Joe Flacco is now a Bronco

[broncofaninfla]

Per Shefter Flacco has been traded to the Broncos.

[VonDoom]

Why?????

[VonDoom]

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1095716419201843200?s=21

[broncofaninfla]

Trade terms can not be released until after March 13. Sure hope Denver didn't trade much for him. Fangio knows Flacco well so I imagine he played a part in making this happen.

[VonDoom]

Things were going so well this offseason and now this happens

[Nomad]

I’ll give it a chance with Scangerello.

[VonDoom]

https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1095718741109850113?s=21

[broncofaninfla]

Why????? My first words exactly. Sure hope the change of scenery helps bring his play back up to what the Broncos need.

[Dapper Dan]

Well this is interesting.

[Northman]

Please someone wake me from this nightmare

[Northman]

I guess this means Case is gone? Hopefully.

[Mike]

FML. WTF is Elway thinking?

[broncofaninfla]

I guess this means Case is gone? Hopefully.

I'm guessing so. The Broncos will still be on the books for $7 but still cheaper than what it would have cost to keep him.

[wayninja]

We couldn't have just burned the stadium to the ground, salted the earth, and sold ourselves into slavery instead?

[Northman]

FML. WTF is Elway thinking?

Im guessing he may draft Lock to sit behind Flacco for a year or so. If that is the case than we better improve the Oline because Flacco has no mobility whatsoever.

[nevcraw]

Case Keenum in lifts.

[VonDoom]

We keep going the band aid route at QB. I thought after Fangio’s comments last week that we recognized this as a bad idea

[broncofaninfla]

Shefter is reporting it will likely be a mid round pick

[Shazam!]

Elway better get a young QB.

[broncofaninfla]

One thing I do like about it is Denver will likely not draft a QB at the 10 spot. Flacco is likely the bridge option at QB until Denver drafts a young buck in 2019 or 2020

[wayninja]

Elway better get a young QB.

I highly doubt we draft an old QB.

[VonDoom]

Shefter is reporting it will likely be a mid round pick

Yeah we have two fourth rounders so it’s likely one of those. Effectively you could say we traded DT for Flacco!

[Elevation inc]

This is stupid...seriously the only difference between Keenum and Flacco is that Flacco has a stronger arm. However he is a doosh of a person and malcontent and middling QB just like Keenum....This doesn't make us better just more in debt to shitty middle road Qb's....its f'in stupid and doesn't give me good hopes about the new plan....

[broncofaninfla]

Klis is saying it'll likely be a 4th round pick

[Northman]

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[chazoe60]

Hopefully this means we draft Devin White.

[Northman]

This is stupid...seriously the only difference between Keenum and Flacco is that Flacco has a stronger arm. However he is a doosh of a person and malcontent and middling QB just like Keenum....This doesn't make us better just more in debt to shitty middle road Qb's....its f'in stupid and doesn't give me good hopes about the new plan....

Actually Flacco is way better than Keenum. Its not even close BUT Denver will have to make sure to give him better protection because he has no mobility.

[wayninja]

Everybody is way better than Keenum. That's not a bar you could limbo under.

[chazoe60]

I'm guessing/hoping this includes a restructure of his contract.

[VonDoom]

I forgot, Flacco is a 6’6” statue - no wonder Elway likes him

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

Why the **** would we do this? Hilarious incompetence by Elway at the QB position once again.

Rinse, repeat.

[CoachChaz]

Quick quiz...what QB has a worse INT %, worse sack rate, worse YPA rate and worse completions % than Case Keenum???

Totally baffled by this move.

[CoachChaz]

Actually Flacco is way better than Keenum. Its not even close BUT Denver will have to make sure to give him better protection because he has no mobility.

Based on what exactly?

[Northman]

Hopefully this means we draft Devin White.

That would be sweet but generally means Denver will do the opposite. Lmao

[Edmonton Bronco Fan]

Sunshine, come on down. Trevor Lawrence is going to be ours.

[Northman]

Based on what exactly?

Past history with consistency at winning. People just look at the last couple of years (which is valid) but prior to the SB including the SB he was pretty consistent with his play. Keenum has ONE good year in his career. Anyone thinking they both are the same are morons. Sorry.

[Northman]

Sunshine, come on down. Trevor Lawrence is going to be ours.

I would so be down with that. But again, this is Elway and the Broncos we are talking about.

[Elevation inc]

Actually Flacco is way better than Keenum. Its not even close BUT Denver will have to make sure to give him better protection because he has no mobility.

Flacco of 2012-2013 maybe...now they both are middling crappy Qb's...So now we owe flacco 18 mil and keenum 10 mil next year, such a stupid f'ed up plan....I hate flacco as much as I hate Rosen....they are the same type of entitled, Diva born, no leaderships skills, half ass skilled Qb, malcontent dooshbags. F Joe flacco. I wont root for him in Denver...he is a tool bag of a Qb always has been...His attitude can be just as bad as cutlers was.....We don't have No vocal leader on this team to keep his punk ass in check....like he had with suggs and lewis and reed. It's a shit move.....he was f'in benched for lamar Jackson for christs sake....how can this even be debatable that this is a good move....he almost got Hrbaugh fired.....

[BroncoJoe]

Well, his name is Joe, so I fully support this move.

[BroncoWave]

What?

[BroncoWave]

Well, his name is Joe, so I fully support this move.

He's also old and sucks so yeah, you guys are two peas in a pod! :D

[broncofaninfla]

Flacco had his best season under Kubes, I guess they are banking on a similar offensive scheme having the same success. Fangio coached with the Ravens for a season with Flacco at QB so I'm guessing he played a part in this too. I don't see this as meaning Denver won't draft a QB this season, just see it as Flacco will be the bridge instead of Keenum and gives Denver more flexibility at the 10 spot and possibly more trade bait to move up in 2020 if Flacco shines.

[Elevation inc]

Quick quiz...what QB has a worse INT %, worse sack rate, worse YPA rate and worse completions % than Case Keenum???

Totally baffled by this move.

yeah I cant even right now...I was starting to get excited about next year to....

[wayninja]

I'm guessing they got dates mixed up or something. Someone let Shefter know it's not april yet.

[CoachChaz]

Past history with consistency at winning. People just look at the last couple of years (which is valid) but prior to the SB including the SB he was pretty consistent with his play. Keenum has ONE good year in his career. Anyone thinking they both are the same are morons. Sorry.

Precisely. He's a very old 34 and hasn't been the same for quite awhile. I don't see him magically finding some fountain of youth at this point. Just my opinion, but Keenum is the slightly better...and cheaper option right now.

[Elevation inc]

Flacco had his best season under Kubes, I guess they are banking on a similar offensive scheme having the same success. Fangio coached with the Ravens for a season with Flacco at QB so I'm guessing he played a part in this too. I don't see this as meaning Denver won't draft a QB this season, just see it as Flacco will be the bridge instead of Keenum and gives Denver more flexibility at the 10 spot and possibly more trade bait to move up in 2020 if Flacco shines.

this was years ago.....dude has been a bum for about 4 years now.....its a stupid f'in move

[Northman]

Lets hope Joe brings some of his Mile High Magic with him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmRYZOuXHrA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3y sJWFPwygdhohU3VU77P7yYRAZPVxaE65fcxXq2R-yCLCFhdM1T8Tdvg

[wayninja]

Flacco had his best season under Kubes, I guess they are banking on a similar offensive scheme having the same success. Fangio coached with the Ravens for a season with Flacco at QB so I'm guessing he played a part in this too. I don't see this as meaning Denver won't draft a QB this season, just see it as Flacco will be the bridge instead of Keenum and gives Denver more flexibility at the 10 spot and possibly more trade bait to move up in 2020 if Flacco shines.

