View Full Version : Anyone else growing concerned about Chubb?
Broncoknight30
09-17-2018, 07:48 AM
I keep an eye on him. He is not getting off blocks, really at all. He is not making an impact. Not anywhere close to what I was hoping for. I know, I know it is only two games. That is the kind of position where it really should not matter that much that he is a rookie. Meaning, it is not a matter of knowing the playbook and all of that.
Btw, that 4th down play yesterday where the Raiders fullback dropped the ball. I have no idea what Chubb was doing on that play. LUCKILY the FB dropped the ball. If you get a chance, watch that play. I am not sure what Chubb was doing there.
Anyone else concerned, or am I being too harsh?
BORDERLINE
09-17-2018, 08:09 AM
He’s young man. I don’t really remember Vons rookie year. He would disappear for stretches. There has to be some kind of learning curve. Once he gets some games under him he will unload. His size and speed is Elite. Couple that with Von on the other side and he will definitely improve.
BroncoJoe
09-17-2018, 08:10 AM
Good grief.
TXBRONC
09-17-2018, 08:13 AM
I keep an eye on him. He is not getting off blocks, really at all. He is not making an impact. Not anywhere close to what I was hoping for. I know, I know it is only two games. That is the kind of position where it really should not matter that much that he is a rookie. Meaning, it is not a matter of knowing the playbook and all of that.
Btw, that 4th down play yesterday where the Raiders fullback dropped the ball. I have no idea what Chubb was doing on that play. LUCKILY the FB dropped the ball. If you get a chance, watch that play. I am not sure what Chubb was doing there.
Anyone else concerned, or am I being too harsh?
I think you're being overly concerned with only being two games into the season. Also J.J. Watt had 5.5 sacks in his first season before he took off. His line mate Jadeveon Clowney really didn't have a breakout season until last year and that was his fourth in the League. Like Clowney, Chubb is also being asked learn a new position.
I can only speak for myself, and so personally I'm not worried.
BroncoNut
09-17-2018, 08:21 AM
he sounds like a fatass. I'm concerned about his weight
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
09-17-2018, 08:24 AM
How did he grade out yesterday? He was pretty dominant the first week.
I’d be interested how much success the Raiders had running at him. My gut says not much.i think they were running at the other side of our line when they were having success.
I keep an eye on him. He is not getting off blocks, really at all. He is not making an impact. Not anywhere close to what I was hoping for. I know, I know it is only two games. That is the kind of position where it really should not matter that much that he is a rookie. Meaning, it is not a matter of knowing the playbook and all of that.
Btw, that 4th down play yesterday where the Raiders fullback dropped the ball. I have no idea what Chubb was doing on that play. LUCKILY the FB dropped the ball. If you get a chance, watch that play. I am not sure what Chubb was doing there.
Anyone else concerned, or am I being too harsh?
Agreed on the fourth down play. He decided the FB wasn't the target and was falling back to help cover the TE or whoever was running that next level route. Since that receiver was covered, he should have stayed on the FB.
Other than that, no concerns, he's a rookie starting from day one. He's learning how to be an NFL player.
ShaneFalco
09-17-2018, 09:05 AM
concerned is a bit strong.
but yea, i agree, he isnt doing much out there.
I saw a couple plays where they had him stunt back to the inside and he just looked slow.
Part of that is also because Woods refuses to play press coverage and allow his pass rush to get sacks.
Which makes me wonder why even draft a pass rusher? If you are not going to run schemes that benefit pass rush?
Woods and his zone d nonsense against Marshawn Lynch who barely got any carries.
BroncoWave
09-17-2018, 09:09 AM
Agreed on the fourth down play. He decided the FB wasn't the target and was falling back to help cover the TE or whoever was running that next level route. Since that receiver was covered, he should have stayed on the FB.
Other than that, no concerns, he's a rookie starting from day one. He's learning how to be an NFL player.
Yeah he screwed up that forth down play big time. Got big time bailed out. Otherwise, though, I can't say I'm worried. He'll be fine.
