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chazoe60
10-27-2019, 05:48 PM
Maybe this will be enough to make the organization go in a different direction. Maybe Lock will practice this week and play in a couple of weeks.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/10/joe-flacco-ripped-broncos-coaches-play-calling-loss-colts

chazoe60
10-27-2019, 05:50 PM
Here is part of Flacco's quote


"Who cares if they have a timeout there at the end or not?" Flacco said. "Getting in field-goal range isn't that tough. You're just putting your defense in these bad situations and I just felt like, what do we have to lose? Why can't we be aggressive in some of these situations? That's kind of how I feel about a lot of the game today."

MOtorboat
10-27-2019, 05:54 PM
https://twitter.com/lindsayjoytv/status/1188556170052722689?s=21

Nomad
10-27-2019, 05:56 PM
He'll still be starting the next 8 games.

Poet
10-27-2019, 06:01 PM
It's getting ugly.

We do almost everything wrong.

wayninja
10-27-2019, 06:06 PM
When someone who is playing as poorly as flacco is starting to throw coaches under the bus, you know your entire franchise is dysfunctional.

Cugel
10-27-2019, 06:12 PM
This should have some ramifications but I doubt it will. Flacco is the biggest reason they are 2-6. It ain't the play-calling that's the problem.

"Let's unleash Joe Flacco and let him win the damn game!" Yeah, that's a rallying cry that will get the Broncos to the playoffs. :rolleyes:

See, Joe, there are QBs who can throw up and down the field and be more "aggressive" because they are good. I know you think you are, but you are definitely not one of those QBs, Joe.

You're one of those QBs who can win if the rest of the team is really good and they don't have to throw more than 30 times in any game from running the snot out of the ball.

That's you Joe. The more you throw the more the chances of a game-ending pick. Cause that's how you play.

15226

Northman
10-27-2019, 06:14 PM
I stand behind Joe.

Poet
10-27-2019, 06:20 PM
I stand behind Joe.

He sucks, but he has a point.

Timmy!
10-27-2019, 06:21 PM
This should have some ramifications but I doubt it will. Flacco is the biggest reason they are 2-6. It ain't the play-calling that's the problem.

"Let's unleash Joe Flacco and let him win the damn game!" Yeah, that's a rallying cry that will get the Broncos to the playoffs. :rolleyes:

See, Joe, there are QBs who can throw up and down the field and be more "aggressive" because they are good. I know you think you are, but you are definitely not one of those QBs, Joe.

You're one of those QBs who can win if the rest of the team is really good and they don't have to throw more than 30 times in any game from running the snot out of the ball.

That's you Joe. The more you throw the more the chances of a game-ending pick. Cause that's how you play.

15226

No. Just no. Put the radio down.

Flacco has been D+. That isn't good, at all. However, he doesn't call the plays, or the scheme, or control the massive leaking ship that is the Oline. He isn't the solution, has been part of the problem, but I respect his balls in calling out cowardly play calling. Lock plz.

wayninja
10-27-2019, 06:24 PM
Right, but this just reads like "I'm not the only one who sucks!"

MOtorboat
10-27-2019, 06:29 PM
No. Just no. Put the radio down.

Flacco has been D+. That isn't good, at all. However, he doesn't call the plays, or the scheme, or control the massive leaking ship that is the Oline. He isn't the solution, has been part of the problem, but I respect his balls in calling out cowardly play calling. Lock plz.

In addition, let’s talk about the play called. Fine, it’s a run. They built this whole ******* team to run out of the I or the offset-I with a fullback and a tailback, then ******* do that in the critical moment. This team isn’t supposed to be a spread team, it’s not built like one. But in the most key moment of the game, that’s what you call?

The logic behind the play calling is just null. It needs to be called out.

Reminder: They ran a fake punt last week in which they ran a gunner in motion, thinking that wouldn’t tip off the fake. These offensive coaches are just clueless.

Poet
10-27-2019, 06:30 PM
Who hired these coaches?

Cugel
10-27-2019, 06:38 PM
No. Just no. Put the radio down.

Flacco has been D+. That isn't good, at all. However, he doesn't call the plays, or the scheme, or control the massive leaking ship that is the Oline. He isn't the solution, has been part of the problem, but I respect his balls in calling out cowardly play calling. Lock plz.

The cowardly play calling is trying to PROTECT Joe from himself. The way to limit Joe's interceptions is to make sure they run the ball as much as possible and do not rely on Joe Flacco throwing the ball to win. The less Joe Flacco throws the better.

