This is the Draft We Take a QB

[WARHORSE]

Id say we either trade with John Lynch for Mullens.........or we are going up to take a QB. Everyone up top has one already.

So who you want??

Mullens?

Lock?

[DenBronx]

The top 3 teams already have QBs. We’re at 10. It wouldn’t be that hard to move up.

But I’m not excited about anyone in this years draft.

[Davii]

Foles, Flacco, Carr, Stafford... all MIGHT be available. Not a fan of Flacco but I’d take the other three in a heartbeat.

[Northman]

1st round can go to any talented player whether its Oline or defense. Im open to that and as far as QB's in this years draft i would be fine taking a chance on any of these guys.

Ryan Finley. College: N.C. State
Drew Lock. College: Missouri
Jake Browning. College: Washington
Daniel Jones College: Duke
Jarrett Stidham College: Auburn

[HORSEPOWER 56]

The top 3 teams already have QBs. We’re at 10. It wouldn’t be that hard to move up.

But I’m not excited about anyone in this years draft.

I’m actually more excited about some of the prospects this year than last. Lock, Murray, Grier, and especially Jones from Duke intrigue me. I thought that Darnold was completely overrated last year because he was from USC. Turns out... yep not very special and a turnover machine like he was in college. I also guessed that Rosen would be great in the right system but would struggle in one not made to his skill sets... turns out...

Mayfield was really the only “lock” last year. Allen is doing everything with his athleticism but that won’t last. He’s gonna have to grow up or he’ll fail.

I think there are plenty of good options this year. We just have to make the right choice. My favorite right now is Jones.

[BeefStew25]

Let’s reach for need. That usually works.

[Dapper Dan]

This offseason is gonna be fun.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Haskins throws a pretty ball.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Let’s reach for need. That usually works.

Seeing as how we don’t have a QB, and without one we’ll never sniff a winning season, I’m okay taking a leap of faith on a QB in the first round maybe a little higher than he’s projected. Fortune favors the bold.

I’m not saying let’s draft a 6th round prospect that may never play in the 1st, but there’s talent in this draft. We will also have lots of cap space to get some need players like a CB, a MLB, and maybe some OL. It’s not like there’s any franchise LTs in this draft (not that they really exist anymore). If you don’t have a QB the #1 priority is getting one. Once you have him, then worry about the other, more easily filled holes. We have our stud pass rushers. Now we need our QB. It’s time.

[Northman]

Haskins throws a pretty ball.

Cutler did to.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Cutler did to.

Are you saying Haskins is a douche?

[Northman]

Are you saying Haskins is a douche?

Lol, i dont know could be. But am saying that Jay could throw a pretty ball.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Lol, i dont know could be. But am saying that Jay could throw a pretty ball.

There’s no reason to assume Haskins is a jackass unless there are reports saying so.

[Northman]

There’s no reason to assume Haskins is a jackass unless there are reports saying so.

Had nothing to do with attitude, you made a claim about a pretty ball and i said Cutler did the same. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Had nothing to do with attitude, you made a claim about a pretty ball and i said Cutler did the same. Nothing more, nothing less.

Gotcha; speaking of Cutler, he’s better than anything we’ve seen the last 3 years.

[Simple Jaded]

**** Mullens, do we have any standards anymore?

[underrated29]

Haskins throws a pretty ball.

He will be the 1st qb drafted. Hes really good.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

He will be the 1st qb drafted. Hes really good.

We need to move up to #1 and take him.

[Simple Jaded]

We need to move up to #1 and take him.

Do it and get this shitshow over with.

[aberdien]

Either that dude from Ohio State or don't bother. I'd prefer picking up a mid-late 20s/early 30s guy who doesn't suck. Ie not Keenum.

[nevcraw]

Lol, i dont know could be. But am saying that Jay could throw a pretty ball.

Usually to the other team tho

[WARHORSE]

Let’s reach for need. That usually works.


Errr.....when it comes to franchise QBs, if the potential is there, you have no choice but to roll the dice.

Hopefully we get the right guy.

[OrangeHoof]

Foles, Flacco, Carr, Stafford... all MIGHT be available. Not a fan of Flacco but I’d take the other three in a heartbeat.

Particularly after the Cousins/Keenum sweepstakes, I know this will seem unpopular but I'd much prefer a QB with NFL experience than to draft one at this point. We've been in this hole not because Case Keenum didn't pan out but because Paxton Lynch did not pan out. The truth is also that the rest of our personnel on offense is below average, not just the quarterback.

[BroncoWave]

Let’s reach for need. That usually works.

Worked for KC with Mahomes.

[BeefStew25]

Worked for KC with Mahomes.

‘Usually’

[BroncoWave]

‘Usually’

Like others have said, eventually you have to roll the dice and go for a guy. I think Haskins is worth it.

[Simple Jaded]

Enough of this bullshit, draft a QB, draft 2 this year and next year.

Fix something for ******* once, Elway.

[BeefStew25]

Like others have said, eventually you have to roll the dice and go for a guy. I think Haskins is worth it.

I mean I agree. I just don’t think elway is the guy to roll em.

[aberdien]

I think we should draft all QBs this year. Surely one of them would be a franchise guy.

[Nomad]

Enough of this bullshit, draft a QB, draft 2 this year and next year.

Fix something for ******* once, Elway.

Let's not get crazy. Trevor Lawrence will be eligible for the 2021 draft. :D

[BeefStew25]

I think we should draft all QBs this year. Surely one of them would be a franchise guy.

You gotta think we should draft a QB every year regardless.

[nevcraw]

Let's not get crazy. Trevor Lawrence will be eligible for the 2021 draft. :D

Blaine gabbert 2.o?

[nevcraw]

You gotta think we should draft a QB every year regardless.

Used to work for Green Bay. Sign me up

[Nomad]

Blaine gabbert 2.o?

I was joking around because Bronco fans always want the top QB in each draft. Lawrence is a freshman, so it's kinda early to compare.

[Poet]

Particularly after the Cousins/Keenum sweepstakes, I know this will seem unpopular but I'd much prefer a QB with NFL experience than to draft one at this point. We've been in this hole not because Case Keenum didn't pan out but because Paxton Lynch did not pan out. The truth is also that the rest of our personnel on offense is below average, not just the quarterback.

We were in the hole because the GM never moved up to get a real blue chip prospect and half-assed everything relating to the QB. We're not going to get anyone who is good at the game via FA.

[WARHORSE]

You gotta think we should draft a QB every year regardless.

Definitely Im in line with this. If you hit on a Brady, or a Romo or the like.....the dividends are just too big to pass on. Undrafted free agents to boot.

[FanInAZ]

The top 3 teams already have QBs. We’re at 10. It wouldn’t be that hard to move up.

But I’m not excited about anyone in this years draft.

The Bills at 9 also have their QB. As far as other 5 teams, the Bucs & Jags are the only 2 that I'm to understand are all but guaranteed to pick QBs. Raiders & Lions are coming from "insiders" who are notoriously unreliable. As far as the Giants, I heard game commentators in the last game say that they still believe in Eli. Of course that was before he threw 4 straight incomplete passes (I recall only 1 of which was an inexcusable drop) when the needed just 15-20 yards to attempt a game winning FG.

[Simple Jaded]

Let's not get crazy. Trevor Lawrence will be eligible for the 2021 draft. :D

Valid point.

I Stan T-rev Law (I just gave him that nickname, just now) and wanna show him my massive stawner.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

The Bills at 9 also have their QB. As far as other 5 teams, the Bucs & Jags are the only 2 that I'm to understand are all but guaranteed to pick QBs. Raiders & Lions are coming from "insiders" who are notoriously unreliable. As far as the Giants, I heard game commentators in the last game say that they still believe in Eli. Of course that was before he threw 4 straight incomplete passes (I recall only 1 of which was an inexcusable drop) when the needed just 15-20 yards to attempt a game winning FG.

There are reports that Tampa HC candidates are being told Winston is the guy going forward.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I think we worry about NYG, Jax and Wash trading up. They HAVE to do something.

[TXBRONC]

I think we worry about NYG, Jax and Wash trading up. They HAVE to do something.

Denver can trade up as well.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Denver can trade up as well.

Nobody worth it IMO. As much as many don't like KC, he did find a rhythm before Sanders went down. Beef up the line, grab another CB and we can be OK. Don't reach on this crop of QBs. Someone will make it to us...even if we drop back a few spots.

Not saying CK is the answer...but good enough for us not to mortgage the farm.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Nobody worth it IMO. As much as many don't like KC, he did find a rhythm before Sanders went down. Beef up the line, grab another CB and we can be OK. Don't reach on this crop of QBs. Someone will make it to us...even if we drop back a few spots

Haskins is the one we want. We have the amo to move up to #1.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Risky

[Poet]

New QB or new GM. Elway can’t be scared.

[Poet]

Haskins is the one we want. We have the amo to move up to #1.

This Is actual style. I’m proud of you.

