We need to talk about Dan Quinn

[Buff]

This story is six years old, but might have some relevance this offseason if/when Fangio is dismissed.


Quinn had hoped for package deal with Paton
One of the hottest coaching candidates in the current hiring cycle is Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn. One of his top choices for partnership when it comes to the construction of a roster is off the market.

According to a league source, Quinn had a strong interest in working with Vikings assistant G.M. George Paton. But Paton decided not to interview for the two current G.M. positions, with the Jets and the Bears. Instead, Paton will remain in Minnesota.

It remains to be seen whether Quinn ultimately receives an offer in the current cycle. He has been or will be interviewed by the Jets, Bears, Falcons, 49ers, and Bills.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/03/quinn-had-hoped-for-package-deal-with-paton/

Personally I'm not big on bringing in another old school defensive coach -- and wasn't impressed with Quinn's tenure in Atlanta. But it sounds like their connection runs fairly deep if Quinn was trying to sell them as a package deal... and he's gonna be on the short list of available HCs with experience this off season.

[NightTrainLayne]

This story is six years old, but might have some relevance this offseason if/when Fangio is dismissed.



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/03/quinn-had-hoped-for-package-deal-with-paton/

Personally I'm not big on bringing in another old school defensive coach -- and wasn't impressed with Quinn's tenure in Atlanta. But it sounds like their connection runs fairly deep if Quinn was trying to sell them as a package deal... and he's gonna be on the short list of available HCs with experience this off season.


I'd be more than happy to give Quinn another go. He's some bad second-half play-calling by Shanahan away from winning a Super Bowl with Atlanta.

[Mozzafiato]

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[King87]

Offense is the dominant side of the ball. He's also closer to being old than young.

[dogfish]

Terrible choice, unless he's somehow bringing Russell Wilson with him.

[Jsteve01]

I'd be more than happy to give Quinn another go. He's some bad second-half play-calling by Shanahan away from winning a Super Bowl with Atlanta.

Yeah but he's a 4 - 3 guy and the roster is not built for that alignment at all at this point. And bad play calling or not there was good play-calling and good play by one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the league to get them in the position to win

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Hell no

[slim]

I'd be more than happy to give Quinn another go. He's some bad second-half play-calling by Shanahan away from winning a Super Bowl with Atlanta.

Good grief. That team completely imploded the minute Shanny walked out the door

[dogfish]

Good grief. That team completely imploded the minute Shanny walked out the door

quinn inherited matt ryan and julio jones, and his only dominant offenses came with kyle as OC, nevermind one bad call in a critical spot. . . the one constant his whole time there was the inability to put together a championship level defense. . .


tell me again why he'd even be considered for another HC position. . .

[slim]

quinn inherited matt ryan and julio jones, and his only dominant offenses came with kyle as OC, nevermind one bad call in a critical spot. . . the one constant his whole time there was the inability to put together a championship level defense. . .


tell me again why he'd even be considered for another HC position. . .

The same reason Vic will.

#fart

[Simple Jaded]

Yeah but he's a 4 - 3 guy and the roster is not built for that alignment at all at this point. And bad play calling or not there was good play-calling and good play by one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the league to get them in the position to win

I was thinking the same thing but MO’s been pretty convincing that Quinn is no longer running a Cover-3, or even a true 4-3.

Not that MO was keen on Quinn.

[Tbolt]

I don't hate the idea of Quinn as a HC, but we desperately need to hire an Offensive mind the next time around.

[Elevation inc]

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2 of those 4 are legit. How VJ is even being considered is astounding to me. Not high on Quinn after the Fangio debacle. We need a young offensive guy at HC, and maybe convince wade to come back as DC LOl

[Tbolt]

2 of those 4 are legit. How VJ is even being considered is astounding to me. Not high on Quinn after the Fangio debacle. We need a young offensive guy at HC, and maybe convince wade to come back as DC LOl

Wade never should have been allowed to leave the building. IMO Elway didn't like how much credit Wade got for SB50 and his ego got hurt.

[MOtorboat]

2 of those 4 are legit. How VJ is even being considered is astounding to me. Not high on Quinn after the Fangio debacle. We need a young offensive guy at HC, and maybe convince wade to come back as DC LOl

Or, maybe you need a defensive guy who will hire a young, dynamic offensive mind to run the offense. I really, really love that Quinn has moved away from the Seahawks Legion of Boom cover 3 defense to fit with the times. It’s the type of coach I’d love to see try to adapt new concepts and hire innovators. Mike McCarthy needs to get praised for his work of changing both his philosophy and scheme, as well. Obviously, not on that list but part of this particular topic.

You need guys willing to be flexible, not try to be specific on which side of the ball they coach.

[MOtorboat]

Wade never should have been allowed to leave the building. IMO Elway didn't like how much credit Wade got for SB50 and his ego got hurt.

Wade leaves everywhere after two or three years. He was gone.

[Jsteve01]

Or, maybe you need a defensive guy who will hire a young, dynamic offensive mind to run the offense. I really, really love that Quinn has moved away from the Seahawks Legion of Boom cover 3 defense to fit with the times. It’s the type of coach I’d love to see try to adapt new concepts and hire innovators. Mike McCarthy needs to get praised for his work of changing both his philosophy and scheme, as well. Obviously, not on that list but part of this particular topic.

You need guys willing to be flexible, not try to be specific on which side of the ball they coach.
And said young dynamic offensive mind will be gone in a year. I agree with you in philosophy. But it's really hard to maintain continuity when you're young dynamic position coaches and coordinators are being cherry-picked every year. I am a broken record on this. But I would much prefer to have an older very good coordinator with flexibility like a Wade Phillips who always tweaked his system to fit his roster. The turnover just starts to take its toll on continuity.

I was actually talking with a buddy whose son is an all conference linebacker. They brought in a new coaching staff. Started running a veer and went from a middle-of-the-pack team to winless this year. I agree with you completely MO on the need for coaches to be adaptable an adapter system it's not only the times but also their personnel. I really feel bad for the juniors and seniors on this team because it'll probably be at least one more year of this garbage and none of their skill-position players will be recruited

[Jsteve01]

Wade leaves everywhere after two or three years. He was gone.

He didn't want to leave Denver and he was very vocal about that.

[Simple Jaded]

Or, maybe you need a defensive guy who will hire a young, dynamic offensive mind to run the offense. I really, really love that Quinn has moved away from the Seahawks Legion of Boom cover 3 defense to fit with the times. It’s the type of coach I’d love to see try to adapt new concepts and hire innovators. Mike McCarthy needs to get praised for his work of changing both his philosophy and scheme, as well. Obviously, not on that list but part of this particular topic.

You need guys willing to be flexible, not try to be specific on which side of the ball they coach.
Which brings us to Kellen Moore as a HC candidate.

[King87]

Which brings us to Kellen Moore as a HC candidate.

McCarthy is a puppet along for the ride. Moore is bae.

[BroncoWave]

Which brings us to Kellen Moore as a HC candidate.

Works for me. Let's do it! Maybe he gets Dak here eventually, too!

[dogfish]

Or, maybe you need a defensive guy who will hire a young, dynamic offensive mind to run the offense. I really, really love that Quinn has moved away from the Seahawks Legion of Boom cover 3 defense to fit with the times. It’s the type of coach I’d love to see try to adapt new concepts and hire innovators. Mike McCarthy needs to get praised for his work of changing both his philosophy and scheme, as well. Obviously, not on that list but part of this particular topic.

You need guys willing to be flexible, not try to be specific on which side of the ball they coach.

i love you, and wish you'd post more, but just no. . . ain't no way you're ever convincing me that quinn is a good hire, unless we know up front that we're getting rogers or rus. . . otherwise, not just no, but hell no. . . as steve says, any good OC you brought in would just get hired away in a year or two. . . besides, who are you even looking at for the position? there aren't any good vet OCs available, you're basically stuck pilfering somebody's QB coach or passing game coordinator, and hoping for the best. . . i got no interest in watching another scangarello stumble around. . .

nope. . . the need is too dire-- this team is never going to turn things around without making a very significant improvement on the offensive side of the ball-- as far as i'm concerned, it's just plain too critical to trust to a subordinate. . . it needs to be not just our top priority, but priorities number two and three as well. . . honestly, if we end up with some dan quinn / mike mularkey kind of bullshit, i may have to give up being a football fan. . . i'm not sure i can watch two more seasons of utter, hopeless futility. . . i need them to make a honest effort to fix the f***in' offense this time around-- no more scrub coordinators and garbage journeymen QBs. . . even if they have to punt on the draft for one more year due to the lack of talent in this QB class, at least give me a smart HC who can install a modern offensive scheme, and not leave it to some completely wet behind the ears position or quality control coach. . . outside of mcdermott, is there a single defensive coach who's been hired in the last decade who's having any success? wait, i forgot vrabel-- that's two, and staley is promising. . . still not great odds, at all. . .

[King87]

The great coaches don't require coordinators to be around long. Belicheat comes to mind. Reid comes to mind. Walsh comes to mind. ETC. Not saying the continuity doesn't matter, but a few coaches have left McVay -the actual best coach in the NFL, IMO- and it hasn't slowed him down. If Quinn isn't great, don't hire him.

[Jsteve01]

i love you, and wish you'd post more, but just no. . . ain't no way you're ever convincing me that quinn is a good hire, unless we know up front that we're getting rogers or rus. . . otherwise, not just no, but hell no. . . as steve says, any good OC you brought in would just get hired away in a year or two. . . besides, who are you even looking at for the position? there aren't any good vet OCs available, you're basically stuck pilfering somebody's QB coach or passing game coordinator, and hoping for the best. . . i got no interest in watching another scangarello stumble around. . .

nope. . . the need is too dire-- this team is never going to turn things around without making a very significant improvement on the offensive side of the ball-- as far as i'm concerned, it's just plain too critical to trust to a subordinate. . . it needs to be not just our top priority, but priorities number two and three as well. . . honestly, if we end up with some dan quinn / mike mularkey kind of bullshit, i may have to give up being a football fan. . . i'm not sure i can watch two more seasons of utter, hopeless futility. . . i need them to make a honest effort to fix the f***in' offense this time around-- no more scrub coordinators and garbage journeymen QBs. . . even if they have to punt on the draft for one more year due to the lack of talent in this QB class, at least give me a smart HC who can install a modern offensive scheme, and not leave it to some completely wet behind the ears position or quality control coach. . . outside of mcdermott, is there a single defensive coach who's been hired in the last decade who's having any success? wait, i forgot vrabel-- that's two, and staley is promising. . . still not great odds, at all. . .

