5th pick possible?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/?p=652608

According to this article, we could pick as high as 5 in the 2021 draft. Horrifically unlikely, but let's ignore that in this thread. Let's assume we have pick 5.

What would you offer Jax for the 1st pick? I'm sure this will turn into another debate about giving Lock another year. That's not the topic. I wanna know what you'd give for a shot at Lawrence from the 5 spot.

What say you Bronco Nation?

[BroncoJoe]

Bronco Nation?

[Northman]

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/?p=652608

According to this article, we could pick as high as 5 in the 2021 draft. Horrifically unlikely, but let's ignore that in this thread. Let's assume we have pick 5.

What would you offer Jax for the 1st pick? I'm sure this will turn into another debate about giving Lock another year. That's not the topic. I wanna know what you'd give for a shot at Lawrence from the 5 spot.

What say you Bronco Nation?


Our 1st, 3rd, 7th, and Miller.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Bronco Nation?

Sure. Why not?

[BroncoWave]

Our 1st, 3rd, 7th, and Miller.

And the jags laugh and hang up. Would take something like Lock, Von, and several first round picks, and even that's probably not enough.

[Northman]

And the jags laugh and hang up. Would take something like Lock, Von, and several first round picks, and even that's probably not enough.

The question wasnt if they would accept only what you would give up. I mean i do wish i had your crystal ball but yea they would be dumb to pass up on Lawrence as it is.

[BroncoJoe]

Sure. Why not?

It's Broncos Country, FYI.

[BroncoJoe]

I'd give a middle finger and two smelly farts.

[MOtorboat]

I mean, you make the phone call even at 10. But you’re not giving up what they’ll want.

So you take Sewell or Parsons or Farley or Surtain or Paye or Rousseau or Horn. Whoever your top player is. I’d obviously prefer defense and O-line if you can tell. Don’t see a reason to take Waddle, Chase or Smith a year after taking Jeudy and Hamler and already having Sutton. Pitts maybe, but Fant is good.

And you do have to consider Fields and Wilson if you have a chance at them.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I mean, you make the phone call even at 10. But you’re not giving up what they’ll want.

So you take Sewell or Parsons or Farley or Surtain or Paye or Rousseau or Horn. Whoever your top player is. I’d obviously prefer defense and O-line if you can tell. Don’t see a reason to take Waddle, Chase or Smith a year after taking Jeudy and Hamler and already having Sutton. Pitts maybe, but Fant is good.

And you do have to consider Fields and Wilson if you have a chance at them.

That's no fun

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I'd give Lock, our #1 this year and next and our #2 this year. Plus if they wanted Von, I'd do it to assist with the cap.

[BroncoWave]

I'd give Lock, our #1 this year and next and our #2 this year. Plus if they wanted Von, I'd do it to assist with the cap.

If we had the first pick and someone offered us a shaky young QB, an injured 31 year old OLB, the 5th pick, and a second rounder, and we traded Lawrence for that, you'd want Elway's head on a stick.

[Northman]

I'd give Lock, our #1 this year and next and our #2 this year. Plus if they wanted Von, I'd do it to assist with the cap.

Steep price but thats more than likely what it would take.

[MOtorboat]

If you’re Jacksonville how can you pass on the quarterback at No. 1 over anything. There is zero possibility this team doesn’t draft Lawrence. Zero. It’s guaranteed.

If I were Goodell, I’d contract the team if they trotted out Gardner Minshew, Mike Glennon and some dude I can’t remember out there, had a chance at a guy that’s been labeled the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft since he was 15, and they didn’t take him. I’d walk to the podium and say, “We have an announcement as the NFL. The Jaguars no longer play in the NFL. We will move forward with 31 teams.”

[Northman]

If I were Goodell, I’d contract the team if they trotted out Gardner Minshew, Mike Glennon and some dude I can’t remember out there, had a chance at a guy that’s been labeled the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft since he was 15, and they didn’t take him. I’d walk to the podium and say, “We have an announcement as the NFL. The Jaguars no longer play in the NFL. We will move forward with 31 teams.”