[Northman]

Nobody worth it IMO. As much as many don't like KC, he did find a rhythm before Sanders went down. Beef up the line, grab another CB and we can be OK. Don't reach on this crop of QBs. Someone will make it to us...even if we drop back a few spots.

Not saying CK is the answer...but good enough for us not to mortgage the farm.

This^

No QB in this draft is worth moving up for.

[Poet]

This^

No QB in this draft is worth moving up for.

Viking squabble!

[BroncoWave]

This Is actual style. I’m proud of you.

Haskins or bust!

[Northman]

Viking squabble!

Hate to say but i think Haskins will be a bust. But even beyond that Smilin is correct that we probably roll with CK for at least one more year and just draft a QB or 2 if they are available later in the draft. None of them are worth giving up a shit ton of picks for.

[Poet]

Hate to say but i think Haskins will be a bust. But even beyond that Smilin is correct that we probably roll with CK for at least one more year and just draft a QB or 2 if they are available later in the draft. None of them are worth giving up a shit ton of picks for.
I respect it, NM. I think he’s legitimate. He’s already getting first round grades. But Myers system is QB heaven.

[TXBRONC]

Nobody worth it IMO. As much as many don't like KC, he did find a rhythm before Sanders went down. Beef up the line, grab another CB and we can be OK. Don't reach on this crop of QBs. Someone will make it to us...even if we drop back a few spots.

Not saying CK is the answer...but good enough for us not to mortgage the farm.

True, but that may not be their guy just because a guy falls to us doesn't that guy matches up on your draft board. Also wasn't Mahomes seen as risk? Sitting at ten doesn't mean they have to mortgage the future.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

True, but that may not be their guy just because a guy falls to us doesn't that guy matches up on your draft board. Also wasn't Mahomes seen as risk? Sitting at ten doesn't mean they have to mortgage the future.

My comment was in response to the idea of us moving up

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I respect it, NM. I think he’s legitimate. He’s already getting first round grades. But Myers system is QB heaven.

They revamped the offense for him because he’s a pure pocket passer; not much read option. He only runs 4-5 times a game. But man, his passes are a thing of beauty. They’re effortless.

[Poet]

They revamped the offense for him because he’s a pure pocket passer; not much read option. He only runs 4-5 times a game. But man, his passes are a thing of beauty. They’re effortless.

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1076865018141069312

The board that advises players on how NFL teams see them estimates him as a first round QB.

Does that mean anything other than the board noting that NFL teams will take him as a first rounder? Nope. But it does speak to the situation. QB's are often not the top prospect in a draft. Goff wasn't. He went first overall. Rams ain't angry. That's one instance. If you got the goods as a QB, you got the goods. Let's ******* get us a QB, boys.

[TXBRONC]

My comment was in response to the idea of us moving up

I know, and I'm saying sitting at ten it's nearly costly as sitting in the twenties.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I know, and I'm saying sitting at ten it's nearly costly as sitting in the twenties.

We currently own #10. Moving up would decrease our assets. Moving back a few would increase them. If we move up 10 #1 for OUR GUY, go for it. I'll support it. But I'm not sure this draft has THAT guy. Don't really wanna give assets just to settle on A guy

[Poet]

We currently own #10. Moving up would decrease our assets. Moving back a few would increase them. If we move up 10 #1 for OUR GUY, go for it. I'll support it. But I'm not sure this draft has THAT guy. Don't really wanna give assets just to settle on A guy

We had more options last year. Elway said no. At a certain point it's either get a real QB prospect or sit dead in the water.

We are dead in the water right now.

[Northman]

We had more options last year. Elway said no. At a certain point it's either get a real QB prospect or sit dead in the water.

We are dead in the water right now.

The problem is there is no Baker Mayfield in this draft. No need to reach.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

We had more options last year. Elway said no. At a certain point it's either get a real QB prospect or sit dead in the water.

We are dead in the water right now.

He took one of last year's options. Just happened to be a FA and not a draftee. As I've stated before, not saying Keenum is the answer, but until our Oline is at least average, we won't ever know. Now we lucked into Chubb and I can't crap on that pick, but it clearly didn't help us score points. I personally say we draft an OT or trade back a few spots for assets and still get a QB. Regardless of the order...we need to get serious about the Oline. Look at the successful offenses in our league...they do have QBs, but they also have elite lines. Roethlisberger and Brews didnt get any better from 3 years ago. Their lines did.

[Poet]

He took one of last year's options. Just happened to be a FA and not a draftee. As I've stated before, not saying Keenum is the answer, but until our Oline is at least average, we won't ever know. Now we lucked into Chubb and I can't crap on that pick, but it clearly didn't help us score points. I personally say we draft an OT or trade back a few spots for assets and still get a QB. Regardless of the order...we need to get serious about the Oline. Look at the successful offenses in our league...they do have QBs, but they also have elite lines. Roethlisberger and Brews didnt get any better from 3 years ago. Their lines did.

The offensive line was average.

And elite QB's make lines better. So, for instance, when Brees steps up into the pocket because there is one and CK backpedals into a pass rush, I'm less incline to blame the line. Brees is the king of avoiding pressure post-snap.

You don't need five all-pro offensive lineman.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

[SmilinAssasSin27]

The offensive line was average.

And elite QB's make lines better. So, for instance, when Brees steps up into the pocket because there is one and CK backpedals into a pass rush, I'm less incline to blame the line. Brees is the king of avoiding pressure post-snap.

You don't need five all-pro offensive lineman.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

But you have to see the success of the offense as they have addressed the oline. Clearly a direct correlation.

[TXBRONC]

We currently own #10. Moving up would decrease our assets. Moving back a few would increase them. If we move up 10 #1 for OUR GUY, go for it. I'll support it. But I'm not sure this draft has THAT guy. Don't really wanna give assets just to settle on A guy

I hear ya SA and for the most part I agree. At the same time if they trade up and get the guy want and he's a homerun then is it worth it? It's a risk.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I hear ya SA and for the most part I agree. At the same time if they trade up and get the guy want and he's a homerun then is it worth it? It's a risk.

Definitely worth it and I would never say otherwise. If it's THE guy and not just settling.

[aberdien]

I like Haskins a lot better than any QBs from the last draft and I hope we trade up for him.

I also understand that due to contracts and what not you gotta play the long game sometimes.

[aberdien]

I hope Elway lets him wear #7.

https://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F1201%2Fr471554_1296x729_16 %2D9.jpg&w=570

[TXBRONC]

He took one of last year's options. Just happened to be a FA and not a draftee. As I've stated before, not saying Keenum is the answer, but until our Oline is at least average, we won't ever know. Now we lucked into Chubb and I can't crap on that pick, but it clearly didn't help us score points. I personally say we draft an OT or trade back a few spots for assets and still get a QB. Regardless of the order...we need to get serious about the Oline. Look at the successful offenses in our league...they do have QBs, but they also have elite lines. Roethlisberger and Brews didnt get any better from 3 years ago. Their lines did.

SA the offensive line preformed pretty well. North posted the numbers from this year as opposed to the year before and there was huge jump in performance.

[Poet]

SA the offensive line preformed pretty well. North posted the numbers from this year as opposed to the year before and there was huge jump in performance.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

The line is fine. People just want to make excuses.

[Poet]

I hope Elway lets him wear #7.

https://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F1201%2Fr471554_1296x729_16 %2D9.jpg&w=570

Abe, let's ******* ride!

[SmilinAssasSin27]

The line was better...but the bar was embarrassingly low. Still nowhere near good enough and oft injured. It's not an excuse. CK was never anyone who excited me. But I believe he is our option going forward and there is only 1 prospect in this draft I'd even consider reaching for. Get him more help. We now have RBs and WRs we are excited about. Get oline stability.

[aberdien]

I hope Drew Lock is considered the #1 QB prospect.

[Northman]

I hope Drew Lock is considered the #1 QB prospect.

Oh! Then we should trade up and snag himi!

[Cugel]

I’m actually more excited about some of the prospects this year than last. Lock, Murray, Grier, and especially Jones from Duke intrigue me. I thought that Darnold was completely overrated last year because he was from USC. Turns out... yep not very special and a turnover machine like he was in college. I also guessed that Rosen would be great in the right system but would struggle in one not made to his skill sets... turns out...

Mayfield was really the only “lock” last year. Allen is doing everything with his athleticism but that won’t last. He’s gonna have to grow up or he’ll fail.

I think there are plenty of good options this year. We just have to make the right choice. My favorite right now is Jones.

That's the problem all these spread option QBs face coming into the NFL. If they keep doing that shit for long they are going to get seriously wracked up like RGIII did. Or Carson Wentz for that matter. No matter how talented and athletic a running QB is essentially a RB. And RBs last less than 5 years as starters in this league.

At the same time QBs are not paid like RBs. A franchise QB will make between $20-$30m a year. So, you don't want him blowing out his knee on some stupid 7 yard run. SO - every OC is in a race to develop his QB into a pocket passing QB.