So, his proposed solution "Let's get aggressive and let Joe throw it all over the field" is actually a terrible idea! That is why he is not a Raven people. They tried that over and over and it didn't work. Not at all.

You don't want your D+ QB throwing it all over the field. The more he tries that the more picks he will throw. It's math.

Timmy!
10-27-2019, 06:50 PM
The cowardly play calling is trying to PROTECT Joe from himself. The way to limit Joe's interceptions is to make sure they run the ball as much as possible and do not rely on Joe Flacco throwing the ball to win. The less Joe Flacco throws the better.

So, his proposed solution "Let's get aggressive and let Joe throw it all over the field" is actually a terrible idea! That is why he is not a Raven people. They tried that over and over and it didn't work. Not at all.

You don't want your D+ QB throwing it all over the field. The more he tries that the more picks he will throw. It's math.

Settle down Dmac. If they really wanted to do that they would call 3 running plays in a row, or kill the 5 and 7 step drops with an oline that has issues protecting on 3 step slants, not that we are smart enough 2 call them much, but still.

I'm all for seeing Lock, but if you really think Flacco is truly the issue I suggest booze. Lots of booze.

Shazam!
10-27-2019, 06:51 PM
First he shows 'No emotion' and he gets killed by the fan base.

NOW, he rightfully is critical of the Coaching staff, playcalling and OC... and hes getting killed.

Ok.

He calls out the Staff and rightfully so. Rich Scank was another mistake.

Poet
10-27-2019, 06:52 PM
First he shows 'No emotion' and he gets killed by the fan base.

NOW, he rightfully is critical of the Coaching staff, playcalling and OC... and hes getting killed.

Ok.

He calls out the Staff and rightfully so. Rich Scank was another mistake.

Fangio was a mistake.

wayninja
10-27-2019, 07:17 PM
Settle down Dmac. If they really wanted to do that they would call 3 running plays in a row, or kill the 5 and 7 step drops with an oline that has issues protecting on 3 step slants, not that we are smart enough 2 call them much, but still.

I'm all for seeing Lock, but if you really think Flacco is truly the issue I suggest booze. Lots of booze.

But booze is the problem. And the solution.

Poet
10-27-2019, 07:18 PM
I'm sad.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 07:39 PM
I’ve been trying booze for decades, it doesn’t make them play any better.

sneakers
10-27-2019, 07:59 PM
https://twitter.com/lindsayjoytv/status/1188556170052722689?s=21

he does have a point

aberdien
10-27-2019, 08:00 PM
Hate Joe with all of my heart but he is right and now I hope he is our QB forever.

Northman
10-27-2019, 08:07 PM
Hate Joe with all of my heart but he is right and now I hope he is our QB forever.

Dont want him forever as he has some serious issues playing like a 12 year rookie. BUT, he has a pair of balls to call out what i have perceived to be extremely weak coaching and justifiably so. At this stage this team should be playing with nothing to lose but our HC/OC still get cold feet and ultra conservative when we should be going for the throat win/lose/or draw.

Davii
10-27-2019, 08:08 PM
Hate Joe with all of my heart but he is right and now I hope he is our QB forever.

I'll agree with the first part and the middle part but not the end part.

aberdien
10-27-2019, 08:11 PM
I'll agree with the first part and the middle part but not the end part.

The end was the most reasonable part. I am hurt.

Poet
10-27-2019, 08:16 PM
I'm hurt and feel like lashing out. My misery is deepening.

I want to cuddle.

Denver Native (Carol)
10-27-2019, 08:25 PM
Phillip agrees - Can hear all he says on Troy's twitter


Troy Renck
‏Verified account @TroyRenck
42m42 minutes ago

#Broncos @I_CU_boy has Joe Flacco’s back regarding offensive playcalling: “We have to be more aggressive.” #Denver7

spikerman
10-27-2019, 08:28 PM
Sounds like the offense is fed up. Maybe not as much as the fans, but still, I’m glad they’re pissed.

Poet
10-27-2019, 08:30 PM
Sounds like the offense is fed up. Maybe not as much as the fans, but still, I’m glad they’re pissed.

I'm sure they're frustrated that the standard for them is to win at all costs while we ship off players, and have a lousy QB carousel.

