go spacey

[ShaneFalco]

https://twitter.com/KevinSpacey/status/1077263549326651392

[Poet]

Isn't he going to be charged with sexual assault?

[atwater27]

Psycho perv. Good actor though.

[aberdien]

Kinda weird...but to each their own...

[FanInAZ]

He did the video in his House of Cards character.

[Northman]

Yea, im not sure how good of a move this is for him. He is about to be taken to trial for something serious and he is making a mockery of it through a character (who was a shady character i might add) to might light of it. Not a good idea.

[Valar Morghulis]

I can only assume the case is about to get dropped and Netflix have already told him that he can return.

Otherwise, this seems like such a terrible move it is frightening

[Poet]

I'm tired of Falco siding with criminals like Spacey and Chad Kelly.

[Northman]

I can only assume the case is about to get dropped and Netflix have already told him that he can return.

Otherwise, this seems like such a terrible move it is frightening

Its not out of the ball park for him to be serious here. I remember Bill Cosby doing the "hey hey hey" as he was coming out of the courthouse during his rape trial. Some of these celebrities are not grounded in the real world which is why they tend to think they are untouchable.

[Dapper Dan]

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/12/jon-favraeu-ridicule-kevin-spacey-video-trump-legal-time-1202030557/

[Poet]

Its not out of the ball park for him to be serious here. I remember Bill Cosby doing the "hey hey hey" as he was coming out of the courthouse during his rape trial. Some of these celebrities are not grounded in the real world which is why they tend to think they are untouchable.

That Hollywood executive who showed up for proceedings wearing an outlandish outfit and several novels did it for a reaction, too.

Some of these people are either detached from reality, know they're going to walk/have low consequences, are vicious, or all of the above.

[FanInAZ]

So am I the only 1 here who believes in due process of the law, that the accused should be presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law? Just because someone is a celebrity who lives in the public doesn't mean they should be tried, convicted and condemned in the court of public opinion.

[Dapper Dan]

So am I the only 1 here who believes in due process of the law, that the accused should be presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law? Just because someone is a celebrity who lives in the public doesn't mean they should be tried, convicted and condemned in the court of public opinion.

I probably wouldn't make a creepy video if I were accused of molesting little boys, but that's just me.

[FanInAZ]

I probably wouldn't make a creepy video if I were accused of molesting little boys, but that's just me.

As I said before, he was doing it in his Frank Underwood character from House of Cards.

[Poet]

So am I the only 1 here who believes in due process of the law, that the accused should be presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law? Just because someone is a celebrity who lives in the public doesn't mean they should be tried, convicted and condemned in the court of public opinion.

The public is allowed an opinion that is not tied to due process.

[Poet]

As I said before, he was doing it in his Frank Underwood character from House of Cards.

That's sort of what makes it creepy. If you're going to drop the "As I said before," you might want to do it when people missed your point...which no one did.

[FanInAZ]

The public is allowed an opinion that is not tied to due process.

The jury is made of his peers. If all of his peer have already convicted him based solely on what they have seen in the news, how can he get a fair trial?

[Poet]

The jury is made of his peers. If all of his peer have already convicted him based solely on what they have seen in the news, how can he get a fair trial?

The jury will be sworn to set aside their biases. Some people can, some people cannot. Voir dire exists for a reason.

[Valar Morghulis]

The jury is made of his peers. If all of his peer have already convicted him based solely on what they have seen in the news, how can he get a fair trial?

By not making creepy in character videos refuting the allegations about sexually molesting vulnerable people

Remember - we are responding to something he chose to do - make a stupid and weird video!

[FanInAZ]

The jury will be sworn to set aside their biases. Some people can, some people cannot. Voir dire exists for a reason.

Make that some people will not, which is why criminal prosecutors aren't supposed to release information that would taint the jury pool. However, the driving force behind this trial in the court of public opinion is political. They care little about actual justice, but about retaliating against all men because of the abuse and chauvinism of some men. If you're a man then your automatically guilty for no other reason then because you're a man.

Furthermore, because he's a Hollywood celebrity, people going to want to be on the jury in order to sell their story afterwards.

[Valar Morghulis]

Make that some people will not, which is why criminal prosecutors aren't supposed to release information that would taint the jury pool. However, the driving force behind this trial in the court of public opinion is political. They care little about actual justice, but about retaliating against all men because of the abuse and chauvinism of some men. If you're a man then your automatically guilty for no other reason then because you're a man.

Furthermore, because he's a Hollywood celebrity, people going to want to be on the jury in order to sell their story afterwards.

Are you a male rights activist?