It worked with Keenum! What could go wrong?

[Dapper Dan]

This thread is gonna be hard to keep up with.

[Elevation inc]

I want to cry.....

[Northman]

Flacco of 2012-2013 maybe...now they both are middling crappy Qb's...So now we owe flacco 18 mil and keenum 10 mil next year, such a stupid f'ed up plan....I hate flacco as much as I hate Rosen....they are the same type of entitled, Diva born, no leaderships skills, half ass skilled Qb, malcontent dooshbags. F Joe flacco. I wont root for him in Denver...he is a tool bag of a Qb always has been...His attitude can be just as bad as cutlers was.....We don't have No vocal leader on this team to keep his punk ass in check....like he had with suggs and lewis and reed. It's a shit move.....he was f'in benched for lamar Jackson for christs sake....how can this even be debatable that this is a good move....he almost got Hrbaugh fired.....

Actually i think he got hurt when Jackson came in but since Jackson and the team were winning ballgames they decided to move on. But i dont think he was outright benched in favor of Jackson last year.

[Elevation inc]

Lets hope Joe brings some of his Mile High Magic with him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmRYZOuXHrA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3y sJWFPwygdhohU3VU77P7yYRAZPVxaE65fcxXq2R-yCLCFhdM1T8Tdvg


How dare you North.....lol

[Nomad]

Sunshine, come on down. Trevor Lawrence is going to be ours.

You’ll be waiting til 2021, and you better have the #1 overall pick

[broncofaninfla]

Flacco of 2012-2013 maybe...now they both are middling crappy Qb's...So now we owe flacco 18 mil and keenum 10 mil next year, such a stupid f'ed up plan....I hate flacco as much as I hate Rosen....they are the same type of entitled, Diva born, no leaderships skills, half ass skilled Qb, malcontent dooshbags. F Joe flacco. I wont root for him in Denver...he is a tool bag of a Qb always has been...His attitude can be just as bad as cutlers was.....We don't have No vocal leader on this team to keep his punk ass in check....like he had with suggs and lewis and reed. It's a shit move.....he was f'in benched for lamar Jackson for christs sake....how can this even be debatable that this is a good move....he almost got Hrbaugh fired.....

Actually Denver only owes Kennum $7 mil versus the $18 he was going to get so if you combine that with the $10 million for Flacco Denver is now paying $17 for that QB spot instead of $18. Keenum essentially played himself out of this job, they would rather roll the dice on Flacco and save a million.

[nevcraw]

Going to try to take the positive.
He’s actually better overall than Keenum. We aren’t giving up much for him. His salary is mid pack now.
He’s a proven winner.
He is not the answer long term so we will be drafting a QB but are not going or be forced to take one

[BroncoWave]

Spin zone: he knows how to win playoff games in Denver!

[Northman]

How dare you North.....lol

Its the little things El.

[wayninja]

You’ll be waiting til 2021, and you better have the #1 overall pick

We've taken careful aim on that target.

[Elevation inc]

Actually i think he got hurt when Jackson came in but since Jackson and the team were winning ballgames they decided to move on. But i dont think he was outright benched in favor of Jackson last year.

The calls for Jackson were super loud before he got hurt....it was coming, it just made it easy on the coach. The fact is though if flacco gave you the best chance to win he would have been back out there.

[Nomad]

I’m shocked at the lack of confidence in Scangerello :D

[Poet]

Hello.

[Northman]

Hello.

You might want to leave the board King, you wont be happy. Lol

[Nomad]

Hello.

Were your senses tingling? :D

[Elevation inc]

Actually Denver only owes Kennum $7 mil versus the $18 he was going to get so if you combine that with the $10 million for Flacco Denver is now paying $17 for that QB spot instead of $18. Keenum essentially played himself out of this job, they would rather roll the dice on Flacco and save a million.

I'm not so sure I agree with those numbers, but if so great we saved 1 million to go from a middle road crappy qb, to a middle road crappy qb, who is a malcontent, has a diva complex, has no leadership skills, is not mobile at all and has shown nothing at the Qb position for about 4 years now....my only hope is we did this to use him as a trade chip in the draft lol.....

There is no logical or smart reason for this move....any smart football fan knows this is a dumb move for the franchise unless he is a chip in a greater plan

[NightTerror218]

I read he will need to rework his deal and Elway nerds to do something with keenum. Nothing is set in stone until March when league year starts up

[Freyaka]

Spin zone: he knows how to win playoff games in Denver!

You heartless bassturd!

[Poet]

You might want to leave the board King, you wont be happy. Lol

Sadness.

[Elevation inc]

Hello.

King run.....run fast don't read, just run....I'm right behind you....

[Northman]

I'm not so sure I agree with those numbers, but if so great we saved 1 million to go from a middle road crappy qb, to a middle road crappy qb, who is a malcontent, has a diva complex, has no leadership skills, is not mobile at all and has shown nothing at the Qb position for about 4 years now....my only hope is we did this to use him as a trade chip in the draft lol.....

There is no logical or smart reason for this move....any smart football fan knows this is a dumb move for the franchise....

I dont follow the Ravens 24/7 but when you say that Flacco is a malcontent and Diva can you explain why you think this? Or post an article on his behavior? I dont recall any of this that you are talking about here and i live in Bmore.

[slim]

Wait, wut?

[slim]

This can't be real.

[tomjonesrocks]

I'm not going to say this is exciting or anything but I'm not jumping off a ledge. It seems like we couldn't stand one more second of Keenum and I totally support that. So Flacco is the new bridge QB.

That said it's a tacit admission of complete failure signing Keenum and if we take a QB late in this mid-rounds draft (vs. in the first round or simply waiting until '20) I'll be there with the pitchfork.

[Northman]

This can't be real.

Its real. Brace yourself.

[Poet]

Flacco has been breaking down for awhile. He was hurt, again, last year. He never got his job back. I don't see how he's a much better player than Keenum. I could be wrong. I'm pretty disturbed by the move, but maybe it will work out. I expect that we're taking a rookie in the next draft. I think there are Qb's worth first rounders this year. I think Elway is kicking the can down the road, again. I disagree with it.

We'll see.

[Northman]

I'm not going to say this is exciting or anything but I'm not jumping off a ledge. It seems like we couldn't stand one more second of Keenum and I totally support that. So Flacco is the new bridge QB.

That said it's a tacit admission of complete failure signing Keenum and if we take a QB late in this mid-rounds draft (vs. in the first round or simply waiting until '20) I'll be there with the pitchfork.

More importantly this move (and this draft) will further put it on Elway's shoulders. He better hope Flaccid has some go go juice left because if not... well you know. Lol

[slim]

Its real. Brace yourself.

Very disappointing move.

Meh, at least we are moving on from Keenum.

[Northman]

Very disappointing move.

Meh, at least we are moving on from Keenum.

Thats basically the way i look at it. Not sure how it will play out but at least i wont have to watch Keenum for another season. My god he sucked.

[Valar Morghulis]

This must be how Joel felt when we signed Peyton

[Jsteve01]

Wr already know Case deficiencies but he could have had a modicum of success if Musgraves head had been in the game. Losing his dad this year impacted Bill more than we know. This move looks worse than lateral. We cant keep hiring shitty coachez who dont scheme to players strengths and then cutting bait when said coach fails.

[Elevation inc]

I dont follow the Ravens 24/7 but when you say that Flacco is a malcontent and Diva can you explain why you think this? Or post an article on his behavior? I dont recall any of this that you are talking about here and i live in Bmore.