Because they protect the QB in the pocket, outside not so much. Not even Cam Newton could hold up year after year doing that, and he's the size of a middle LB.

They'll use the QB in whatever system he can become familiar with, but like Elway himself, he will have to learn to play inside the pocket more and more as his career continues. Goff has learned to do that. Whoever Denver drafts will have to do the same.

Today's NFL would LOVE Elway in his rookie year. Denver was horrible back then, but if they had had some talent on offense and a modern NFL system, Elway would have fit right in. He would look at his first read, and if it wasn't there he'd take off and try and make something happen with his feet. Run-pass option. And he could throw off his back foot 30 yards diagonally across the field to hit a WR on the left sideline while sprinting full out towards the right sideline. DBs quickly learned not to come off their men just because Elway was sprinting towards the other side of the field.

But, like he said yesterday - it's difficult to see that style being a permanent solution. Every NFL team wants to make use of their QB's running ability, but only as long as it takes for the kid to become a pocket passing QB who runs occasionally on designed plays, but not as a regular thing.

That transition might take a couple of years, but they all encourage it - like the 49ers did with Steve Young who was as talented at running with the ball as any QB in NFL history.

[aberdien]

Oh! Then we should trade up and snag himi!

No, so we can get Haskins when he falls.

Cash money. Take it to the bank. SB on the way.

[Simple Jaded]

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

The line is fine. People just want to make excuses.

PFF thinks P-Stiff hung the moon.

[Poet]

PFF thinks P-Stiff hung the moon.

The problem with this is that Paradis passes the eye test and the analytics test. Moreover, both Footballoutsiders and other sites have the Broncos line being decent. I know the line is decent because I pay attention to the game. As do others. But FFS, if the line passes the eye test (for everyone who isn't a QB apologist/just doesn't want to draft a QB because they're weak), the advanced metrics say it's fine, then how isn't it?

At a certain point posters should substantiate their points or just admit it.

[Simple Jaded]

The problem with this is that Paradis passes the eye test and the analytics test. Moreover, both Footballoutsiders and other sites have the Broncos line being decent. I know the line is decent because I pay attention to the game. As do others. But FFS, if the line passes the eye test (for everyone who isn't a QB apologist/just doesn't want to draft a QB because they're weak), the advanced metrics say it's fine, then how isn't it?

At a certain point posters should substantiate their points or just admit it.

But let’s be honest, playcalling and QB play can skew those grades, if your QB is a check down Charlie your grades are going to look better.

[Simple Jaded]

Broncos should Franchise Paradis and trade him for Harbaugh instead of two #1’s.

[Poet]

But let’s be honest, playcalling and QB play can skew those grades, if your QB is a check down Charlie your grades are going to look better.

Advanced stats often disregard that stupid QBR formula that sucks off game managers.

If sucks off efficiency far too much.

[Simple Jaded]

Advanced stats often disregard that stupid QBR formula that sucks off game managers.

If sucks off efficiency far too much.

You can’t get beat as much if the OC schemes to protect you, look at the Indy OL ... From worst to first, that didn’t happen solely through hard work.

So do they take into account the difficulty of their assignments?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

You can’t get beat as much if the OC schemes to protect you, look at the Indy OL ... From worst to first, that didn’t happen solely through hard work.

So do they take into account the difficulty of their assignments?

Healthy Luck, the stud OL I was hoping for last year and a gem 2nd round OL pick.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Broncos should Franchise Paradis and trade him for Harbaugh instead of two #1’s.

I can get on board with this.

[Poet]

You can’t get beat as much if the OC schemes to protect you, look at the Indy OL ... From worst to first, that didn’t happen solely through hard work.

So do they take into account the difficulty of their assignments?

I think some do, yes.

They even make it harder on the line and put TEs and RBs blocking on the line. for both ****ups and blocks.

Right now Haskins is killing it btw.

A line means nothing without a QB. Go ask Joe Thomas, and the other two pro bowlers OL they had for year about it.

[Simple Jaded]

I think some do, yes.

They even make it harder on the line and put TEs and RBs blocking on the line. for both ****ups and blocks.

Right now Haskins is killing it btw.

A line means nothing without a QB. Go ask Joe Thomas, and the other two pro bowlers OL they had for year about it.

I want both, a QB and OL, that’s why I want 4 new OL starters.

[Poet]

I want both, a QB and OL, that’s why I want 4 new OL starters.

The line is average.

It's not the main issue.

[Simple Jaded]

Healthy Luck, the stud OL I was hoping for last year and a gem 2nd round OL pick.


And quicker/faster passing.

Btw, Nelson is legit, Kinger was wrong about him.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I think some do, yes.

They even make it harder on the line and put TEs and RBs blocking on the line. for both ****ups and blocks.

Right now Haskins is killing it btw.

A line means nothing without a QB. Go ask Joe Thomas, and the other two pro bowlers OL they had for year about it.

7-9 with Hoyer. 10-6 with Derek Anderson.

Just sayin...��

[SmilinAssasSin27]

If we draft Haskins, 3 OL and a CB, I'd be giddy.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

And quicker/faster passing.

Btw, Nelson is legit, Kinger was wrong about him.

I LOVE Nelson. That said, I don't think 87 hated on his skills...just the importance of the position.

[Simple Jaded]

I LOVE Nelson. That said, I don't think 87 hated on his skills...just the importance of the position.

And he was wrong about importance of position, he sure be ashamed.

[Poet]

7-9 with Hoyer. 10-6 with Derek Anderson.

Just sayin...��

Exactly. It took two horribly easy schedules for them to flirt with .500 and have a winning record. I agree - that's how lucky you have to get.

Look at the teams in the playoffs. The worst QB in the bunch is a first rounder who ignited his team in Jackson.

Look at the games. In the AFC WC you have Luck (first rounder) vs. Watson, (first rounders) both elite talent.

Then you have Seattle vs. Dallas. Wilson is why Mayfield was a first rounder. Dak is...a solid QB.

Then it's L.A. vs. Ravens - just two first rounders there. One with a HoF resume. The other is one of the main reasons his team rebounded and got to the playoffs.

Eagles vs. Bears - Trubisky is a first rounder. Wentz would be starting if he wasn't hurt. He's a first rounder.

Don't worry - The top seeds don't have elite QB's who were first rounders. Mahomes, the best QB this year, was...a first rounder. Brady, arguably the goat, is the rare guy, just like Wilson, to be a god not drafted in the first round.

Now technically Brees was a second round pick, but he was the 32nd player taken...you see what I'm getting at. But don't worry, because Goff is also...a first rounder...

Not all of those guys, especially the veterans, had great lines their entire career.

I'm just saying bro.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Exactly. It took two horribly easy schedules for them to flirt with .500 and have a winning record. I agree - that's how lucky you have to get.

Look at the teams in the playoffs. The worst QB in the bunch is a first rounder who ignited his team in Jackson.

Look at the games. In the AFC WC you have Luck (first rounder) vs. Watson, (first rounders) both elite talent.

Then you have Seattle vs. Dallas. Wilson is why Mayfield was a first rounder. Dak is...a solid QB.

Then it's L.A. vs. Ravens - just two first rounders there. One with a HoF resume. The other is one of the main reasons his team rebounded and got to the playoffs.

Eagles vs. Bears - Trubisky is a first rounder. Wentz would be starting if he wasn't hurt. He's a first rounder.

Don't worry - The top seeds don't have elite QB's who were first rounders. Mahomes, the best QB this year, was...a first rounder. Brady, arguably the goat, is the rare guy, just like Wilson, to be a god not drafted in the first round.

Now technically Brees was a second round pick, but he was the 32nd player taken...you see what I'm getting at. But don't worry, because Goff is also...a first rounder...

Not all of those guys, especially the veterans, had great lines their entire career.

I'm just saying bro.
Philly wouldn't be on the playoffs if Wentz was starting. Don't discredit Foles just because it doesn't fit your narrative. And if Philly didn't get in...another non 1st round QB would have. Just saying.

Nobody is saying QBs don't matter. Just that other parts do to.

And Cleveland has had about the same SOS for 15 years. IMO the worst mistake they made was letting Hoyer go. That dide made teams better wherever he went...aside from 1 rusty playoff performance. But hey...it was the playoffs and he wasn't a 1st round pick either

[Poet]

Wentz had a solid season and got hurt. What's your basis for that statement? Just because Foles was the one on the field? Foles is also the guy who is up and down - that's why no one commits to him. I doubt anyone ever will unless a desperate team sends a bunch of picks for him. Then when they get fleeced it'll be rought.

The other parts matter, but not nearly as much. Building a team the way you're propsing means you're 8-8 or 9-7 and can never get a QB. It doesn't work. Baltimore tried it until they finally drafted a solid QB, Flacco. The Steelers tried it until they spent a first rounder on Big Ben. In both those seasons those teams had strong defenses but sucked and had to get a QB and bring them along.