Denver Native (Carol)
10-27-2019, 08:41 PM
Here is everything Joe said, and I agree with him

https://www.denverbroncos.com/video/flacco-discusses-broncos-15-13-loss-to-colts

Poet
10-27-2019, 08:44 PM
You know...I hated it when VJ called out Von Miller. So I don't know if I can consistently praise Joe for this. I won't bash him, though. Because I get it.

I have cognitive dissonance.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 09:06 PM
I'm hurt and feel like lashing out. My misery is deepening.

I want to cuddle.

Call Garett Bolles.

Poet
10-27-2019, 09:08 PM
Call Garett Bolles.

I'm the big spoon tho.

NightTerror218
10-27-2019, 09:12 PM
I love it. This team is run first burn clock and boring. They are not west coast run power house. They are just crap. They worst part is they re predictable. Fangio plays to not lose and depend on defense to bend not break. I hate it

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 09:14 PM
I'm the big spoon tho.

I believe you, make him yo bitch.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 09:15 PM
I love it. This team is run first burn clock and boring. They are not west coast run power house. They are just crap. They worst part is they re predictable. Fangio plays to not lose and depend on defense to bend not break. I hate it

I’m not putting the gutless nature of this offense on Fangio, he’s shown that he’s got a nice set of ballz ... sometimes to his detriment.

NightTerror218
10-27-2019, 09:16 PM
I’m not putting the gutless nature of this offense on Fangio, he’s shown that he’s got a nice set of ballz ... sometimes to his detriment.

I am because he wants a very specific offense to back his defense. Run heavy, burn the clock and do not turn over the ball. He does not have a put the ball in offenses hand bone in his body

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 09:18 PM
How about Bill Bedenbaugh? The Co-OC for the Sooners, an OL guru that could bring a more wide open mindset to calling plays.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 09:21 PM
I am because he wants a very specific offense to back his defense. Run heavy, burn the clock and do not turn over the ball. He does not have a put the ball in offenses hand bone in his body

If that’s true he’s not wrong, not with this offensive talent level.

I think Fangio would prefer an offense that can actually score, from just hearing him talk.

Dude, they can’t block, they can’t get open and they can’t gimmick it up with RPO’s.

NightTerror218
10-27-2019, 09:23 PM
If that’s true he’s not wrong, not with this offensive talent level.

I think Fangio would prefer an offense that can actually score, from just hearing him talk.

I bet as long as they control the ball and eat 5plus minutes off the clock or more

chazoe60
10-27-2019, 09:23 PM
I'm not saying I disagree with Flacco, just that I hope this is the impetus for his benching and seeing Allen for a game or two and Lock for the rest of the season.

Poet
10-27-2019, 09:27 PM
I’m not putting the gutless nature of this offense on Fangio, he’s shown that he’s got a nice set of ballz ... sometimes to his detriment.

He hired him. He hasn't fired him. He didn't override the call and say "No, we're playing to win." Jaded, even Marvin Lewis' bitch ass did that at times.

People should be pissed at Fangina more. He's literally coaching at the level of VJ. Arguably lower. VJ had a worse overall roster than Fangina and Fangina is giving us bullshit ass VJ records.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 09:29 PM
He hired him. He hasn't fired him. He didn't override the call and say "No, we're playing to win." Jaded, even Marvin Lewis' bitch ass did that at times.

People should be pissed at Fangina more. He's literally coaching at the level of VJ. Arguably lower. VJ had a worse overall roster than Fangina and Fangina is giving us bullshit ass VJ records.
Fangio is a dude, I know it.

Fight me!

Poet
10-27-2019, 09:42 PM
Fangio is a dude, I know it.

Fight me!

If like a HC whose defenses have consistently crumbled at the end of games, that register fewer sacks than they should, doesn't produce turnovers, then yeah, that's the boy.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 09:52 PM
If like a HC whose defenses have consistently crumbled at the end of games, that register fewer sacks than they should, doesn't produce turnovers, then yeah, that's the boy.

I choose you!

Poet
10-27-2019, 09:58 PM
I choose you!

Letting Paradis walk was a stupid move.

Todd Davis is elite.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 10:00 PM
Letting Paradis walk was a stupid move.

Todd Davis is elite.

Trade him then.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 10:01 PM
Notre Dame is gay ... I mean, lame.

Hawgdriver
10-27-2019, 10:01 PM
Letting Paradis walk was a stupid move.

Todd Davis is elite.

* e * l * i * t * e

Poet
10-27-2019, 10:02 PM
Notre Dame is gay ... I mean, lame.

You make more money than me, and you have a wonderful wife you loves you.