Davii
09-17-2018, 09:27 AM
Yeah he screwed up that forth down play big time. Got big time bailed out. Otherwise, though, I can't say I'm worried. He'll be fine.
He looked like he was going to stick with the fullback for a second and then carried up field, I was telling at the TV before the ball ever left Carr's hand.
Nomad
09-17-2018, 10:01 AM
Rookie....2nd regular season game....taking some of the focus off Von Miller.....Chubb will be fine. An individual will make mistakes only to learn and get better.
Hawgdriver
09-17-2018, 10:10 AM
Chubb had a great 1st game overall. He's going to stick out from time to time like a dumb rookie. He kinda is, for now.
Bronco4ever
09-17-2018, 10:31 AM
That Raiders O-line is no joke. They hold up pretty well over the course of a game.
TXBRONC
09-17-2018, 10:49 AM
Agreed on the fourth down play. He decided the FB wasn't the target and was falling back to help cover the TE or whoever was running that next level route. Since that receiver was covered, he should have stayed on the FB.
Other than that, no concerns, he's a rookie starting from day one. He's learning how to be an NFL player.
Yes he made a mistake on that fourth down play but this is guy trying to learn a new position. He did play in coverage while he was at NCST. but he still has a substantial learning curve.
Krugan
09-17-2018, 10:58 AM
Chubb, no. Keenum, abit.
Northman
09-17-2018, 11:27 AM
Not really, its only been a couple of games.
Slick
09-17-2018, 11:33 AM
Being the 5th pick in the draft gives us high expectations. He’ll never be Von Miller.
I wouldn't say concerned, but I had a thought yesterday that I wonder if he'd be quicker if he was like 10 lbs lighter. Shane Ray, Von Miller and Shaq Barrett all weigh ~250 lbs - Chubb is 270.
dogfish
09-17-2018, 11:41 AM
Good grief.
this guy cries more than joel. . .
MOtorboat
09-17-2018, 11:45 AM
I wouldn't say concerned, but I had a thought yesterday that I wonder if he'd be quicker if he was like 10 lbs lighter. Shane Ray, Von Miller and Shaq Barrett all weigh ~250 lbs - Chubb is 270.
Would that make him worse against the run? Denver needs one of the defensive ends to set the edge, and I’m not sure Ray and Barrett are very good at that.
MOtorboat
09-17-2018, 11:46 AM
Also, it’s week 2 of his rookie season.
Jsteve01
09-17-2018, 01:07 PM
I wouldn't say concerned, but I had a thought yesterday that I wonder if he'd be quicker if he was like 10 lbs lighter. Shane Ray, Von Miller and Shaq Barrett all weigh ~250 lbs - Chubb is 270.
Would that make him worse against the run? Denver needs one of the defensive ends to set the edge, and I’m not sure Ray and Barrett are very good at that.
Yeah lets just demarcus walker or robert ayers his ass. Sheesh. He is the strong side linebacker snd needs to be ablt to bold up against linemen and tight ends
HORSEPOWER 56
09-17-2018, 01:37 PM
Let’s not forget that most of the time, he lines up vs the opposing LT. Von gets to line up vs the “inferior” RT most plays. At Seattle, Chubb lined up against pro bowler Duane Brown most of the game. Von got a scrub RT to feast on. Vs the Raiduhs other than Von’s 2 sacks (one called back on a penalty), the defense really got no pressure because of the dink and dunk passing game and complete lack by Woods to play press with our DBs (lined up 10+ yds off the ball) to give the pass rush some help.
Also, Von and Chubb will be better if we can play with the lead. We led for 6 whole seconds yesterday. Chubb has already shown he’s better vs the run than Ray or Barrett.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
09-17-2018, 01:51 PM
The Oakland offense is designed to wear front seven players out by getting them to run sideline to sideline. If your offense can’t get more than one first down in a half you are usually going to be screwed because your d will get gassed. I honestly thought our D was looking dominant in the first quarter.