The Eagles had a great roster and had to trade up to get their guy. Same thing for the Texans. Same thing for Goff and the Rams. Albiet those teams didnt' have great records.

So you either suck and take one, or you gamble even more when you trade up for one. Hoyer never even had a good season. He's the king of backups and spot starting duty.

[Simple Jaded]

Wentz had a solid season and got hurt. What's your basis for that statement? Just because Foles was the one on the field? Foles is also the guy who is up and down - that's why no one commits to him. I doubt anyone ever will unless a desperate team sends a bunch of picks for him. Then when they get fleeced it'll be rought.

The other parts matter, but not nearly as much. Building a team the way you're propsing means you're 8-8 or 9-7 and can never get a QB. It doesn't work. Baltimore tried it until they finally drafted a solid QB, Flacco. The Steelers tried it until they spent a first rounder on Big Ben. In both those seasons those teams had strong defenses but sucked and had to get a QB and bring them along.

The Eagles had a great roster and had to trade up to get their guy. Same thing for the Texans. Same thing for Goff and the Rams. Albiet those teams didnt' have great records.

So you either suck and take one, or you gamble even more when you trade up for one. Hoyer never even had a good season. He's the king of backups and spot starting duty.
These teams did it backwards, they got lucky, I say get a QB before you have to trade up from 25th to 1st to get him.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Wentz had a solid season and got hurt. What's your basis for that statement? Just because Foles was the one on the field? Foles is also the guy who is up and down - that's why no one commits to him. I doubt anyone ever will unless a desperate team sends a bunch of picks for him. Then when they get fleeced it'll be rought.

The other parts matter, but not nearly as much. Building a team the way you're propsing means you're 8-8 or 9-7 and can never get a QB. It doesn't work. Baltimore tried it until they finally drafted a solid QB, Flacco. The Steelers tried it until they spent a first rounder on Big Ben. In both those seasons those teams had strong defenses but sucked and had to get a QB and bring them along.

The Eagles had a great roster and had to trade up to get their guy. Same thing for the Texans. Same thing for Goff and the Rams. Albiet those teams didnt' have great records.

So you either suck and take one, or you gamble even more when you trade up for one. Hoyer never even had a good season. He's the king of backups and spot starting duty.

Hoyer was never given a real chance. Granted, injuries derailed him a bit but he played well in Cleveland and when Chicago gave him field time he was a clear upgrade. He ain't Manning, but he's always one I felt didn't get his full chance.

My argument has always been not to reach unless you are sure. You have your list of round 1 playoff QBs. Here is my list:
Winston
Mariotta
Stafford
Bortles

Rodgers
Newton
Roethlisberger
Manning
Ryan

Rosen
Allen
Mayfield

All 1st round QBs who aren't in the playoffs. Obviously they have varying levels of success and experience, but it kind of exposes your point's flaw.

My list has 12 names. Your list has 9 or 10 names. 2/3 of the NFL start 1st round QBS. Just because the common practice is to reach for QBs in round 1 does not mean it's a guarantee of success. The averages suggest otherwise. Over the past 15 years, the SBs have been won by a handful of QBs

Moral of the story...You BETTER be sure

[SmilinAssasSin27]

And I am clearly saying Foles works better in Philly than Wentz. For whatever reason...he gets on the field and the team looks different. Probably because he doesnt just throw to Ertz.

[Poet]

Why wasn't Hoyer given a chance? Regarding QBs, yeah you better be sure. And you better have the right guys to be sure. Elway eschewing the positions two years in a row because he doesn't think the guys are there probably tells you that he doesn't know what he's looking for.

[BeefStew25]

King he’s pulling your pants down. Sir this one out.

[Simple Jaded]

Hoyer didn’t get a chance because he’s a backup.

[Simple Jaded]

Hoyer was never given a real chance. Granted, injuries derailed him a bit but he played well in Cleveland and when Chicago gave him field time he was a clear upgrade. He ain't Manning, but he's always one I felt didn't get his full chance.

My argument has always been not to reach unless you are sure. You have your list of round 1 playoff QBs. Here is my list:
Winston
Mariotta
Stafford
Bortles

Rodgers
Newton
Roethlisberger
Manning
Ryan

Rosen
Allen
Mayfield

All 1st round QBs who aren't in the playoffs. Obviously they have varying levels of success and experience, but it kind of exposes your point's flaw.

My list has 12 names. Your list has 9 or 10 names. 2/3 of the NFL start 1st round QBS. Just because the common practice is to reach for QBs in round 1 does not mean it's a guarantee of success. The averages suggest otherwise. Over the past 15 years, the SBs have been won by a handful of QBs

Moral of the story...You BETTER be sure

Are you arguing against drafting a 1st round QB because of who made the PO’s this season?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Why wasn't Hoyer given a chance? Regarding QBs, yeah you better be sure. And you better have the right guys to be sure. Elway eschewing the positions two years in a row because he doesn't think the guys are there probably tells you that he doesn't know what he's looking for.

Not sure why. I just know that when I watched him in Cleveland he had the worst franchise in sports looking like a solid team. He got hurt late and they fizzled. Then he goes to Chicago as a backup and clearly outplayed the starter. Again...not Manning but I believe sometimes MGs overthink things. They'd rather reach for the shiny new toy rather than give a chance to the reliable, stable, albeit limited option. Not Everyone can win a ring each year. I get that GMs need to upgrade constantly. I just think many don't value stability enough

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Are you arguing against drafting a 1st round QB because of who made the PO’s this season?

Never argued against it...or for it. Read my history. I've always said a GM should get their guy. Just don't reach and/or pigeonhole your options to "must have round 1 qb". No 1st round QBs played in the SB last year. Aside from Manning, what round 1 QB has a ring in the past 4-5 years?

[Poet]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HoyeBr00.htm

He was okay in 2015.

i think it's really more teams knowing that a limited QB is limited.

Unless it's our GM looking at another backup QB...from Houston...that Kubiak also loved.

[Simple Jaded]

Never argued against it...or for it. Read my history. I've always said a GM should get their guy. Just don't reach and/or pigeonhole your options to "must have round 1 qb". No 1st round QBs played in the SB last year. Aside from Manning, what round 1 QB has a ring in the past 4-5 years?

This sounds like something Gary Kubiak would say as he pounds the table for another Case Yates.

You know that’s not how the draft works, the idea is to get the best prospects and the 1st round is where you get the best QB prospects.

Only one team wins the SB each year, but that doesn’t mean there’s only one way to win a SB.

[Poet]

This sounds like something Gary Kubiak would say as he pounds the table for another Case Yates.

You know that’s not how the draft works, the idea is to get the best prospects and the 1st round is where you get the best QB prospects.

Only one team wins the SB each year, but that doesn’t mean there’s only one way to win a SB.

Almost every QB in the playoffs is a first rounder. They want to point to Foles, but Foles' team doesn't make the playoffs without Wentz. The first rounder they, the Eagles, traded up to get.

Then they will point to Wilson, who is the reason why guys like Mayfield are getting first round looks (my god, GMs learn).

Or, here's another one - the further you go in the draft, the harder it is to hit on a QB. Anyone really want to bet on this team finding a guy in another round?

[Valar Morghulis]

Broncos should Franchise Paradis and trade him for Harbaugh instead of two #1’s.

Our line improves in his absence

[Poet]

Our line improves in his absence

You are a cheeky wee wanker with a punch of pish posh poppycock in this post!

[Valar Morghulis]

You are a cheeky wee wanker with a punch of pish posh poppycock in this post!

LOL, nice use of the queen's english!

[Poet]

LOL, nice use of the queen's english!

Colour me red, white, and blue like a damned Yankee. Won't take the piss out of this post, damn numpties!

[Hawgdriver]

LOL, nice use of the queen's english!

God save the queen!

(HTTTGAP flashback)

[Valar Morghulis]

God save the queen!

(HTTTGAP flashback)

and the fascist regime!

[Hawgdriver]

Did you like Johnny Rotten at all? I liked him much more than the Sex Pistols.

For me, Siouxsie and the Damned are what I take out of punk. A lot more, of course, but in terms of epicenter type stuff.

[Valar Morghulis]

Did you like Johnny Rotten at all? I liked him much more than the Sex Pistols.

For me, Siouxsie and the Damned are what I take out of punk. A lot more, of course, but in terms of epicenter type stuff.

I was a sid vicious kinda guy - i love the pistols, their music and what they stood for, but i think individually - they are all hideous people!

[Shazam!]

Brett Rypien

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Brett Rypien

Have you seen 30-40 of his games? I know someone who has. He hopes we take him in the mid rounds and groom him to be a backup.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Almost every QB in the playoffs is a first rounder. They want to point to Foles, but Foles' team doesn't make the playoffs without Wentz. The first rounder they, the Eagles, traded up to get.

Then they will point to Wilson, who is the reason why guys like Mayfield are getting first round looks (my god, GMs learn).

