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Buff
03-11-2019, 08:16 PM
Per Klis - three year deal.

https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/1105274485597396992

https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/1105274999647043586

DenBronx
03-11-2019, 08:17 PM
We definitely need help there. Looks like Roby will be gone.

dogfish
03-11-2019, 08:19 PM
smiley, your moment has arrived, man. . .

Buff
03-11-2019, 08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/TroyRenck/status/1105276498129244160

Hawgdriver
03-11-2019, 08:22 PM
3/33

dogfish
03-11-2019, 08:23 PM
23 million guaranteed? gawd damn!

SmilinAssasSin27
03-11-2019, 08:24 PM
smiley, your moment has arrived, man. . .

Can't force it. This isn't the one.

Hawgdriver
03-11-2019, 08:25 PM
Can't force it. This isn't the one.

Nah. But it's a defensible signing.

SmilinAssasSin27
03-11-2019, 08:25 PM
Klis also stating we are in on James. This would be a good duo to start with. Safety/CB and OT are huge needs for us.

VonDoom
03-11-2019, 08:25 PM
I like it. And we were desperate for a CB. Good player

Hawgdriver
03-11-2019, 08:26 PM
If this is the big splash, I'll be sad. Super solid CB, justified price, desperate need.

GEM
03-11-2019, 08:26 PM
:yawn: Is this the big splash?

Hawgdriver
03-11-2019, 08:27 PM
Enhances Chubb/Miller. Inside dline pressure would be nice, any targets left there? I'm writing off Mosely.

Shazam!
03-11-2019, 08:30 PM
He must suck like all Elway acquisitions














;)

SmilinAssasSin27
03-11-2019, 08:31 PM
I wouldn't be mad at KJ Wright if Mosley is too pricey

DenBronx
03-11-2019, 08:31 PM
13829


A live look at Elway making a SPLASH

VonDoom
03-11-2019, 08:33 PM
Versatile and can tackle, which Fangio specifically emphasized in DBs.

Buff
03-11-2019, 08:34 PM
If this is the big splash, I'll be sad. Super solid CB, justified price, desperate need.


:yawn: Is this the big splash?

What exactly were you expecting with our cap space? He was one of the better DBs available - need DB and an OL desperately -- not a lot of wiggle room to get cute at other positions. Solid addition if not super glamorous.

GEM
03-11-2019, 08:35 PM
What exactly were you expecting with our cap space? He was one of the better DBs available - need DB and an OL desperately -- not a lot of wiggle room to get cute at other positions. Solid addition if not super glamorous.

I wanted Mosley. Vic needs LBers. Jewell, Davis and some other dude, blah.

MOtorboat
03-11-2019, 08:37 PM
Like it.

slim
03-11-2019, 08:37 PM
"big splashes" are fools gold. You need good players/good value.

This is a good start. I've always thought Kareem was a solid player.

SmilinAssasSin27
03-11-2019, 08:37 PM
Raiders made a subpar OT the highest paid ever at the position and paid big for a diva WR over the age of 30. I'm fine with our patience.

Buff
03-11-2019, 08:39 PM
I wanted Mosley. Vic needs LBers.
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Mosley is a 4 time all pro luxury we can't afford when there are teams with $80 and $100 million of space and we're sitting there with $35 and gaping holes at DB and OL. But that would have been pretty sweet - I'll give you that.

GEM
03-11-2019, 08:41 PM
Mosly is a 4 time all pro luxury we can't afford when there are teams with $80 and $100 million of space and we're sitting there with $35 and gaping holes at DB and OL. But that would have been pretty sweet - I'll give you that.

Yes, I knew it was out when other lb signed the big deal. I'm not upset with the pick and don't not like the cb/s, but Vic's system seems to be run around fast lbers and we're already behind the 8 ball.

slim
03-11-2019, 08:41 PM
Raiders made a subpar OT the highest paid ever at the position and paid big for a diva WR over the age of 30. I'm fine with our patience.

It's like us with Leary. It looks good walking off the bus, then two years later you have no good way to get out from under a bad contact for a player that underperformed.

DenBronx
03-11-2019, 08:42 PM
Raiders made a subpar OT the highest paid ever at the position and paid big for a diva WR over the age of 30. I'm fine with our patience.


They traded away one of the NFLs best defensive players, a very young talented WR and got a diva in return.

