.

2nd and 3rd round picks are valuable. And this is a business, the players know that. Particularly since the Broncos did right by Von.

I never wanted this coaching staff. Fangio is a defensive coordinator pretending to be Head coach. Shurmur is a has been and never was combined. Never liked the hires and the actions they have taken since last season only reaffirms to me what i thought about them. So yes i would fire them. I would have looked for a new coach last year or even this year the moment they announced teddy was starting personally. for only playing 8 games, they have hung themselves 10 fold this season. There is no reason for any of them to still be here.

Anything. I would take my soda machines being filled by another franchise for teddy at this point. Never liked Fant, not because of his talent which is great, but because of his attitude. Alberto was drafted here to play with Drew Lock, since they did @ mizzou, and it hasnt happened. I want to see the connection i saw every week at Miz. It put the hurt on some good teams. I would still look to Co St McBride in draft for another te as a good duo of TEs to have still, Alberto and Mcbride.

Than the GM is weak.

I do, but its not strictly over Gordon, it would be using Lindsay in rotation. I dont like Gordon, never have, fumbles too much. Butterfingers. He also has DUIs. Lucky he hasnt ended up like Ruggs.

Not for this team. Vons leadership worth far more to this group of people, in a leaderless locker room. It would be one thing if we had a coach that you could count on. But that just isnt reality at the moment.

[Mozzafiato]

I never wanted this coaching staff. Fangio is a defensive coordinator pretending to be Head coach. Shurmur is a has been and never was combined. Never liked the hires and the actions they have taken since last season only reaffirms to me what i thought about them.

I give you full credit for not accepting Shurmur for the word go. I talked myself into him maybe working out. I liked the idea of an experienced coach, with HC and OC experience, running the offense since Fangio is a defense guy. And I also thought he did good job in Minnesota in 2017 and has had bad QB’s most of his career. But yeah, he sucks. I’m done with him.

[ShaneFalco]

Who do you think has a better attitude about blocking....

Fant or Julius Thomas?

There is ways to negate his weakness, by putting him in slot, but we dont do it.

[Hawgdriver]

Phil was a nice story. From CU to the Broncos. He was fun to root for. He’s just not an every down NFL back, and he’s not remotely the caliber of Melvin Gordon.

Yes, he's quite a bit better.

[ShaneFalco]

Yes, he's quite a bit better.

yes individually, in a rotation of backs, no.

[ShaneFalco]

then again my idea of an individual starting rb is Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Marshall Faulk, TD.

vs rotational back combos.

None of them had fumble problems.

[Hawgdriver]

yes individually, in a rotation of backs, no.

yeah, I was being a dork, I just don't like the lil' Phil diss. He still has no NFL fumbles and was not used well in the outlet game. Dude should have been schemed to be in space on the reg, can't believe how he was miscast. His Achilles was pass pro, and that's a legit beef. Just hard to quantify.

[ShaneFalco]

yeah, I was being a dork, I just don't like the lil' Phil diss. He still has no NFL fumbles and was not used well in the outlet game. Dude should have been schemed to be in space on the reg, can't believe how he was miscast. His Achilles was pass pro, and that's a legit beef. Just hard to quantify.

agree, he a guy you throw in there to hit a homerun, or give your offense some fire and heart.

nothing more.

[aberdien]

I'm just talking shit before bed, I like Phil and miss his agility and passion.

[Hawgdriver]

Phil is a damned good player. He was part of the solution, he wasn't the problem. For example, in 2018, the Broncos were 6-10. In games where Phil had more than 10 touches, they were 6-6. He was super productive in 2019, too, when given volume touches. In 2020, he only had two games of 15 or more carries, both wins. In the games where he had 10 or less touches? 1-5.

This one is just a weird riddle for me, and a reason I think Shurmur is too inflexible to be a solution at OC.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Well since you asked, i wanted the gm to fire fangio, shurmur, mcmahon.

Trade teddy, fant, chubb.

Start Lock, Alberto, look for edge rusher. Draft Mcbride next year. Promote any remaining staff to HC. Get Shanny Sr as placeholder till his son leaves SF.