[FanInAZ]

Are you a male rights activist?

I'm an Autistic self-advocate who's atypical behaviors can be badly misinterpreted, especially by women, especially when I've made the mistake of trying to behave in a manner that society considers "normal." Most notable when trying to force myself into maintaining eye contact for the duration of a conversation, especially with women who are young enough to be my daughters. Furthermore, I know an Autistic middle age Autistic man who has gotten in trouble at his places of employment for "sexually harassing" women (undiagnosed at the time), but not told who that women were for fear that he might retaliate (standard HR protocol for all complaints). Without knowing who made the complain, he couldn't figure out what behavior of his drew the complain. So he when he was told to stop doing what he was doing, he had no idea what he needed to stop. Today, he barricaded inside his house with a work from home job because he's scared to pursue any job that would require him to interact with women.

[Valar Morghulis]

I think your recent experiences are clouding your assessment of both Kevin Spacey and the justice system.

Not saying your issues are not real - just that in this context they don't appear to be relevant

[FanInAZ]

I think your recent experiences are clouding your assessment of both Kevin Spacey and the justice system.

Not saying your issues are not real - just that in this context they don't appear to be relevant

My last post was simply a response to whether or not I'm a male rights advocate. All of that aside, I am due process advocate anytime that anyone gets accused of anything. Doesn't matter if its someone making statements in which assumes that all Mexicans are here illegally (resulting in me sometimes having heated exchanges with such individuals), cops accused of police brutality, white Starbucks employees being accused of racism for refusing to allow 2 African Americans males to use the restrooms because they hadn't ordered anything (the were then arrested after they refused to leave) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/15/us/starbucks-philadelphia-black-men-arrest.html, a man being accused of sexual misconduct of any type, etc. I don't believe in rushing to judgement in any situation.

[Poet]

The Constitution does not, nor can it, guarantee due process rights regarding the court of public opinion.

Sometimes a venue change is needed because too many people in an area are aware of the crime/instance and it is so hyped up that people cannot be fair.

In this instance, you might be scared because no venue change can modify his celebrity. 1. I appreciate the thought, I really do. 2. He did this to himself. 3. The voir dire screening process can mitigate a lot of this. 4. In this instance, he will have some of the top, if not the top, lawyers in the country. 5. There are people who don't follow the show and know little about him. 6. See number two in reference to number five.

[BroncoWave]

He apologized to one of the alleged victims last year. What would he need to apologise for if he did nothing wrong.

[Dapper Dan]

He apologized to one of the alleged victims last year. What would he need to apologise for if he did nothing wrong.

Maybe he converted to Canadian.

[Northman]

So am I the only 1 here who believes in due process of the law, that the accused should be presumed innocent until proven guilty in the court of law? Just because someone is a celebrity who lives in the public doesn't mean they should be tried, convicted and condemned in the court of public opinion.

He will get due process but from what my wife was telling me today there is apparently a video to back up the claim and other witness accounts while on the set of "House of Cards" that are working strongly against his defense. Never the less, when you are being accused of something its probably not a good idea to try and mock or make light of the situation you find yourself in. IMO

[FanInAZ]

The Constitution does not, nor can it, guarantee due process rights regarding the court of public opinion.

Sometimes a venue change is needed because too many people in an area are aware of the crime/instance and it is so hyped up that people cannot be fair.

In this instance, you might be scared because no venue change can modify his celebrity. 1. I appreciate the thought, I really do. 2. He did this to himself. 3. The voir dire screening process can mitigate a lot of this. 4. In this instance, he will have some of the top, if not the top, lawyers in the country. 5. There are people who don't follow the show and know little about him. 6. See number two in reference to number five.

I'm fully aware that the constitution can't make people do the right thing, but it also allows individuals like me to point out when the masses doing the wrong thing. Everyone who has stated that it is a matter of fact that Spacey is a rapist based solely on what they're hearing and reading in the media is doing the wrong thing.

Let me summarize what I was taught back in 5th grade, 1979/80 school year. If you're going to claim that its just your opinion, then you should preface whatever you're saying with "I believe...", "I feel...", "In my opinion...", etc. If you don’t, they you’re not stating something as an opinion, you’re stating it as a fact. If you don’t, then you’re stating them as if they’re stating them as if they are facts. Let me demonstrate:

I believe the one of the biggest reasons that our society can’t resolve any of its dispute, especially political, is because it appears that this isn’t being taught anymore (and/or no one is listening to what their teachers are trying to teach them). Based on my personal experiences, human being (myself include) have a natural tendency to think they know more then they do on there favorite topics of interest. By making a point to state that I can’t actually prove what I believe to be true, I believe that it has great helped me overcome this natural human tendency so that I’m far more open to changing my views once contradictory facts that contradict presented to me.