Did anyone notice we only had the scrum rush going in the first quarter? That’s because our guys were freaking exhausted and we had to start sitting Miller and Chubb for an entire series at a time. We had to rotate our OLB’s after the first quarter. I really hope going forward we are quicker to make adjustments on the fly and give Keenum the option to audible to PAP against 8 man fronts. Waiting an entire half of football is stupid.
No. His first game he had half a sack and graded out well in the run game. Yesterday he had issues. If he wasn't out there playing with a high motor, then I would be concerned. I am predisposed to liking the guy so I have my bias. However, I had Sunday Ticket going yesterday and between four games going at once I saw a lot of sketchy LB play. Especially in coverage.
Does it excuse the **** up? No. But, let's also be clear, had that FB caught the ball Chubb is enough of an athlete to contest that play. Does that mean he would have come up with the stop? Nope, but he very well could have.
Chubb has already shown he’s better vs the run than Ray or Barrett.
When did this happen? I must have missed it.
UnderArmour
09-17-2018, 08:41 PM
Von's rookie year, it took a blowout loss by the hands of Aaron Rodgers for him to really find his groove. After that week 4 game, he really started to take off. Very similar set of circumstances too, because Von had Elvis Dumervil on the other side of him at the time. I expect for everything to come together for Chubb soon.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
09-17-2018, 09:47 PM
When did this happen? I must have missed it.
He graded our really well against the run the first week. He had short stops and a tfl. I don’t know how yesterday graded out yet. Of course saying he’s better against the run than Shane Ray isn’t saying much.
Ziggy
09-17-2018, 10:36 PM
He had 6 pressures and a half sack in his first NFL game. Scrub.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
09-17-2018, 11:00 PM
He had 6 pressures and a half sack in his first NFL game. Scrub.
Lol
WARHORSE
09-17-2018, 11:43 PM
Im not concerned with him. The Ratturds Oline is a very good one. They pretty much handled Suh, Donald and the Rams last week.
Understanding that, I think our Dline did very well considering.
Not concerned with Chubb........he is no Von Miller......but he may very well be a Michael Strahan before all is said and done. As for that play where he turned upfield........rookie blues.
elsid13
09-18-2018, 04:47 AM
I recommend we trade him for bucket of warm bud light lime and used Tebow jerseys
Elevation inc
09-19-2018, 09:21 AM
profootballfocus says he is doing just fine with a 79.6 Pash rush grade through 2 weeks. For perspective von is usually around 84-86. Of course they don't know half the info people on this site watching TV do......
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
09-19-2018, 09:25 AM
profootballfocus says he is doing just fine with a 79.6 Pash rush grade through 2 weeks. For perspective von is usually around 84-86. Of course they don't know half the info people on this site watching TV do......
How did he grade out against the run in week 2? He was really good the first week, but I haven’t seen any stats for week 2.
Elevation inc
09-19-2018, 09:31 AM
I don't get to see all the stats as I'm not premium, but he was praised as a top rookie for the week via their site in one of the articles for the public. For me the only players I see right now really struggling against the run, are Brandon marshall who I knew was screwed after what I saw preseason, and Gostis. Those 2 are liabilities right now which is why I would expect to see more of Josy. If Marshall continues to fail like he has against the run his time in Denver could be in jeopardy.....
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
09-19-2018, 09:59 AM
I don't get to see all the stats as I'm not premium, but he was praised as a top rookie for the week via their site in one of the articles for the public. For me the only players I see right now really struggling against the run, are Brandon marshall who I knew was screwed after what I saw preseason, and Gostis. Those 2 are liabilities right now which is why I would expect to see more of Josy. If Marshall continues to fail like he has against the run his time in Denver could be in jeopardy.....
Gotcha, Im a little concerned about Wolfe too. He seems to be really quiet so far.