Ok, that is damn funny right there. Im almost wanting it to happen.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

If we had the first pick and someone offered us a shaky young QB, an injured 31 year old OLB, the 5th pick, and a second rounder, and we traded Lawrence for that, you'd want Elway's head on a stick.

Agreed...but I also listed next years #1 as well.

Still...the only way I say yes is because I love Fields or Wilson.

[aberdien]

I would never trade Von in a million years.

I would just take the best player available, preferably o-line or some baller defensive stud.

[BroncoWave]

I would never trade Von in a million years.

I would just take the best player available, preferably o-line or some baller defensive stud.

Von is my favorite non Elway bronco of all time. But if he got us lawrence? I'd fly to Denver and drive him to the airport.

[aberdien]

Until Lawrence starts doing fun sack dances he is a scrub.

https://media.tenor.com/images/93aeabad92f4bd1a659d380fdd9f8e0a/tenor.gif

[Northman]

I think Von's best days are behind him unfortunately.

[Simple Jaded]

Trade Chubb, y’all have the immortal Malik Reed to replace him anyway.

[Simple Jaded]

#5, Chubb, Simmons and a future #1’.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

#5, Chubb, Simmons and a future #1’.

That's a bold move, Cotton.

[Davii]

Can we offer Ellis and Elway? Is that allowed?

[FanInAZ]

If you’re Jacksonville how can you pass on the quarterback at No. 1 over anything. There is zero possibility this team doesn’t draft Lawrence. Zero. It’s guaranteed.

I remember when the Colts were so overt with their intention of taking Manning with the 1st pick of the '98 draft that they literally announce that they had come to a contractual agreement with him a week or 2 ahead of the draft. Of course nothing could be signed until they officially drafted him, but they did make sure that every Colts fan knew they weren't going to repeat what they did with the player they drafted with the 1st pick of the '83 draft :D

If the Jag do anything but take whoever they believe to be the best QB in the draft with the 1st pick, their fans will riot. However, it is still within the realm of possibility that their brain trust might think that they know more then everyone else and take different QB with that pick. Remember when Sneakers was insisting that we needed to take Russell Wilson in 2012, who ended up not being taken until the 75th pick (3rd round)? The players that went ahead of him were Andrew Luck (1st pick - 1 round), Robert Griffin III (2nd pick - 1st round), Ryan Tannehill (8th pick - 1st round), Brandon Weeden (22nd pick - 1st round), and Brock Osweiler (52nd pick - 2nd round) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/draft.htm.

Only 2 of these 5 QBs that went ahead of Wilson have had decent NFL careers, 1 of which is still going. The other 3 were disappointments, only 1 of which is still a bench warmer while the other 2 washed out completely after just 5 seasons. So, this leads me to ask 2 questions:

1) Does the Jags of a Sneakers like scout in their college scouting department that believes they know something that the "experts" don't know?

2) Is Sneakers a better college scout, or was he just a hommer that got one right :D

[FanInAZ]

Can we offer Ellis and Elway? Is that allowed?

Well, the Raiders trade coach Gruden to the Bucs back in '02, so I guess anything is possible.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I remember when the Colts were so overt with their intention of taking Manning with the 1st pick of the '98 draft that they literally announce that they had come to a contractual agreement with him a week or 2 ahead of the draft. Of course nothing could be signed until they officially drafted him, but they did make sure that every Colts fan knew they weren't going to repeat what they did with the player they drafted with the 1st pick of the '83 draft :D

If the Jag do anything but take whoever they believe to be the best QB in the draft with the 1st pick, their fans will riot. However, it is still within the realm of possibility that their brain trust might think that they know more then everyone else and take different QB with that pick. Remember when Sneakers was insisting that we needed to take Russell Wilson in 2012, who ended up not being taken until the 75th pick (3rd round)? The players that went ahead of him were Andrew Luck (1st pick - 1 round), Robert Griffin III (2nd pick - 1st round), Ryan Tannehill (8th pick - 1st round), Brandon Weeden (22nd pick - 1st round), and Brock Osweiler (52nd pick - 2nd round) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/draft.htm.