I had a bunch of buddies when I was working in DC that were huge ravens fans.....they had very negative stuff to say. I saw a lot about the ravens organization there. I worked with die hard ravens fans, who couldn't stand flacco...numerous stories about ignored autographs, attitude at community events....then were were always TC reports about how flacco didn't always seem to be engaged or trying hard until this summer after they drafted Jackson etc....you can watch his interaction and chemistry with teammates its not very good very cutleresque. I was at that playoff game in Denver with 3 ravens fans. We drove from DC to Denver on a 3 day trip....and all 3 of them actually were pissed that flacco made that pass, cause they knew it would mean even if they didn't win another game, they were going to have to pay a shite Qb a stupid contract. they were stoked about the win, but wished it would have not been because of flacco. Lot of my friends didn't want Jackson, and aren't fans of Jackson, but are stoked it meant flacco was finally going to be gone from Baltimore....

[Hawgdriver]

More roster-inhibiting training wheels, yay!

Guess Elway wants to set a record for capital expended toward QB position without improving production. Siemian -> Keenum -> Flacco...

Would feel about the same with Siemian still back there.

[Hawgdriver]

This must be how Joel felt when we signed Peyton

Haha nice.

[Northman]

Lmao

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[Hawgdriver]

I’m shocked at the lack of confidence in Scangerello :D

I want to know if he was even asked.

[Elevation inc]

F Joe flacco.....that's how I will feel about it all season...my day has basically been ruined lol

[Nomad]

I don’t see why the overreaction, perhaps Scangerello feels Flacco is a better fit for him and a mentor for the next QB drafted than Keenum. I’m more concerned with the next QB drafted. Broncos can’t continue to fail at drafting QBs.

[Nomad]

I want to know if he was even asked.

That’s why he was brought in.....I would think.

[wayninja]

Well to be fair, the same "overreaction" occurred with Keenum. And it turns out that it wasn't an overreaction at all.

[Poet]

I don’t see why the overreaction, perhaps Scangerello feels Flacco is a better fit for him and a mentor for the next QB drafted than Keenum. I’m more concerned with the next QB drafted. Broncos can’t continue to fail at drafting QBs.

Because it looks like a lateral move and not an improvement. If it's not an improvement it shows that we have a GM who can't evaluate QB's well, and wasted more resources (cap and draft stock) on him.

That's the general concern broadly put.

[Elevation inc]

I don’t see why the overreaction, perhaps Scangerello feels Flacco is a better fit for him and a mentor for the next QB drafted than Keenum. I’m more concerned with the next QB drafted. Broncos can’t continue to fail at drafting QBs.

cause he sucks as bad as keenum, and has less ability to be a competent leader.....he does have a stronger arm though and he is 6 ft 6 so its gotta work in Elway's eyes.....

[Elevation inc]

because it looks like a lateral move and not an improvement. If it's not an improvement it shows that we have a gm who can't evaluate qb's well, and wasted more resources (cap and draft stock) on him.

That's the general concern broadly put.

yes to all of this

[Elevation inc]

Well to be fair, the same "overreaction" occurred with Keenum. And it turns out that it wasn't an overreaction at all.

Hats off to your common sense....

[Northman]

Well to be fair, the same "overreaction" occurred with Keenum. And it turns out that it wasn't an overreaction at all.

True however i think i would have felt better getting Flacco last year than Keenum but then i would have assumed our season would have been a lot different as well.

[Freyaka]

This can't be real.

I thought my friend was BS'ing me.... My first reaction is "whatever....league year isn't opened yet" then I opened twitter.....

I'm pretty meh on this move....It's an upgrade over Keenum, but there were better options out there...This feels exactly like last year with keenum, there were better options, but we jumped for the safe option to make sure we didn't miss out.

The one thing I will say though, before being to harsh on Flacco, remember that he hasn't had a WR worth anything since Steve Smith retired... Their WR's have been hot smelly garbage.

[Jsteve01]

I don’t see why the overreaction, perhaps Scangerello feels Flacco is a better fit for him and a mentor for the next QB drafted than Keenum. I’m more concerned with the next QB drafted. Broncos can’t continue to fail at drafting QBs.
Keenum has always been viewed as a great teammate. Remind me when we heard about flacco mentoring a youngster

[VonDoom]

Reports are that we sent our fourth round pick rather than Houston’s. So we gave up the better of the two picks, FWIW

[Northman]

Keenum has always been viewed as a great teammate. Remind me when we heard about flacco mentoring a youngster

That is a pretty big knock on Flacco that im hearing a lot about now. He is not a very good leader so i dont know what that will mean for our young receiving core. Hopefully Sanders can bridge that gap between QB and the receivers.

[BroncoWave]

This article was just written day before yesterday lol

https://predominantlyorange.com/2019/02/11/denver-broncos-three-quarterbacks-elway-absolutely-must-avoid/4/



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Joe Flacco
Out of the three options that I want the Denver Broncos to avoid at the quarterback position, Joe Flacco is undoubtedly the one I want them to avoid the most.

Flacco has had an unbelievably lucky career, turning one good Super Bowl run (thanks in large part to some poor secondary mistakes by the Denver Broncos in the playoffs) into millions of dollars in his career.

Much like the other two guys on this list though, Flacco does have some general qualities that always seem to intrigue John Elway, most notably his height (6’6”) and his arm strength.

As Sayre Bedinger noted though, Flacco would not even be an upgrade over our current starter Case Keenum.

His interception percentage (2.4%) and sack percentage (5.5%) are actually worse than Keenum as is his yards per attempt average (6.7 to Keenum’s 6.9) and his completion percentage (61.7% to 62%).

At the age of 34, he’s also just above ‘over the hill’ and very much so in a statistical decline. His yards and touchdown numbers have gone down each of the last three seasons, and he lost his starting job to Lamar Jackson part way through the 2018 season.

For all the flack I give Keenum, he’s at least somewhat mobile. Flacco is a statue in the pocket and would take quite a few licks as the starting quarterback of the Denver Broncos

[OrangeHoof]

However he is a doosh of a person and malcontent and middling QB just like Keenum...

That's a LIE. Keenum is a not a doosh (douche) or a malcontent. Calling him a middling QB is fair but the rest is completely unfair. Some of the Keenum Hate around here is offensive.Hate his play, not the person.

[nevcraw]

Keenum or Flacco - they still needed a bridge QB. At least we can see balls go 20+ yards without deflating. Honestly the balls to Sutton are going to be awesome to watch!!

If they don’t draft a QB this year that is a legit QBOTF things are going get pretty bleak for us and Elway..

[VonDoom]

Here’s our guy lately.

https://twitter.com/matthewberrytmr/status/1095732187058585606?s=21

[Elevation inc]

This article was just written day before yesterday lol

https://predominantlyorange.com/2019/02/11/denver-broncos-three-quarterbacks-elway-absolutely-must-avoid/4/



pretty much exactly how I feel, and add in he isn't a great leader at the Qb position and this makes no sense....

[Northman]

That's a LIE. Keenum is a not a doosh (douche) or a malcontent. Calling him a middling QB is fair but the rest is completely unfair. Some of the Keenum Hate around here is offensive.Hate his play, not the person.

He was talking about Flacco.

[Elevation inc]

That's a LIE. Keenum is a not a doosh (douche) or a malcontent. Calling him a middling QB is fair but the rest is completely unfair. Some of the Keenum Hate around here is offensive.Hate his play, not the person.

so I'm sorry but I like keenum as a leader, and your correct he is a much better leader then flacco, a comma would have helped from me I think...I think they are both middling, but don't feel about keenum the way I do about flacco....you might have misinterpredt what I was implying or I wasn't clear enough....my anger over the move has me going off keyboard warrior style...

[Poet]

That's a LIE. Keenum is a not a doosh (douche) or a malcontent. Calling him a middling QB is fair but the rest is completely unfair. Some of the Keenum Hate around here is offensive.Hate his play, not the person.

Offensive is an interesting concept.