Freyaka
09-19-2018, 12:01 PM
Anyone who is concerned needs to lay off the knee jerking a bit. He played well in his first game and got a lot of pressures (like 6 I think) and a half sack. As a team we had like 7 sacks that game... The second game, our DC was very, very inept and ran off man zone coverage the entire game giving the WR's like 10 yards of free space before contact. We got dinked and dunked on and has like 1 sack because it is impossible to generate enough pressure for sacks when the QB releases the ball instantly every play.
In both games, Chubb did well against the run.
Chubb's going to be good, he's got the potentially to be a solid all around defender and not simply a pass rush specialist, but that doesn't happen instantly. It didn't happen instantly for Von either. He's going to have to grow a bit and 2 games in is a bit premature to expect that sudden growth.
Jsteve01
09-19-2018, 12:08 PM
Anyone who is concerned needs to lay off the knee jerking a bit. He played well in his first game and got a lot of pressures (like 6 I think) and a half sack. As a team we had like 7 sacks that game... The second game, our DC was very, very inept and ran off man zone coverage the entire game giving the WR's like 10 yards of free space before contact. We got dinked and dunked on and has like 1 sack because it is impossible to generate enough pressure for sacks when the QB releases the ball instantly every play.
In both games, Chubb did well against the run.
Chubb's going to be good, he's got the potentially to be a solid all around defender and not simply a pass rush specialist, but that doesn't happen instantly. It didn't happen instantly for Von either. He's going to have to grow a bit and 2 games in is a bit premature to expect that sudden growth.
This
Jsteve01
09-19-2018, 12:09 PM
Anyone who is concerned needs to lay off the knee jerking a bit. He played well in his first game and got a lot of pressures (like 6 I think) and a half sack. As a team we had like 7 sacks that game... The second game, our DC was very, very inept and ran off man zone coverage the entire game giving the WR's like 10 yards of free space before contact. We got dinked and dunked on and has like 1 sack because it is impossible to generate enough pressure for sacks when the QB releases the ball instantly every play.
In both games, Chubb did well against the run.
Chubb's going to be good, he's got the potentially to be a solid all around defender and not simply a pass rush specialist, but that doesn't happen instantly. It didn't happen instantly for Von either. He's going to have to grow a bit and 2 games in is a bit premature to expect that sudden growth.aaaand lets not forget he has much more responsibility as a slb in this defense than he ever did at nc state. Lots to learn that can only come under fire
Freyaka
09-19-2018, 02:41 PM
NFL.Com think's he's been the second best defensive rookie through two games... So no, I am not growing concerned lol
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000964133/article/top-10-defensive-rookies-chargers-derwin-james-jumps-off-film
2) Bradley Chubb, edge rusher, Denver Broncos
Chubb has to work on getting off blocks, but he made an instant impact in the season opener with half a sack and a handful of hurries opposite an unstoppable Von Miller. More than just a pass rusher, he was a force against Marshawn Lynch and Oakland's ground attack in Week 2.
Broncoknight30
09-19-2018, 06:28 PM
Yeah, watching that Raiders game on replay he had a better day than I thought. He was pretty solid against the run. He is not being pushed back.
I guess my hope was a version of Demarcus Ware as far as pass rush. Last year I thought one of the big problems was no one was a real threat opposite Miller. As a result his sack numbers were down. Teams easily blocked him with little concern of others.
I am hoping one of these games Chubb really pushes that pocket or gets some QB pressures. He will be needed. That Mahomes has me concerned.
Yeah, watching that Raiders game on replay he had a better day than I thought. He was pretty solid against the run. He is not being pushed back.
I guess my hope was a version of Demarcus Ware as far as pass rush. Last year I thought one of the big problems was no one was a real threat opposite Miller. As a result his sack numbers were down. Teams easily blocked him with little concern of others.
I am hoping one of these games Chubb really pushes that pocket or gets some QB pressures. He will be needed. That Mahomes has me concerned.
Chubb is going to be more of a Suggs type player who is a good pass rusher, not a great one (sans a season or two) but an overall great defender. I don't foresee him being a guy who pushes 15-20 sacks a lot.