But if i was the GM, Fangio or Shurmur never would been here in the first place. Lindsay would still be here and Melvin Gordon never would have been signed. Another pat shurmur guy....

I also never would have considered trading von unless his play and mentality fell completely off. Neither did.

I agree on firing the coaches.

Trading fant? Nah can’t do it, has too much potential if he’s used correctly and I’m betting that happens next year with a new staff.


Trading chubb? Nah because he doesn’t have any value, he need to comes back this year and prove his worth.

Starting Lock is absolutely necessary if the Broncos were to create a spark and win some game’s going forward to make a run. With teddy it’s just not going to happen.

Absolutely disagree about Lindsay, he was getting washed up and he’s a one trick pony.

It was the right thing trading von to a contender this year for great value when knowing he wasn’t coming back this off season. He’s the one that didn’t take the extension so he was going to look around the league.:::::::

[Hawgdriver]

Absolutely disagree about Lindsay, he was getting washed up and he’s a one trick pony. :

That trick you are talking about is calling winning.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

agree, he a guy you throw in there to hit a homerun, or give your offense some fire and heart.

nothing more.

The only problem is he started becoming ineffective because your tipping your hand once he comes in the game because it’s GUARANTEED going to be a run play. Because he can’t pass pro and he’s not a good in the passing game.

[King87]

He is a good RB. A good RB as a weird fit--small power back--who never seemed to get a chance at pass catching. I think he had a bit of an attitude issue, and given that he's just 'good' and an expendable position player, he's relegated to the shadow realm...god dammit Houston!

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

That trick you are talking about is calling winning.

Winning what? Lindsay was a great story and had a good year but it was over for him he hit the wall of teams figuring him out and started getting nicked up.

Gordon is 5x better than Lindsay, Boone is better than Lindsay, Williams is better than Lindsay. What’s he done down in Houston where Carries should be plentiful???

[Hawgdriver]

The only problem is he started becoming ineffective because your tipping your hand once he comes in the game because it’s GUARANTEED going to be a run play. Because he can’t pass pro and he’s not a good in the passing game.

This is similar to the argument that a pass catching TE who is actually a WR needs to be a solid run blocker.

No.

Use your athletes to win.

[Hawgdriver]

Winning what? Lindsay was a great story and had a good year but it was over for him he hit the wall of teams figuring him out and started getting nicked up.

Gordon is 5x better than Lindsay, Boone is better than Lindsay, Williams is better than Lindsay. What’s he done down in Houston where Carries should be plentiful???

No one does anything in Houston except Deshaun Watson. That organization is an abyss.

[King87]

Coach to strengths; adapt systems to personnel; systems and philosophy cannot be monolithic/ static.

Unless your system is dominating ala prime years of Seattle D, LeBeau’s 3-4; Walsh’s offense.

But that’s like 1% of nfl history

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

No one does anything in Houston except Deshaun Watson. That organization is an abyss.

Nah quite a few guys have put up some great numbers in Houston lol. Lindsay didn’t because Lindsay is washed man. 130 pound running back and built small too wasn’t gone last. If only his body matched his mentality………

[Gyldenlove]

Phil is a damned good player. He was part of the solution, he wasn't the problem. For example, in 2018, the Broncos were 6-10. In games where Phil had more than 10 touches, they were 6-6. He was super productive in 2019, too, when given volume touches. In 2020, he only had two games of 15 or more carries, both wins. In the games where he had 10 or less touches? 1-5.

This one is just a weird riddle for me, and a reason I think Shurmur is too inflexible to be a solution at OC.

You are at risk of putting the horse before the cart there.

Do you win because you run the ball a lot or do you run the ball a lot because you are winning? In todays NFL it tends to be number 2, almost all coaches abandon the run when they are behind.

[BroncoNut]

Ray Lewis retired when he slowed down so it didn’t even have to get to that point, but if ray was to get traded he sure as hell wouldn’t have fetched nothing but a 3rd when he started to fall off the hill…….

I’m really not sure what folks wanted the GM to do? Von didn’t accept the extension and it was likely that he was going to walk for a contender after this year.