Only 2 of these 5 QBs that went ahead of Wilson have had decent NFL careers, 1 of which is still going. The other 3 were disappointments, only 1 of which is still a bench warmer while the other 2 washed out completely after just 5 seasons. So, this leads me to ask 2 questions:

1) Does the Jags of a Sneakers like scout in their college scouting department that believes they know something that the "experts" don't know?

2) Is Sneakers a better college scout, or was he just a hommer that got one right :D

King was correct when he mentioned that the staunch old minds of the NFL weren't ready for a guy like Russell. They ignored the obvious because he is short and could run.

[FanInAZ]

King was correct when he mentioned that the staunch old minds of the NFL weren't ready for a guy like Russell. They ignored the obvious because he is short and could run.

I completely agree with King's assessment. Back in '85, there was a college sensation named Doug Flutie who people doubted could succeed in the NFL right off the bat because he was only 5'10." His teams were a combine 9-5 with him as a part time starter over 6 seasons, despite him posting stats that were not all that great for that era and would be consider horrible for today's NFL. So, he goes to play in Canada for a few years and then came back to the NFL and puts up really good numbers while leading the Bills to a 21-9 record over 3 years. Unfortunately for him, the Bills had already brought in their QB of the future, 6'4" Rob Johnson. This, despite the fact the Bills were 4-1 with Flutie as a starter in his final year with them, but just 4-7 with Johnson. Flutie went to SD in 2001 where his career died, while Johnson was run out of Buffalo after that season after posting a 1-7 record. Flutie's his last year was 2005 as a Patriots' bench warmer, 2 years after Johnson had retired after just 9 years in the league :lol:

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/?p=652608

According to this article, we could pick as high as 5 in the 2021 draft. Horrifically unlikely, but let's ignore that in this thread. Let's assume we have pick 5.

What would you offer Jax for the 1st pick? I'm sure this will turn into another debate about giving Lock another year. That's not the topic. I wanna know what you'd give for a shot at Lawrence from the 5 spot.

What say you Bronco Nation?

Absolutely nothing because they wouldn’t trade the #1 pick and we won’t be picking 5 anyway. We must stay where we are at an bolster the CB position.

[UnderArmour]

I think people are quick to forget that this is youngest roster in the NFL. If anything, simply staying the course and stocking new talent while developing young players will pay off soon, and keep paying off. This team needs an outside cornerback and an ILB that can cover/blitz. The defense is holding, but they aren't making enough plays to force turnovers. The situation with the offense is improving every week, and committing more heavily to the run game will do wonders next year.

[SR]

I would never trade Von in a million years.

I would just take the best player available, preferably o-line or some baller defensive stud.

That's where I'm at as well. Not a fan of mortgaging the future to pick a QB. I think Elway agrees with that sentiment as well. Assuming the picks given up to move to #1 and draft Lawrence were all perennial starters with a couple of possible Pro Bowlers sprinkled in, the sum of those picks would outweigh the sum of Lawrence, however good he may be. At #5, you have the opportunity to pick a player that will be, ideally, a day one starter at any other position. Also assuming that Bouye isn't with the team next season, CB will also be an area of immediate need. Safety will also be a concern depending on what happens with Jackson and Simmons, but I think Will Parks could step in and be an above average starter. Denver may also have D-line needs if Shelby departs and if Denver opts to ditch Casey. Draft the best player available that fills a glaring need is what I would do. Right now, QB isn't on my list of wants at five or ten or wherever Denver will pick.

[SR]

#5, Chubb, Simmons and a future #1’.

Simmons won't be under contract when the season expires, so that idea is dead in the water.

[SR]

I think people are quick to forget that this is youngest roster in the NFL. If anything, simply staying the course and stocking new talent while developing young players will pay off soon, and keep paying off. This team needs an outside cornerback and an ILB that can cover/blitz. The defense is holding, but they aren't making enough plays to force turnovers. The situation with the offense is improving every week, and committing more heavily to the run game will do wonders next year.