Freyaka
09-19-2018, 07:19 PM
Yeah, watching that Raiders game on replay he had a better day than I thought. He was pretty solid against the run. He is not being pushed back.
I guess my hope was a version of Demarcus Ware as far as pass rush. Last year I thought one of the big problems was no one was a real threat opposite Miller. As a result his sack numbers were down. Teams easily blocked him with little concern of others.
I am hoping one of these games Chubb really pushes that pocket or gets some QB pressures. He will be needed. That Mahomes has me concerned.
It happens man. In emotional games like this one, I have a bad habbit of missing things and then I watch it again and see it in a new light. This year has been rough because I haven't had DVR so my first look is the only look I end up getting. Thankfully I will have DVR again starting Sunday!
BeefStew25
09-19-2018, 07:50 PM
Sometimes during games I find myself sobbing.
Timmy!
09-19-2018, 08:01 PM
Sometimes during games I find myself sobbing.
I will hold you.
spikerman
09-19-2018, 08:04 PM
I will hold you.
Get in line, fella.
Jsteve01
09-19-2018, 08:13 PM
Yeah, watching that Raiders game on replay he had a better day than I thought. He was pretty solid against the run. He is not being pushed back.
I guess my hope was a version of Demarcus Ware as far as pass rush. Last year I thought one of the big problems was no one was a real threat opposite Miller. As a result his sack numbers were down. Teams easily blocked him with little concern of others.
I am hoping one of these games Chubb really pushes that pocket or gets some QB pressures. He will be needed. That Mahomes has me concerned.
Chubb is going to be more of a Suggs type player who is a good pass rusher, not a great one (sans a season or two) but an overall great defender. I don't foresee him being a guy who pushes 15-20 sacks a lot. floor is nine or 10 and his best year will be 15 or thereabouts.
Elevation inc
09-20-2018, 09:35 AM
Chubb is getting good pressure and has been solid against the run. To be honest I think that's why teams are having to go 1 on 1 more with miller is its much harder to double and triple team him now, because so far Chubb isn't a liability at all. I think when all is said and done he will have an above average run defense grade, about 10 sacks and a average or below average coverage grade, his few snaps in coverage weren't great so far, but that's to be expected from a rookie who isn't to familiar with that lol
Elevation inc
09-20-2018, 09:39 AM
Gotcha, Im a little concerned about Wolfe too. He seems to be really quiet so far.
Wolfe has never been a huge pass rush guy just bull rush is his only skill. I think his high has been 6 sacks....he isn't a liability against the run so far though, but your correct in the fact he hasn't had those explosive backfield disruption plays like we have seen, it could be mental issues, with the neck injury and worried about getting hurt again. However Marshall is getting absolutely destroyed in run defense, it reminds me of when we went 3-4 and tried Woodyard at ILB at 224 lbs lol.....
Freyaka
09-20-2018, 09:39 AM
PFF has him in the top 10 for both run and pass defense. I'd say he's doing just fine :D
You can already see the impact he's having on our defense. Von had what, 10 sacks last year? He's got 4 already. Part of that is having Chubb on the other side getting pressure on the QB and forcing him into Von's tender loving embrace.
Elevation inc
09-20-2018, 09:48 AM
Hey Frey....Can you see Marshalls grade?
Freyaka
09-20-2018, 10:04 AM
Hey Frey....Can you see Marshalls grade?
No, I'm just going off info seen elsewhere, I'm just a poor boy from a poor family.
I don't get PFF :D
dogfish
09-23-2018, 12:07 PM
:lol:
Valar Morghulis
09-23-2018, 01:06 PM
Send him to Canton.
this might be your greatest post, the disdain and sardonic tone is delightful
ShaneFalco
09-28-2018, 03:47 PM
so with the league removing defense from the game.
Makes me wonder why the team even drafted Chubb.
If i am a team, i not wasting picks on defensive players ever again, until the rules change back.
Freyaka
09-28-2018, 04:28 PM
so with the league removing defense from the game.
Makes me wonder why the team even drafted Chubb.