[nevcraw]

Keenum has always been viewed as a great teammate. Remind me when we heard about flacco mentoring a youngster

When did mentoring become a prerequisite for QB’s. Wonder how much mentoring Brady or Manning has done

[Northman]

When did mentoring become a prerequisite for QB’s. Wonder how much mentoring Brady or Manning has done

Valid point, i know that Favre didnt do much for Rodgers but not sure how much of that is involved with receivers, etc.

[Elevation inc]

When did mentoring become a prerequisite for QB’s. Wonder how much mentoring Brady or Manning has done

um a shit ton. They are considered elite leaders for a reason....

[Nomad]

Well to be fair, the same "overreaction" occurred with Keenum. And it turns out that it wasn't an overreaction at all.

I tend to be a wait & see, especially since we have a new coaching staff & the QB whisperer.

[Poet]

Flacco's been declining. Keenum's numbers are bloated off of his career year. I don't know which one saddens me more.

Well, let's hope we are open to ponying up next draft for a big time QB. If not...sigh.

[Northman]

Here’s our guy lately.

https://twitter.com/matthewberrytmr/status/1095732187058585606?s=21

Of course, if we just take each players last FULL season it looks like this.

Flacco

9-7 record, 64.7 completion percentage, 18 TDs, 13 Ints

Keenum

6-10 record, 62.3 completion percentage, 18 TDs, 15 Ints


Kind of funny what happens when you compare more accurate stats.

[Elevation inc]

reports are we are now going to trade keenum....with What f'in value, we just lost any trade levarge we have.....we going to trade him to get our 4th rd pick back.....wtf.....what a shit show.....

[nevcraw]

The only other thing I would say in defense of ofthis move - is look at the WR’s Flacco has had Bmore overall . Pretty much below average his whole career. Average if we are being kind. Sanders back in decent form with sutton wk;l be the best he’s had. Need a TE stat! That’s always been his guy.

[CoachChaz]

I thought my friend was BS'ing me.... My first reaction is "whatever....league year isn't opened yet" then I opened twitter.....

I'm pretty meh on this move....It's an upgrade over Keenum, but there were better options out there...This feels exactly like last year with keenum, there were better options, but we jumped for the safe option to make sure we didn't miss out.

The one thing I will say though, before being to harsh on Flacco, remember that he hasn't had a WR worth anything since Steve Smith retired... Their WR's have been hot smelly garbage.

Not to be negative, but outside of an aging and perhaps released or traded Sanders...we have a bunch of 2nd year guys that haven't proven anything. Not exactly an immense upgrader for him.

[Northman]

I tend to be a wait & see, especially since we have a new coaching staff & the QB whisperer.

That plays a huge part as well. If VJ was still here i would be more concerned but with a new coaching staff im hoping for the better.

[Freyaka]

I don’t see why the overreaction, perhaps Scangerello feels Flacco is a better fit for him and a mentor for the next QB drafted than Keenum. I’m more concerned with the next QB drafted. Broncos can’t continue to fail at drafting QBs.

Joe Flacco doesn't mentor, he's kinda known as a douch in that regards.

[nevcraw]

reports are we are now going to trade keenum....with What f'in value, we just lost any trade levarge we have.....we going to trade him to get our 4th rd pick back.....wtf.....what a shit show.....

Jeez dude breath. We trade him for a bag of chips and a conditonal 2045 7th rounder and we don’t owe him money. It’s goingto be ok.

[OrangeHoof]

I'm not thrilled about bringing Fucco here either but we only gave up a Day 3 pick and the money we are paying him is money we saved when we traded DT. It's not the end of the world (but it would have made more sense if Kubiak were still here - he was Fucco's OC in Baltimore one year and Fucco had one of his best seasons). I think trading down from #10 is now a legit option and let's build up the OL and receiver corps. In the second or third round, they could draft Will Grier or maybe Tyree Jackson and spend the year training them up rather than tossing them right in. I think both have a 50-50 chance of being starter quality someday but not in Year One.

I'm not excited about this but it is just short term and possibly we get a pick back by trading Keenum.

[Freyaka]

Not to be negative, but outside of an aging and perhaps released or traded Sanders...we have a bunch of 2nd year guys that haven't proven anything. Not exactly an immense upgrader for him.

Well...Here comes Antonio Brown?

[wayninja]

Oh, chad. Why'd you have to B&E on Halloween? You did this to us.

[Elevation inc]

Jeez dude breath. We trade him for a bag of chips and a conditonal 2045 7th rounder and we don’t owe him money. It’s goingto be ok.

no it will not be okay.....every one said that last year with keenum to...this is a shit move, all my BMORE friends are letting me have it....makes it worse lol

[nevcraw]

um a shit ton. They are considered elite leaders for a reason....

Hahahahaha yeah Brady mentored Jimmy G right out of town by forcing his trade.

[Northman]

no it will not be okay.....every one said that last year with keenum to...

Uh, actually i didnt say that. I warned you all and nobody listened.

[Buff]

I sure as hell hope we're not planning to pay him his current salary - hopefully there is a restructure on the horizon... We can't get out of Case's contract this year so it seems crazy to me that we'd pay this much for two mediocre QBs.

His last good season was in 2015 in the Kubiak/Shanahan system, of which Scangarello is a disciple. So clearly that played into this a bit...

I dunno - I guess best case scenario we restructure his contract and he acts as an ever so slightly better bridge to the QB of the future, and takes a bit of pressure off in the draft... But we still need a QBOTF and this doesn't get us any closer to that...

My biggest concern is that his cap hit is huge and we have a ton of holes to fill... But clearly the front office feels like Keenum's ceiling is so low that we needed another QB right now just to be more competitive.

[Valar Morghulis]

I am so uninspired after such a promising coaching hire

I want to go full falco mad

I literally hate this signing more than the keenum signing. The only thing that pleases me is that it wasn't foles on a multi year guarentee contract

Man, I have been one of Elway's biggest defenders, including his drafts...... But Jesus, he is struggling with this qb situation

[Elevation inc]

Oh, chad. Why'd you have to B&E on Halloween? You did this to us.

I will never be able to forgive chad now that he is a responsible party in bringing Flacco to Denver..

[Poet]

Optimistic route - they've been looking at Flacco for awhile now. We might correctly think that Flacco, in a better situation, could perhaps make a return to form. If we get the better side of Flacco, a wild card might nto be totally out of the question. There's a chance of some upside, I suppose.

[Poet]

I am so uninspired after such a promising coaching hire

I want to go full falco mad

I literally hate this signing more than the keenum signing. The only thing that pleases me is that it wasn't foles on a multi year guarentee contract

Man, I have been one of Elway's biggest defenders, including his drafts...... But Jesus, he is struggling with this qb situation

Thank god Elway isn't Foles levels of stupid.

[Elevation inc]

I am so uninspired after such a promising coaching hire

I want to go full falco mad

I literally hate this signing more than the keenum signing. The only thing that pleases me is that it wasn't foles on a multi year guarentee contract

Man, I have been one of Elway's biggest defenders, including his drafts...... But Jesus, he is struggling with this qb situation

yep I fully echo this....I'm getting hammered via text and facebook message by all my peeps in MD.....lol...I might be past full falco mad....

[Valar Morghulis]

Optimistic route - they've been looking at Flacco for awhile now. We might correctly think that Flacco, in a better situation, could perhaps make a return to form. If we get the better side of Flacco, a wild card might nto be totally out of the question. There's a chance of some upside, I suppose.

Stop trying to seem reasonable. It doesn't suit you!!!

[Northman]

Ok, some dude just posted this and i almost fell out of my chair. Lol


Maybe he is getting Flacco so he can trade two bad quarterbacks (Keenum and Flacco) to the eagles for Nick Foles

[Elevation inc]

Uh, actually i didnt say that. I warned you all and nobody listened.

and you were right just like we will be about flacco :lol:

[Elevation inc]

Ok, some dude just posted this and i almost fell out of my chair. Lol

that is hilarious.....