See how easy it is to state an opinion in a manner that makes it very clear that you realize that it’s just an opinion and not a fact?

[OrangeHoof]

The jury will be sworn to set aside their biases. Some people can, some people cannot. Voir dire exists for a reason.

.....

Furthermore, because he's a Hollywood celebrity, people going to want to be on the jury in order to sell their story afterwards.

In bookstores now...

"I Was a Spacey Juror."

A guaranteed best-seller.

[Poet]

I'm fully aware that the constitution can't make people do the right thing, but it also allows individuals like me to point out when the masses doing the wrong thing. Everyone who has stated that it is a matter of fact that Spacey is a rapist based solely on what they're hearing and reading in the media is doing the wrong thing.

Let me summarize what I was taught back in 5th grade, 1979/80 school year. If you're going to claim that its just your opinion, then you should preface whatever you're saying with "I believe...", "I feel...", "In my opinion...", etc. If you don’t, they you’re not stating something as an opinion, you’re stating it as a fact. If you don’t, then you’re stating them as if they’re stating them as if they are facts. Let me demonstrate:

I believe the one of the biggest reasons that our society can’t resolve any of its dispute, especially political, is because it appears that this isn’t being taught anymore (and/or no one is listening to what their teachers are trying to teach them). Based on my personal experiences, human being (myself include) have a natural tendency to think they know more then they do on there favorite topics of interest. By making a point to state that I can’t actually prove what I believe to be true, I believe that it has great helped me overcome this natural human tendency so that I’m far more open to changing my views once contradictory facts that contradict presented to me.

See how easy it is to state an opinion in a manner that makes it very clear that you realize that it’s just an opinion and not a fact?

Do you not factor in the countless people who either don't care, automatically dismiss the cries of guilt, or somewhere in between? Are people not allowed to express their beliefs?

I think it's a given when people say "so and so is this,/that," that it's their opinion. If I say PFM is the best QB of all time, you know it's an opinion.

To apply what you're describing, it's far more pressing regarding defendants who don't have all-star lawyers, millions, and a ton of fans to counteract those who are predisposed towards finding guilt.

The fact that you're doing this lecture regarding a guy who brought this upon himself with this video also dilutes a decent sentiment.

[FanInAZ]

He apologized to one of the alleged victims last year. What would he need to apologise for if he did nothing wrong.

I don't know how to post a tweet, but here's a link that has it: https://www.thedailybeast.com/kevin-spacey-comes-out-as-gay-apologizes-to-anthony-rapp

"But if I did behave then in the manner he described, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior..."

That falls well short of a guilty plea.

[Poet]

And it's far more substantive than a " I didn't do it."

If you want to take your opinion, which is a fine one that I admire, speak out regarding people who aren't well protected and rarely held accountable.

Make it mean something.

[FanInAZ]

Do you not factor in the countless people who either don't care, automatically dismiss the cries of guilt, or somewhere in between? Are people not allowed to express their beliefs?

I think it's a given when people say "so and so is this,/that," that it's their opinion. If I say PFM is the best QB of all time, you know it's an opinion.

To apply what you're describing, it's far more pressing regarding defendants who don't have all-star lawyers, millions, and a ton of fans to counteract those who are predisposed towards finding guilt.

The fact that you're doing this lecture regarding a guy who brought this upon himself with this video also dilutes a decent sentiment.

I'm fully aware of that many sex abuse victims suffer everything you just described, but is the solution to have open season on anyone who's accused. Are you old enough to remember the Duke Lacrosse team rape scandal from about 15 years ago? I'd be interested hearing a victim rights advocate from back then give an assessment of how much that rush to judgement debacle set back the cause of sexual abuse victims advocacy.

I fully agree with you that its not fair that a persons ability to get away with murder is so greatly effect by how much he can pay for lawyers. I'm a firm believer that the rate that lawyers should be allowed to charge should be set by the courts, and that every lawyer should be required to charge that amount. So if the public defender that represents a mentally ill homeless individual on make $100,000 per year (I'm just making that figure up), so should the lawyer defending celebrities because I believe that our legal system should operate with absolute equality. I also realize that will never happen because even if such a law was past, who's better at finding loop holes in laws then lawyers.

[ShaneFalco]

#teamspacey

[Poet]

#teamspacey

Would you care if he was guilty?

[BroncoWave]

Would you care if he was guilty?