Or, here's another one - the further you go in the draft, the harder it is to hit on a QB. Anyone really want to bet on this team finding a guy in another round?

That team had zero chance of playoffs this year WITH Wentz. I know you like to manipulate info and attempt to make excuses for every point which doesn't fit your narrative...but this is just making stuff up.

Can't count Brady...he's rare

Can't count Russell...HE alone is why other 1st rounders are selected.

Can't count Foles...Wentz had 3 of their wins in September.

Can't count Brees...early round 2 is the same as round 1.

You are friggin hilarious at times.

[Poet]

That team had zero chance of playoffs this year WITH Wentz. I know you like to manipulate info and attempt to make excuses for every point which doesn't fit your narrative...but this is just making stuff up.

Can't count Brady...he's rare

Can't count Russell...HE alone is why other 1st rounders are selected.

Can't count Foles...Wentz had 3 of their wins in September.

Can't count Brees...early round 2 is the same as round 1.

You are friggin hilarious at times.

Sorry, but I do actual analysis. You've essentially called me a liar, which is bad form.

Can't count Brady because he's the head of a two decade dynasty.

Wilson is credited as why guys like Mayfield and Murray (if he does declare) would be first rounders. Sorry, I can't control what draft analysts say, but that's what I heard last year, same thing was said regarding Manziel.

Foles is a guy whose career is nothing but up and down. He was almost out of the league for a reason. No one traded for him for a reason. He was benched when Wentz was healthy for a reason. Wentz had a good season this year. Wentz was the guy who built the team's record and was a MVP candidate last year. You seem to have this incredibly high regard for a dude who the NFL treats as a backup.

Brees was the 32nd overall pick. How many picks are there in a round again? Moreover to cement that point, how many drafts have you read about a player where (tehy are a first round talent who slide because -depth at the position, off field issues etc) so clinging to him as an example of a second round pick is actually absurd.

Let's completely forget about how almost every single playoff QB this year is a first rounder. Or, let's forget about how the years when a first round QB doesn't win the SB, it's usually because Brady won it.

Smilinassassin - let's build us up that 8-8 football program baby! We can keep on getting spanked by teams who have worse rosters than us, but happen to have a real QB. Then, we can make it even harder on ourselves to trade up for a QB. Sorry. Hard pass.

The team needs an offensive head coach, preferably a young mind, and a blue chip QB talent.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Not a liar. You just make excuses for things that don't fit your point. You can't simply dismiss the outliers. They exist. Brees IS a round 2 pick. Foles DID take a struggling team to the playoffs. Brady ISN'T a 1st round pick. Nor Is Wilson. These are facts...even though you don't like them.

That said...for every 1st round QB in the playoffs this year, how many first round failures have come and gone over the years? How many are still in the league, yet unsuccessful?

So the debate is "must your QB be a first round pick"? Or is the debate, "Must we draft a QB, any QB, in round 1"?

[Poet]

Not a liar. You just make excuses for things that don't fit your point. You can't simply dismiss the outliers. They exist. Brees IS a round 2 pick. Foles DID take a struggling team to the playoffs. Brady ISN'T a 1st round pick. Nor Is Wilson. These are facts...even though you don't like them.

That said...for every 1st round QB in the playoffs this year, how many first round failures have come and gone over the years? How many are still in the league, yet unsuccessful?

So the debate is "must your QB be a first round pick"? Or is the debate, "Must we draft a QB, any QB, in round 1"?

No, I don't make things up or excuses. I simply do analysis. And actual analysis goes deeper than cursory inspections. Moreover, the point I'm making is that sure, some of these guys that you can point to could have been found in other rounds. But they were found to be really good, and GMs make adjustments. Again, Wilson's size used to be a first round no-no, but we've seen smaler guys like Manziel, Baker, and now Murray being viewed as first rounders. So pointing to Wilson as an exception no longer really makes much of a point.

And plenty of first round QB's suck ass. Lord knows E.J. Manuel was doomed the second he was picked in the first round. Luckily for me I didn't say all first rounders pan out.

I'm not even dismissing the outliers. One, if they're outliers, they're not very useful, per definition of outlier. Secondly, Brees was a second round pick in name only - 32 teams in the league, top 32 pick, plus we know guys with first round talent don't go in the first round for a variety of reasons. Applying the reality of the sport is actual analysis. Cookie cutter analysis is going "technically a second round pick because one team (the niners) got penalized and lost a first rounder that year."

[Cugel]

Let's completely forget about how almost every single playoff QB this year is a first rounder. Or, let's forget about how the years when a first round QB doesn't win the SB, it's usually because Brady won it.

Smilinassassin - let's build us up that 8-8 football program baby! We can keep on getting spanked by teams who have worse rosters than us, but happen to have a real QB. Then, we can make it even harder on ourselves to trade up for a QB. Sorry. Hard pass.

The team needs an offensive head coach, preferably a young mind, and a blue chip QB talent.

This is all true. The problem is when there are NO franchise QBs available in the draft, or when there is ONE and he gets drafted #1 overall, like Cam Newton, and then teams are left to battle each other over the refuse left overs - Jake Locker #8, Blaine Gabbert #10, Christian Ponder, #12. They got drafted in the top 15 because desperate teams will do desperate things.

That's how the Broncos wound up with Paxton Lynch, and even gave up a 3rd round pick to move up ahead of the Cowboys to make sure they got him. Because he COULD turn out to be good. Maybe!

The reality is that there are generally 1 or 2 obvious franchise QBs in most drafts - not this one - and everybody knows who they are. They generally go in the top 3 picks, often #1 overall.

Then there are the exceptions like Russell Wilson in the 3rd round. But, by definition nobody saw them as franchise starting QBs or they would have been drafted in the top 5, not the 3rd round.

So, outside of a crap shoot like drafting Wilson in the 3rd or maybe Dak Prescott in the 4th round, or a wild-ass lucky move like signing Kurt Warner and he turns out to be a HOF, you're screwed unless you get lucky.

For instance, in 2012, Andrew Luck was going nowhere but to the Colts. No chance they would trade that pick. They even let Peyton go to make room for Luck.

Next QB taken? The Dolphins reached for Ryan Tannehill at #8. Cleveland tapped Brandon Weeden at #20 - and Elway only decided not to draft Weeden himself because he was old entering the league, and they had signed Peyton, so they drafted Osweiler instead.

Could have had Russell Wilson, but nobody thought much of him, including the Seahawks or they wouldn't have waited till the 3rd round. They would have been afraid somebody else would grab him before they got to their 3rd round pick. They just got lucky.

Elway has been unlucky with Osweiler and Lynch. So, what he needs is a lucky break. Either someone unexpectedly turns out to be a great QB or else he waits until 2020 when the draft is supposed to be much better.

[Poet]

Last draft there were said to be four. Then it was said there was none. Then it was there are two.

This draft it was said there weren't sans Herbert. Then Haskins showed up. Some think Murray is. Lock's main issue is correctable - it's mechanical in nature because he drifts off his back foot at times. His measureables will be great. The reality is that there will be two or maybe even three guys with legitimate first round grades on them.

[turftoad]

Last draft there were said to be four. Then it was said there was none. Then it was there are two.

This draft it was said there weren't sans Herbert. Then Haskins showed up. Some think Murray is. Lock's main issue is correctable - it's mechanical in nature because he drifts off his back foot at times. His measureables will be great. The reality is that there will be two or maybe even three guys with legitimate first round grades on them.

Paxton Lynch had a legit first round grade on him! :shocked:

[Poet]

Paxton Lynch had a legit first round grade on him! :shocked:

To some. Others had him as a second. The notion given to us was that there are no first round QBs in this draft worth taking. That's rarely the case. But yeah, if you fail, never try to draft a long term QB. Just sign FA QB's.

[turftoad]

To some. Others had him as a second. The notion given to us was that there are no first round QBs in this draft worth taking. That's rarely the case. But yeah, if you fail, never try to draft a long term QB. Just sign FA QB's.

I think the thinking there is that it takes most QB's (even 1st rounders) a couple of years to get the hang of it and be able to compete at a high level.

[Poet]

I think the thinking there is that it takes most QB's (even 1st rounders) a couple of years to get the hang of it and be able to compete at a high level.

We've been a bad team with an iffy roster for two years in a row. We should have been building up a rookie QB. This has been proven to be true, and my overarching point for two seasons now. Moreover, every year we don't get someone to develop we kick that can down the road.

Where would we potentially be had we acted last year? Surely closer to the goal.

[UnderArmour]

I get the hunch it will be Daniel Jones. Lots of Peyton Manning connections, and that almost certainly will be a factor.

[Cugel]

To some. Others had him as a second. The notion given to us was that there are no first round QBs in this draft worth taking. That's rarely the case. But yeah, if you fail, never try to draft a long term QB. Just sign FA QB's.

Of course they are going to draft a QB. But, you have to be lucky for him to turn out to be any good. Unless you are picking in the top 3 and there are a couple of good prospects.