And let's not forget that Staley and vrabel spent time with two of the best young offensive minds in the game and I'm sure that influences their decisions as coaches. Plus Mike had the perfect storm with a throwback true Bell cow running back and quarterback that run that system to perfection

[King87]

I do give Mike V credit for valuing WR's and not treating them like an afterthought. He has an older school approach but he's not a dinosaur.

[Jsteve01]

The great coaches don't require coordinators to be around long. Belicheat comes to mind. Reid comes to mind. Walsh comes to mind. ETC. Not saying the continuity doesn't matter, but a few coaches have left McVay -the actual best coach in the NFL, IMO- and it hasn't slowed him down. If Quinn isn't great, don't hire him.

Payton seems to be in that vein as well. That said you're talking about three or four names. And Walsh obviously isn't even in this generation of coaches. Andy to be honest had a perfect storm. He has one of the few quarterbacks in the history of the league that could overcome all their deficiencies on the other side of the ball.

Mcvay actually although one of the best coaches in the game has suffered from a lack of continuity. They've been to one super bowl which they lost and then bled coordinators since then.

[King87]

Payton seems to be in that vein as well. That said you're talking about three or four names. And Walsh obviously isn't even in this generation of coaches. Andy to be honest had a perfect storm. He has one of the few quarterbacks in the history of the league that could overcome all their deficiencies on the other side of the ball.

Mcvay actually although one of the best coaches in the game has suffered from a lack of continuity. They've been to one super bowl which they lost and then bled coordinators since then.

I don't think that's why they didn't make it back to the SB. Last year they had a really, really, really potent defense and an offense that was middling. It was because Goff kept regressing, unfortunately.

What I'm trying to get it isn't that you're wrong; it's just that it's not a fatal flaw. If for no other reason than everyone with strong coaching goes through it, and the teams without good coaching aren't of consequence.

I don't view our vantage points as incongruent.

[Buff]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1480619295877042183

[dogfish]

at least we're already familiar with having the worst offense in the division, and finishing last. . . won't need anyone to show us around. . .


#FML
#MiseryPorn
#20PPG

[Mozzafiato]

If I were a betting man I'd bet on Quinn getting the job. I just hope that if he does he brings along top notch coordinators, particularly on offense.

[Slick]

Really don’t want another older DC for a head coach. This would bum me out.

[NightTrainLayne]

Really don’t want another older DC for a head coach. This would bum me out.


Older? He's 51!

He's a Gen x'r too!

[Simple Jaded]

Fun fact; Broncos have never won a SB with a stodgy old Defensive HC.

[King87]

Older? He's 51!

He's a Gen x'r too!

If you're over 45, you're old. If you're over 55, you're really old. 60 is ancient. We're bringing retirement back, bb!

[chazoe60]

Fun fact; Broncos have never won a SB with a stodgy old Defensive HC.

If we're going by who we've won a SB with then I guess we should hire Klint Kubiak as HC.

[Simple Jaded]

If we're going by who we've won a SB with then I guess we should hire Klint Kubiak as HC.

I think I’d like that better than Quinn, it’s time to move on. Naw I mean?

[LawDog]

If you're over 45, you're old. If you're over 55, you're really old. 60 is ancient. We're bringing retirement back, bb!

Eff U

[Strafen]

Quinn’s name is sure been named quite often this season. I’m old fashion when it comes to hiring a head coach. I want offensive minded with a track record of winning and developing quarterbacks. Doug Pederson and Jim Caldwell fit that criteria...

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Fun fact; Broncos have never won a SB with a stodgy old Defensive HC.

Funner Fact: the Broncos have never won a Super Bowl without a first ballot HOF QB, either.

[aberdien]

He couldn't do anything with a true elite QBOTF. What makes Paton think he can do anything with a team that has no QBOTF?

[Arkie]

Funner Fact: the Broncos have never won a Super Bowl without a first ballot HOF QB, either.

What was the longest pass through the air by Manning during that playoff run? I think Denver won with a huge physical handicap at QB that year.

[Helios]

I don't really care who the coach is - except he's the guy we'll all blame when the team still sucks without a true QB.

Go get a real QB - everything else is meaningless until that happens.

[Arkie]

Dan Quinn is younger than all the other coaches we're talking about. Why is he the only one people are complaining is too old?

[King87]

Dan Quinn is younger than all the other coaches we're talking about. Why is he the only one people are complaining is too old?

because he looks like a corpse and DC's are old at heart!

[Buff]

Dan Quinn is younger than all the other coaches we're talking about. Why is he the only one people are complaining is too old?

He is younger than one of the seven candidates.

Dan Quinn - 51
Jerod Mayo - 35
Jonathan Gannon - 39
Eric Bieniemy - 52
Kevin O'Connell - 36
Nathaniel Hackett - 42
Kellen Moore - 33

[aberdien]

The only 50+ year old I want is Pederson.

[King87]

The only 50+ year old I want is Pederson.

And Halle Berry.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Considering the broncos have reached out to like 7 candidates why is Dan Quinn the only talk?

[King87]

Considering the broncos have reached out to like 7 candidates why is Dan Quinn the only talk?

Pessimism

[OrangeHoof]

Funner Fact: the Broncos have never won a Super Bowl without a first ballot HOF QB, either.

Funnier fact: Only once have the Broncos lost a Super Bowl without a first-ballot HOF QB (Morton, SB XII).

[OrangeHoof]

I sure like Brian Flores, now that he's available. I hope the Broncos bring him in.

[Mozzafiato]

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[aberdien]

If Shanny Jr thinks so highly of him then let him be the HC of the 49ers and he can come here instead...

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Means nothing coming from Kyle honestly

[dogfish]

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then why did you let jerruh hire him?

[Elevation inc]

At this point as long as its not a coach with a fixation for below avg shitty ass QB's I will survive.

[Mozzafiato]

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[Helios]

If we're going to hire another defensive mediocre heach coach in Dan Quinn who barely hovered over .500 with Matt Ryan in his prime then why not just stick with Fangio??

[Mozzafiato]

If we're going to hire another defensive mediocre heach coach in Dan Quinn who barely hovered over .500 with Matt Ryan in his prime then why not just stick with Fangio??

I understand that way of looking at it, and I'm not advocating for Quinn, but I think there's a lot more to consider than that. What's his philosophy, how was his leadership and game management, how would he attempt to fix what's broken, who would he bring in as coordinators, etc. And this goes for all of the candidates.

[Traveler]

Fun fact; Broncos have never won a SB with a stodgy old Defensive HC.

Or a QB drafted by them. That’s their formula until proven otherwise.

[Traveler]

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Kyle just wants him out of the NFC.

[Strafen]

Doug Pederson, Hackett should be our main targets

[Helios]

I understand that way of looking at it, and I'm not advocating for Quinn, but I think there's a lot more to consider than that. What's his philosophy, how was his leadership and game management, how would he attempt to fix what's broken, who would he bring in as coordinators, etc. And this goes for all of the candidates.

The answer to all of the above is get a real QB.

Nothing Quinn, Fangio or most of these coaches on list makes me believe that. The head coach isn't going to fix jack sh*t.

It's the GM's job to get a QB.

[Mozzafiato]

Doug Pederson, Hackett should be our main targets

As I said in the other thread, Pederson is apparently not a target.

[Slick]

The answer to all of the above is get a real QB.

Nothing Quinn, Fangio or most of these coaches on list makes me believe that. The head coach isn't going to fix jack sh*t.

It's the GM's job to get a QB.

Pretty much. That’s the real problem Paton has to solve.

[Strafen]

As I said in the other thread, Pederson is apparently not a target.
Who you think we’re going after?

[Strafen]

The answer to all of the above is get a real QB.

Nothing Quinn, Fangio or most of these coaches on list makes me believe that. The head coach isn't going to fix jack sh*t.

It's the GM's job to get a QB.He has to bring the right quarterback for the system. Fangio fired Scangarello, the got him Bridgewater, hand picked Pat Shurmur and that moved right there is what got him fired

[Mozzafiato]

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[Strafen]

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They can have him. I’ve got enough of defensive minded head coaches. We need offense, we need to move the ball and to score points
Now if we miss out on Hackett and Dan Quinn is the guy, so be it, but I’d much rather have Hackett

[Mozzafiato]

They can have him. I’ve got enough of defensive minded head coaches. We need offense, we need to move the ball and to score points
Now if we miss out on Hackett and Dan Quinn is the guy, so be it, but I’d much rather have Hackett

While I also prefer Hackett, you do realize that Quinn would have an offensive coordinator and staff, right?

[Strafen]

While I also prefer Hackett, you do realize that Quinn would have an offensive coordinator and staff, right?And who would that be, Jason Garrett?

[Nomad]

Who you think we’re going after?

My gut tells me Broncos#1 choice is Quinn.

[Strafen]

My gut tells me Broncos#1 choice is Quinn.

Yeah. It’s started to look that way. Dan Quinn is also the most popular guy right now. Out of the 6 teams looking for a head coach 4 have asked interviews with Dan Quinn.

[aberdien]

Mozz needs to hop off D Quinn's D!

[Mozzafiato]

Mozz needs to hop off D Quinn's D!

Quinn isn't, and never has been, my top choice. Hackett is my guy, I was perhaps the first person to bring him up on this forum several weeks ago. Pederson was my second choice but he's not a candidate. O'Connell is probably my #3.

[Simple Jaded]

Conflicting reports saying Pederson will interview.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of these candidates drop out, Quinn seems to be a foregone conclusion.

[Nomad]

I could see Pederson going to the Giants.

[Strafen]

Conflicting reports saying Pederson will interview.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of these candidates drop out, Quinn seems to be a foregone conclusion.I’m having a hard time believing a Super Bowl winning coach like Doug Pederson is not even in the mix of potential candidates. I don’t know who’s spreading that crap. Sounds unfounded rumors...