I like our ILB starters in Alexander and the white guy who's name is escaping me at the moment. The OLB situation is good. DE is good. DT is a concern depending on what happens with Shelby and Casey. Safety and corner worry me most on that side of the ball.

[Northman]

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.

Get back Von, Casey, our top 3 or 4 CBs and the D is not my biggest concern. There are spots we could upgrade for sure.

[atwater27]

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.I hear you, but when the offense constantly gets stymied and gives it right back every time with a punt or a turnover and good field position...

[SR]

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.

A lot of that is that the opponents have more opportunity. Denver turns the ball over more than almost every team in football and has the worst turnover differential in football. More opportunity leads to more production generally. The biggest problems on defense this season have been injuries, suspensions, and COVID. The personnel hasn't been the biggest problem. Imagine if we had a healthy Von, healthy Callahan, healthy Casey, and if Bouye wasn't suspended. The defense is SOLID personnel wise. Had everyone been relatively healthy and not suspended, the defense would be stout. If the offense was 50% better and healthy, Denver has a really solid team on paper. A lot of the draft needs are going to depend on guys like Juwaan James, Shelby Harris, AJ Bouye, Kareem Jackson, Justin Simmons, etc.

[Northman]

Im just not sold that our LB's are that great and our run stopping has not been that stellar this year regardless of Denver's turnover issues. We need bonafide playermakings at both ILB and DL.

[atwater27]

Im just not sold that our LB's are that great and our run stopping has not been that stellar this year regardless of Denver's turnover issues. We need bonafide playermakings at both ILB and DL.

Inside backers yes we desperately need. I loooove our D line.

[SR]

Inside backers yes we desperately need. I loooove our D line.

I don't think we "desperately" need new ILB starters. The white guy I referenced earlier, Jewell, is only in his third year and will continue to get better. Alexander is a badass and I'm glad Elway took a flyer on him. If they pick defense with their first round pick, I'd almost guarantee it's a DB.

[atwater27]

I don't think we "desperately" need new ILB starters. The white guy I referenced earlier, Jewell, is only in his third year and will continue to get better. Alexander is a badass and I'm glad Elway took a flyer on him. If they pick defense with their first round pick, I'd almost guarantee it's a DB.

Jewel is a liability on passing downs. Slow and white

[Northman]

Fact is we havent had a bonafide ILB since Al Wilson.

[Simple Jaded]

Fact is we havent had a bonafide ILB since Al Wilson.

Imagine Al Wilson in today’s NFL, that’s exactly what the Broncos need.

EDGE- Von Miller
ILB- Wilson
ILB- John Mobley
EDGE- Chubby

I just got the weirdest boner.

[Simple Jaded]

Inside backers yes we desperately need. I loooove our D line.

Who’s taking bets on Shelby Harris coming back on a reasonable 3 year/$21mil kinda deal?

Everyone in town seems to think he’s gonna break the bank (like we all thought this time last year), I can’t see teams paying max money on a DL that is better at defending passes than he is at sacking the QB.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Who’s taking bets on Shelby Harris coming back on a reasonable 3 year/$21mil kinda deal?

Everyone in town seems to think he’s gonna break the bank (like we all thought this time last year), I can’t see teams paying max money on a DL that is better at defending passes than he is at sacking the QB.

Yeah, but he does have more passes defensed than I think our whole secondary does combined... he’s the new “JJ Swatt”. His value is still a mystery to me, though. Obviously if we let Casey walk we can re-sign Harris. I dunno what the FO is gonna do though. The defense was solid (not great, but good) without Von, Casey, Purcell (although the run defense got worse without big Mike), and the other DL in and out of the lineup all year. Do we want to spend big to keep Von and Casey? I mean I love Von and hope he retire a Bronco, but we all know loyalty is rare late in a career. DT, Sanders, CHJ, etc are all evidence of that. Refresh my memory, did we sign Purcell to an extension? I thought we did like right before he went on IR.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Fact is we havent had a bonafide ILB since Al Wilson.