You win, sir. It's time for the King to abdicate the throne.

I yield.

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 10:03 PM
You make more money than me, and you have a wonderful wife you loves you.

You win, sir. It's time for the King to abdicate the throne.

I yield.
What the ****?

Get back here and throw down!

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 10:04 PM
Btw, I got fired on Tuesday, no way I make more money than you.

Denver Native (Carol)
10-27-2019, 10:04 PM
Troy Renck
‏Verified account @TroyRenck
35m35 minutes ago

Talked to several former and current #NFL players about this last week. Scheme matters. And having a feel for a game as an OC matters. Of course, talent is part of equation. But there is an art to calling a good game. #Denver7

Dapper Dan
10-27-2019, 10:06 PM
Do we have John Fox back already?

Poet
10-27-2019, 10:07 PM
What the ****?

Get back here and throw down!

No.

Dapper Dan
10-27-2019, 10:07 PM
Btw, I got fired on Tuesday, no way I make more money than you.

I got fired over the weekend. Wanna hang out?

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 10:08 PM
No.

Would you do it for a McRib?

Simple Jaded
10-27-2019, 10:09 PM
I got fired over the weekend. Wanna hang out?

**** yeah, let’s get drunk.

Poet
10-27-2019, 10:10 PM
Btw, I got fired on Tuesday, no way I make more money than you.

I'm sorry bro.

Dapper Dan
10-27-2019, 10:10 PM
**** yeah, let’s get drunk.

I had Jim and cola yesterday. So today I'm drinking Jim and cola.

Poet
10-27-2019, 10:11 PM
**** yeah, let’s get drunk.

I'm really depressed, lonely, and I think my dog is going to die soon.

Wanna be sad a **** together?

Because I can make a thread.


Carol, to get back on track, are there any reports of Scangs going to be fired?

Northman
10-27-2019, 10:40 PM
https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74906651_10211795841569894_6522676526452834304_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQkSClqek8ook60SG3H78uuveYuYj6ned6iC_RYP_xC cMevJnbZelJR8tRWWufLnH5Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&oh=7408330eac992c7b3b1586c296dbe312&oe=5E18D8F4

Bronco4ever
10-27-2019, 10:42 PM
I agree with Flacco but he should’ve gone a step farther. He should’ve ripped Elway for trading for him and for not having a capable backup to replace him. And admitted how terrible he is. Then I think Flacco’s comments would have been totally honest and complete.

dogfish
10-27-2019, 11:54 PM
I stand behind Joe.

hey, joe. . . watch out for your cornhole, bud!

Elevation inc
10-28-2019, 03:08 AM
I'm am perhaps Flacco's most vocal critic on this board. I hate him as a QB always have, this does nothing but rile me up even more at him because he is a big part of the problem. However I also give credit where its deserved and what he said is not wrong at all, and needed to be said.....

Valar Morghulis
10-28-2019, 03:24 AM
If flacco was intercepted by Rahim Moore he would already be out the league, or perhaps a back up journeyman, he dined out for years on one glorious superbowl run

Poet
10-28-2019, 03:35 AM
If flacco was intercepted by Rahim Moore he would already be out the league, or perhaps a back up journeyman, he dined out for years on one glorious superbowl run

He'd still be our starter. He is tall and we have an Elway.

WARHORSE
10-28-2019, 03:58 AM
I would rip the coaches too if I didnt want heat on my A**.

GEM
10-28-2019, 06:04 AM
https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74906651_10211795841569894_6522676526452834304_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQkSClqek8ook60SG3H78uuveYuYj6ned6iC_RYP_xC cMevJnbZelJR8tRWWufLnH5Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&oh=7408330eac992c7b3b1586c296dbe312&oe=5E18D8F4

My boss text me in the 4th quarter about the game...i told him i gave up at halftime because it was the most boring game I've ever seen. I just knew how it was going to end.

Jsteve01
10-28-2019, 08:32 AM
In addition, let’s talk about the play called. Fine, it’s a run. They built this whole ******* team to run out of the I or the offset-I with a fullback and a tailback, then ******* do that in the critical moment. This team isn’t supposed to be a spread team, it’s not built like one. But in the most key moment of the game, that’s what you call?

The logic behind the play calling is just null. It needs to be called out.

Reminder: They ran a fake punt last week in which they ran a gunner in motion, thinking that wouldn’t tip off the fake. These offensive coaches are just clueless.

I was a McMahon apologist last year but he is now hot garbage. And your point on running the most important play of the game out of spread is spot on.