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

I’m having a hard time believing a Super Bowl winning coach like Doug Pederson is not even in the mix of potential candidates. I don’t know who’s spreading that crap. Sounds unfounded rumors...

Didn’t pederson go to war with his bosses from the gm to owner.

[Elevation inc]

Conflicting reports saying Pederson will interview.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of these candidates drop out, Quinn seems to be a foregone conclusion.

I don't think Pederson or Flores will interview. Paton is in the GM circles of both Roseman and Grier. Pederson and Flores fought hard with their GM's. I don't think either is going to be a option here. I also don't think Quinn despite being a favorite will get it either. Rumors are his preferred OC is Lynn(Unverifed though) who was fired by Campbell mid-season. That will not impress any GM.

[Elevation inc]

Didn’t pederson go to war with his bosses from the gm to owner.

Yes he did and why he probably wont be a option here, same with Flores.

[Helios]

Is it just me or all this interest in Quinn is really only because he would give us a good shot at landing Russell Wilson?

[Buff]

Is it just me or all this interest in Quinn is really only because he would give us a good shot at landing Russell Wilson?

It's just you. Quinn hasn't worked with Wilson for seven seasons. They only overlapped for three and Quinn was on the defensive side of the ball, so it's not like they were interacting everyday. There's nothing that would indicate he has any inside track with Wilson.

[Strafen]

Dan Quinn comes across to me like a little stoic and not the type of energetic and motivator a young team like the Broncos would need...

[chazoe60]

Dan Quinn comes across to me like a little stoic and not the type of energetic and motivator a young team like the Broncos would need...

I think that's not the case at all. The reputation he has from players is the exact opposite. I hear he's a very energetic players coach. His players love him.

[Nomad]

Broncos are looking for strong leadership.

[aberdien]

Is it just me or all this interest in Quinn is really only because he would give us a good shot at landing Russell Wilson?

More the illusion that Quinn would bring us RW.

[Simple Jaded]

Is it just me or all this interest in Quinn is really only because he would give us a good shot at landing Russell Wilson?

Paton and Quinn have a Bromance going, that’s where the interests begin/ends.

[Simple Jaded]

Paton set a pretty narrow definition of what he wants in his HC candidate (A dude that’ll be the grand leader of the entire Offense/Defense/ST’s operation, something his 1st timer candidates have no chance of fulfilling) and then promptly limited the field to just one qualified candidate. This is a dog and pony show, just like his QB competition this past season.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Paton set a pretty narrow definition of what he wants in his HC candidate (A dude that’ll be the grand leader of the entire Offense/Defense/ST’s operation, something his 1st timer candidates have no chance of fulfilling) and then promptly limited the field to just one qualified candidate. This is a dog and pony show, just like his QB competition this past season.

Well, I guess that depends. VJ was supposedly that guy when we hired him. The “leader of men”. Supposedly so was Vic. Turns out they were terrible HCs and should’ve just stuck with being DCs and being happy. Honestly, I just want a good offense. It doesn’t have to be elite. I don’t need the team to throw for 5000 yds and 40 TDs every year. Just be able to have a good passing game and a solid run game. Above average in both is all we really need. For the love of God, fix the offense, Paton. FIX THE OFFENSE!

[chazoe60]

Paton set a pretty narrow definition of what he wants in his HC candidate (A dude that’ll be the grand leader of the entire Offense/Defense/ST’s operation, something his 1st timer candidates have no chance of fulfilling) and then promptly limited the field to just one qualified candidate. This is a dog and pony show, just like his QB competition this past season.

You're gonna feel pretty silly when we hire Hackett, mister.

[mray]

You're gonna feel pretty silly when we hire Hackett, mister.

God, I hope we do!

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Is it just me or all this interest in Quinn is really only because he would give us a good shot at landing Russell Wilson?

You don’t hire a coach with hopes of trading for a guy on a whole other franchise. That would be dumb

[Simple Jaded]

You're gonna feel pretty silly when we hire Hackett, mister.

I wouldn’t call it silly … silly boner, maybe.

[Eddiemac87]

I still haven’t seen anything that actually links Quinn to the Broncos. It looks like draft speak to me….a rumour started with someone’s idea, leads to some “fact”

[Mozzafiato]

My guess is Quinn HC, Zimmer DC, no clue on OC. I'm going to be skeptical unless the OC is somebody who gives us some hope.

[Buff]

My guess is Quinn HC, Zimmer DC, no clue on OC. I'm going to be skeptical unless the OC is somebody who gives us some hope.

Zimmer as DC doesn't feel like a good cultural fit for Quinn. In reading about his time in Atlanta, he was big on preaching "brotherhood" -- which strikes me as the exact opposite of Zimmer, who is not the touchy/feely type and it sounds like in the end made working in Minnesota kind of miserable. I like Zimmer but I think this team needs some youthful exuberance more than it needs another crusty/dry NFL lifer. Zimmer might be a good fit to pair with a young coach, but I feel like he'd be a stifling presence here.

[King87]

Zimmer as DC doesn't feel like a good cultural fit for Quinn. In reading about his time in Atlanta, he was big on preaching "brotherhood" -- which strikes me as the exact opposite of Zimmer, who is not the touchy/feely type and it sounds like in the end made working in Minnesota kind of miserable. I like Zimmer but I think this team needs some youthful exuberance more than it needs another crusty/dry NFL lifer. Zimmer might be a good fit to pair with a young coach, but I feel like he'd be a stifling presence here.

As a DC he was a player's coach in the NFL. As a HC he was Tom Coughlin before Coughlin chilled out. I read that after his wife died Zimmer turned into a much harsher man.

[Mozzafiato]

Zimmer as DC doesn't feel like a good cultural fit for Quinn. In reading about his time in Atlanta, he was big on preaching "brotherhood" -- which strikes me as the exact opposite of Zimmer, who is not the touchy/feely type and it sounds like in the end made working in Minnesota kind of miserable. I like Zimmer but I think this team needs some youthful exuberance more than it needs another crusty/dry NFL lifer. Zimmer might be a good fit to pair with a young coach, but I feel like he'd be a stifling presence here.

I don't disagree. I'm just offering a guess on what I think might happen. Not what I want either.

[Strafen]

My guess is Quinn HC, Zimmer DC, no clue on OC. I'm going to be skeptical unless the OC is somebody who gives us some hope.

Please stop! Please stop! Lol!

[Simple Jaded]

How bout Joe Whitt Jr as DC?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Whitt_Jr.

My hope is he’d be a 3-4 guy.

[Simple Jaded]

I still haven’t seen anything that actually links Quinn to the Broncos. It looks like draft speak to me….a rumour started with someone’s idea, leads to some “fact”

Is there another candidate on the list that could legitimately be considered the CEO type HC that Paton outlined in his presser?

[Strafen]

Is there another candidate on the list that could legitimately be considered the CEO type HC that Paton outlined in his presser?

Good question!
Sadly, it’ll be Quinn given his resume. Everyone else are or will be first time head coaches, unless they killed it during the interview with a vision and a plan that will be their blueprint on how they’re going to run the team

[Simple Jaded]

My guess is Quinn HC, Zimmer DC, no clue on OC. I'm going to be skeptical unless the OC is somebody who gives us some hope.

Klint Kubiak makes a ton of sense, he’s from the tree that produced Kyle Shanatan and most likely comes highly recommended by Paton.

[Strafen]

Dan Quinn is not necessary a bad coach, even for us, I just think the fan base is ready to move away from defensive minded head coaches, is what I think the whole thing boils down to. We’ve had a grea defense this season, we were able to hold teams like San Diego and KC down in points to make it acwinnable games, but we couldn’t score just enough points to come away with victory

[King87]

Please stop! Please stop! Lol!

Don't torture Strafen!

[go_broncos143]

Dan Quinn is not necessary a bad coach, even for us, I just think the fan base is ready to move away from defensive minded head coaches, is what I think the whole thing boils down to. We’ve had a grea defense this season, we were able to hold teams like San Diego and KC down in points to make it acwinnable games, but we couldn’t score just enough points to come away with victory

Exactly.. We never had issues on defensive side. need a coach that can mold the offense like Bengals/Packers OC .

Big mistake if we go with Quinn.

[R8R H8R]

Exactly.. We never had issues on defensive side. need a coach that can mold the offense like Bengals/Packers OC .

Big mistake if we go with Quinn.

The Bengals have a possible generational QB in Burrow, and his OC doesn’t call the plays. The Packers have a sure HOF QB that was already established long before his current OC came to the team. We have neither, so they would have nothing to mold. Please stop being so myopic.

[Timmy!]

I want Hackett, with Zim as a DC. That said, I wouldn't hate Quinn with a young OC. Let's be honest, even with the 2021 QB room this offense had plenty of talent but Shurmur is a complete moron.

[R8R H8R]

I want Hackett, with Zim as a DC. That said, I wouldn't hate Quinn with a young OC. Let's be honest, even with the 2021 QB room this offense had plenty of talent but Shurmur is a complete moron.

Yep. Most overrated OC in the league. Btw, Quinn is friendly with Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDaniel; it’s possible he could pry away McDaniel as OC so he could call plays. May not happen, but it could.

[Timmy!]

Yep. Most overrated OC in the league. Btw, Quinn is friendly with Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDaniel; it’s possible he could pry away McDaniel as OC so he could call plays. May not happen, but it could.

As I said, I want Hackett, however a Quinn, McDaniel, Zim (and ST cord worth a shit) would be just fine with me. Throw in nunchucks and Kollar, I'm good.

[Hawgdriver]

Can someone who doesn't like Quinn try to sell me on Quinn?

[King87]

Can someone who doesn't like Quinn try to sell me on Quinn?

I dislike him a lot, but I'll be fair.

He is not married to a scheme. In Dallas he showed he can run both the 34 and 43 defense.

He uses talent well. Pass rushers are the most impactful defenders by far. He used Parsons that way and Parsons dominated, but also sprinkled in some variety. He gets 'value' out of his players' skills.

He turned Dallas' D around. A unit that had been a joke for quite some time played well.

He was smart enough to let Diggs gamble because no matter what, Diggs get burned as a DC. He can take the good with the bad.

He is a smart coach by all accounts.