If i am a team, i not wasting picks on defensive players ever again, until the rules change back.
We should call up Tebow and see if he wants to play MLB... Since you know, defenses don't matter now :D
ShaneFalco
09-28-2018, 04:38 PM
We should call up Tebow and see if he wants to play MLB... Since you know, defenses don't matter now :D
would be a better QB then Keesum
gregbroncs
09-28-2018, 05:59 PM
would be a better QB then KeesumKeenum has been bad, but not Tebow bad.
ShaneFalco
09-28-2018, 06:51 PM
tebows playoff win was an absolute dime across the middle.
keesums playoff win was a sham made by the safety afraid to hit a receiver because the NFL has removed the defenses balls.
Ground Control
09-28-2018, 08:20 PM
so with the league removing defense from the game.
Makes me wonder why the team even drafted Chubb.
If i am a team, i not wasting picks on defensive players ever again, until the rules change back.
I assume you mean pass rushers and not defense, on the whole. If the league is favoring QBs at all costs, the secondary is critical...and pass rush...and d-line to control RBs and keep QBs honest..and ILBs for all of it. Crap, I guess the entire D is still critical. I do agree that I would lean more towards offense as a drafting priority but maybe 60% - 40%? I'm not sure and I'm glad that my betters are making those decisions and having to deal with the BS you're talking about. Because it is BS.
But if this is the way the NFL is going, it is just a matter of adjusting. If it goes the way of the Arena League in the long term, the NFL will feel the pain finiancially. If not, and this is just a means to the end of more points, maybe we'll swallow it and move one. There are many hits on the QB (and anyone else) that I wonder why they happened. It has been the norm for so long, I assume off-ball violence is part of the game. And yeah, for that kind of money it should be. I don't like it because the QB thrives on being the man and now it looks like he doesn't have to pay the price for being the man. If he is exempt from late hits and non-ball carrier tackles, than every player should be to the same extent, IMO.
As for Chubb, no concerns here. Here as been better at some things and lesser at others, when compared to other top-drafted pass rushers. He's doing fine and is learning from the best of the best. If pass rushers and all around athletic OLBs have any value at all, he's worth every penny, IMO.
Ground Control
09-28-2018, 08:31 PM
Keenum has been bad, but not Tebow bad.
He's been bad and good. He's made me hurt like I hurt last year...and he's lead comebacks like Elway or Manning. If this continues, I say it's not worth it but last year wasn't a fluke. That is who he is, IMO. He has to get past being the man, though. He has to stop thinking he has tom do everything and go back to being a great game manager. Manning was the best game manager in NFL history, so being one isn't a bad thing by default. If that's all he is, regardless of how good of one he is, we will eventually want to move on. If he eliminates the stupid and grows the solid, he can be the kind of manager that keeps turnovers to a hard minimum, while he keeps the Broncos at the top of the heap in +20 plays, as we stand today.
I'm still critical but he's definitely got it in him. We'll see in the next 5 games or so...
gregbroncs
09-29-2018, 12:18 PM
tebows playoff win was an absolute dime across the middle.
keesums playoff win was a sham made by the safety afraid to hit a receiver because the NFL has removed the defenses balls.
So? He made one good throw that the receiver turned into a great play. Other than that he was pretty much the worst throwing QB since I've been watching football.
MOtorboat
09-29-2018, 12:35 PM
So? He made one good throw that the receiver turned into a great play. Other than that he was pretty much the worst throwing QB since I've been watching football.
Not “pretty much” just “was.”
:wave:
Valar Morghulis
09-29-2018, 12:55 PM
He was a great gunner though
MOtorboat
09-29-2018, 01:50 PM
He was a great gunner though
Was he though? Played about 3/4 of a season and got cut. Never played again. (Also, it was punt protector, not gunner)
:whoknows: :wave:
Valar Morghulis
09-29-2018, 02:04 PM
Was he though? Played about 3/4 of a season and got cut. Never played again. (Also, it was punt protector, not gunner)
:whoknows: :wave:
Jeez I never knew you were such a teebowite
Valar Morghulis
09-29-2018, 02:09 PM
Cody Latimer is the greatest gunner
dogfish
09-29-2018, 03:07 PM
Jeez I never knew you were such a teebowite
tebMO. . .
elsid13
09-30-2018, 10:54 AM
If there inside pressure from one of DL I think OLB would be extremely dominate. We need someone to step up and penetrate up the middle.