[Freyaka]

We essentially traded Demaryius Thomas for Joe Flacco. That's the pick we used according to Zac Stevens

[Poet]

Stop trying to seem reasonable. It doesn't suit you!!!

I usually propose both sides of the argument and then proceed to advocate for the position that looks superior.

At least, Flacco, can throw a deep pass and not look like it's destroying his body.

[Buff]

I'll come off the ledge a bit if this is true...


Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that Flacco is expected to rework his deal with the Broncos.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

[Poet]

We essentially traded Demaryius Thomas for Joe Flacco. That's the pick we used according to Zac Stevens

Feels like we're throwing away cap flexibility, though.

[Valar Morghulis]

I usually propose both sides of the argument and then proceed to advocate for the position that looks superior.

At least, Flacco, can throw a deep pass and not look like it's destroying his body.

Are you still in 2012?

[Poet]

Are you still in 2012?

I'm so fat I lag in real life, so yes.

I'm against the move, but did want to propose the other side of the argument.

[nevcraw]

Flacco has real nice hair and hot wife. So there’s that

[Northman]

Are you still in 2012?

Hot tub time machine baby

[Northman]

Flacco has real nice hair and hot wife. So there’s that

And 9 kids, dont forget about the kids.

[Poet]

And 9 kids, dont forget about the kids.

I hate him now.

[Valar Morghulis]

I'm so fat I lag in real life, so yes.

I'm against the move, but did want to propose the other side of the argument.

LMAO next year should be fun for you, pfm goes ham, but it ends in tragedy

[Freyaka]

Live lookin at Flacco reading the news of his trade.

https://i.giphy.com/media/umMYB9u0rpJyE/giphy.webp

[Elevation inc]

I'll come off the ledge a bit if this is true...



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/


I will move from leaning over about to swan dive to standing straight up contemplating life lol

[Shazam!]

He a short term fix but def an upgrade over CK

They still need to Draft a young QB.

No way Elway would get Lock now, probably go CB or OL with 1st pick

Hoping Brett Rypien at least they could steal him in the 2nd or 3rd Rd

[Broncos Mtnman]

Broncos can’t continue to fail at drafting QBs.

You're right. But that won't happen until Elway is no longer the man in charge.

[Buff]

So it looks like a 4th round pick and he's going to rework his deal - in which case I'm not sure we could do much better to improve the position for this season.

I just hope we still prioritize a QBOTF in the draft - it would make this a lot more palatable.

[Poet]

LMAO next year should be fun for you, pfm goes ham, but it ends in tragedy

Well, thank god sports and politics will never be heavily intertwined. That'd be stressful.

[Buff]

Flacco has real nice hair and hot wife. So there’s that

He has all pro lettuce for sure.

And he throws a great deep ball - which we haven't had a QB capable of doing in a number of years.

[wayninja]

So it looks like a 4th round pick and he's going to rework his deal - in which case I'm not sure we could do much better to improve the position for this season.

I just hope we still prioritize a QBOTF in the draft - it would make this a lot more palatable.

I would rather have just had the pick, tbh. I'm not sure how much of an upgrade this is.

[Poet]

He has all pro lettuce for sure.

And he throws a great deep ball - which we haven't had a QB capable of doing in a number of years.

Is his lettuce superior to my lettuce?

I shaved my face. Totally.

Notice me, senpai. Notice me.

[BroncoJoe]

And 9 kids, dont forget about the kids.

5 kids...

[wayninja]

5 kids...

That we KNOW of.

[Poet]

That we KNOW of.

Should be a cap on two.

[BroncoJoe]

Should be a cap on two.

Were you the third born in your family?

[OrangeHoof]

But clearly the front office feels like Keenum's ceiling is so low that we needed another QB right now just to be more competitive.

I think you are right. He lacks the arm strength to avoid interceptions. His year in Minnesota was really his ceiling and he needed Thielen and Diggs to bail him out regularly. In a sense, he was the same as Seimien but with more poise. I suspect Kubiak (his former coach in Houston) sold Elway on Keenum and it might have been part of the underlying wedge between them.

[Poet]

Were you the third born in your family?

I really want to make a joke, but this isn't P and R.

I was the second.

I don't actually hate large families - it was an absurd joke made in that thread that cascaded until this point where I'm making the callback joke.

We need larger families - better chances of making QB's that way.

[wayninja]

Should be a cap on two.

I'm not sure how that would work with my network of concubines.

[Northman]

5 kids...

Whoops, confused him with Rivers. It must be a competition between the two of them.

[Poet]

I'm not sure how that would work with my network of concubines.

Hire me, fam. I'll make the problems go away, my boy.

[Poet]

Whoops, confused him with Rivers. It must be a competition between the two of them.

Rivers, as per usual, produces better than Flacco. :lol:

[Northman]

Rivers, as per usual, produces better than Flacco. :lol:

That was good. Lol

[TXBRONC]

FML. WTF is Elway thinking?

I suspect he thinks Flacco brings us back to being playoff contending team and possibly the quarterbacks in this draft are not what he wants.

[TXBRONC]

Elway better get a young QB.

He probably will, but maybe not in the first round. Maybe he's looking ahead to the 2020 draft.

[Northman]

I suspect he thinks Flacco brings us back to being playoff contending team and possibly the quarterbacks in this draft are not what he wants.

On some level i can agree with that thinking as i dont think there is a cant miss QB in this draft.

[Rick]

Hopefully they can reinvent some of what Kubes did with him.

At the very least, teams have to respect the deep ball with him which will open up the run game more.

[Northman]

https://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51797861_2028808613913282_8788528390798835712_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fphl2-2.fna&oh=90b4f57502a5d87c2621a506b9b52bdc&oe=5CEFC681

[G_Money]

It's just deck chairs, but Flacco can hold down the fort. If they can swap Keenum to the Cardinals for a 5th Denver will probably feel better about that situation w Flacco under center. A QB who can throw jump balls and a young receiver who can catch em is a decent combo to start with. Still would love a TE as that helps out a QB like Flacco tremendously but all of ours are made of cardboard and dreams. Maybe one can stay healthy for 4 or 5 games this season.

Just put in the work in the draft. Flacco is to keep Denver from having another losing season, but the real victories are gonna come on the backs of young players this time.

[nevcraw]

Don’t know why getting Flacco precludes them for going with a first round QB. Still hoping they can land ‘the guy’ this year just not forced to if there isn’t one there.

[VonDoom]

I’m actually hoping we stay away from the QBs in this class now. I’m not super impressed with any of them, so maybe we’re eyeing the better 2020 class while trying to compete with Flacco. That’s the only way this is at all palatable.

That said, we’ll probably take a QB and he’ll be Paxton part two, because Elway always seems to go in a direction I don’t like at this position

[Northman]

I’m actually hoping we stay away from the QBs in this class now. I’m not super impressed with any of them, so maybe we’re eyeing the better 2020 class while trying to compete with Flacco. That’s the only way this is at all palatable.

That said, we’ll probably take a QB and he’ll be Paxton part two, because Elway always seems to go in a direction I don’t like at this position

I dont mind taking one in the later rounds, Denver still needs a backup of some kind but dont feel we need to grab one in the first anymore.

[wayninja]

Honestly, if Kareem Hunt can get a job, why can't we bring Kelly back?

[Freyaka]

One of the big positives about Flacco. He's got a very strong arm and can lob it 80 yards down the field...If being in a Kubiak Style offense brings him back to form then he COULD potentially be a good sign. But who knows what he's going to play like. He's been hit or miss for awhile.