ATL had a shit defense, but he didn't have a lot of great players on that unit. They should ahve been worse, tbh.

He's not known as a martinet, or a pushover. Good locker room balance.

But...reality has to set in:

He realized that Kyle was a better coach than him and let him run the offense, full stop.

He's a solid head coach. But there's nothing that scream greatness out of him. That's the real knock, and he's a DC. This posteason the better QB won every single round sans one. And the best team, GB, has a brilliant OC minded coach. Burrow's HC was a baby OC. And so on and so forth. It's an offensive league. And even the teams who have a defensive HC (prepare for hot take)..well...their best coach is the OC. You know that one game where the lesser QB won? It was because the HC of that team is an offensive genius. Offense is for winners.

[Mozzafiato]

He realized that Kyle was a better coach than him and let him run the offense, full stop.

I’d suggest that it’s rather standard practice for a defense background HC to let his OC run the offense.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

With the right offensive coordinator and drew lock with all the talent we have at the skill positions there’s no doubt in my mind that Lock can average 29 ppg

[bigbucks24]

I'm surprised that no one has talked about Mike McDaniel as a HC candidate.

[R8R H8R]

I was hearing a convo the other day about who really is the biggest influencer of a QB’s development, the OC or QB coach? Many times it’s the QB coach. For example, a Bills insider gave more credit for Allen’s development to his QB coach than he did Daboll. Kafka in KC is credited with the development of Cam Newton in 2015 more than Shula, and now Mahomes. Getsy isn’t necessarily developing Rodgers, but he is helping him elevate his game to some of his highest levels. Etc.

So what, you might say? McDaniel-SF, Kafka- KC, Getsy-GB, and probably a couple of other guys is where we should be looking for our next OC, regardless of who our next HC is, but particularly if it is Quinn. And preferably, get a former QB as our next QB coach so when our bright young OC gets promoted, you already have his replacement on staff.

[underrated29]

Can someone who doesn't like Quinn try to sell me on Quinn?

Here's my thoughts...

Unless they are a next level coach like Belicheck or next level shit like Fox or mcdaniels it does not matter. If they are not the ELITE coach the only thing that will matter is the QB. I am not sure Quinn is Elite, nor anyone else at this present time. So as long as they arent John Fox level bad, who cares. My 2 cents

[Mozzafiato]

I was hearing a convo the other day about who really is the biggest influencer of a QB’s development, the OC or QB coach? Many times it’s the QB coach. For example, a Bills insider gave more credit for Allen’s development to his QB coach than he did Daboll. Kafka in KC is credited with the development of Cam Newton in 2015 more than Shula, and now Mahomes. Getsy isn’t necessarily developing Rodgers, but he is helping him elevate his game to some of his highest levels. Etc.

So what, you might say? McDaniel-SF, Kafka- KC, Getsy-GB, and probably a couple of other guys is where we should be looking for our next OC, regardless of who our next HC is, but particularly if it is Quinn. And preferably, get a former QB as our next QB coach so when our bright young OC gets promoted, you already have his replacement on staff.

Good post. And yeah, Kafka is a guy whose name I was hoping would come up in the Broncos search but so far hasn’t. And this is a reason Getsy intrigues me and I wonder if he isn’t a real OC possibility for Denver.

[Northman]

Can someone who doesn't like Quinn try to sell me on Quinn?

I cant and ill call it now if we hire Quinn it will be more of the same that we have had the last 6 years.

[Buff]

Can someone who doesn't like Quinn try to sell me on Quinn?

The reasons for optimism if we hire him are that he's been to two Super Bowls in the last decade with two different defenses, he will likely be able to assemble a pretty good staff given his reputation and connections -- and he apparently comes with a good relationship with Paton to start.

I still have my reservations given the needs on offense -- but if we weren't just coming off of Vic & VJ and instead had some young offensive coach flame out due to having no competent QBs, this move might seem more appealing. I'm not sure if our angst around getting an offensive-minded coach is really commiserate with the impact they can have -- in reality it's going to come down to the QB.

And all of that said, I'd still prefer to let the pendulum swing back to the offensive side with this hire, I think it needs more love and continuity.

[underrated29]

I cant and ill call it now if we hire Quinn it will be more of the same that we have had the last 6 years.

Disagree IF...

We get a wilson, rodgers, watson.


If not and we try to make it with one of the QBs from this draft- my only hopeful QBs are (Pickett, Willis, Strong and all will need time imo) then its going to be more of the same until the next year.

[Nomad]

Disagree IF...

We get a wilson, rodgers, watson.


If not and we try to make it with one of the QBs from this draft- my only hopeful QBs are (Pickett, Willis, Strong and all will need time imo) then its going to be more of the same until the next year.

You can almost scratch Wilson’s name unless Broncos give up the farm.

[underrated29]

You can almost scratch Wilson’s name unless Broncos give up the farm.

Give up the farm.

Whats the point of going with a cousins or Jimmy G or 2nd round pick and watching lock start over them next year- and then the year after that. ONLY to hope that the QB from the 23 class develops in time while we still have our roster together. The picks to trade up for that QB will likely cost a few (assuming we are not a top 5 pick next year (doubtful with our roster).

So if that is the case then why not cough it up for whomever.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Broncos complete interview with Cowboys DC Dan Quinn

https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/broncos-complete-interview-with-cowboys-dc-dan-quinn


'I can't say enough good things': The Athletic's Jon Machota explains why Dan Quinn could be ready for another head-coaching opportunity

https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/i-can-t-say-enough-good-things-the-athletic-s-jon-machota-explains-why-dan-quinn

[Northman]

Give up the farm.

Whats the point of going with a cousins or Jimmy G or 2nd round pick and watching lock start over them next year- and then the year after that. ONLY to hope that the QB from the 23 class develops in time while we still have our roster together. The picks to trade up for that QB will likely cost a few (assuming we are not a top 5 pick next year (doubtful with our roster).

So if that is the case then why not cough it up for whomever.


I think in any case no matter if they get one of the big 3 or another retread (Cousins) Lock wont be around anyway.

[Strafen]

You can almost scratch Wilson’s name unless Broncos give up the farm.

Not sure how much we would have to give up for those high prized quarterbacks, but in the case of Wilson he’s got good thread left to where we could recover and actually become competitive, what I don’t want is us to mortgage our future for a guy like Cousins

[Northman]

If the Vikings try to get a first rounder for Cousins they wont get it.

[underrated29]

I think in any case no matter if they get one of the big 3 or another retread (Cousins) Lock wont be around anyway.

I do not care if lock is around or not. Although if we do not get one of the big 3 and do not get cousins or meatball, lock stays.

[Northman]

I do not care if lock is around or not. Although if we do not get one of the big 3 and do not get cousins or meatball, lock stays.

Well of course, Lock would be the only real option at that point. Lol

[BroncoJoe]

Lock is under contract next year. I'd be stupid to let him go and even stupider to believe the Broncos will cut bait at this point.

No, I'm not wiling to bet on that....

[Northman]

Lock is under contract next year. I'd be stupid to let him go and even stupider to believe the Broncos will cut bait at this point.

No, I'm not wiling to bet on that....

It may have more to do with Lock than the organization itself. Im sure in any circumstance the FO doesnt mind keeping Lock on the bench. The issue will be if Lock himself will mind sitting the bench another year.

[BroncoJoe]

It may have more to do with Lock than the organization itself. Im sure in any circumstance the FO doesnt mind keeping Lock on the bench. The issue will be if Lock himself will mind sitting the bench another year.

I personally don't think he will. I don't believe we'll secure a veteran, and if we do draft someone, everyone in this class seems to be a project too.

Plus, we have what Paton said:


So does Lock, who has played an improved brand of football over the past three weeks, play into the conversation moving forward?

"No doubt. Definitely," Paton said. "How Drew did this year and kind of how he evolved, we want every candidate to have an opinion on Drew. How are you going to get the best out of Drew? Do they have knowledge of the college quarterbacks? Do you have knowledge of the free-agent quarterbacks? Who have you been around and what's your ideal quarterback? What type of philosophy are you going to run on offense? It's a big conversation when you're interviewing these guys. It can go to five to seven hours, and quarterback is obviously a very big part of the conversation."

Lost the link - sorry!

[Northman]

I personally don't think he will. I don't believe we'll secure a veteran, and if we do draft someone, everyone in this class seems to be a project too.

Plus, we have what Paton said:



Lost the link - sorry!



I have a feeling though that Paton is just not burning any bridges here because as of now Lock is all Denver has (unless they keep Bridgewater). I just do not see Denver getting guys like Carr or Cousins who have started many years in the league all of a sudden taking a back seat to Drew. And going by Drew's own statements he wants to be a starter in the NFL so i really dont see him wanting to sit another year in Denver.

[Arkie]

This seems like a weak year for QBs in the draft and free agency. I hope we find a diamond in the rough. Sometimes even the more hyped-up QB classes end up weak like the Jamarcus Russell/Brady Quinn draft.

[Strafen]

Lock is under contract next year. I'd be stupid to let him go and even stupider to believe the Broncos will cut bait at this point.

No, I'm not wiling to bet on that....Do you wanna bet? J/K
Yeah, that’s another aspect the fan base has already discounted, and that is that Lock is good as gone. He performed well, and he went as far as Shurmur’s offense allowed him to, but overall he showed some mettle. I’ll bet he will do extremely well under Hackett’s offense. That will be a match made in heaven!

[Eddiemac87]

Do you wanna bet? J/K
Yeah, that’s another aspect the fan base has already discounted, and that is that Lock is good as gone. He performed well, and he went as far as Shurmur’s offense allowed him to, but overall he showed some mettle. I’ll bet he will do extremely well under Hackett’s offense. That will be a match made in heaven!

I would like to see what he did with a decent o coordinator. I wouldn’t bet on him, but I’d be curious to see.

[Mozzafiato]

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[SmilinAssasSin27]

Do you wanna bet? J/K
Yeah, that’s another aspect the fan base has already discounted, and that is that Lock is good as gone. He performed well, and he went as far as Shurmur’s offense allowed him to, but overall he showed some mettle. I’ll bet he will do extremely well under Hackett’s offense. That will be a match made in heaven!