Denver Native (Carol)
10-28-2019, 09:51 AM
Troy Renck
‏Verified account @TroyRenck
4h4 hours ago

#Broncos Joe Flacco was mad and didn’t hold back. Whether Scangarello is to blame or Fangio for going ultra conservative matters little. The Broncos went into a shell in the fourth quarter and it backfired #Denver7

ShaneFalco
10-28-2019, 10:47 AM
i skipped the game yesterday. i dont know if i should even watch it.

Was hoping Chad Kelly came out for the Colts in the 2nd half after a rousing locker room speech. But looking at the stat line... this did not happen

Rick
10-28-2019, 10:52 AM
I haven't really been watching the Broncos this season, been focusing on Hockey.

That said, I remembered an interview Rich had earlier this year and found it on the Mane where he said his offense wants to score on every play, wonder what happened to that mindset.

https://www.orangemane.com/forum/orange-mane-discussion/orange-mane-central-discussion/2482505-rich-scangarello-interview

ShaneFalco
10-28-2019, 10:54 AM
i think its weird a guy who quit on the team last week is now ripping the coaches this week.

Sign Kap.

ShaneFalco
10-28-2019, 11:00 AM
yo so i just listened to this.

Captain ******* checkdown talking about taking shots. loooooool

BroncoWave
10-28-2019, 11:30 AM
i skipped the game yesterday. i dont know if i should even watch it.

Was hoping Chad Kelly came out for the Colts in the 2nd half after a rousing locker room speech. But looking at the stat line... this did not happen

Players on the practice squad can't dress. For such a Kelly fanatic I'd think you'd know more about his status on the roster. But I guess not since you suggested we trade Sanders for a player that is available for us to just straight up sign off their PS.

Mike
10-28-2019, 12:13 PM
Phucko is another failure in a long, woeful list of failures by Elway. But Elway is the problem. He has driven the Broncos in to a shit-ton of wasted money trying to fix the QB spot and we are no closer today than we have ever been since Manning. Failure to fix the o-line, failure to find a qb, failure to re-sign talent, failure by signing injury-prone wastes of roster space. Elway owns this mess.

That said, I would cut phucko today and move on. He is my least favorite bronco ever.

Denver Native (Carol)
10-28-2019, 12:16 PM
KOA 850 AM & 94.1 FM Retweeted
Denver Broncos Radio
‏ @BroncosRadio
27m27 minutes ago

Fangio (cont) ... with some throws, and I'm really not talking about the last possession. I'm talking about all through the second half there that we could have probably thrown it some more times. But we didn't and it didn't work out so you expect this type of stuff."

KOA 850 AM & 94.1 FM Retweeted
Denver Broncos Radio
‏ @BroncosRadio
30m30 minutes ago

Just now on @KOAColorado, #Broncos HC Vic Fangio reaction to @JoeFlacco's postgame comments: "I'm sure he was expressing his frustrations at the time, we all were. Yeah, and in some ways he's right. We probably should have been more aggressive..."

SR
10-28-2019, 12:36 PM
Sounds like the locker room is lost.

dogfish
10-28-2019, 12:38 PM
I'm am perhaps Flacco's most vocal critic on this board. I hate him as a QB always have, this does nothing but rile me up even more at him because he is a big part of the problem. However I also give credit where its deserved and what he said is not wrong at all, and needed to be said.....

uhh. . . "perhaps??"

:rofl:





Just now on @KOAColorado, #Broncos HC Vic Fangio reaction to @JoeFlacco's postgame comments: "I'm sure he was expressing his frustrations at the time, we all were. Yeah, and in some ways he's right. We probably should have been more aggressive..."

okay, vic. . . this is your first year, and i can live with that. . . IF you learn from it, and fix it going forward. . . no reasonable person expected that you and your rookie staff wouldn't make mistakes. . . just show us some adaptability, some progress. . . don't keep making the same mistakes. . .


honestly, i know nobody really wants to hear it, but i still think i had valid reasons to feel that they should have given vance one more year with some better coordinators, rather than starting over with another green coaching staff. . . there's value to continuity-- and a huge toll on your organization when you don't have it. . .