People dont understand this. They freeze these players in what they saw of them in their prime. Its childish quite frankly

[BroncoJoe]

https://twitter.com/MaseDenver/status/1456052085418381313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1456052085418381313%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fdenver-broncos

[Hawgdriver]

You are at risk of putting the horse before the cart there.

Do you win because you run the ball a lot or do you run the ball a lot because you are winning? In todays NFL it tends to be number 2, almost all coaches abandon the run when they are behind.

Good point. There's truth to it, bit at the same time, Royce and Melvin also took his touches in many of those losses, and Shurmur didn't play him. I was curious and took a close look at his game logs to try and get a better feel.

It's a solid point tho.

[underrated29]

Yes, he's quite a bit better.

You know this is a fallacy.

[underrated29]

then again my idea of an individual starting rb is Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Marshall Faulk, TD.

vs rotational back combos.

None of them had fumble problems.

Ad had major fumble problems! Compare Gordon to AD. I think AD was worse


No one does anything in Houston except Deshaun Watson. That organization is an abyss.

Including our boy Phil. I think KJ hamler has as many yards and tds in his 3 games as Phil has all year. Im not sure Boone is better because we never see him! Just like phil should have been the Darren sproles 3rd down back for routes and screens and draws.

Aye what could have been for both Phil and Boone

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

https://twitter.com/MaseDenver/status/1456052085418381313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1456052085418381313%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fdenver-broncos

Von is absolutely correct and now he can mean what he’s saying instead of talking that Von talk about teddy giving him the feeling Peyton manning gave the Broncos lol. Which was very disrespectful to the legendary manning IMO but that’s Von overly optimistic

[dogfish]

130 pound running back and built small too wasn’t gone last. If only his body matched his mentality………

Sounds like KJ Hamler.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Sounds like KJ Hamler.

Not really. KJ is thicker he’s just short…… KJ also woulda been fine had teddy not hung him out to dry. When you look at how he got hurt it has nothing to do with being injury prone.

[Hawgdriver]

Nah quite a few guys have put up some great numbers in Houston lol. Lindsay didn’t because Lindsay is washed man. 130 pound running back and built small too wasn’t gone last. If only his body matched his mentality………

All the RBs in Houston suck this year. Check it yourself and tell me you disagree.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Ad had major fumble problems! Compare Gordon to AD. I think AD was worse



Including our boy Phil. I think KJ hamler has as many yards and tds in his 3 games as Phil has all year. Im not sure Boone is better because we never see him! Just like phil should have been the Darren sproles 3rd down back for routes and screens and draws.

Aye what could have been for both Phil and Boone

The difference between sproles and Lindsay is body type. Sproles was short but built very strong! Dude had a very muscular frame unlike Lindsay

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

All the RBs in Houston suck this year. Check it yourself and tell me you disagree.

Yes they all suck but Lindsay is supposed to be that guy right? But yet with more opportunity down in Houston he hasn’t done a damn thing, in 8 games played the dude had 105 yards lol. Clearly getting rid of him for Gordon Williams and Boone was the right call.

[underrated29]

All the RBs in Houston suck this year. Check it yourself and tell me you disagree.

They all suck. Sadly for phil and MO, 2 backs have been better than he.

Brandon cooks the WR has tryod taylor for like 2 games and willis or wilson or whatever the rookie QB throwing to him and he is still beasting. Houston sucks we all know that, but the stars still perform. Phil could NOT beat out old and busted David Johnson nor the run down 10 years in the league, I will run until I hit someone and get tackled Mark Ingram.

[underrated29]

Yes they all suck but Lindsay is supposed to be that guy right? But yet with more opportunity down in Houston he hasn’t done a damn thing, in 8 games played the dude had 105 yards lol. Clearly getting rid of him for Gordon Williams and Boone was the right call.

Yes, but clarity.


We did not get rid of him for gordon and boone. Gordon wiped the floor with Lindsey and they chose to replace Phil with Boone. The pros. The scouts. The GM. The ones in charge that get paid to make these choices.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut he doesnt fumble!

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Yes, but clarity.