His future in Denver is very much in doubt. I think if we draft one early, he's gone. If we build up the squad and/or grab a vet, he may still be around since he isn't expensive

[Strafen]

His future in Denver is very much in doubt. I think if we draft one early, he's gone. If we build up the squad and/or grab a vet, he may still be around since he isn't expensiveI don’t think it will cost anything to keep him, unless it becomes a numbers game. I doubt he will stick around unless he gets a chance to yet again fight for the starting job, which by the way, Bridgewater is still with the team and his future with the Broncos is as uncertain as Lock’s

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I don’t think it will coast anything to keep him, unless it becomes a numbers game. I doubt he will stick around unless he gets a chance to yet again fight for the staring job, which by the way, Bridgewater is still with the team and his future with the Broncos is as uncertain as Lock’s

I doubt a new coach will want him around if we go with a rookie. No sense in having unnecessary drama.

Teddy is a UFA

[Strafen]

I doubt a new coach will want him around if we go with a rookie. No sense in having unnecessary drama.

Teddy is a UFAI don’t think we would start a rookie over Lock if that’s all we’d have. Most likely we’ll be carrying 3 QBs. Again, at this point I don’t even have a clear picture who our quarterbacks are going to be at the beginning of the season. I can’t even speculate, that’s how I see it right now. Too tough to call. The off-season moves and whatever happens in the draft will show a more clear picture. We’re still ways away from knowing anything. Just like getting the right coach, nailing down the quarterback situation is just as important and they go hand in hand with the future of the team going forward.

[Buff]

I'd say there is almost zero chance Drew Lock is on the roster to start next season. Paton isn't going to saddle the new coach with a lame duck QB in the final year of his contract who has been very polarizing and is unlikely to be given a realistic shot to win the starting job.

The Broncos made it clear that Lock was just a backup this year -- not a guy who they were evaluating as QBOTF. It's a silver lining that he had a non-disastrous end to the year, so his trade value is probably as high as it's been in two years. I fully expect Lock to be traded this offseason and would be very surprised by any other outcome.

[underrated29]

His future in Denver is very much in doubt. I think if we draft one early, he's gone. If we build up the squad and/or grab a vet, he may still be around since he isn't expensive

My money still says he is here unless he is part of a trade package for a QB. Been saying that for a while and I see no reason it will change. Unless we have Russ, Rodgers, Watson, he is staying. If we get a cousins or meatball he will stay. If we draft a QB (even Hackett at 3) he stays.

There is no way we go into the season with another Teddy and a rookie and ryp. Why would we sign another Teddy when we have lock already? I think people are just too quick to get rid of lock or think he can force his way out but Rodgers OR Wilson cannot.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

My money still says he is here unless he is part of a trade package for a QB. Been saying that for a while and I see no reason it will change. Unless we have Russ, Rodgers, Watson, he is staying. If we get a cousins or meatball he will stay. If we draft a QB (even Hackett at 3) he stays.

There is no way we go into the season with another Teddy and a rookie and ryp. Why would we sign another Teddy when we have lock already? I think people are just too quick to get rid of lock or think he can force his way out but Rodgers OR Wilson cannot.

Again...I just don't think if we get a rookie, his presence will be considered healthy to the organization by the powers that be. There will likely be a couple of vets better than Teddy. If we get one of them, Lock could very well stay

[aberdien]

If Paton intends on rolling into Training Camp with Drew Lock as starting QB, he's a dead man walking.

[Mozzafiato]

Abe not gonna like this but gonna post it anway!

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[Mozzafiato]

OTOH, this may cheer Abe up!

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[aberdien]

Abe not gonna like this but gonna post it anway!

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1. Kubiak did not have one of the best QBs in the league in Houston.

2. Shanny was with the trash heap Raiders.

3. Fox didn't win a SB and had a statistically amazing offense while here - he's a very good comparison with Quinn. A good coach, good guy. He'll get you to the dance but will never get the girl.

[Nomad]

Perhaps Quinn to Giants and trading to get Wilson?

[chilluminati918]

If we hire Quinn you might as well root for another team the next 2-3 years till he gets fired and we have to start all over yet again. Dude is trash just like Fangio. Not sure why the front office doesn’t realize we have only Won super bowls with Offensive minded HC’s. Just facts

[SmilinAssasSin27]

If we hire Quinn you might as well root for another team the next 2-3 years till he gets fired and we have to start all over yet again. Dude is trash just like Fangio. Not sure why the front office doesn’t realize we have only Won super bowls with Offensive minded HC’s. Just facts

Maybe because we only have 3 SBs in our entire history and we've had many failed seasons with both offensive and defensive coaches?

[slim]

A good coach is a good coach. Who gives a shit if he’s offensive minded or otherwise.

Get it together boys, it’s like kindergarten in here.

[King87]

A good coach is a good coach. Who gives a shit if he’s offensive minded or otherwise.

Get it together boys, it’s like kindergarten in here.

I think QB development and taking advantage of the rules matters.

[Strafen]

I’ve just heard of an admission by Patrick Mahomes, and that is he didn’t learn how to read defenses until his 3rd year in the NFL, and even then, he won the MVP in his second year. Food for thought...

[slim]

I think QB development and taking advantage of the rules matters.

A good HC would agree.

Maybe don’t limit yourself based on some preconceived notion?

[King87]

A good HC would agree.

Maybe don’t limit yourself based on some preconceived notion?

I would say the recent history of the league isn't a preconceived notion, but you'd just say something witty and make me feel bad about myself.

Because you don't love me, and you never have!

[Northman]

A good coach is a good coach. Who gives a shit if he’s offensive minded or otherwise.

Get it together boys, it’s like kindergarten in here.

Thats the trick, finding a good coach.

[slim]

I would say the recent history of the league isn't a preconceived notion, but you'd just say something witty and make me feel bad about myself.

Because you don't love me, and you never have!

I read your take on experience and you should feel bad for posting such nonsense.

[slim]

Thats the trick, finding a good coach.

Indeed.

You can find good coaches on both sides of the ball….to limit yourself based on their experience is silliness

[Northman]

Indeed.

You can find good coaches on both sides of the ball….to limit yourself based on their experience is silliness

I would agree i just think people are kind of tired of the HC's who have defensive backgrounds. We arent necessarily batting a 100 with our picks so far in that arena.

[slim]

I would agree i just think people are kind of tired of the HC's who have defensive backgrounds. We arent necessarily batting a 100 with our picks so far in that arena.

Of course, it hasn’t worked. But to close your mind to the idea is just silly.

I mean, 50% of the coaches in the NFL are on defense, so let’s just ignore 50% of the possibilities entirely because of labels? Good grief.

[aberdien]

My concern with Quinn is less that he's a defensive guy, and more that he's already shown himself to be an extremely average head coach.

[slim]

My concern with Quinn is less that he's a defensive guy, and more that he's already shown himself to be an extremely average head coach.

My concern with Quinn is that his hire was preordained.

Maybe he is the best option, but if he is, why such a weak list of interviewees? (Is that a word)

Of the guys on the list, I would most like to talk to Kevin O’Connell

[King87]

I read your take on experience and you should feel bad for posting such nonsense.

Every generation feels like the ones coming behind can't do the job until they actually do it.

You are a mummy, a husk of a man, and devoid of a soul. I curse you. You are now doomed.

[dogfish]

Every generation feels like the ones coming behind can't do the job until they actually do it.

You are a mummy, a husk of a man, and devoid of a soul. I curse you. You are now doomed.

yeah. . . it's always good to have slim in the house-- even if i wanted to fight him right up to the pre-ordained bit. . .

[dogfish]

Maybe he is the best option, but if he is, why such a weak list of interviewees? (Is that a word)



aside from pederson, who else would you have wanted?

[King87]

I love Slim. But he hurt me, especially by ignoring what's happening in the NFL now. Slim has betrayed me, and I'll never forgi...oh who am I kidding I'd give my McRib to Slim. I can't quit him.

[slim]

Every generation feels like the ones coming behind can't do the job until they actually do it.

You are a mummy, a husk of a man, and devoid of a soul. I curse you. You are now doomed.

I disagree.

Young folks drive innovation in a lot of ways. You are correct about that.

But integrating ideas into mainstream thought takes a different skill set. It takes an understanding of human interaction, which is something that takes experience to understand.

I know you will minimize this based on your own experience…which is kind of perfect, if you think about it.

[Mozzafiato]

aside from pederson, who else would you have wanted?

Yeah, the most noteworthy guys the Broncos aren’t considering are Pederson, Daboll, and Leftwich. And maybe Flores and DeMeco Ryans.

[King87]

I disagree.

Young folks drive innovation in a lot of ways. You are correct about that.

But integrating ideas into mainstream thought takes a different skill set. It takes an understanding of human interaction, which is something that takes experience to understand.

I know you will minimize this based on your own experience…which is kind of perfect, if you think about it.

You are in your right to disagree.

Young folks drive innovation, I agree.

However, a lot of facts dispute your assessment. If the swathe of young head coaches who were barely coordinators/if coordinators at all (McVay, Shanahan, Vrabel, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Sriacha from Philly, Taylor, and so and so forth) doesn't hammer that home, I can find a lot of other examples. How many youngsters tear it up these days in Silicon Valley and Wall Street? They're doing more than just innovation. Even in a traditional and old school field, such as law, look at the youth on the Supreme Court. Wanna talk about human interaction?

If you want to talk about interaction, how about how NFL coaches that are younger are better able to relate with their players? That literally is an accepted fact and literally contradicts your point.

And you cannot accuse any of those arguments I just made as minimalizing.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

You are in your right to disagree.

Young folks drive innovation, I agree.

However, a lot of facts dispute your assessment. If the swathe of young head coaches who were barely coordinators/if coordinators at all (McVay, Shanahan, Vrabel, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Sriacha from Philly, Taylor, and so and so forth) doesn't hammer that home, I can find a lot of other examples. How many youngsters tear it up these days in Silicon Valley and Wall Street? They're doing more than just innovation. Even in a traditional and old school field, such as law, look at the youth on the Supreme Court. Wanna talk about human interaction?

If you want to talk about interaction, how about how NFL coaches that are younger are better able to relate with their players? That literally is an accepted fact and literally contradicts your point.

And you cannot accuse any of those arguments I just made as minimalizing.