Mack/Cooper > Brown

Change my mind

chazoe60
03-11-2019, 08:42 PM
We've signed the CB, looking at the OT

Does this mean the draft is between White and Lock, whichever may be available?

SmilinAssasSin27
03-11-2019, 08:43 PM
The talking heads say he was the #5 rated CB last season. Harris was #4. He rarely misses time. I'll allow it

DenBronx
03-11-2019, 08:44 PM
So is Greedy now off the table come draft day?

SmilinAssasSin27
03-11-2019, 08:45 PM
So is Greedy now off the table come draft day?

If the word that tackling is mandatory for Fangio is true...he was never on the table

DenBronx
03-11-2019, 08:48 PM
The talking heads say he was the #5 rated CB last season. Harris was #4. He rarely misses time. I'll allow it


He plays multiple DB positions. IMO, he’s definitely better than Roby but no spring chicken. Still, he should be a good option for 3 years.

So sick of these TEs burning us. Still need another S and LB.

slim
03-11-2019, 08:50 PM
I really like this signing.

Would you Sissymarys stop bitching for two seconds so I can enjoy this?

DenBronx
03-11-2019, 08:50 PM
Can we beg the Bears and get Danny T back? Pleeeez

SmilinAssasSin27
03-11-2019, 08:55 PM
The thing about this signing is that it almost fixes the secondary...or at least gives us the flexibility to draft the BPA when the time comes. We have a few players. They are just a step behind where they need to be. Now they all slide down 1 spot. Yiadom isn't the answer right now at #2 CB. But as the #3? I could deal with that. Same with the Safety position if we use him there

slim
03-11-2019, 08:59 PM
The thing about this signing is that it almost fixes the secondary. We have a few players. They are just a step behind where they need to be. Now they all slide down 1 spot. Yiadom isn't the answer right now at #2 CB. But as the #3? I could deal with that.

For sure.

We probably need some veteran depth at safety, but that will come in time.

Hawgdriver
03-11-2019, 09:01 PM
For sure.

We probably need some veteran depth at safety, but that will come in time.

Even running Parks out again isn't the end of the world. Makes ILB that much more important though.

slim
03-11-2019, 09:05 PM
Even running Parks out again isn't the end of the world. Makes ILB that much more important though.

I'm okay with Parks, but it feels like we need a security blanket there. I suppose Kareem can be that blanket in a pinch, but there are a lot of really good safeties available.

SmilinAssasSin27
03-11-2019, 09:09 PM
We can afford 3 to 4 strong pieces and pay for our draft picks. James and Amos or a MLB can solve a lot of problems.

Denver Native (Carol)
03-11-2019, 09:24 PM
Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
1h1 hour ago

Kareem Jackson the type of tackler Vic Fangio loves from his defensive backs. He may play safety for the Broncos. Also plays nickel and outside zone corner (Fangio plays a lot of zone coverage) #9sports

VonDoom
03-11-2019, 09:25 PM
https://twitter.com/mikeklis/status/1105292936994942977?s=21

Denver Native (Carol)
03-11-2019, 09:27 PM
Troy Renck
‏Verified account @TroyRenck
55m55 minutes ago

And #Broncos still trying to get another player as well. Maybe a WR like Tate, but tackle ja'wuan James would be even better. They almost acquired him last year

Timmy!
03-11-2019, 09:34 PM
Solid.

Davii
03-11-2019, 10:11 PM
They traded away one of the NFLs best defensive players, a very young talented WR and got a diva in return.

Mack/Cooper > Brown

Change my mind

No. I won't.

OrangeHoof
03-12-2019, 12:13 AM
Jackson is terrific as run support, particularly for his slender size. He's better than he used to be but he's still a hanky magnet on pass defense, especially on big downs. That's why I think Romeo Crennel tried to convert him into a safety where he would be in coverage less often.

Elevation inc
03-12-2019, 03:33 AM
Another good signing, We finally got another CB that likes to tackle and break-up passes. Another contract that scares me, but fits in with current market. I also think his versatility is a huge asset, when Harris went down for example we had to play Justin Simmons in the slot for Christ's sakes, Now we have another CB we can move around who is a good player and who can play in just about any scheme, which is a big part on Fangio's defense.

This with James was a good night for JFE, and he needed to do something and he has at 2 of our biggest positions of need. I really don't think safety was ever a big need for us in FA.....I think we cut Stewart because they want Simmons and Parks to be full time, and I also think they believe a lot was scheme and coaching related last year.