does anyone honestly think VJ couldn't have coached us to 2-6? eh, whatever. . . we got fangio now. . . and i still think he's a brighter, better coach, and i actually love most of the staff outside of scangarello. . . he, unfortunately, looks like a real problem ATM. . . which blows. . . i despise the idea of replacing yet another OC. . . but, my god! if he can't do any better than this, they may be forced to. . . i did at least think he showed a few promising signs yesterday, in the early going. . . they got sutton involved, and did generate a couple modest chunk plays. . . they used play action on first down, rather than run-run-pass every damn time. . . they got fant going also, and did some creative stuff with deontae spencer. . . i thought it was progress. . .

then they completely turtled late, and gave it away. . . no way to know if that was vic or rich, but either way they need to do better. . . if it's fangio, he needs to wake up, and accept that in the modern NFL, no defense is nasty enough to just squat on a one point lead. . . if it was scangs, then vic needs to let him know in no uncertain terms that he's coaching for his job from here on out-- so don't hold anything back. . . you got nothin' to lose, let 'er rip. . . the team played hard and didn't quit-- the coaches need to give them a chance to win the game. . . right now, coaching and QB play are by far the biggest factors in our sorry ass record, IMO. . .

Slick
10-28-2019, 12:49 PM
Even if they were to fire Scangarello, what bright, up and coming, young offensive coordinator is going to want to come to Denver?

They’ll be saddled with a terrible offensive line, very few weapons, and an organization who seems to be content to paying big money to veteran QBS on the downside of their careers and not developing/willing to take the lumps that starting a young QB comes with.

I don’t think I’ve ever been this disappointed in this team for as long as I’ve been a fan.

MasterShake
10-28-2019, 12:50 PM
This season is so weird. I like Vic Fangio so far, I don't know why but short of an epic meltdown that goes into next season I have no problem with him as the head coach. Scangarillo seems to have flashes but I can't tell if the players just aren't executing or its the play-calling or the offensive line. Hell, its probably all three. The thing is I can live with all of these growing pains if Elway and co. were just honest that we are rebuilding while we are trying to win. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

We are halfway through the season and I've seen enough of our best shot. I would be happier seeing what Drew Lock has with our young offensive core around him getting used to each other. At the very least we could see if we need to use our good draft pick on a QB next year for sure or go O-line. I loved what Sanders did for us but I don't miss him. And while it would suck to lose Chris Harris Jr. and Wolfe I'd rather hoard draft picks and send them away and let us to continue to build something new. The only player I want to stick around is Von as I can see him and Chubb having some good seasons together before he is done, and getting an extension on Justin Simmons is probably a good idea.

Other than that? Lets get these guys out there and assess our needs and build it up from there. Super Bowl 50 might as well be a million years ago, I'm ready for something new. There are no glory days to hold onto right now and we are just building a culture of losing. Lets build something fun and entertaining instead and go down swinging. I'd rather lose with Lock or next years pick then win with Flacco because he has nothing to do with our future.

Rick
10-28-2019, 01:01 PM
Bottom line they need to fix the offensive line #1.

Fans got what they wanted, they wanted a young offensive mind to lead the offense that is from the "innovative" trees.

The one everyone wanted the most, Taylor, his offense is actually 1 point less than the Broncos.

They need to fix that line. Easier said than done.

Jaws
10-28-2019, 01:10 PM
Troy Renck
‏Verified account @TroyRenck
4h4 hours ago

#Broncos Joe Flacco was mad and didn’t hold back. Whether Scangarello is to blame or Fangio for going ultra conservative matters little. The Broncos went into a shell in the fourth quarter and it backfired #Denver7

Scangarello and Fangio are real Halloween sounding names and this team is pure horror!

MOtorboat
10-28-2019, 01:12 PM
Fans got what they wanted, they wanted a young offensive mind to lead the offense that is from the "innovative" trees.

Quit saying this. It isn’t true.

Scangarello is almost 50 and toiled in I-AA football for almost 20 years until he somehow found his way onto the Atlanta coaching staff and then as a QB coach in San Francisco. He’d never called plays in the NFL until he got to Denver, and the highest level he’d called plays on isn’t even the highest level of college football.

MasterShake
10-28-2019, 01:14 PM
https://i.imgur.com/CEA6BDV.jpg

BroncoWave
10-28-2019, 01:16 PM
Meh, you can probably find a screenshot that looks like that on every play. Stop crying, Wolfe.

MasterShake
10-28-2019, 01:17 PM
Meh, you can probably find a screenshot that looks like that on every play. Stop crying, Wolfe.

Meant to put it in the gameday thread but its a symptom of how bad we are right now. Awful missed call but there was so much before that we could've done to win.