Agreed but we definitely need to inject some elite ability into the CB position, ojamudia is going to be a good system CB I hope, Callahan is always injured even before becoming a Bronco. And he’s really a nickle the 50% of games he actually play’s.

There’s just some key things we can do to add to this young team instead of wasting tons of capital on a QB.

I probably should have watched Fields play though, we’re slated to pick 10, and the mock had us taking Fields and I was actually kind of feeling good about it. Fields does look like the real deal but thankfully he’ll be gone before 10 because I think Lock is the real deal.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Who’s taking bets on Shelby Harris coming back on a reasonable 3 year/$21mil kinda deal?

Everyone in town seems to think he’s gonna break the bank (like we all thought this time last year), I can’t see teams paying max money on a DL that is better at defending passes than he is at sacking the QB.

Harris won’t be cashing in on anything significant, literally nobody wanted him for what he thought he’d get out there on the market last year.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

That fields guy looks foreal.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

But Micah parsons would transform the defense, Surtain as well. Two guys I would love to see a Bronco.

[Simple Jaded]

Yeah, but he does have more passes defensed than I think our whole secondary does combined... he’s the new “JJ Swatt”. His value is still a mystery to me, though. Obviously if we let Casey walk we can re-sign Harris. I dunno what the FO is gonna do though. The defense was solid (not great, but good) without Von, Casey, Purcell (although the run defense got worse without big Mike), and the other DL in and out of the lineup all year. Do we want to spend big to keep Von and Casey? I mean I love Von and hope he retire a Bronco, but we all know loyalty is rare late in a career. DT, Sanders, CHJ, etc are all evidence of that. Refresh my memory, did we sign Purcell to an extension? I thought we did like right before he went on IR.
Yeah they signed Purcell a week before he went out for the season.

I keep Von, Harris and dump Casey.

The pass rush is shit w/o Von and Chubb together.

[Elevation inc]

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.

No that's expected when you have no CB's for most of the year and lose 2 pro bowlers from the front 7 including your best pass rusher and a beats against the run as well as the guy who stakes his game on run defense in Purcell. The fact we still were respectable on defense overall is a testament to the coaching and depth we did have. We need upgrades and we have positions to address, but were pretty strong on defense when were healthy

[Elevation inc]

Yeah they signed Purcell a week before he went out for the season.

I keep Von, Harris and dump Casey.

The pass rush is shit w/o Von and Chubb together.



3rd pass rusher besides Von and Chubb is a need next year. I am really intrigued by Zaven Collins from Tulsa and his scheme diversity and skillset, he is playmaker who can provide 3-4 pass rush but also play inside and be a upgrade over Jewell. I do think Harris comes back for a pretty decent amount, and there is solid reasoning to move on from Jurrell, but I'm not so sure we will. We have good cap, and will get more when Bouye is cut. I think Purcell, Shelby and Jurell is still the plan with Dre and maybe Agim for depth. When healthy we have a very good front seven and we showed this year we can still be solid if injuries happen.

[Simple Jaded]

3rd pass rusher besides Von and Chubb is a need next year. I am really intrigued by Zaven Collins from Tulsa and his scheme diversity and skillset, he is playmaker who can provide 3-4 pass rush but also play inside and be a upgrade over Jewell. I do think Harris comes back for a pretty decent amount, and there is solid reasoning to move on from Jurrell, but I'm not so sure we will. We have good cap, and will get more when Bouye is cut. I think Purcell, Shelby and Jurell is still the plan with Dre and maybe Agim for depth. When healthy we have a very good front seven and we showed this year we can still be solid if injuries happen.

Collins is a projection at Edge, he’s always been an off-the-ball LB, but he’s probably a better fit outside in today’s NFL.

[Elevation inc]

Collins is a projection at Edge, he’s always been an off-the-ball LB, but he’s probably a better fit outside in today’s NFL.