"There are no quick fixes right now. This thing is going to take some time." Mark Schlereth.

The problem is that I'm no more patient than the rest of the fans. :tsk:

[Northman]

I get the hunch it will be Daniel Jones. Lots of Peyton Manning connections, and that almost certainly will be a factor.

Im ok with that.

[UnderArmour]

I still expect players to go where they are slotted and not as much reaching to go on for a franchise QB. There's no way, for instance, that Arizona is going to pass on the chance to take Nick Bosa or Josh Allen. Going into the offseason, the Giants, the Jags, the Broncos, and the Dolphins are the 4 teams I would expect to take a quarterback early. One of those teams will acquire Flacco in the offseason, probably not the Giants, presumably taking them off that list.

The Broncos would need to jump from 10 to 5 to guarantee their quarterback of choice, which is going to cost a 2nd round pick or future first and also run the risk that Jacksonville outbids us. 8 and 9 are both spots that the Dolphins, or potentially the Redskins could trade into ahead of pick 10 to take their QB. LUCKILY, there's other teams that covet other players that might trade up too and take a non QB. Broncos end up with Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, or Dwayne Haskins on draft day when it is all said and done. Question is whether they pay to jump to 5 or not.

[turftoad]

We've been a bad team with an iffy roster for two years in a row. We should have been building up a rookie QB. This has been proven to be true, and my overarching point for two seasons now. Moreover, every year we don't get someone to develop we kick that can down the road.

Where would we potentially be had we acted last year? Surely closer to the goal.
I hope you understand. We ended the season with one, yes one, OL man that actually started on a suspect line to begin with at the beginning of the season. Right? A second year Bolles, who should really be a RT. We need a stud LT to build arond. Put Bolles at RT and we'd be good up there for years.
Would make a world of difference.

[Poet]

I hope you understand. We ended the season with one, yes one, OL man that actually started on a suspect line to begin with at the beginning of the season. Right? A second year Bolles, who should really be a RT. We need a stud LT to build arond. Put Bolles at RT and we'd be good up there for years.
Would make a world of difference.

The line by all metrics was average. The line, via the eye test, was average. The line can get better, but it wasn't bad enough to use as an excuse for Keenum, or bad enough to snuff out a rookie's development.

[turftoad]

The line by all metrics was average. The line, via the eye test, was average. The line can get better, but it wasn't bad enough to use as an excuse for Keenum, or bad enough to snuff out a rookie's development.

Matter of opinion my friend. The eye test wasn't that great. Penalty sand all.

[Poet]

Matter of opinion my friend. The eye test wasn't that great. Penalty sand all.

Just keep drafting OL, beef up the team, and end up .500 with less of an ability to draft a QB. That sounds horrible. I'll take the metrics. The eye test showed an average offensive line. The Penalties sucked. Better than the QB getting killed. And Keenum did the line no favorts with his happy feet.

[Simple Jaded]

Just keep drafting OL, beef up the team, and end up .500 with less of an ability to draft a QB. That sounds horrible. I'll take the metrics. The eye test showed an average offensive line. The Penalties sucked. Better than the QB getting killed. And Keenum did the line no favorts with his happy feet.

Keenum has made a habit of drifting BACK into the pocket, literally the opposite of what you’re supposed to do.

[Jsteve01]

Just keep drafting OL, beef up the team, and end up .500 with less of an ability to draft a QB. That sounds horrible. I'll take the metrics. The eye test showed an average offensive line. The Penalties sucked. Better than the QB getting killed. And Keenum did the line no favorts with his happy feet.

Keenum has made a habit of drifting BACK into the pocket, literally the opposite of what you’re supposed to do.

Ala trev

[Jsteve01]

Im really starting to like Lock and i had zero love for him prior to this year. The maturity to come back when he may have been a firdt rounder last year speaks volumes. Accuracy was much better. And he worked more pro sets this year

[Simple Jaded]

Trigga Trev.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Oh dear

[NightTerror218]

This is considered a weak QB class. I rather not reach this season if we don't have too. If we are going to take on a project I think 2nd round could work. Unless any of the QBs slide to #10.

[TXBRONC]

This is considered a weak QB class. I rather not reach this season if we don't have too. If we are going to take on a project I think 2nd round could work. Unless any of the QBs slide to #10.

The top quarterback could easily slide.

[Northman]

Gimme Drew Lock please.

[Poet]

Gimme Drew Lock please.

His stock is rising. A lot. And he was already thought of as a first rounder.

[aberdien]

Based solely on the following highlight reels, give me Haskins all day over Lock. Most of Lock's highlights (according to that video) weren't in big games or against big opponents or under pressure or anything like that. Now, that could just be the fault of that particular highlight reel so this isn't a final determination or anything. Lock makes some good throws. But seeing Haskins making big time throws on the run, under pressure, in the pocket, when down in big games, in tight windows...that's our QB. Get it done Elway.

Lock

uMJKsb2r_0A

vs

Haskins

hVWNFFa3L-o

[Poet]

I'm still hankering for Haskins. But, I also lust for Lock.

[Dapper Dan]

Idk anymore, man. Some good college QBs are shit. Some shit QBs are decent pros.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

There were questions about Goff’s game and Wentz’s. They both appear to be franchise quarterbacks. The only “sure thing” in recent memory is Winston, who has been anything gut a franchise quarterback.

[Dapper Dan]

There were questions about Goff’s game and Wentz’s. They both appear to be franchise quarterbacks. The only “sure thing” in recent memory is Winston, who has been anything gut a franchise quarterback.

I think a lot of a young QBs success has to do with the system he goes to. As for Winston, the Bucs had one of the best offenses statistically. Their defense was shit.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I think a lot of a young QBs success has to do with the system he goes to. As for Winston, the Bucs had one of the best offenses statistically. Their defense was shit.

Winston was benched. He only played half the year. Fitz had more success this year than Winston did.
I don’t think Winston sucks, I’m just not convinced he’s a franchise quarterback, and I was on the bandwagon when he was drafted. I thought he was on his way to the HOF.

[Dapper Dan]

Winston was benched. He only played half the year. Fitz had more success this year than Winston did.
I don’t think Winston sucks, I’m just not convinced he’s a franchise quarterback, and I was on the bandwagon when he was drafted. I thought he was on his way to the HOF.

Then Fitz was replaced again when the "Fitzmagic" was gone.

[Northman]

Winston sucks. Middle of the pack QB at best.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Then Fitz was replaced again when the "Fitzmagic" was gone.
Indeed. But I wasn’t exactly endorsing Fitz now was I?
Settle down Dan, I don’t hate Winston.

[Dapper Dan]

Indeed. But I wasn’t exactly endorsing Fitz now was I?
Settle down Dan, I don’t hate Winston.

I'm settled at the moment. Nearly drunk, tbh.

[Dapper Dan]

Winston sucks. Middle of the pack QB at best.

I'd give my left nut for a middle of the pack QB.

[Dapper Dan]

Based solely on the following highlight reels, give me Haskins all day over Lock. Most of Lock's highlights (according to that video) weren't in big games or against big opponents or under pressure or anything like that. Now, that could just be the fault of that particular highlight reel so this isn't a final determination or anything. Lock makes some good throws. But seeing Haskins making big time throws on the run, under pressure, in the pocket, when down in big games, in tight windows...that's our QB. Get it done Elway.

Lock

uMJKsb2r_0A

vs

Haskins

hVWNFFa3L-o

It's kinda Shane's job to post irrelevant highlight videos.

[Northman]

I'd give my left nut for a middle of the pack QB.

We have one, his name is Case Keenum.

[Poet]

We have one, his name is Case Keenum.

Oh, North. He meant middle of the pack starter, not backup. Silly North! ;)

[Dapper Dan]

We have one, his name is Case Keenum.

Shiiiiiiit. Dude is bottom of the road. He was middle of the pack last year. His best season ever. He's no better than Dan LeFevour.

[Poet]

hit him with LeVour.

Savagrey. Shit ******* ******* godk ing.

[Northman]

hit him with LeVour.

Savagrey. Shit ******* ******* godk ing.

Not savage at all, what he meant to say was Akili Smith......

[Dapper Dan]

Not savage at all, what he meant to say was Akili Smith......

Racist.

[Poet]

Not savage at all, what he meant to say was Akili Smith......

Did you know he bombed out because he was mostly an alcoholic? then he found god...then he turned into a pimp, sold drugs...and turned his life around because of his time in the church of satan?

Shit's crazy, fam.

[Dapper Dan]

Did you know he bombed out because he was mostly an alcoholic? then he found god...then he turned into a pimp, sold drugs...and turned his life around because of his time in the church of satan?

Shit's crazy, fam.

I bet it's a hard transition for poor athletes. From no money to millions. I'm terrible with money. I'd have all kinds of weird shit.

[aberdien]

It's kinda Shane's job to post irrelevant highlight videos.

https://media.giphy.com/media/eqWoQIiWSSQOA/200.gif

[Poet]

https://media.giphy.com/media/eqWoQIiWSSQOA/200.gif

Pop Quiz - what is libel?