SR
10-28-2019, 01:21 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't really care about this dumpster fire anymore?

Northman
10-28-2019, 01:23 PM
he two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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Eh, i think it does honestly. Hear me out.

I think Elway has kind of already stated he wants to win which is why he went and got Flacco. The problem is, he isnt committing to one thing and its very disorganized and in disarray. Unlike when he got Manning where he went and got guys like Ward, Talib, Ware, etc he hasnt made the same commitment to Flacco in that regard and its creating issues in terms of support. Even at the coaching level Manning was afforded guys like Fox and Kubes who have experience in the HC arena. But John has tied Flacco's hands behind his back while trying to approach it the same way verbally.

This isnt to say that Flacco can even sniff Manning's jock, thats not the point here. The issue is John hasnt committed to either going young (at all levels) and then taking the lumps while trying to win (much like the Rams or Eagles) but has tried to patchwork a vet QB or average journeyman QB's with young players while letting go of the other vets who could/would bring leadership and experience while trying to win championships.

I think most fans would be fine with the growing pains of having a couple of poor seasons if John would just allow all the young players to grow with the inexperienced coaching staff. But he isnt committing to any one part of it and thus leads to inadequate expectations while disallowing (in our case) a young QB to get the necessary reps and experience even if we arent winning ballgames. Add in the fact that John seems to be reaching for projects and having more misses than hits with his draft choices it has lead us to this point where some fans (me to be truthful) to become impatient with the rebuilding process.

At this point i just want John to be honest and quit trying to plug holes where they really dont need to be. Flacco isnt the type of guy to groom any QB, that was evident in Bmore with Jackson. But Flacco also doesnt have the support from a coaching standpoint nor from any other veteran leadership to carry us to a SB let alone the playoffs.

BroncoWave
10-28-2019, 01:23 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't really care about this dumpster fire anymore?

My apathy fully set in after the KC game.

Northman
10-28-2019, 01:25 PM
Meh, you can probably find a screenshot that looks like that on every play. Stop crying, Wolfe.

He's not wrong though and as much as Bolles gets blasted for his holding penalties it would be nice for the officials to at least be consistent.

Northman
10-28-2019, 01:26 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't really care about this dumpster fire anymore?

As far as this season no. The more losses the better at this point but if we cant take advantage come draft time it wont matter in the long run either. We have to be able to make it count when it matters so this team can get better.

BroncoWave
10-28-2019, 01:27 PM
He's not wrong though and as much as Bolles gets blasted for his holding penalties it would be nice for the officials to at least be consistent.

Meh. I'm sure they missed calls that helped us in the game too. That's not why we lost.

Northman
10-28-2019, 01:29 PM
Meh. I'm sure they missed calls that helped us in the game too. That's not why we lost.

Yea, the Von Miller whiff really sucked.

BroncoWave
10-28-2019, 01:32 PM
Yea, the Von Miller whiff really sucked.

Yep. They had a chance to make a play and didn't.

GEM
10-28-2019, 02:42 PM
And now he got benched for it. Neck injury, uh huh. Seems like he was just fine during the press conference.

Poet
10-28-2019, 04:08 PM
Quit saying this. It isn’t true.

Scangarello is almost 50 and toiled in I-AA football for almost 20 years until he somehow found his way onto the Atlanta coaching staff and then as a QB coach in San Francisco. He’d never called plays in the NFL until he got to Denver, and the highest level he’d called plays on isn’t even the highest level of college football.

Yeah, the fans got the exact opposite of what they wanted.

We got saddled with a defensive guru who needed a looooong time before he got his first head coaching gig. Maybe it would turn out like Mike Zimmer, who was in the league forever but could barely get a HC interview, let alone a job for such a long time. Thus far, it has not. It's like we got a worn down version of John ******* Fox, but without the Carolina years. Maybe it'll change. I doubt it greatly. Scangs is what someone in Denver wanted. Maybe it was John. Maybe it was Vic. Maybe both. Whoever it was didn't pick an inspired young bright guy.

MOtorboat
10-28-2019, 04:30 PM
Yeah, the fans got the exact opposite of what they wanted.

We got saddled with a defensive guru who needed a looooong time before he got his first head coaching gig. Maybe it would turn out like Mike Zimmer, who was in the league forever but could barely get a HC interview, let alone a job for such a long time. Thus far, it has not. It's like we got a worn down version of John ******* Fox, but without the Carolina years. Maybe it'll change. I doubt it greatly. Scangs is what someone in Denver wanted. Maybe it was John. Maybe it was Vic. Maybe both. Whoever it was didn't pick an inspired young bright guy.