I would agree but his skill set would allow him to be versatile and used where they see best play to play. With his skillset its tantalizing to think of a AJ/Collins or parson/Chubb/Miller LB core....so much potential there.

[Simple Jaded]

I would agree but his skill set would allow him to be versatile and used where they see best play to play. With his skillset its tantalizing to think of a AJ/Collins or parson/Chubb/Miller LB core....so much potential there.

Jamie Collins from the Cheats comes to mind.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Parsons or Farley on D.

[Simple Jaded]

Good thing Case Rypien “won” that Jets game, it’d suck to have the 5th pick.

If I were GM Kendall Hinton would be backup QB.

[BroncoWave]

Good thing Case Rypien “won” that Jets game, it’d suck to have the 5th pick.

If I were GM Kendall Hinton would be backup QB.

If I were GM he'd be starting!

[Hawgdriver]

If I were GM he'd be starting!

Dude. Yes.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

3rd pass rusher besides Von and Chubb is a need next year. I am really intrigued by Zaven Collins from Tulsa and his scheme diversity and skillset, he is playmaker who can provide 3-4 pass rush but also play inside and be a upgrade over Jewell. I do think Harris comes back for a pretty decent amount, and there is solid reasoning to move on from Jurrell, but I'm not so sure we will. We have good cap, and will get more when Bouye is cut. I think Purcell, Shelby and Jurell is still the plan with Dre and maybe Agim for depth. When healthy we have a very good front seven and we showed this year we can still be solid if injuries happen.

We truly need agim and Dre to take giant steps forward next season.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

I would agree but his skill set would allow him to be versatile and used where they see best play to play. With his skillset its tantalizing to think of a AJ/Collins or parson/Chubb/Miller LB core....so much potential there.

Parson AJ and Chubb Miller would be an awesome front 7 to watch.

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Parsons or Farley on D.

Gotta go with Parsons and address CB in round 2 and other rounds. I think the impact Parsons would have on this defense is far greater than any other defender would have. If Parsons is gone of course it’s Surtain or Farley at 9 for me but yeah all 3 on the board I gotta go with Parsons

[elsid13]

if Denver goes with off ball LB I kinda leaning toward - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah

[Simple Jaded]

If I were GM he'd be starting!

That’s why you make the big bucks!

[Simple Jaded]

if Denver goes with off ball LB I kinda leaning toward - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah

Is this because you’re Assuming Parsons is gone or is this another “Parsons is not worthy of playing for my team cause he’s a ******* idiot”?

[Jeudy10Hamler1]

Is this because you’re Assuming Parsons is gone or is this another “Parsons is not worthy of playing for my team cause he’s a ******* idiot”?

I’m pretty sure it’s the latter.... smh people are really going to turn away from a elite inside backer because of some college locker room hazing that’s surely not going to fly in the NFL. Man I would take Parsons in a heart beat. This guy is gamer who has the ability to cover, stuff the run and a great rusher in blitzes! Oh and he just ran a 4.4 40 yard dash man! Good grief I hope he slips to 9 over this hazing crap so the broncos can have this generational talent at MLB.

[Elevation inc]

Hazing isn't why someone with his elite skills would come off my board, it may mean you need to make sure you have a strong locker room, but his talent is undeniable. There are some concerns about his toughness on blocks, but his Athleticism is otherworldy.....Parsons would be great here. I don't see how we pass on him, Farley or Horn and consider the draft a success....

[SmilinAssasSin27]

The writer of the article said there are a lot of issues with Parsons. I don't pretend to know anything beyond the hazing, but he made it sound there is worse stuff than that.

[Simple Jaded]

The writer of the article said there are a lot of issues with Parsons. I don't pretend to know anything beyond the hazing, but he made it sound there is worse stuff than that.

Is that the article that mentioned his agent recruiting?

It’s funny, I mentioned character concerns about a QB and it’s never been addressed on this MB.

[Simple Jaded]

Whatta ****** joke!