May or may not apply to this argument, but...

In my world, there is no replacement for experience. Youth and inexperience can get people hurt if not cultivated by those with time in.

[King87]

May or may not apply to this argument, but...

In my world, there is no replacement for experience. Youth and inexperience can get people hurt if not cultivated by those with time in.

People get hurt more by the reverse just as much, but we don't talk about that a lot.

Regarding the NFL, proof's in the pudding. Whether people want to admit it or not. You either have it or you don't. Just turns out that NFL GMs are finding out younger folks are much more capable than previously thought. You can't give it to anyone, not all youngsters are equal.

[slim]

You are in your right to disagree.

Young folks drive innovation, I agree.

However, a lot of facts dispute your assessment. If the swathe of young head coaches who were barely coordinators/if coordinators at all (McVay, Shanahan, Vrabel, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Sriacha from Philly, Taylor, and so and so forth) doesn't hammer that home, I can find a lot of other examples. How many youngsters tear it up these days in Silicon Valley and Wall Street? They're doing more than just innovation. Even in a traditional and old school field, such as law, look at the youth on the Supreme Court. Wanna talk about human interaction?

If you want to talk about interaction, how about how NFL coaches that are younger are better able to relate with their players? That literally is an accepted fact and literally contradicts your point.

And you cannot accuse any of those arguments I just made as minimalizing.

I agree. We should hire VJ.

The young guy is always the right guy!!

Your arguments are garbage and I’m not wasting time on them. Be better.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I've also found that the best teacher is failure. Just because some young folks show up and are innovative, doesn't mean they can't, themselves, improve due to their experiences. The important part of their evolution is how they adjust to those who catch on to their innovations. Are they a 1 trick pony? Can they adjust to adjustments?

As with every aspect of life...balance is key.

[King87]

I agree. We should hire VJ.

The young guy is always the right guy!!

Your arguments are garbage and I’m not wasting time on them. Be better.

I literally never said "hire just any young guy," but you represent that as my argument because you have no valid rebuttal. I never said the younger guy was always right, but you represent that as my argument.

Don't get pissy with me because you can't support your position.

[King87]

I've also found that the best teacher is failure. Just because some young folks show up and are innovative, doesn't mean they can't, themselves, improve due to their experiences.

As with every aspect of life...balance is key.

Who said they can't get better? That point would actually strengthen the case for hiring a younger person, all things considered.

[slim]

Every generation feels like the ones coming behind can't do the job until they actually do it.

You are a mummy, a husk of a man, and devoid of a soul. I curse you. You are now doomed.

Good grief.

This is perfect. I listen to everyone, regardless of their age. Some have good ideas, some don’t.

The difference between you and me is that I listen.

Go on and pound the table. Being loud and stubborn doesn’t make you right.

[King87]

Good grief.

This is perfect. I listen to everyone, regardless of their age. Some have good ideas, some don’t.

The difference between you and me is that I listen.

Go on and pound the table. Being loud and stubborn doesn’t make you right.

I'm sure you do. I didn't say you didn't.

You have no idea as to who I am as a person. Pretending that you do doesn't make it so. In the real world I have meaningful conversations every day with people who are and think differently than I do. Just because I argue hard and fold when someone wants me to doesn't mean I'm stubborn. Or just being loud. Or that I don't listen. Congratulations on taking a football conversation and turning it into a potshot fest. I could just as easily accuse you of being stubborn, or anything you shove my way. The difference is, to borrow your verbiage, is that I don't see the worst in you, or presume it.

[slim]

I literally never said "hire just any young guy," but you represent that as my argument because you have no valid rebuttal. I never said the younger guy was always right, but you represent that as my argument.

Don't get pissy with me because you can't support your position.

You said what you said. It’s all good, my man.

You are an ageist. It be what it be.

[King87]

You said what you said. It’s all good, my man.

You are an ageist. It be what it be.

I'm sorry that I pay attention to what is happening in the NFL and can also point to other in societies that are analogous. Facts over feelings.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Who won the last 10 Super Bowls?

[slim]

I'm sure you do. I didn't say you didn't.

You have no idea as to who I am as a person. Pretending that you do doesn't make it so. In the real world I have meaningful conversations every day with people who are and think differently than I do. Just because I argue hard and fold when someone wants me to doesn't mean I'm stubborn. Or just being loud. Or that I don't listen. Congratulations on taking a football conversation and turning it into a potshot fest. I could just as easily accuse you of being stubborn, or anything you shove my way. The difference is, to borrow your verbiage, is that I don't see the worst in you, or presume it.

Just stop.

When you are wrong, you play the martyr. It’s cool. I get it.

Maybe try the middle ground sometime. Once you have some life experience, you will understand

[slim]

aside from pederson, who else would you have wanted?

Not here. We can discuss in the lounge

[King87]

Who won the last 8 Super Bowls?

This doesn't mitigate the notion that there's a youth movement in the NFL.

Look at McVay and Shanny. And look at the remaining coaches: The NFC is thought to be the better conference. That better conference has LaFluer, young coach, McVay, young coach, Shanahan, young coach, one guy who is older, but also a stud.

The AFC has Zac Taylor, a young coach, Vrabel, a young coach, Reid, old stud, and then McDermott, who was hired when he was 43.

That's who you have left. The Youth craze began a few years ago and isn't going anywhere. Why is that?

Meanwhile you just saw Fangio, who got his first job as an old guy flame out. Then you saw Zimmer, who also got his first job as a head coach when he was older, flame out. So yeah, you can find some older retreads who are solid, or even good, but you're not going to find too many great first time coaches who are old. And even if you like retreads, Vance Joseph (lol) is in play for a job, Flores is in play for a job, etc.

If facts are offensive, I'm sorry.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

This doesn't mitigate the notion that there's a youth movement in the NFL.

Look at McVay and Shanny. And look at the remaining coaches: The NFC is thought to be the better conference. That better conference has LaFluer, young coach, McVay, young coach, Shanahan, young coach, one guy who is older, but also a stud.

The AFC has Zac Taylor, a young coach, Vrabel, a young coach, Reid, old stud, and then McDermott, who was hired when he was 43.

That's who you have left. The Youth craze began a few years ago and isn't going anywhere. Why is that?

Meanwhile you just saw Fangio, who got his first job as an old guy flame out. Then you saw Zimmer, who also got his first job as a head coach when he was older, flame out. So yeah, you can find some older retreads who are solid, or even good, but you're not going to find too many great first time coaches who are old. And even if you like retreads, Vance Joseph (lol) is in play for a job, Flores is in play for a job, etc.

If facts are offensive, I'm sorry.

The point isn't the existence of the movement. The point is the youth has yet to achieve the ultimate goal. Also fact.

[King87]

Just stop.

When you are wrong, you play the martyr. It’s cool. I get it.

Maybe try the middle ground sometime. Once you have some life experience, you will understand

Why should I stop when you have literally made zero solid arguments, or rebuttal, and only done potshots? Why should I stop when I have the facts in my corner and you have platitudes?

You got your shit pushed in and then got upset. Not my fault. You're not worth engaging with, and you can't even take your own advice. Yet you feel comfortable dishing it out. What a joke. Have a good night.

[King87]

The point isn't the existence of the movement. The point is the youth has yet to achieve the ultimate goal. Also fact.

Not unfair. However:

The movement exists because there is clear and obvious merit to it. It took a lot of time for a bunch of older coaches to win the SB. You're seeing top notch organizations flock to these guys for a reason. And you're seeing the movement expand for a reason. And in regards to hiring coaches, is Belichick on the market? Is Reid on the market? No. So that doesn't inform the hiring process a whole lot.

[dogfish]

Not here. We can discuss in the lounge

the lounge? i didn't want beef as the next coach. . .

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Not unfair. However:

The movement exists because there is clear and obvious merit to it. It took a lot of time for a bunch of older coaches to win the SB. You're seeing top notch organizations flock to these guys for a reason. And you're seeing the movement expand for a reason. And in regards to hiring coaches, is Belichick on the market? Is Reid on the market? No. So that doesn't inform the hiring process a whole lot.

And as with everything else in the NFL, people will chase a trend until the next one comes along. Not quite cyclical necessarily, but it's a copycat league filled with a bunch of followers trying to reinvent someone else's success. If these young bucks don't win soon, this trend will likely fall by the wayside.

Or maybe the young guys just need more experience?

Good night all. Long day of fighting crime tomorrow. Inmates don't like to wear masks...and I'm completely over having to tell them to.

[slim]

Not unfair. However:

The movement exists because there is clear and obvious merit to it. It took a lot of time for a bunch of older coaches to win the SB. You're seeing top notch organizations flock to these guys for a reason. And you're seeing the movement expand for a reason. And in regards to hiring coaches, is Belichick on the market? Is Reid on the market? No. So that doesn't inform the hiring process a whole lot.

Lol

Sounds good.

[King87]

And as with everything else in the NFL, people will chase a trend until the next one comes along. Not quite cyclical necessarily, but it's a copycat league filled with a bunch of followers trying to reinvent someone else's success. If these young bucks don't win soon, this trend will likely fall by the wayside.

Or maybe the young guys just need more experience?

Good night all. Long day of fighting crime tomorrow. Inmates don't like to wear masks...and I'm completely over having to tell them to.

A pattern isn't a trend, and vice versa. However given the results you have this season, they're winning.

You seem to think that the youngsters getting experience through doing somehow hurts my argument, and it doesn't. The point is that the young guys are going to be more pliable, more mentally flexible, more relatable, and more innovative. That might change (unfortunately) with time, but they'll be getting experience as they acquire experience. And the truly great ones like Reid and BB adapt and change all the time.

[slim]

the lounge? i didn't want beef as the next coach. . .

He would be better than Quinn!!

It’s time to make way for the young. They have all the ideas.

[slim]

A pattern isn't a trend, and vice versa. However given the results you have this season, they're winning.

You seem to think that the youngsters getting experience through doing somehow hurts my argument, and it doesn't. The point is that the young guys are going to be more pliable, more mentally flexible, more relatable, and more innovative. That might change (unfortunately) with time, but they'll be getting experience as they acquire experience. And the truly great ones like Reid and BB adapt and change all the time.

I thought experience was irrelevant?

But maybe it matters based on your age?