In 2016 he was the OC for a 6-5 FCS Wagner team.

Simple Jaded
10-28-2019, 05:57 PM
Meh, you can probably find a screenshot that looks like that on every play. Stop crying, Wolfe.

If that’s Bolles they call it 90% of the time, they never call it for Von Miller ... Bolles and Wolfe aren’t wrong.

BroncoWave
10-28-2019, 06:08 PM
If that’s Bolles they call it 90% of the time, they never call it for Von Miller ... Bolles and Wolfe aren’t wrong.

So what? There were a million things we could have done better in that game. Finding one isolated screenshot where you can blame the refs is lame and a loser move. Maybe Wolfe needs to worry more about his own play and less about things he can't control.

Simple Jaded
10-28-2019, 06:19 PM
So what? There were a million things we could have done better in that game. Finding one isolated screenshot where you can blame the refs is lame and a loser move. Maybe Wolfe needs to worry more about his own play and less about things he can't control.

That’s an exaggeration and you know it ... it’s probably closer to a half million things they have done better.

BroncoWave
10-28-2019, 06:22 PM
That’s an exaggeration and you know it ... it’s probably closer to a half million things they have done better.

Fair.

ShaneFalco
10-29-2019, 02:01 AM
Players on the practice squad can't dress. For such a Kelly fanatic I'd think you'd know more about his status on the roster. But I guess not since you suggested we trade Sanders for a player that is available for us to just straight up sign off their PS.

Chad Kelly doesnt need to dress for games. The Game Dresses Chad Kelly.

Poet
10-29-2019, 02:03 AM
Chad Kelly doesnt need to dress for games. The Game Dresses Chad Kelly.

So Chad Kelly needs help getting dressed?

Elevation inc
10-29-2019, 02:23 AM
uhh. . . "perhaps??"

:rofl:





Why you........... :lol: :lol: :lol:

dogfish
10-29-2019, 12:27 PM
So Chad Kelly needs help getting dressed?

too dumb to tie his shoes-- the trainer has to do it for him. . .

Davii
10-29-2019, 12:44 PM
So Chad Kelly needs help getting dressed?

And he wears dresses while sitting on other people's couches

Mike
10-29-2019, 12:48 PM
too dumb to tie his shoes-- the trainer has to do it for him. . .

It would probably help if he went to the right house.

SR
10-29-2019, 12:53 PM
And he wears dresses while sitting on other people's couches

You're jealous he didn't sit on your...couch.

Davii
10-29-2019, 01:08 PM
You're jealous he didn't sit on your...couch.

As if. Gawd.

Simple Jaded
10-29-2019, 10:45 PM
Chad Kelly doesnt need to dress for games. The Game Dresses Chad Kelly.

You don’t need to get dressed to beat your meat on a strangers couch.

Simple Jaded
10-29-2019, 10:46 PM
Choke your chicken.
Bomp your bologna.

Drop the kids off at the pool.

Poet
10-30-2019, 12:13 AM
Was it confirmed he was doing that act on the couch?

Simple Jaded
10-30-2019, 12:32 AM
Was it confirmed he was doing that act on the couch?

Define “confirmed”?

Poet
10-30-2019, 12:34 AM
Define “confirmed”?

What source said he was.

Simple Jaded
11-08-2019, 06:26 PM
What source said he was.

Then no.

Cugel
11-08-2019, 07:15 PM
Then no.

Now that didn't happen. He was just hammered, went into the wrong house. Sat on the couch and tried to go to sleep. Dude beat him out the house with a metal vacuum hose so he got up and left. Wandered up and down the street for a while trying to figure out how to get back to the party.

The cops showed up and arrested him. On the other hand, I wasn't there.

I think I like your version of events better actually. :eek:

Valar Morghulis
11-09-2019, 04:09 AM
Choke your chicken.
Bomp your bologna.

Drop the kids off at the pool.

Dropping your kids off at the pool...... I thought that meant to have a shit

I must be wrong

Or you are saying he had a shit on the couch and washed it down with a cheeky wee wank chaser

Simple Jaded
11-10-2019, 11:38 AM
Dropping your kids off at the pool...... I thought that meant to have a shit

I must be wrong

Or you are saying he had a shit on the couch and washed it down with a cheeky wee wank chaser
It means taking a shit, but you’re also dropping millions of kids in the toilet.