[aberdien]

Pop Quiz - what is libel?

the thing that tells you how much sugar is in that Diet Coke

[Poet]

the thing that tells you how much sugar is in that Diet Coke

I hate you.

[aberdien]

I miss Ricky Williams.

[BeefStew25]

I miss Ricky Williams.

I pulled cable for ESPN in college and talked to Ricky pregame one night. He was so down to earth. His body looked fake.

[aberdien]

I pulled cable for ESPN in college and talked to Ricky pregame one night. He was so down to earth. His body looked fake.
Did you smoke a j with him?

[BeefStew25]

Did you smoke a j with him?

No. I had ambition.

[aberdien]

what a trip of a dude

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/08/08/ex-nfl-star-ricky-williams-gets-high-astrology/915539002/


VENICE, Calif. – Inside Mystic Journey, a store that offers psychic readings, crystal healing and yoga, Ricky Williams sat cross-legged atop a meditation pillow and engaged a dozen students during his astrology workshop called Astro-Logic one Sunday evening this summer.

“I think if we really want to change things, we have to connect to the inner Donald Trump inside of us and deal with that, ‘cause we all have a part of ourself that’s kind of obnoxious.’’

“Not that bad,’’ cracked one of the students.

Replied Williams, “See, I would disagree. The only reason he exists is we haven’t been paying attention to our own internal Donald Trump. So we had to have an external one to wake us up.

“This is the Scorpio and Pluto stuff, you’ve got to see the beauty in the (expletive). You don’t really see a thing until you see its beauty, OK? And I think if we can come to terms with whatever is bothering us outside of us, find out where that exists inside of us, that’s how we create change and a (astrology) chart can help you.

I am happy for his goofy ass.


**post not intended to spark a political discussion**

[BeefStew25]

what a trip of a dude

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/08/08/ex-nfl-star-ricky-williams-gets-high-astrology/915539002/



I am happy for his goofy ass.

He kind of nailed that BTW

[aberdien]

I have a friend who wanted to read my astrology chart for my birthday.

What a cheapskate.

[Poet]

I have a friend who wanted to read my astrology chart for my birthday.

What a cheapskate.

:coffee:

[BeefStew25]

I have a friend who wanted to read my astrology chart for my birthday.

What a cheapskate.

When’s your birthday

[NightTrainLayne]

When’s your birthday

Good grief. What a passive way to ask for his sign.

[Poet]

If we draft a first round QB, how does Falco react?

[aberdien]

When’s your birthday

Happy birthday Capricorn.

http://www.kellystarsigns.com/star-signs/capricorn/

[underrated29]

If we draft a first round QB, how does Falco react?

Who cares. Hell be a raider anyway. Or a jag.

[Poet]

Who cares. Hell be a raider anyway. Or a jag.

The Raiders or Jags are drafting Falco?

[Simple Jaded]

Happy birthday Capricorn.

http://www.kellystarsigns.com/star-signs/capricorn/

yCdfYkUPvTs

[Simple Jaded]

I'd give my left nut for a middle of the pack QB.

Dan is a team player.

[Simple Jaded]

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC_TZk1VH5YZ1lb5Tn3Y6kjw/videos

This dudes channel is pretty good, he’s kinda taken up the slack for Draft Breakdown folding, he doesn’t have tons of different players but he’s got Haskins, Jones and Lock. Every play, not just highlights.

[Jsteve01]

Jaded who is your qb?

[Simple Jaded]

Jaded who is your qb?
Jones, Lock then Haskins, but I’d more than happy with all three.

There’s a few others being mentioned, Grier, not a huge fan but it’s desperation time and they need to draft 4 QB’s over the next 2-3 drafts.

[Simple Jaded]

The better mid-late round prospects are next year draft, so I think you go high this season. 2020 and 2021 will be interesting in the 1st round.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I have a friend who wanted to read my astrology chart for my birthday.

What a cheapskate.
This post grade is a C+:

Statement content A+
Lack of a gif F

[Northman]

Jones, Lock then Haskins, but I’d more than happy with all three.

There’s a few others being mentioned, Grier, not a huge fan but it’s desperation time and they need to draft 4 QB’s over the next 2-3 drafts.

Ive heard that Finley is a student of the game but has an odd release (kind of like Rivers) and if he is one of those guys with great work ethics than im all on board with him as well.

[Simple Jaded]

Ive heard that Finley is a student of the game but has an odd release (kind of like Rivers) and if he is one of those guys with great work ethics than im all on board with him as well.

He’s a ragarm, I like him though, seems like a Kubiak QB FWIW.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

He’s a ragarm, I like him though, seems like a Kubiak QB FWIW.

He’s not a ragarm, but he doesn’t have a cannon.

[Simple Jaded]

He’s not a ragarm, but he doesn’t have a cannon.

That’s probably fair.

[Jsteve01]

The better mid-late round prospects are next year draft, so I think you go high this season. 2020 and 2021 will be interesting in the 1st round.

Feels like purgatory. 2 consecutive seasons of top 10 picks and no consensus top 10 qb this year....uggh. unless we tear it down and go all in on a 2020 stud i jst dont have a ton of hope

[Simple Jaded]

Feels like purgatory. 2 consecutive seasons of top 10 picks and no consensus top 10 qb this year....uggh. unless we tear it down and go all in on a 2020 stud i jst dont have a ton of hope

The draft is 4 months away and there’s already 2 Top 10 QB’s, 3 pending Haskins decision.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Top 10 due to actual quality of player or top 10 due to desperation of teams wanting a new QB?

[aberdien]

Haskins is the only quality high pick QB IMO. The others are just because there's no one else.

[TXBRONC]

Top 10 due to actual quality of player or top 10 due to desperation of teams wanting a new QB?

It's probably not completely black and white.

[Hawgdriver]

This post grade is a C+:

Statement content A+
Lack of a gif F

I see it as more of an 'Incomplete', perhaps an 'Incomplete Failing'.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

It's probably not completely black and white.

If only...

[Poet]

Haskins is the only quality high pick QB IMO. The others are just because there's no one else.

I read, once or twice, that Lock could have been a first rounder last year. In a round where five guys went in the first, that's not too bad. Locks' biggest issue are mechanics. That's not a horrible issue, either.

I think his floor is Tannehill. That's not too bad.

[underrated29]

It's a deep year. Dont forget Jarrett. I bet there might be 5 in the first again this year.

[Cugel]

Jones, Lock then Haskins, but I’d more than happy with all three.

There’s a few others being mentioned, Grier, not a huge fan but it’s desperation time and they need to draft 4 QB’s over the next 2-3 drafts.

No, they need to draft ONE really good QB, which they may not be able to do in 2019 but will be able to do in 2020. Till then they can draft a developmental QB, maybe in the 2nd round we'll see, and then trot Case Keenum out there again.

They kinda locked themselves into that box unless they are willing to dump Keenum's $10m cap hit and then sign another veteran QB for $20m. The veterans available however, are not $10m better than Keenum, and that's the problem.

If Keenum wasn't costing them anything to get rid of he'd be gone like Bears kicker Cody Parker.

[Jsteve01]

Ooooooh Tyree Jackson declared....im in. Love that kid

[NightTerror218]

Haskins has declared. My concern is that he is a system QB. I think Meyers is the reason all these Ohio QBs keep coming out. Cardale Jones came into NFL after 1 season as a starter. I am nervous about these QBs who jump ship after 1 season as starter and flame out. He had the best season of all college QBs, just call me pessimistic

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Haskins is nothing like their prior QBs, all of whom were 1 read and run types. Haskins is a passer. The OC adjusted hi to him.

[nevcraw]

Haskins has declared. My concern is that he is a system QB. I think Meyers is the reason all these Ohio QBs keep coming out. Cardale Jones came into NFL after 1 season as a starter. I am nervous about these QBs who jump ship after 1 season as starter and flame out. He had the best season of all college QBs, just call me pessimistic

He’s actually not a system QB unless you consider him as the system. They changed everything for him.

[Poet]

#Hankering4Haskins

#elitetalent

#Giantsbetternottouchhim

#****

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Please don't hashtag. TIA

[Poet]

Please don't hashtag. TIA

You asked nicely, but I can't oblige. The 87th King hashtags.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Bored today so I went over the list of QB candidates. This is a very odd year IMO. Basically from what I see, there are 2 QBs I'd be OK with in round 1. Not feeling the Dukey. After that...I really don't like anyone until rounds 4+ (as far as current projections go...that are sure to change). I don't like Finley. The 2 that intrigue me are Stick and Shurmur. But I'm guessing NYG grabs Shurmur even if they do go QB early. So we either make sure we get the Buckeye or the Tiger. Or we wait. IMO anyways...