[Buff]

It's just deck chairs, but Flacco can hold down the fort. If they can swap Keenum to the Cardinals for a 5th Denver will probably feel better about that situation w Flacco under center. A QB who can throw jump balls and a young receiver who can catch em is a decent combo to start with. Still would love a TE as that helps out a QB like Flacco tremendously but all of ours are made of cardboard and dreams. Maybe one can stay healthy for 4 or 5 games this season.

Just put in the work in the draft. Flacco is to keep Denver from having another losing season, but the real victories are gonna come on the backs of young players this time.

I'm pretty sure Keenum's contract is going to be unmovable. But at least we have a serviceable backup for when Flacco's back flares up!

[Rick]

It will be a miracle if anyone trades for Case, I suspect we cut him.

[Buff]

Honestly, if Kareem Hunt can get a job, why can't we bring Kelly back?

Because he was never very good and only got hyped up because he was someone other than Keenum and Paxton? He's been free to sign with 31 other teams and has had no interest.

[Elevation inc]

I dont mind taking one in the later rounds, Denver still needs a backup of some kind but dont feel we need to grab one in the first anymore.

Clayton Thorson Rd 3. Draft Cb at 10, OL in rd 2, QB rd 3...fill it out with TE, ILB, S, DL and WR, get a couple legit FA and maybe we can be 8-8 with flacco.....lol

[BroncoJoe]

But when Jackson was at his lowest point of his rookie season, Flacco was there with encouraging words. On Sunday, Jackson entered the fourth quarter with a zero passer rating. The Ravens were trailing by 20 points. The home crowd was chanting for Flacco.

That's when Flacco told Jackson: "Listen, finish strong. At some point you’re going to be proud of how you finished no matter what happens. This is all part of it. You know, dealing with the situation right now. It’s still a game, so go out there and do what you can to get us back in it. Handle yourself the way you would like to see yourself handle the situation."

http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/48357/in-classy-exit-joe-flacco-provides-smooth-handoff-to-lamar-jackson

[Buff]

It will be a miracle if anyone trades for Case, I suspect we cut him.

Can't cut him either - $10 million dead money cap hit. I'd bet he will be on the roster for us this year.

[wayninja]

Because he was never very good and only got hyped up because he was someone other than Keenum and Paxton? He's been free to sign with 31 other teams and has had no interest.

I mean as a backup, instead of taking one in the later rounds. Backup QB's generally aren't very good, but Kelly has proven he'd be an ok backup.

[Elevation inc]

http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/48357/in-classy-exit-joe-flacco-provides-smooth-handoff-to-lamar-jackson

If that is true its a rare thing from Flacco....maybe at age 34 he finally gets it.....we shall see....

[Buff]

I mean as a backup, instead of taking one in the later rounds. Backup QB's generally aren't very good, but Kelly has proven he'd be an ok backup.

He hasn't proven anything - he did ok against a bunch of guys who are now bagging groceries. And is a headcase awaiting arraignment who embarrassed the franchise... At least Keenum can add something to the QB room from an experience standpoint (and is generally a good guy).

Anyway - we digress, this is the Flacco thread!

[Tbolt]

I was pretty much on ignore of the NFL due to the last SB, but this news...I have a lot of free Sundays in the fall to look forward to. Just not going to invest in this one iota. For the record, I hate our coaching hires, and this, I just don't know what this is.

[G_Money]

I'm pretty sure Keenum's contract is going to be unmovable. But at least we have a serviceable backup for when Flacco's back flares up!

His old college coach is now in the AZ desert, so let's say I'm still holding out hope. If Elway signed Flacco without the movability of Keenum's contract... *shrugs* just more evidence on the What The Hell is Elway Doing doorstep. We'll see. He could always be saving cap space for 2020 while he continues restocking the rest of the team. I just hate that the team NEEDS this draft so badly. It's a decent draft to be looking for contributors in, but Denver needs to nab several starters out of it - and that's always tough.

[Rick]

Can't cut him either - $10 million dead money cap hit. I'd bet he will be on the roster for us this year.

Not sure how it all works out but over the cap has us with a 10 mil penalty, 11 mil in cap savings if we cut him.

[Northman]

Clayton Thorson Rd 3. Draft Cb at 10, OL in rd 2, QB rd 3...fill it out with TE, ILB, S, DL and WR, get a couple legit FA and maybe we can be 8-8 with flacco.....lol

Thorson wouldnt be my first choice but at the same time i have no real issue with him. I think he is a projected 6th or 7th rounder.

[Northman]

http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/48357/in-classy-exit-joe-flacco-provides-smooth-handoff-to-lamar-jackson

Thats why i was curious about the malcontent stuff. I knew some Ravens fans just didnt like him as QB but i had never really heard anything bad about his attitude.

[BMann]

If that is true its a rare thing from Flacco....maybe at age 34 he finally gets it.....we shall see....

I don't know where you get this idea that Flacco has ever been less than a stand-up guy and solid teammate...? I've watched pretty much every play of his career... he's been a very easy player to root for. Never gave fans or the organization any issues on or off the field. His greatest sin was his perfect timing winning that Super Bowl, and reaping the financial benefits of said run.

[wayninja]

Anyway - we digress, this is the Flacco thread!

No.

Tebow. There. It was not a Broncos QB thread without that.

[Elevation inc]

Thorson wouldnt be my first choice but at the same time i have no real issue with him. I think he is a projected 6th or 7th rounder.

He is going to be a fast riser.....many scouts are starting to think he is a top 100 prospect and the talent around him at NW was the problem....Dude competed his ass off against tough teams with zero supporting cast to speak of. However the point is if we don't draft a QB in rd 1 or 2, we still need one in 3-5 in my opinion to try and develop.....the name and who we can argue all day on lol.....

[Elevation inc]

I don't know where you get this idea that Flacco has ever been less than a stand-up guy and solid teammate...? I've watched pretty much every play of his career... he's been a very easy player to root for.


Are you Joe flacco?

[wayninja]

I don't know where you get this idea that Flacco has ever been less than a stand-up guy and solid teammate...? I've watched pretty much every play of his career... he's been a very easy player to root for.

Welcome to our little corner of sunshine!

I'm sure he's a great guy. But honestly I'm not sure why anyone cares about that. The NFL certainly doesn't. He could kill dogs and beat women and he'd be welcome if his passer rating is above a certain threshold.

Is it?

[MOtorboat]

Kubiak.

[MOtorboat]

Kubiak.

Shit and he’s even gone and we can’t escape it. I’m clearly not thinking clearly. I’m going to need some time to process this shit show.

[Northman]

Kubiak.

I thought Kubes left? Or is he still going to be in the booth? Im confused of where he does now.

[BMann]

Are you Joe flacco?

Nah, but I've been a Ravens fan/season ticket holder since '96, so I figure I can offer something to this thread... Say what you want about Joe the player, but character-wise, I don't think you could ask for a better person to lead your football team. He took this year's demotion with class where he could've sulked and split the locker room. Instead, he demurred to Jackson and allowed the team to stay focused and win the division.

[Northman]

Nah, but I've been a Ravens fan/season ticket holder since '96, so I figure I can offer something to this thread... Say what you want about Joe the player, but character-wise, I don't think you could ask for a better person to lead your football team. He took this year's demotion with class where he could've sulked and split the locker room. Instead, he demurred to Jackson and allowed the team to stay focused and win the division.

Welcome to BF, as a Bronco fan living in the dirty birds nest i can agree with you that i had never heard anything bad about Joe's attitude with players so that is news to me.

[Freyaka]

Keenum will only count $7m towards whoever trades for him. Someone WILL trade for him. I bet we'll end up with a 4th which will essentially add up to getting flacco for free.