We did not get rid of him for gordon and boone. Gordon wiped the floor with Lindsey and they chose to replace Phil with Boone. The pros. The scouts. The GM. The ones in charge that get paid to make these choices.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut he doesnt fumble!

Yeah pretty much at the end of the day the broncos haven’t missed Lindsay one bit.

[Northman]

Yes they all suck but Lindsay is supposed to be that guy right? But yet with more opportunity down in Houston he hasn’t done a damn thing, in 8 games played the dude had 105 yards lol. Clearly getting rid of him for Gordon Williams and Boone was the right call.

^This

Anyone still clamoring that Lindsay is better than he is just a homer for him. The guy is supposed to be a difference maker yet he is no better than your ordinary average back.

[Hawgdriver]

Yes they all suck but Lindsay is supposed to be that guy right?

Not sure your point. If you are saying he's about the same as Ingram and Johnson, ok fine.


But yet with more opportunity down in Houston...

He's had 45 looks (targets plus carries) through 8 games, about 5 or 6 a game. He's had less opportunity to be a volume back, which was the point of contention. In his limited touches he's done the same as Johnson and Ingram.


Clearly getting rid of him for Gordon Williams and Boone was the right call.

Clearly...except you forgot the part about using evidence that supports a point. So this is the equivalent of 'because I say so'.

You can't judge a player fairly on opportunities they never had. You can't say 'well Lock is a pos because look at all his non-production this year'. Maybe he's a scrub, maybe not. You can only base it on what he's actually done. Same with Lindsay in 2019, when Shurmur apparently saw Lindsay and went sideways dog ears like Lindsay was an alien artifact. Besides, it's Shurmur. Who cares?

And about that chatter, how defenses would key on Lindsay because it's going to be a run play. Is that on Lindsay or the OC's deployment of his playmaker? Why is the OC having Lindsay pass block rather than be a hot read or outlet option?

Why does no one accept that fumbles lose games, and that a RB who fumbles routinely isn't an average RB, but a dying breed that needs to be put to pasture? Guess how many fumbles Sean McVay's Darrell Henderson of the LAR has through 3 years NFL playing? Zero. Why does McVay start him over Sony Michel, who has 4 fumbles in 632 touches (this is plus ball security)?

Lindsay had always produced results when given an opportunity for volume production, and he doesn't fumble. It's baffling that he's not used better, but OCs are often rigid with their use of position players, and for this Lindsay gets less opportunity to produce.

[ShaneFalco]

melvin gordon is nothing but a mercenary.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Not sure your point. If you are saying he's about the same as Ingram and Johnson, ok fine.



He's had 45 looks (targets plus carries) through 8 games, about 5 or 6 a game. He's had less opportunity to be a volume back, which was the point of contention. In his limited touches he's done the same as Johnson and Ingram.



Clearly...except you forgot the part about using evidence that supports a point. So this is the equivalent of 'because I say so'.

You can't judge a player fairly on opportunities they never had. You can't say 'well Lock is a pos because look at all his non-production this year'. Maybe he's a scrub, maybe not. You can only base it on what he's actually done. Same with Lindsay in 2019, when Shurmur apparently saw Lindsay and went sideways dog ears like Lindsay was an alien artifact. Besides, it's Shurmur. Who cares?

And about that chatter, how defenses would key on Lindsay because it's going to be a run play. Is that on Lindsay or the OC's deployment of his playmaker? Why is the OC having Lindsay pass block rather than be a hot read or outlet option?

Why does no one accept that fumbles lose games, and that a RB who fumbles routinely isn't an average RB, but a dying breed that needs to be put to pasture? Guess how many fumbles Sean McVay's Darrell Henderson of the LAR has through 3 years NFL playing? Zero. Why does McVay start him over Sony Michel, who has 4 fumbles in 632 touches (this is plus ball security)?

Lindsay had always produced results when given an opportunity for volume production, and he doesn't fumble. It's baffling that he's not used better, but OCs are often rigid with their use of position players, and for this Lindsay gets less opportunity to produce.
Dude I don’t even get why or how your even arguing about anything……. The guys has 105 yards in the season. If he was anything remotely close to being good he’d be a stand out on a team that doesn’t have much…… but yet he can barely crack the field and has 105 yards in 8 games. Case closed this isn’t even worth my time going back and forth.