[chazoe60]

If we hire Quinn you might as well root for another team the next 2-3 years till he gets fired and we have to start all over yet again. Dude is trash just like Fangio. Not sure why the front office doesn’t realize we have only Won super bowls with Offensive minded HC’s. Just facts

Shitty take.

[chazoe60]

My concern with Quinn is less that he's a defensive guy, and more that he's already shown himself to be an extremely average head coach.

I don't think you give him enough credit. He had a bad GM and still managed to win, should have won a SB but his OC (a guy we would all kill to have as our HC btw) let him down. Granted, Quinn could have and should have stepped in and demanded more running and settling for the FG. I think Quinn probably learned a ton from that experience.

Quinn is a good football coach, denying that is illogical.

With that said, my first choice is Hackett my second is O'Connell and my third is Callahan. Yes I would much prefer the young OC guy, but I also won't be mad if it's Quinn.

[slim]

I don't think you give him enough credit. He had a bad GM and still managed to win, should have won a SB but his OC (a guy we would all kill to have as our HC btw) let him down. Granted, Quinn could have and should have stepped in and demanded more running and settling for the FG. I think Quinn probably learned a ton from that experience.

Quinn is a good football coach, denying that is illogical.

With that said, my first choice is Hackett my second is O'Connell and my third is Callahan. Yes I would much prefer the young OC guy, but I also won't be mad if it's Quinn.

Good grief. I can’t believe folks are still blaming that SB loss on Shanny.

It was 28-3 at halftime. The entire loss falls on the defense. Be logical and honest and tell me I’m wrong.

[chazoe60]

Good grief. I can’t believe folks are still blaming that SB loss on Shanny.

It was 28-3 at halftime. The entire loss falls on the defense. Be logical and honest and tell me I’m wrong.

I've blocked most of it out. All I know is if they run the ball instead of pass on that one drive they kick a FG and win the game. You're right it's overly simplistic to blame it all on Shanny but I stand by my opinion that 2 run plays and a FG they win and it becomes an almost comeback for the ********* in NE and we're not even talking about this.

[dogfish]

I've blocked most of it out. All I know is if they run the ball instead of pass on that one drive they kick a FG and win the game. You're right it's overly simplistic to blame it all on Shanny but I stand by my opinion that 2 run plays and a FG they win and it becomes an almost comeback for the ********* in NE and we're not even talking about this.

one bad play on offense vs. an all-time defensive collapse. . .

[chazoe60]

It wasn't just a defensive collapse. Of I recall there was some turnovers, short fields and lack of drives that put Atlanta's defense in bad spots too.

[King87]

It wasn't just a defensive collapse. Of I recall there was some turnovers, short fields and lack of drives that put Atlanta's defense in bad spots too.

Everything went poop.

[chazoe60]

My overall point is that Quinn is a guy who can lead a team to a SB victory, I have faith in that. Like I said he's not my first choice but he's also a guy I'd be proud to root for. I also trust that he'll be a big upgrade to what we've had.

Bronco land is looking up guys. We're on the precipice of getting a gajillionaire owner who will probably sink a shit ton of money into our team and area, a new HC who is either going to be a young offensive juggernaut or at a very minimum he'll be the adult in the room and make good decisions, and probably a new QB. This is exciting guys, embrace it.

[Strafen]

Quinn could be what the front office is looking for. We -fans- are ready to move on to something new, a young offensive minded coach. Could Quinn bring Kellen Moore as his OC?
That will be fantastic and easier for me to digest

[Elevation inc]

I will feel the same way about Quinn that I did about Fangio. Blah in the hopes they can prove me wrong, but doubting it will ever bear fruit.

[Mozzafiato]

Quinn could be what the front office is looking for. We -fans- are ready to move on to something new, a young offensive minded coach. Could Quinn bring Kellen Moore as his OC?
That will be fantastic and easier for me to digest

No.

[Northman]

I've blocked most of it out. All I know is if they run the ball instead of pass on that one drive they kick a FG and win the game. You're right it's overly simplistic to blame it all on Shanny but I stand by my opinion that 2 run plays and a FG they win and it becomes an almost comeback for the ********* in NE and we're not even talking about this.

This ^

It was the change in offensive philosophy that along with bad defense allowed the Pats to get back in the game. The Falcons totally went away from pounding the ball which does fall on Shanahan there.

[Northman]

I will feel the same way about Quinn that I did about Fangio. Blah in the hopes they can prove me wrong, but doubting it will ever bear fruit.

Same.

Dude has a history of starting out strong and then collapsing as the season (and games) wear on. If he is chosen i pray he proves me wrong but i just dont see it.

[slim]

This ^

It was the change in offensive philosophy that along with bad defense allowed the Pats to get back in the game. The Falcons totally went away from pounding the ball which does fall on Shanahan there.

You shut your Brady hole!!!

[Northman]

You shut your Brady hole!!!

You!

[Buff]

This ^

It was the change in offensive philosophy that along with bad defense allowed the Pats to get back in the game. The Falcons totally went away from pounding the ball which does fall on Shanahan there.

Shanahan has addressed it a couple times, and I at least respect his explanation -- basically saying that they were going to stay aggressive, trust putting the ball in the guys hands who got them there, and on the flip side if they convert a couple of those first downs instead of having the worst possible outcomes, then the game is iced...

Obviously I was also first guessing it in the moment, and hindsight is 20/20 they should have run the ball -- but it's kind of a live by the sword and die by the sword mentality with guys who have aggressive coaching philosophies. I respect it and miss having a coach with that type of mentality.

[Northman]

Shanahan has addressed it a couple times, and I at least respect his explanation -- basically saying that they were going to stay aggressive, trust putting the ball in the guys hands who got them there, and on the flip side if they convert a couple of those first downs instead of having the worst possible outcomes, then the game is iced...

Obviously I was also first guessing it in the moment, and hindsight is 20/20 they should have run the ball -- but it's kind of a live by the sword and die by the sword mentality with guys who have aggressive coaching philosophies. I respect it and miss having a coach with that type of mentality.

I think my problem with it is they basically totally abandoned the run. Want to stay aggressive? Awesome. But be smart about it, passing on almost every down not only takes the chance of stopping the clock more but eventually if you keep going 3 and out you are going to gas your defense as well. The problem wasnt so much staying aggressive as it was how they applied it. Is it something Shanahan learned from? I would say so after watching what he did to Dallas with a more balanced attack.

[aberdien]

I don't think you give him enough credit. He had a bad GM and still managed to win, should have won a SB but his OC (a guy we would all kill to have as our HC btw) let him down. Granted, Quinn could have and should have stepped in and demanded more running and settling for the FG. I think Quinn probably learned a ton from that experience.

Quinn is a good football coach, denying that is illogical.

With that said, my first choice is Hackett my second is O'Connell and my third is Callahan. Yes I would much prefer the young OC guy, but I also won't be mad if it's Quinn.

1. Quinn is a good coach and defensive coordinator, as I've said. He is an average Head Coach, and he even had a top 5 QB. That is what we know. He may have learned some stuff and might be better. But I am skeptical.

2. If Shanny Jr was to blame for that SB failure, I'd argue they don't even get to that point without Shanny Jr.


My overall point is that Quinn is a guy who can lead a team to a SB victory, I have faith in that. Like I said he's not my first choice but he's also a guy I'd be proud to root for. I also trust that he'll be a big upgrade to what we've had.

Bronco land is looking up guys. We're on the precipice of getting a gajillionaire owner who will probably sink a shit ton of money into our team and area, a new HC who is either going to be a young offensive juggernaut or at a very minimum he'll be the adult in the room and make good decisions, and probably a new QB. This is exciting guys, embrace it.

The evidence says otherwise!

Quinn would be a slight improvement over Fangio, but I would not expect a SB victory.

[Timmy!]

This ^

It was the change in offensive philosophy that along with bad defense allowed the Pats to get back in the game. The Falcons totally went away from pounding the ball which does fall on Shanahan there.

Double this^

It's not like the Falcons were throwing the ball all over the place in the 1st half, they were running all over the Pats. Then suddenly with a huge lead decided to go full on huck it chuck it football!!! Which was incredibly stupid, and Shanny deserves the lions share of the blame. With 5 min left in the 3rd they damn near could have kneeled every play, literally.

[Buff]

I think my problem with it is they basically totally abandoned the run. Want to stay aggressive? Awesome. But be smart about it, passing on almost every down not only takes the chance of stopping the clock more but eventually if you keep going 3 and out you are going to gas your defense as well. The problem wasnt so much staying aggressive as it was how they applied it. Is it something Shanahan learned from? I would say so after watching what he did to Dallas with a more balanced attack.

Yeah it was an all-time failure of epic proportions, which he admits... I just thought it was interesting to hear it from his perspective. You can at least see where his logic wasn't totally crazy, even though it clearly was the wrong decision. I think if I have a point here, I can *somewhat* forgive a coaching blunder that is overly aggressive more than I can forgive coaching scared -- but man, what a collapse.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/kyle-shanahan-laments-play-calling-mistake-super-bowl-loss-patriots

[Magnificent Seven]

Pass. He sucked in Super Bowl.

[Strafen]

Yeah it was an all-time failure of epic proportions, which he admits... I just thought it was interesting to hear it from his perspective. You can at least see where his logic wasn't totally crazy, even though it clearly was the wrong decision. I think if I have a point here, I can *somewhat* forgive a coaching blunder that is overly aggressive more than I can forgive coaching scared -- but man, what a collapse.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/kyle-shanahan-laments-play-calling-mistake-super-bowl-loss-patriotsTheres ways you can look at it. For example; he was up against the GOAT Tom Brady and arguably equally great Bill Belichick. They definitely overlooked that part. I’m sure the guy may have learned going forward that you play for 60 minutes. But the stink that collapse left, in the game biggest stage can only be erased by getting back to it and winning it this time. He’s got that going for him, and should be enough of a drive to ever want to prove himself...

[Davii]

Pass. He sucked in Super Bowl.

This is an odd criticism. If you trip when you're very near the summit of Everest should you be ridiculed for tripping? Does it even matter that you climbed all the way there?

[Magnificent Seven]

This is an odd criticism. If you trip when you're very near the summit of Everest should you be ridiculed for tripping? Does it even matter that you climbed all the way there?