[Elevation inc]

Nah, but I've been a Ravens fan/season ticket holder since '96, so I figure I can offer something to this thread... Say what you want about Joe the player, but character-wise, I don't think you could ask for a better person to lead your football team. He took this year's demotion with class where he could've sulked and split the locker room. Instead, he demurred to Jackson and allowed the team to stay focused and win the division.

Hmmm you are literally the first ravens fan I have come across that is a fan of flacco.....something is fishy.....you sure you aint part of the flacco family....lol

[CoachChaz]

It's just deck chairs, but Flacco can hold down the fort. If they can swap Keenum to the Cardinals for a 5th Denver will probably feel better about that situation w Flacco under center. A QB who can throw jump balls and a young receiver who can catch em is a decent combo to start with. Still would love a TE as that helps out a QB like Flacco tremendously but all of ours are made of cardboard and dreams. Maybe one can stay healthy for 4 or 5 games this season.

Just put in the work in the draft. Flacco is to keep Denver from having another losing season, but the real victories are gonna come on the backs of young players this time.

I think some draft/free agency combination of Mosely, Devin White, DeAndre Baker, Juwaun James, Adrian Amos, Bouye...could help the OL and make the defense elite again. Thus, allowing Flacco to just be a pure pocket game manager and give us a chance.

[Northman]

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[VonDoom]

Of course, if we just take each players last FULL season it looks like this.

Flacco

9-7 record, 64.7 completion percentage, 18 TDs, 13 Ints

Keenum

6-10 record, 62.3 completion percentage, 18 TDs, 15 Ints


Kind of funny what happens when you compare more accurate stats.

Would you prefer their career numbers? Point is, we’re not talking much of an upgrade if at all:

https://twitter.com/nickijhabvala/status/1095748542553939968?s=21

[Elevation inc]

Welcome to BF, as a Bronco fan living in the dirty birds nest i can agree with you that i had never heard anything bad about Joe's attitude with players so that is news to me.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000741896/article/ray-lewis-questions-joe-flaccos-passion-qb-responds
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/2016/11/18/friday-replay-ray-lewis-says-hes-never-seen-joe-flaccos-passion

there were also reports that he ignored Jackson until they were forced to work together being in the same QB room.....
there were also reports around 2012-2013 that he had to be checked by suggs, lewis, and reed regularly about how to carry himself....

I don't know maybe at age 34 he gets it finally.....

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
49m49 minutes ago

With Flacco, Broncos now can take best available player with No. 10 draft pick (cornerback is likely top priority), draft a QB in mid rounds (they still need a young QB) and go back into stronger QB class for 2020 draft. #9sports

Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
52m52 minutes ago

At 34, Joe Flacco is still only 8th-oldest NFL starting QB behind Brady, Brees, Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Rodgers, Alex Smith. #9sports


Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
1h1 hour ago

Although Flacco is 34 he fits coaching staff. Fangio (61 in August), Donatell (62), Munchak (59 in 3 wks) aren't here for rebuild. And Flacco had success in Scangarello offense. Elway had thought-out plan for offseason and is executing. Broncos already better than 2018. #9sports

Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis

Case Keenum is out as Broncos' starting QB. Not sure if he stays as backup or is released or traded. If released he has $7 million fully guaranteed on $18 million salary in 2019. #9sports

[Northman]

Would you prefer their career numbers? Point is, we’re not talking much of an upgrade if at all:

https://twitter.com/nickijhabvala/status/1095748542553939968?s=21

Well, he does have a SB ring so that counts for something.

[Northman]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000741896/article/ray-lewis-questions-joe-flaccos-passion-qb-responds

there were also reports that he ignored Jackson until they were forced to work together being in the same QB room.....

as I said earlier maybe he finally gets it at age 34...but his body of work from other players says otherwise....

Ok, but Rodgers was basically ignored by Favre as well so does that make Favre a shitty leader and QB? Brett basically said it was up to Aaron to learn the ropes and initiate any conversations about advice. Its hard to know if Lamar even sought out Joe for any advice last year. Im not sure if its really up to any vet QB to hold the rookies hands no matter the position.

[BMann]

Hmmm you are literally the first ravens fan I have come across that is a fan of flacco.....something is fishy.....

Heh, he's definitely polarizing around these parts! But lots of us supported him over the years. Plenty of number five jerseys around town. He's called January Joe for a reason: 24 TDs and 4 INTs in his last 10 playoff games.

[MOtorboat]

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How many effing times do we have to do this? It’s the NFL, you don’t win because your quarterback is super awesome when he’s not under pressure.

[Elevation inc]

Ok, but Rodgers was basically ignored by Favre as well so does that make Favre a shitty leader and QB? Brett basically said it was up to Aaron to learn the ropes and initiate any conversations about advice. Its hard to know if Lamar even sought out Joe for any advice last year. Im not sure if its really up to any vet QB to hold the rookies hands no matter the position.

no but if the rookie reaches out, you should at least return the call its part of being a leader.....

[Northman]

no but if the rookie reaches out, you should at least return the call its part of being a leader.....

But we dont know if Lamar reached out or not that is kind of my point. I mean, i live here and i heard nothing of any friction or issues between Lamar and Joe personally.

[Northman]

How many effing times do we have to do this? It’s the NFL, you don’t win because your quarterback is super awesome when he’s not under pressure.

You should probably read the last line of the tweet again. Calm down.

[Elevation inc]

But we dont know if Lamar reached out or not that is kind of my point. I mean, i live here and i heard nothing of any friction or issues between Lamar and Joe personally.

https://www.chatsports.com/nfl/a/nfl-rumors-joe-flacco-ignoring-lamar-jackson-adrian-peterson-return-and-mark-ingrams-holdout-38633

that was a google search result on flacco attitude on page 3..lol its rumors...but where there is smoke there is usually fire.....

[Freyaka]

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[Northman]

https://www.chatsports.com/nfl/a/nfl-rumors-joe-flacco-ignoring-lamar-jackson-adrian-peterson-return-and-mark-ingrams-holdout-38633

that was a google search result on flacco attitude on page 3..lol its rumors...but where there is smoke there is usually fire.....

Yea, it may be true but again rumors so im not going to go full blast on the guy when i dont really know the details. Like i said, Favre did the same thing and no one questioned his leadership abilities.

[Elevation inc]

Yea, it may be true but again rumors so im not going to go full blast on the guy when i dont really know the details. Like i said, Favre did the same thing and no one questioned his leadership abilities.

that's fair to each their own...just seen, heard, read enough over the years to be pretty pissed with the move...is what it is at this point.....

[BroncoJoe]

Man, do I love the overreactions in threads like this.

[Poet]

Man, do I love the overreactions in threads like this.

Remember when the people who opposed, vigorously, the Keenum deal? Or TS starting, either year? And proven to be correct? At this point people probably shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to QB decisions being made.

[BroncoWave]

Man, do I love the overreactions in threads like this.

Were you saying the same in the Keenum thread last year when all the "overreactions" wound up being right?

[Elevation inc]

Man, do I love the overreactions in threads like this.

your welcome.....

[Rick]

I don't think Flacco is by any means a top QB.

I do however believe he will be a better starting QB for us then Case was.

The biggest thing for me is that as I said earlier, he has the ability to test the defense deep. That will help free up the run game.

We absolutely still need to keep looking for the future franchise guy though and as we have said for far too many years now, need to improve the line.

[slim]

Man, do I love the overreactions in threads like this.

I just hope they will still be looking for a long-term answer early in the draft. I'm not sure if that's the plan or not, but it needs to be.

[CoachChaz]

I don't think Flacco is by any means a top QB.

I do however believe he will be a better starting QB for us then Case was.

The biggest thing for me is that as I said earlier, he has the ability to test the defense deep. That will help free up the run game.

We absolutely still need to keep looking for the future franchise guy though and as we have said for far too many years now, need to improve the line.