[Jsteve01]

Bored today so I went over the list of QB candidates. This is a very odd year IMO. Basically from what I see, there are 2 QBs I'd be OK with in round 1. Not feeling the Dukey. After that...I really don't like anyone until rounds 4+ (as far as current projections go...that are sure to change). I don't like Finley. The 2 that intrigue me are Stick and Shurmur. But I'm guessing NYG grabs Shurmur even if they do go QB early. So we either make sure we get the Buckeye or the Tiger. Or we wait. IMO anyways...

Look at Tyree from Buffalo. Reminds me of culpepper

[Simple Jaded]

Look at Tyree from Buffalo. Reminds me of culpepper

Reminds me of PL.

[Simple Jaded]

Stick is a slightly taller Keenum.

[chazoe60]

Can we just draft Trevor Lawrence and it be like calling "dibs"? I don't care if we have to wait 3 years, that dude is special.

[Jsteve01]

Look at Tyree from Buffalo. Reminds me of culpepper

Reminds me of PL.

Oh stop. He is a beast

[Simple Jaded]

No, they need to draft ONE really good QB, which they may not be able to do in 2019 but will be able to do in 2020. Till then they can draft a developmental QB, maybe in the 2nd round we'll see, and then trot Case Keenum out there again.

They kinda locked themselves into that box unless they are willing to dump Keenum's $10m cap hit and then sign another veteran QB for $20m. The veterans available however, are not $10m better than Keenum, and that's the problem.

If Keenum wasn't costing them anything to get rid of he'd be gone like Bears kicker Cody Parker.

They’ve literally got zero QB’s, teams usually carry at least 3, teams that don’t have shit should carry 4 ... three on the 53-Man and one on PS.

I’m done responding to your Keenum babble, he sucks, it’s pointless.

[Jsteve01]

No, they need to draft ONE really good QB, which they may not be able to do in 2019 but will be able to do in 2020. Till then they can draft a developmental QB, maybe in the 2nd round we'll see, and then trot Case Keenum out there again.

They kinda locked themselves into that box unless they are willing to dump Keenum's $10m cap hit and then sign another veteran QB for $20m. The veterans available however, are not $10m better than Keenum, and that's the problem.

If Keenum wasn't costing them anything to get rid of he'd be gone like Bears kicker Cody Parker.

They’ve literally got zero QB’s, teams usually carry at least 3, teams that don’t have shit should carry 4 ... three on the 53-Man and one on PS.

I’m done responding to your Keenum babble, he sucks, it’s pointless.

He makes valid points. He's not saying the keenum doesn't suck. He's saying the keenum sucks but is there anybody that's worth the cap hit we're going to have to take to get rid of him?

[Poet]

Can we just draft Trevor Lawrence and it be like calling "dibs"? I don't care if we have to wait 3 years, that dude is special.

He was in high school a year ago. Now he's styling against 'Bama.

[Simple Jaded]

He makes valid points. He's not saying the keenum doesn't suck. He's saying the keenum sucks but is there anybody that's worth the cap hit we're going to have to take to get rid of him?

I understand what he’s saying, it’s pointless, Keenum should have absolutely zero impact on what the Broncos plan to do in any way/shape/form.

He’s a scrub, don’t compound the mistake of signing Keenum by letting that have any impact whatsoever.

**** the cap hit and **** Keenum period.

Fix this shit!

[Simple Jaded]

“Case is our QB right now”

That’s the extent of his impact.

[Poet]

I understand what he’s saying, it’s pointless, Keenum should have absolutely zero impact on what the Broncos plan to do in any way/shape/form.

He’s a scrub, don’t compound the mistake of signing Keenum by letting that have any impact whatsoever.

**** the cap hit and **** Keenum period.

Fix this shit!

You can't fix the problem without fixing the problem. I understand this. It was a horrible contract - I told people the cap hit was seen as reasonable, and for a QB it is, but Keenum's never been a real starting QB. Average QB money is still massive.

[Jsteve01]

I understand what he’s saying, it’s pointless, Keenum should have absolutely zero impact on what the Broncos plan to do in any way/shape/form.

He’s a scrub, don’t compound the mistake of signing Keenum by letting that have any impact whatsoever.

**** the cap hit and **** Keenum period.

Fix this shit!

You can't fix the problem without fixing the problem. I understand this. It was a horrible contract - I told people the cap hit was seen as reasonable, and for a QB it is, but Keenum's never been a real starting QB. Average QB money is still massive.

Lawrence over everybody. I would take that kid so fast he is the best college quarterback I've seen since Andrew Luck. And he's a freshman. And it's the same weird feeling that I had looking at luck and going how in the world is this guy so young and so good.

[Poet]

Lawrence over everybody. I would take that kid so fast he is the best college quarterback I've seen since Andrew Luck. And he's a freshman. And it's the same weird feeling that I had looking at luck and going how in the world is this guy so young and so good.

I'm okay with Tanking. Tank for Lawrence.

[chazoe60]

Lose for Lawrence

[Poet]

Lose for Lawrence

I wish we had kept VJ around now. ****!

[Nomad]

Lose for Lawrence

A little early for 2021.

[chazoe60]

Can we just draft Trevor Lawrence and it be like calling "dibs"? I don't care if we have to wait 3 years, that dude is special.

Okay I wanna call dibs on the freshman receiver too.

[Poet]

The NFL's draft rule is stupid as ****, and the court decision upholding it was stupid as ****, too.

[Jsteve01]

The NFL's draft rule is stupid as ****, and the court decision upholding it was stupid as ****, too.

Ridiculous to force kids to play for free. Horrid ruling

[Poet]

Ridiculous to force kids to play for free. Horrid ruling

I read it in undergrad. The circuit that judge was in took a different approach than another circuit. Which is why, IIRC, there was a big ole fight over which court would hear it.

SCOTUS didn't take the case.

It's a ******* bummer.

[Simple Jaded]

F
Oh stop. He is a beast

No, I like him, I like PL too.

[BeefStew25]

The NFL's draft rule is stupid as ****, and the court decision upholding it was stupid as ****, too.

I feel like 19 years olds would generally get killed.

[Simple Jaded]

They should start by allowing underclassman players back into college if they go undrafted.

But yeah, the NFL is no place for a boy.

[turftoad]

I feel like 19 years olds would generally get killed.

Thus the rule.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

I'm sure there would be cases who could handle it, ala Herschel Walker IMO...but opening that door would set a lot of kids up for failure. Once they skip college and flame out, they don't even have the 3-4 years of free education to fall back on.

[Simple Jaded]

I'm sure there would be cases who could handle it, ala Herschel Walker IMO...but opening that door would set a lot of kids up for failure. Once they skip college and flame out, they don't even have the 3-4 years of free education to fall back on.

Exactly, I’d love to see that changed.

[Poet]

I'm sure there would be cases who could handle it, ala Herschel Walker IMO...but opening that door would set a lot of kids up for failure. Once they skip college and flame out, they don't even have the 3-4 years of free education to fall back on.

Kids already flame out and mismanage their money. If you don't have a degree, the three or less years means nothing. Gotta hope you're somewhat marketable, or can get a coaching job.

[turftoad]

Kids already flame out and mismanage their money. If you don't have a degree, the three or less years means nothing. Gotta hope you're somewhat marketable, or can get a coaching job.

They can always go back to school.

[Poet]

They can always go back to school.

True. Very true. But I wonder how many athletes would pass once their eligibility runs out?

[BeefStew25]

True. Very true. But I wonder how many athletes would pass once their eligibility runs out?

Not many. Most of these wouldn’t be in college if it wasn’t for football.

[Poet]

Not many. Most of these wouldn’t be in college if it wasn’t for football.

On a somewhat tangential and somewhat related note - more tradeschools, please.

[Simple Jaded]

They can always go back to school.

Not on scholarship.

[Jsteve01]

Not many. Most of these wouldn’t be in college if it wasn’t for football.

On a somewhat tangential and somewhat related note - more tradeschools, please.

Agreed. We suck as a culture at pointing kids to trades. The college is everything culture is wrought with fallacy and sends a horrible message to teens whose strengths may not lie in traditional academia.

[MOtorboat]

https://twitter.com/bykevinclark/status/1082465162315976704?s=21

[BeefStew25]

Not on scholarship.

They actually can.

[Simple Jaded]

They actually can.

Athletic scholarship.

[BeefStew25]

Athletic scholarship.

Same difference. No cost.

[MOtorboat]

Same difference. No cost.

Is that an NCAA rule now? That the university must honor their academic goals if they lose their eligibility for turning pro?

[BroncoJoe]

Is that an NCAA rule now? That the university must honor their academic goals if they lose their eligibility for turning pro?

So, only athletes get scholarships?

[MOtorboat]

So, only athletes get scholarships?

No, but we are only talking about athletes.

[BroncoJoe]

No, but we are only talking about athletes.

I think Beef is talking about any student getting a scholarship. If they leave, no - their athletic scholarship is gone (don't know that for sure, but seems reasonable). Doesn't mean they can't get an academic/other scholarship.