Well. He was a DC for Seahawks and he was a HC for Falcons. In Super Bowl, he failed to figure it out how to stop Brady's offense and he was a good DC in Seattle. So, He is not a damn good head coach. He should keep his job (DC) in Dallas or elsewhere. I am not sold on him for Broncos' new HC. So, I pass.

[Strafen]

Well. He was a DC for Seahawks and he was a HC for Falcons. In Super Bowl, he failed to figure it out how to stop Brady's offense and he was a good DC in Seattle. So, He is not a damn good head coach. He should keep his job (DC) in Dallas or elsewhere. I am not sold on him for Broncos' new HC. So, I pass.
Hopefully somebody else would hire him before us. I suspect we will have an announcement made by Tuesday..,

[Strafen]

Right now, if we look at what Paton’s looking for, there’s only one coach that fits most of his criteria and that’s Dan Quinn. Is Dan Quinn the right fit for the Broncos? That’s a discussion for another day...
Hackett comes from an organization rich in football tradition. A perennial winner, always in contention for as far back as I can remember. Hopefully he can bring some of that to Denva’

[Simple Jaded]

Well. He was a DC for Seahawks and he was a HC for Falcons. In Super Bowl, he failed to figure it out how to stop Brady's offense and he was a good DC in Seattle. So, He is not a damn good head coach. He should keep his job (DC) in Dallas or elsewhere. I am not sold on him for Broncos' new HC. So, I pass.

It all depends on his coordinators, if he’s the CEO type to dogshit OC/DC’s then it’s a problem.

[Simple Jaded]

Pass. He sucked in Super Bowl.

Actually, he sucked in the 2nd half o the SB.

[Simple Jaded]

Double this^

It's not like the Falcons were throwing the ball all over the place in the 1st half, they were running all over the Pats. Then suddenly with a huge lead decided to go full on huck it chuck it football!!! Which was incredibly stupid, and Shanny deserves the lions share of the blame. With 5 min left in the 3rd they damn near could have kneeled every play, literally.
Breaking tendencies in the 2nd half against a team that’s known for cheating is smart coaching.

[Arkie]

Falcons fans are saying Quinn is an idiot coach who spends too many resources on offense and skimps on defense and completely ignores special teams. Also, I wouldn't call Matt Ryan a top 5 QB. He only got to the SB once, and the falcons are always spending first round picks for his new weapons--Pitts, Ridley, Jones, White, etc. They are currently arguing who's better between Ryan and Tannehill.

[Northman]

Falcons fans are saying Quinn is an idiot coach who spends too many resources on offense and skimps on defense and completely ignores special teams. Also, I wouldn't call Matt Ryan a top 5 QB. He only got to the SB once, and the falcons are always spending first round picks for his new weapons--Pitts, Ridley, Jones, White, etc. They are currently arguing who's better between Ryan and Tannehill.

I can definitely see this, the Falcons continually under achieve whether at HC or at QB.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Falcons fans are saying Quinn is an idiot coach who spends too many resources on offense and skimps on defense and completely ignores special teams. Also, I wouldn't call Matt Ryan a top 5 QB. He only got to the SB once, and the falcons are always spending first round picks for his new weapons--Pitts, Ridley, Jones, White, etc. They are currently arguing who's better between Ryan and Tannehill.

Ryan...not close

That said, they've drafted plenty of defensive players who haven't worked out. Not defending Quinn, but he also didn't make the more recent picks

[Arkie]

Ryan...not close

That said, they've drafted plenty of defensive players who haven't worked out. Not defending Quinn, but he also didn't make the more recent picks

True. I'm not attacking Quinn for the recent picks, just pointing out that the Falcons have been trying to give Ryan everything to succeed. Before, during, and after Quinn

[aberdien]

Went through a couple of threads on a Falcons message board. Here is what Mozz wants!

"Quinn was too loyal to friends instead of finding the best assistants. He was also not great on decision making and time management"

"I wish Quinn the best and think he could be a good HC again. He mishandled some assistant decisions and I think that was his downfall in addition to complacency after the Super Bowl season. Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes and will succeed in his next stop. "

"If he does go with Quinn, it will be particularly funny to me because in my mind Gus Bradley = Dan Quinn. Both are from the Pete Carroll coaching tree and both got coaching jobs from being the DC under Carroll, when it's clear now that Pete was the magic. Also they're both bald."

"I'll bet he goes hard at being an average coach who makes bad decisions."

"Just watched the Dallas defence play real stupid football. Quinn gonna Quinn. I don’t miss him at all. If Denver or any other team hired him I have a pretty good idea of what’s gonna happen to them. "

"Quinn should go to Jacksonville, or Detroit. One of the loser franchises that should have a loser coach who loses."

"Dan Quinn has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is totally incompetent as a HC. he is really not even a good DC. He inherited a Defense in Seattle , and made that his reputation, which was bogus. He came to Atlanta and had to give up the Defensive chores because he could not execute them properly. He had to have an assistant on the sidelines to tell him when to call TOs and challenges. He mainly stood on the sidelines clapping his hands ,and thinking up slogans. He stole four long years from we Falcon fans and I will never forgive him. Someone would have to be nuts to hire him as a HC or even a DC, he has again inherited a pretty good defense in Dallas. His true colors will be exposed once again sooner or later."

"Hiring Dan Quinn as head coach? Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on whatever team tries to hire him."

"I hope he gets it. Say whatever you want about him, Dan was always a great person. He got that cowboys defense out of the dumps and turned them into one of the best units in football and created a ridiculous amount of pressure and takeaways. I think it's clear he is a far better DC than HC but who knows. Maybe he takes what he learned in Atlanta with what didn't work and grows from it in a 2nd HC opportunity. "

"I really hope he gets another HC gig and fails again. I feel like there has been so much underlying subtext in his whole “redemption arc” in Dallas. Almost like some believe he was hamstrung here and that he wasn’t really responsible for his failure. Him acquiring a plethora of talent in Dallas and riding them to success, much like he did in Seattle, just made it too easy for him to regain favorable recognition as being a “great coach” and a “defensive mastermind” all while the Falcons are still left suffering from his share in the gross mismanagement of the team."

"As someone who has a soft spot for Kansas City (brother has been a fan for 45 years), I'd love to see the Broncos hire Quinn if that tells you anything of my opinion of him. Guy may be fine as a coordinator with a talent stacked defense (that someone else chooses for him) but he absolutely sucks as a head coach. That is unless you like blowing huge leads, loses games where your qb throws 5tds, 400 yards and no ints, along with lots of penalties on top of it."

"Players regressed (Deion Jones, Devondre Campbell, Keanu Neal, etc) under his watch. The defense got worse when he took over as DC. There was little to no accountability. Didn't like difference of thought and stressed optimism over realism. Stressed slogans and brotherhood over good coaching/scheme and it showed on the field. Made backup QBs look good. Guys got paid and then got complacent under his watch."

[Mozzafiato]

Falcons fans are saying Quinn is an idiot coach who spends too many resources on offense and skimps on defense and completely ignores special teams. Also, I wouldn't call Matt Ryan a top 5 QB. He only got to the SB once, and the falcons are always spending first round picks for his new weapons--Pitts, Ridley, Jones, White, etc. They are currently arguing who's better between Ryan and Tannehill.

This sounds like something to blame on Thomas Dimitroff more than on Quinn.

[Mozzafiato]

Went through a couple of threads on a Falcons message board. Here is what Mozz wants!


You keep saying this even though Quinn isn't my top choice!

[King87]

You keep saying this even though Quinn isn't my top choice!

Abe is being playful.

[Mozzafiato]

Abe is being playful.

I suspect that this is the case!

[Nomad]

Abe is being playful.

Mozza must not know abe too well.

[King87]

I suspect that this is the case!

He is made of mischief and whimsy!

[King87]

Mozza must not know abe too well.

I'm bringing people together!

[slim]

Mozza must not know abe too well.

Mozz is the smartest man on the planet. Just ask him.

[Mozzafiato]

Mozz is the smartest man on the planet. Just ask him.

Not even the the smartest person on this forum! But maybe top 5? ;)

[slim]

Not even the the smartest person on this forum! But maybe top 5? ;)

Top 500 for sure!!!

[King87]

McVay is getting too cute about the clock. You focus on getting your points, not some idyllic manufactured scenario. This is the type of shit that's burned him in the past.

I'm so pissed I posted this in the wrong thread.

[dogfish]

He is made of mischief and whimsy!



And bacon.

[aberdien]

I did have a BLT for lunch.

[Nomad]

I did have a BLT for lunch.

Tomatoes are gross.

[Strafen]

Tomatoes are gross.

I love tomatos

[slim]

Tomatoes are gross.

Incorrect.

[Eddiemac87]

Incorrect.

Correct!

[Strafen]

Rumors Broncos narrowed their list down to two candidates. Dan Quinn and Jonathan Gannon. Yup! Both defensive coordinators with Nathaniel Hackett still with an outside chance. Houston appears to be real interested in Gannon and he’s slated for a second interview as well as possible a second from the broncos

[Simple Jaded]

Tomatoes are gross.

Have you ever been Vice President of the United States?

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Have you ever been Vice President of the United States?

He likes potatoes!

[Simple Jaded]

Top 500 for sure!!!

Hold my beer.

[chazoe60]

Rumors Broncos narrowed their list down to two candidates. Dan Quinn and Jonathan Gannon. Yup! Both defensive coordinators with Nathaniel Hackett still with an outside chance. Houston appears to be real interested in Gannon and he’s slated for a second interview as well as possible a second from the broncos

If this is true, which I don't trust that it is I saw the Twitter post and don't believe the Gannon part just yet, but if it is true then Paton is a fool. The fanbase will revolt if it's Gannon. Sorry but a first time HC who was the DC of a bad defense the year before because "he's a leader of men" might just be the death knell in a lot of fans' enthusiasm for good. Especially after what we've witnessed this weekend. Every team that won this weekend is guided by an offensive guy who calls his own plays. This string of DC bullshit needs to stop and if it doesn't then **** this stupid ******* organization that can't figure out the most important positions in the sport. Sick of being annoyed while our rivals dominate the ******* league because we're guided by morons.