Another benefit to the Flacco thing is it buys time. With Flacco, at least you know what you're getting. It may not be great, but it is what it is and you can play to his strengths and avoid his weaknesses. Surround him with a good defense and a good running game and you have 2 or 3 years to figure out exactly who the future franchise QB is. With Keenum, you had no clue which guy was going to show up. And now you don't have to force things by taking a questionable QB in round 1 this year, or even next year if you aren't completely sold on a guy.

[BigDaddyBronco]

I just hope they will still be looking for a long-term answer early in the draft. I'm not sure if that's the plan or not, but it needs to be.

In 2020 or 2021, this years QB's are meh.

[MOtorboat]

I just hope they will still be looking for a long-term answer early in the draft. I'm not sure if that's the plan or not, but it needs to be.

It’s what they should have done last year, as well. I don’t really think the plan has changed. This probably signifies he doesn’t like the top quarterbacks in the draft. Maybe they’ll go after better quarterback classes in 2020 or 2021.

[CoachChaz]

I just hope they will still be looking for a long-term answer early in the draft. I'm not sure if that's the plan or not, but it needs to be.

I think that's part of the problem. What QB in this draft is the long term answer that they can get at 10? Even worse, which guy is worth the draft capital needed to move into the top 5 to ensure you get him? Like I said, I think Flacco buys some time

[slim]

It’s what they should have done last year, as well. I don’t really think the plan has changed. This probably signifies he doesn’t like the top quarterbacks in the draft. Maybe they’ll go after better quarterback classes in 2020 or 2021.

True.

I like the post Coach made right before yours. He laid it out pretty good.

[MOtorboat]

You should probably read the last line of the tweet again. Calm down.


I don’t understand your point. Every year we, the fans, do this with some scrub, and wax poetic about how if the offensive line were only good, the quarterback would be good, and that’s just pure nonsense. Denver had a top 10 line last year. The problem wasn’t the line, it was the quarterback. And here we are doing the same thing with this quarterback.

You win when you’re quarterback is good all the time, not just when he’s not under pressure.

[slim]

In 2020 or 2021, this years QB's are meh.

I like Murray a lot, but understand the risk involved there.

[BigDaddyBronco]

Maybe the plan is to have the wheels fall of Flacco in 2 seasons and end up with the #1 overall pick in 2021. I would be down with that. Trevor Lawrence for the win.

[AgentOrange]

Trade for a middling QB to replace a middling QB.

Yay.

[Nomad]

I like Murray a lot, but understand the risk involved there.

Love you some White, Greedy, or Murphy.

[BigDaddyBronco]

I do too, but we have enough real holes to not be able to take that risk.

[Nomad]

Maybe the plan is to have the wheels fall of Flacco in 2 seasons and end up with the #1 overall pick in 2021. I would be down with that. Trevor Lawrence for the win.

Not likely.....defense won’t let it happen. You gonna have to sell the farm if Lawrence continues to play at the high level from last season.

[Ziggy]

I don't think this move changes the draft strategy at all. If Lock falls to 10 and Elway thinks he's the guy, he takes him and lets him learn behind Flacco for a year or cuts Flacco. He has no guaranteed money on his contract once the trade is completed. If not, you take a guy like Devin White and go after your QB in next year's draft. Personally I don't like the trade but I don't know what the end game is either.

[Nomad]

I don’t understand your point. Every year we, the fans, do this with some scrub, and wax poetic about how if the offensive line were only good, the quarterback would be good, and that’s just pure nonsense. Denver had a top 10 line last year. The problem wasn’t the line, it was the quarterback. And here we are doing the same thing with this quarterback.

You win when you’re quarterback is good all the time, not just when he’s not under pressure.

Luck had some tough seasons behind shitty offensive lines.

[Northman]

I don’t understand your point. Every year we, the fans, do this with some scrub, and wax poetic about how if the offensive line were only good, the quarterback would be good, and that’s just pure nonsense. Denver had a top 10 line last year. The problem wasn’t the line, it was the quarterback. And here we are doing the same thing with this quarterback.

You win when you’re quarterback is good all the time, not just when he’s not under pressure.

My point isnt that Flacco doesnt need to be good all the time. The tweet only mentions that if Denver can give him some time (which if they are a top 10 Oline) he should be serviceable. In no way was i saying he doesnt need to be good all the time. Lmao

[Northman]

Luck had some tough seasons behind shitty offensive lines.

Dont get him all worked up.

[BigDaddyBronco]

Not likely.....defense won’t let it happen. You gonna have to sell the farm if Lawrence continues to play at the high level from last season.

Worth it.

[Northman]

Worth it.

Agreed. He is the best draft prospect coming out in the next couple of years. He's the kind of guy that is a generational player.

[atwater27]

Well Keenum was 29th in quarterback ratings last season, so we naturally had to upgrade. To the guy that was 28th. FML

[Nomad]

Dont get him all worked up.

I get what MO is saying, but Luck is a good example of having an elite QB behind a shitty oline. And look how he came back behind a really good oline.

[Nomad]

I don't think this move changes the draft strategy at all. If Lock falls to 10 and Elway thinks he's the guy, he takes him and lets him learn behind Flacco for a year or cuts Flacco. He has no guaranteed money on his contract once the trade is completed. If not, you take a guy like Devin White and go after your QB in next year's draft. Personally I don't like the trade but I don't know what the end game is either.

Wait & see....I like it.

[MOtorboat]

I get what MO is saying, but Luck is a good example of having an elite QB behind a shitty oline. And look how he came back behind a really good oline.

Right, it happens. Bad quarterbacks have had bad lines. That’s not the case here.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
21m21 minutes ago

Elway has already addressed two main components to his team: Head coach and QB.
Vance Joseph-Case Keenum vs. Vic Fangio-Joe Flacco.

On paper at least, Broncos appear much improved than they did six weeks ago. #9sports

Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
30m30 minutes ago

Broncos did kick tires on Foles, but Flacco was deemed better fit. Why? One, Flacco has played considerably under center. Scanagrello offense will have QB under center plenty. Foles more shotgun-spread QB in Philly. And if Foles gets $25M+, Flacco better value at $18.5M. #9sports

Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
39m39 minutes ago

John Elway did classy thing by calling Case Keenum prior to media reports of the trade, per source. Keenum handled it like a pro. #9sports

Mike Klis
‏Verified account @MikeKlis
2h2 hours ago

With Flacco, Broncos now can take best available player with No. 10 draft pick (cornerback is likely top priority), draft a QB in mid rounds (they still need a young QB) and go back into stronger QB class for 2020 draft. #9sports

[Northman]

With Flacco, Broncos now can take best available player with No. 10 draft pick

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fboltbeat.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2017%2F07%2F1052071008.jpeg&c=sc&w=850&h=560

[Nomad]

So....he fits Scangerello’s offense better than Keenum. I believe our OC had a say in this decision.

[Northman]

So....he fits Scangerello’s offense better than Keenum. I believe our OC had a say in this decision.

What they meant to say is Flacco can actually hit a target from a long distance. Lol

[SmilinAssasSin27]

First off...I HATE Flacco. That's now on record.

The trade...is MEANINGLESS. It changes nothing. We switched crap QBs. The money is about the same. Flacco has zero guaranteed $ remaining so this could be a 1 year rental (as long as we'd have CK for) or a 2 year rental and draft a 2020 QB if/when the wheels fall off. If we are able to get a pick for CK, it is even literally more meaningless. The trade changes absolutely ZERO as far as the long term is concerned. Each can do 1 thing the other fails miserably at. Flacco can wing it. Keenum can avoid the rush.

The benefit is that we at least control a vet QB for more than just 2019, thus offering draft day flexibility.

Long term...much ado about nothing.