[Hawgdriver]

Dude I don’t even get why or how your even arguing about anything……. The guys has 105 yards in the season. If he was anything remotely close to being good he’d be a stand out on a team that doesn’t have much…… but yet he can barely crack the field and has 105 yards in 8 games. Case closed this isn’t even worth my time going back and forth.

Clearly all players who don't have volume numbers aren't good players. Is that your point? There's something to it, but we already know that Lindsay was a 5.5 ypc back when given volume carries, so we know he's good.

Why am I arguing with a toddler.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Clearly all players who don't have volume numbers aren't good players. Is that your point? There's something to it, but we already know that Lindsay was a 5.5 ypc back when given volume carries, so we know he's good.

Why am I arguing with a toddler.

Volume number’s? He doesn’t have numbers at all! What kind of a joke are you making yourself out to be? It’s crazy you can’t even see how foolish your making yourself look pounding the table for a guy that’s doing absolutely NOTHING ON A OFFENSE THATS BEGGING FOR ANYBODY TO STEP UP AND PERFORM.

Lindsay is trash and that’s it! Move on

[King87]

Volume number’s? He doesn’t have numbers at all! What kind of a joke are you making yourself out to be? It’s crazy you can’t even see how foolish your making yourself look pounding the table for a guy that’s doing absolutely NOTHING ON A OFFENSE THATS BEGGING FOR ANYBODY TO STEP UP AND PERFORM.

Lindsay is trash and that’s it! Move on

You have multiple seasons of good production and one season with no production. The latter is on arguably the worst team this side of Detroit in the league. The former are one and two years ago, respectively.

I am so not a Lindsay guy because I found his arrogance off-putting; moreover, coming from a running back, it was more perturbing. However, it's a bit reactionary to say "Lindsay is trash."

[King87]

Clearly all players who don't have volume numbers aren't good players. Is that your point? There's something to it, but we already know that Lindsay was a 5.5 ypc back when given volume carries, so we know he's good.

Why am I arguing with a toddler.

Remember Son Tsu.

[Hawgdriver]

Volume number’s? He doesn’t have numbers at all! What kind of a joke are you making yourself out to be? It’s crazy you can’t even see how foolish your making yourself look pounding the table for a guy that’s doing absolutely NOTHING ON A OFFENSE THATS BEGGING FOR ANYBODY TO STEP UP AND PERFORM.

Lindsay is trash and that’s it! Move on

Hey sorry, I got carried away, you're not a toddler. That was rude, and I apologize.

[Hawgdriver]

I am so not a Lindsay guy because I found his arrogance off-putting; moreover, coming from a running back, it was more perturbing. However, it's a bit reactionary to say "Lindsay is trash."

Little-man syndrome? Let's ask beef.

[King87]

Little-man syndrome? Let's ask beef.

Beef is dead. He left us.

[Hawgdriver]

Beef is dead. He left us.

He would know.

Too bad.

[King87]

He would know.

Too bad.

I miss talking hoops with the big man.

[Simple Jaded]

Lindsay is trash.

[King87]

Lindsay is trash.

Folks, this is how you know Lindsay is good at football.

[Hawgdriver]

Lindsay is trash.

Reminds me of that dude who Indy is starting tonight. Same guy, right?

[Simple Jaded]

Yes, he's quite a bit better.

Better At what

[Hawgdriver]

Better At what

Better at your mom!! :shocked:

I bet you think Dickerson is "talent". Yeah, talented at losing.

[Simple Jaded]

Better at your mom!! :shocked:

I bet you think Dickerson is "talent". Yeah, talented at losing.

Dorothy Mantooth is a saint!

[Simple Jaded]

Reminds me of that dude who Indy is starting tonight. Same guy, right?

Yeah, the guy with almost as many TD’s as incompletions. That’s a spot-on comp to a stiff that can’t even start on a dogshit team.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Yeah, the guy with almost as many TD’s as incompletions. That’s a spot-on comp to a stiff that can’t even start on a dogshit team.