Obviously not. Even if he's found guilty you know Shane will spin it, as anyone he likes can do no wrong.

[Poet]

Obviously not. Even if he's found guilty you know Shane will spin it, as anyone he likes can do no wrong.

Good point.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Completely void of taste. I’m sure the alleged victims found his video to be hilarious!

[Poet]

Completely void of taste. I’m sure the alleged victims found his video to be hilarious!

It actually gives his accuser more credence...

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

It actually gives his accuser more credence...

Exactly, it’s hard to perceive how a person in their right mind (celebrity or otherwise) would do something like that. It makes him look like a sociopath in need of prison rules.

[Poet]

I read sociopath as "scorpion," because I don't have my glasses on.

I thought you were advocating for scorpion reform/reforming prisoners via scorpions.

[atwater27]

Exactly, it’s hard to perceive how a person in their right mind (celebrity or otherwise) would do something like that. It makes him look like a sociopath in need of prison rules.
Something tells me Spacey will fully enjoy prison rules.

[atwater27]

I read sociopath as "scorpion," because I don't have my glasses on.

I thought you were advocating for scorpion reform/reforming prisoners via scorpions.


Can you make this your sig? “ I am a scorpion in need of prison rules”

[Simple Jaded]

So what’d Spacey do? Not a big follower of celebrity news.

[BroncoWave]

So what’d Spacey do? Not a big follower of celebrity news.

Molested little boys. Some guy for Shane to hitch his wagon to, huh?

[Simple Jaded]

Molested little boys. Some guy for Shane to hitch his wagon to, huh?

You’re ******* shittin me?

[Davii]

Molested little boys. Some guy for Shane to hitch his wagon to, huh?

If he could erratically throw a football Shane would worship him.

[Poet]

If he could erratically throw a football Shane would worship him.

Or, arguably throw a ball well, but have drug issues.

But what if he erratically threw the ball but also did B and E's because of drug issues?

Would Shane have found his lifemate?

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Or, arguably throw a ball well, but have drug issues.

But what if he erratically threw the ball but also did B and E's because of drug issues?

Would Shane have found his lifemate?

If he does molly and walks into the women’s bathroom at a funeral chapel all while singing Barry Manilou songs, definitely.

[ShaneFalco]

all charges dropped

https://apnews.com/3a3353b8a69d4226b96d98dacc34a7ed

[ShaneFalco]

Molested little boys. Some guy for Shane to hitch his wagon to, huh?


hmmmmmm

[Northman]

all charges dropped

https://apnews.com/3a3353b8a69d4226b96d98dacc34a7ed

Interesting.

To bad his career was ruined before this finally played out in the court system.

[BroncoWave]

We'll never know at this point I guess. I'm thinking someone got paid a large sum of money to keep quiet. In any case, he's still a pretty big creep for that weird ass video he posted when the case was still ongoing.

So take your victory lap now that he got off, but you're still a weirdo for defending him so hard at the time just because you like his acting.

[BeefStew25]

I’m fairly certain he’s banged kids.

[Poet]

Did Kobe do it?

[Rex]

Did Kobe do it?

I need you to get to work on that restraining order for me

[Poet]

I need you to get to work on that restraining order for me

The mods rejected it. The courts all claimed to have no jurisdiction.

There is only one other option.

[Northman]

There is only one other option.

Go big or go home?

[BroncoNut]

I read sociopath as "scorpion," because I don't have my glasses on.

I thought you were advocating for scorpion reform/reforming prisoners via scorpions.

are you a scorpion king?

[underrated29]

Did Kobe do it?

Ive said this many times before. I worked with the sister of that girl. Kobe did it, but she was all about it. She called her sister the day or two before Kobe was flying in to say that she was so excited that Kobe was staying at her hotel. She was going to meet him and blah blah blah. She was hoping she could hook up with him. All that. So yeah, he did it, but it was all consensual.

[Northman]

Its possible that Kobe still raped her but i do remember the reports about the girl looking forward to hooking up with him so even if it happened it would be very hard to prove especially with that kind of info regarding her intentions.

[Poet]

I think OJ covered for his son

[underrated29]

Its possible that Kobe still raped her but i do remember the reports about the girl looking forward to hooking up with him so even if it happened it would be very hard to prove especially with that kind of info regarding her intentions.

She wanted money. She was all about it. I do not like Kobe at all and think he deserved what he got, but she made it a cash grab.

[Shazam!]

Kobe was totally railroaded why all the hate in im

[GEM]

The posts were deleted for a reason, anything further, we'll lock the thread down.

[aberdien]

speaking of getting away with murder

https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1151617351374086144