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Is that the article that mentioned his agent recruiting?

It’s funny, I mentioned character concerns about a QB and it’s never been addressed on this MB.

I don't remember reading that from the article. I linked it somewhere on the board. It didn't get into specifics. Just said he had a lot of concerns. I live in PA and haven't heard anything beyond the hazing so I have no idea what he'd be alluding to

[Simple Jaded]

I read that Parsons came off as a supreme doucher while looking for an agent.

[elsid13]

Is this because you’re Assuming Parsons is gone or is this another “Parsons is not worthy of playing for my team cause he’s a ******* idiot”?

More with what he is able to do on the field. I like Parson but I feel he fits more in 4/3 Will spot vs 3/4 Mike

[Simple Jaded]

More with what he is able to do on the field. I like Parson but I feel he fits more in 4/3 Will spot vs 3/4 Mike

Can’t agree.

Parsons is a universal fit, if he has the arm length teams will even talk about him at Edge rusher. Zaven Collins too.

Now JOK, IMO he’s the scheme specific one of this conversation, if there is a scheme specific one in this conversation (there isn’t).

[Simple Jaded]

Parsons
JOK
Browning
Collins
Cox
Jamil Davis
McGrone
Moses
Surratt

Denver might actually fix their ILB situation, at long last.

[Jsteve01]

Parsons was an edge his entire life and got moved to off ball linebacker at Penn State which just doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm evaluating him as an edge then it's a different conversation but I don't love his instincts in the middle. I'd rather have Browning or surratt. Oweh is also a guy that a lot of people are talking about but very rarely do you see someone with that physical skill set that produces almost nothing in college and then all of the sudden figures it out at the NFL level. Guys like dion jordan and Mingo and Chiasson even clowney come to mind.

[CoachChaz]

Parsons was an edge his entire life and got moved to off ball linebacker at Penn State which just doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm evaluating him as an edge then it's a different conversation but I don't love his instincts in the middle. I'd rather have Browning or surratt. Oweh is also a guy that a lot of people are talking about but very rarely do you see someone with that physical skill set that produces almost nothing in college and then all of the sudden figures it out at the NFL level. Guys like dion jordan and Mingo and Chiasson even clowney come to mind.

No prospect is perfect. Parsons was a bit of a hybrid at CD High, playing DE and OLB. But his versatility is what allowed PSU to move him to ILB. Now he is a guy that can play the run and the pass and rush the passer. Absolutely a guy that Fangio can get creative with. His biggest weaknesses against the run is that he sometimes over pursues, but that is something that is easily coached. Against the pass, his biggest weakness it the amount of times he had to drop into coverage. It wasn't something he had to do too much, but...when he did, he was highly successful. He's a guy that is capable of doing it all as an off ball linebacker, but in the absolutely worst case scenario...he's a replacement for Von down the road. I think he'd be amazing for this defense.

Oweh's biggest weakness is his lack of pass rush moves. ut that's more indicative of his lack of experience than anything else. 2020 was his first year as a starter, but if you look at his growth over the last few years...and combine it with his intabgibles...that's what has him as a top edge prospect. Watching the Indiana game alone, he could have had 5 or 6 sacks if he was a split second quicker to the QB. Little things like that, that can be coached into him at the next level. 2020 was his only year as a starter and even though the sack numbers weren't there...you could see he was on the verge of breaking out. Intangibles alone will warrant a late 1st/early 2nd grade on him. In the right system, he can have a lot of success.

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Parsons was an edge his entire life and got moved to off ball linebacker at Penn State which just doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm evaluating him as an edge then it's a different conversation but I don't love his instincts in the middle. I'd rather have Browning or surratt. Oweh is also a guy that a lot of people are talking about but very rarely do you see someone with that physical skill set that produces almost nothing in college and then all of the sudden figures it out at the NFL level. Guys like dion jordan and Mingo and Chiasson even clowney come to mind.

Parsons has 31 1/2” arm length, riddle solved, very few T-Rex pass rushers make much impact beating T’s 1-on-1.