Who is he talking about Wentz? Lol 3-4 Wentz?

49 year old rivers had Indy a playoff team…… Wentz has them mediocre.

[Hawgdriver]

Yeah, the guy with almost as many TD’s as incompletions. That’s a spot-on comp to a stiff that can’t even start on a dogshit team.

:mad:

[Hawgdriver]

Who is he talking about Wentz?

I'm right here, I can hear you. :wave:

Nah, Hines, the 5'9" ~190 running back.

[underrated29]

Lindsey lacks opportunities because he's just ok Hawg. Not because he's an u known like lock.

Lock has 16 games.

Lindsey has 4.5 years. Or is it 3.5 years? Or maybe its 5.5? Either way, his lack of opportunities is the same reason Cody latimer lacked opportunities. He sucks. Phil is not used correctly no doubt, but he is not comparable to our current backs in any facet.

Also, Eric Saubert does not have any fumbles. Doesnt mean he's good.

Ps. Jevonte Williams has more fumbles than Gordon this year.

[Hawgdriver]

Lindsey lacks opportunities because he's just ok Hawg. Not because he's an u known like lock.

Lock has 16 games.

Lindsey has 4.5 years. Or is it 3.5 years? Or maybe its 5.5? Either way, his lack of opportunities is the same reason Cody latimer lacked opportunities. He sucks. Phil is not used correctly no doubt, but he is not comparable to our current backs in any facet.

Also, Eric Saubert does not have any fumbles. Doesnt mean he's good.

Ps. Jevonte Williams has more fumbles than Gordon this year.

Lindsay = Latimer. Sweet. This is the BF analysis I pay for. :lol:

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

I'm right here, I can hear you. :wave:

Nah, Hines, the 5'9" ~190 running back.

Oh I didn’t see the green light by your name I thought you logged off.

I’m not sure who Hines is but he must have played well for you to mention him ehhh?

[Hawgdriver]

Oh I didn’t see the green light by your name I thought you logged off.

I’m not sure who Hines is but he must have played well for you to mention him ehhh?

lol yeah. But he didn't get volume touches so it kind of hurts my case too. Taylor put in work, Hines was a weapon. That's probably how Lindsay should be used, but he did ok with volume work too. Same kind of explosive guy who can run in the middle.

[underrated29]

Lindsay = Latimer. Sweet. This is the BF analysis I pay for. :lol:

Ha!

You known the correlation of which I speak.

[underrated29]

lol yeah. But he didn't get volume touches so it kind of hurts my case too. Taylor put in work, Hines was a weapon. That's probably how Lindsay should be used, but he did ok with volume work too. Same kind of explosive guy who can run in the middle.

Much like sproles with the saints, as I've been saying for a while.

Nymien Hines is nasty!

[Northman]

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[BroncoWave]

I don't think this will happen due to him turning down the restructure, but how funny would it be if Von came back in free agency on a discount? That trade would become the biggest swindle of all time.

[Eddiemac87]

https://img.ifunny.co/images/58d232dbdfd47b7bca7b888cb669327bb91d77ea5cb45c2f75 645d0bcf6b4c1d_1.jpg

[Hawgdriver]

Ad had major fumble problems! Compare Gordon to AD. I think AD was worse



Including our boy Phil. I think KJ hamler has as many yards and tds in his 3 games as Phil has all year. Im not sure Boone is better because we never see him! Just like phil should have been the Darren sproles 3rd down back for routes and screens and draws.

Aye what could have been for both Phil and Boone

I like how you keep it "our boy". :cool:

AP fumbled a lot but he's improved to below average. It's easy to check, look at career carries plus catches and divide by career fumbles. >130 is ideal, <80 is sketch.

We love to watch the violent, explosive, creative backs so much that it makes us forget that on the level of championships, the turnovers negate so much, if not all, of that amazing production. Ok, I've beat it to death metal... y'all get it.

[BroncoNut]

Fur

[aberdien]

I don't think this will happen due to him turning down the restructure, but how funny would it be if Von came back in free agency on a discount? That trade would become the biggest swindle of all time.