I expect another CB in rds. 1-4 of the draft....they were poking around a lot of the 2nd rd. corners in this draft and feel its a pretty deep class.

CoachChaz
03-12-2019, 08:17 AM
Another good signing, We finally got another CB that likes to tackle and break-up passes. Another contract that scares me, but fits in with current market. I also think his versatility is a huge asset, when Harris went down for example we had to play Justin Simmons in the slot for Christ's sakes, Now we have another CB we can move around who is a good player and who can play in just about any scheme, which is a big part on Fangio's defense.

This with James was a good night for JFE, and he needed to do something and he has at 2 of our biggest positions of need. I really don't think safety was ever a big need for us in FA.....I think we cut Stewart because they want Simmons and Parks to be full time, and I also think they believe a lot was scheme and coaching related last year.

I expect another CB in rds. 1-4 of the draft....they were poking around a lot of the 2nd rd. corners in this draft and feel its a pretty deep class.

Oruwariye. Great in zone schemes and loves to tackle

HORSEPOWER 56
03-12-2019, 08:56 AM
I like the signing. I was also hoping we’d have the inside track on Amos but it looks like he’s going to the Packers. Collins, Mattheiu, Amos off the board - are there any other FA Safeties worth a look?

Elevation inc
03-12-2019, 08:59 AM
Oruwariye. Great in zone schemes and loves to tackle

I do like him a lot, as well as Love from ND and Rock Ya-sin from Temple.....Oruwariye killed it at the combine to I thought.

Elevation inc
03-12-2019, 09:02 AM
I like the signing. I was also hoping we’d have the inside track on Amos but it looks like he’s going to the Packers. Collins, Mattheiu, Amos off the board - are there any other FA Safeties worth a look?

The next Tier is probably Clayton Geathers, Tre Boston, Ha Ha Clinton dix and then maybe Tashun Gipson. I'm not sure I would worry about any of them after what just happened to the safety market. I like Simmons at FS and Parks at SS, with Fangio and a better scheme.

CoachChaz
03-12-2019, 09:05 AM
I like the signing. I was also hoping we’d have the inside track on Amos but it looks like he’s going to the Packers. Collins, Mattheiu, Amos off the board - are there any other FA Safeties worth a look?

My opinion...we already got our safety in Jackson. Yeah, he can play corner, but he's 31 and should really be trending towards that safety spot. I think at this point in his career, that's the best option. That said, I pray Yiadom makes strides and we can get a solid corner in the draft.

nevcraw
03-12-2019, 09:32 AM
Yeah they still need 2 more corners. Wouldn’t be surprised if that is 1st pick.

Elevation inc
03-12-2019, 09:38 AM
Yeah they still need 2 more corners. Wouldn’t be surprised if that is 1st pick.

I think for us to draft a CB at 10. Baker and Murphy need to have amazing pro days. Neither one ran well or did that great in drills at the combine. They both have strong tape and production however. So if they have good pro days or their visit with us goes well(if we bring them in), then I could see CB still be the pick at 10.

CoachChaz
03-12-2019, 10:09 AM
Perfect world, we could move some money around and make room for a Callahan signing...but I won't hold my breath.

G_Money
03-12-2019, 11:13 AM
Oruwariye. Great in zone schemes and loves to tackle

Coach likes Oruwariye too. Now I feel better about mocking him to Denver. *wipes brow&*

nevcraw
03-12-2019, 01:30 PM
Hey who breakdown the difference in vic’s Scheme for corners versus wades? I’ve heard the corners o]in Vic’s aren’t required to do as much? No as much man? Anyone know more?

Buff
03-12-2019, 01:47 PM
Hey who breakdown the difference in vic’s Scheme for corners versus wades? I’ve heard the corners o]in Vic’s aren’t required to do as much? No as much man? Anyone know more?

A lot more zone coverage under Vic is what we've been led to believe... Wade liked to put his corners on an island and emphasize M2M. With zone schemes, having a veteran who knows what they're doing is a lot more valuable than a plug & plan man specialist. And in theory, both Harris and Jackson can play inside and outside, so they can disguise more.

CoachChaz
03-12-2019, 01:48 PM
Hey who breakdown the difference in vic’s Scheme for corners versus wades? I’ve heard the corners o]in Vic’s aren’t required to do as much? No as much man? Anyone know more?