This is the only acceptable outcome!

[BroncoNut]

He was traded. Happens all the time get over it

[ShaneFalco]

bunch of rams fanbois

[BroncoWave]

bunch of rams fanbois

Go Rams!!!!!!!!!

[BroncoWave]

He was traded. Happens all the time get over it

I know right? Buncha crybabies!

[Northman]

bunch of rams fanbois

https://en.meming.world/images/en/4/41/And_I_Took_That_Personally.jpg

[King87]

Go Rams!!!!!!!!!


then again my idea of an individual starting rb is Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Marshall Faulk, TD.

vs rotational back combos.

None of them had fumble problems.

I see some Rams...

[ShaneFalco]

can we trade Teddy to the rams. They need Tom Bridgewater, to beat Tom Brady.

Then Von can feel like 18 is still with him

[King87]

can we trade Teddy to the rams. They need Tom Bridgewater, to beat Tom Brady.

Then Von can feel like 18 is still with him

You love it!

[ShaneFalco]

im just so depressed.

id rather have case keenum and vj back at this point.

[BroncoWave]

im just so depressed.

id rather have case keenum and vj back at this point.

You should support Von Miller and cheer the Rams on to a Super Bowl!

[King87]

im just so depressed.

id rather have case keenum and vj back at this point.

You were a Rams and Broncos fan.

Why not Cardinals and Broncos fan?

[ShaneFalco]

You were a Rams and Broncos fan.

Why not Cardinals and Broncos fan?

NFL cardinals way too old for me.

[King87]

NFL cardinals way too old for me.

You want a newer franchise? May I ask why?

[ShaneFalco]

You want a newer franchise? May I ask why?

yes the St Louis Redskins.

just to troll goodell

[King87]

yes the St Louis Redskins.

just to troll goodell

I meant in terms of existence, but yeah I bet you'd love if STL got a new team.

What I tried to ask--and failed at, my bad--is if you wanted to root for a newish team in general; because you said the Cardinals are too old.

[ShaneFalco]

I meant in terms of existence, but yeah I bet you'd love if STL got a new team.

What I tried to ask--and failed at, my bad--is if you wanted to root for a newish team in general; because you said the Cardinals are too old.

ah i duno, i just have no connection to them, so i never rooted for them.

when i moved to denver i knew adam gase, became a tebow fan. etc

[King87]

Hey Jaded, check out my adopted....Bronco. :D

[Simple Jaded]

Someone tell Kinger that I am currently not talking to him.

[King87]

Someone tell Kinger that I am currently not talking to him.

You disrespected Shaq! You are not Titan!

[Simple Jaded]

Shaq sits down to pee.

[King87]

Shaq sits down to pee.

He has bad knees! You monster!

[Jsteve01]

Shaq sits down to pee.

I have a confession to make. About 50% of the time I do at night. I'm getting tired of refusing to turn on the light. Refusing to sit down. And then getting to spend another five minutes cleaning up pee after I missed the bowl in the dark. Like all the sudden I'm going to get a hundred percent accuracy in my forties

[Gyldenlove]

I have a confession to make. About 50% of the time I do at night. I'm getting tired of refusing to turn on the light. Refusing to sit down. And then getting to spend another five minutes cleaning up pee after I missed the bowl in the dark. Like all the sudden I'm going to get a hundred percent accuracy in my forties

If only Pascal had formulated his wager like that. Wet floor or dry floor, that is the question.

[Simple Jaded]

I have a confession to make. About 50% of the time I do at night. I'm getting tired of refusing to turn on the light. Refusing to sit down. And then getting to spend another five minutes cleaning up pee after I missed the bowl in the dark. Like all the sudden I'm going to get a hundred percent accuracy in my forties

Dude, I’m with ya.

[Nomad]

I have a confession to make. About 50% of the time I do at night. I'm getting tired of refusing to turn on the light. Refusing to sit down. And then getting to spend another five minutes cleaning up pee after I missed the bowl in the dark. Like all the sudden I'm going to get a hundred percent accuracy in my forties

Is the water cold?