He runs more of a zone scheme, but there will be plenty of press as well and of course...corners need to be able to tackle. So, bigger corners that can jam at the line, but still have the ability to drop into zone.

underrated29
03-12-2019, 02:49 PM
From what I have heard he likes our guys to dog. So they play man for the first like 10 yards ish, then break into zone after that. Not always, but often.

SmilinAssasSin27
03-12-2019, 03:16 PM
Sign Callahan
Draft Lonnie Johnson out of Kentucky
Call it a day

Ziggy
03-12-2019, 04:14 PM
My opinion...we already got our safety in Jackson. Yeah, he can play corner, but he's 31 and should really be trending towards that safety spot. I think at this point in his career, that's the best option. That said, I pray Yiadom makes strides and we can get a solid corner in the draft.

If we signed Jackson to play safety at 11 per in the twilight of his career and passed up on Amos at 9 per coming into his prime, something is seriously wrong with this front office.

CoachChaz
03-12-2019, 04:30 PM
If we signed Jackson to play safety at 11 per in the twilight of his career and passed up on Amos at 9 per coming into his prime, something is seriously wrong with this front office.

Well...they are going to use him at corner, but he fits into more of a CB/S hybrid role at this point. If it were me, I'd still look at a corner early in the draft for this reason as well as the fact Jackson is 31 and Harris is about to turn 30.

Denver Native (Carol)
03-12-2019, 04:59 PM
Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
6m6 minutes ago

Details of Kareem Jackson 3-year, $33M contract:
2019: $9Mil signing bonus; $3M salary, $12 million total (fully guaranteed)
2020: $11Mil salary (fully guaranteed)
2021: Option year, $10 million salary (not guaranteed) to be exercised prior to end of 2020 league year. #9sports

tomjonesrocks
03-12-2019, 07:09 PM
No. I won't.

I agree and don’t know why everyone in the media is so steadfast the Steelers got fleeced. AB is arguably the biggest headcase in the NFL and is pretty close to the same age as Demaryius Thomas and Dez Bryant. I’d worry about CTE with him for sure - based on the Burfict hit alone.

North of 30 elite WRs aren’t that common. And he’s taken some -spectacularly- awful hits in his career.

Seems risky as hell to me 3rd and 5th or not.

On this signing Texans fans seem to really like the guy from my informal research - seems like a heady, likable player who can bring the wood but has lost a little speed to Father Time. So, a quality veteran safety.

dogfish
03-13-2019, 06:52 PM
Jackson, who played cornerback and safety during his final season with the Texans, doesn’t yet have a defined position.

“That’s yet to be determined,” Fangio said. “Once we get the team here and start working out — that’s one of his strong suits, he can play corner, safety, nickel — we’ll use him where we most need him or that best fits him.”

https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/john-elway-vic-fangio-bring-in-guys-that-we-all-liked-in-first-wave-of-free-agen

MOtorboat
03-13-2019, 08:22 PM
https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/john-elway-vic-fangio-bring-in-guys-that-we-all-liked-in-first-wave-of-free-agen

Hopefully they define it by matchups. So, basically, no definition of position.

Simple Jaded
03-13-2019, 10:50 PM
Byron Murphy at 10, can play in any scheme and excel. They might be able to trade back a bit and get a CB in 1st round.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/byron-murphy

Jsteve01
03-14-2019, 11:18 AM
Byron Murphy at 10, can play in any scheme and excel. They might be able to trade back a bit and get a CB in 1st round.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/byron-murphy

I like Baker better. And I'm just not at all sold on greedy. LSU DBS are definitely boom-or-bust type

Davii
03-14-2019, 02:21 PM
I like Baker better. And I'm just not at all sold on greedy. LSU DBS are definitely boom-or-bust type

What about their LBs?

Jsteve01
03-15-2019, 07:28 AM
Other than Mingo and Minter i cant think of any....point taken lol

Simple Jaded
03-15-2019, 02:32 PM
Other than Mingo and Minter i cant think of any....point taken lol

Deion Jones, Kwon Alexander, Duke Riley.

Simple Jaded
03-15-2019, 02:33 PM
I like Baker better. And I'm just not at all sold on greedy. LSU DBS are definitely boom-or-bust type


I don’t get the Baker hype, tbh, he looks like a scrappy middle rounder to me.