Broncoknight30
09-30-2018, 12:17 PM
If there inside pressure from one of DL I think OLB would be extremely dominate. We need someone to step up and penetrate up the middle.
I wish they would experiment with a "NASCAR" DL for the Chiefs.
Von and Chubb at the ends with Walker and Wolfe in the middle.
Dapper Dan
09-30-2018, 04:52 PM
I didn't read through, so I don't know if it's been said. But if you have an erection for over 4 hours you should consult your doctor.
sneakers
09-30-2018, 10:01 PM
Jarvis Moss
Chidoze
10-02-2018, 12:32 AM
He’s young man. I don’t really remember Vons rookie year. He would disappear for stretches. There has to be some kind of learning curve. Once he gets some games under him he will unload. His size and speed is Elite. Couple that with Von on the other side and he will definitely improve.
You could tell Von was special right from the start. He did have like a 2 or 3 game stretch where he didn’t have any sacks, but he had a bunch of Qb pressures. By mid season of Vons rookie year it was evident he would be the DROY. It’s only 4 games, but you can tell something is off with Chubb. He’s not there yet. Maybe next year.
Chubb is showing he's great against the run, he's getting hurries and a few hits, isn't he? I guess I'm just seeing a guy who is a good pass rusher and great overall defender do that?
ShaneFalco
10-02-2018, 12:35 AM
So? He made one good throw that the receiver turned into a great play. Other than that he was pretty much the worst throwing QB since I've been watching football.
Tebow beat the Chiefs throwing 2 passes.
Keesum cant even hit wide open recievers.
Chidoze
10-02-2018, 12:35 AM
We need someone to step up and penetrate up the middle.
That’s what she said.....
Chubb is showing he's great against the run, he's getting hurries and a few hits, isn't he? I guess I'm just seeing a guy who is a good pass rusher and great overall defender do that?
Am I missing something here? Seriously, am I off?
Chidoze
10-02-2018, 12:40 AM
Chubb is showing he's great against the run, he's getting hurries and a few hits, isn't he? I guess I'm just seeing a guy who is a good pass rusher and great overall defender do that?
Being that it’s his rookie year, I wouldn’t call him good or great at either. The 1 or 2 plays a game he makes is average at best.
Being that it’s his rookie year, I wouldn’t call him good or great at either. The 1 or 2 plays a game he makes is average at best.
God that seems overly brutal.
dogfish
10-02-2018, 12:44 AM
Chubb is showing he's great against the run, he's getting hurries and a few hits, isn't he? I guess I'm just seeing a guy who is a good pass rusher and great overall defender do that?
he's doing fine. . . learning a new position as well as adjusting to the speed of the NFL game, and he's been solid, and shown tons of potential. . . people's expectations that every rookie should look like a hall of famer out of the gate are beyond ridiculous. . . it's silly. . .
Chidoze
10-02-2018, 01:11 AM
God that seems overly brutal.
I’m not saying hes a bust, or sucks by any means. I’m not going to say hes a playmaker or a difference maker either. He needs better coaches and a year of experience. He’ll get better.
Hawgdriver
10-02-2018, 01:21 AM
Chubb is legit imo.
elsid13
10-02-2018, 11:59 AM
Chubb needs to set the edge better. A couple of those long runs by Hunt came when he decided to go inside vs holding his gap.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-02-2018, 12:11 PM
Chubb is showing he's great against the run, he's getting hurries and a few hits, isn't he? I guess I'm just seeing a guy who is a good pass rusher and great overall defender do that?
Chubb is a very good football player. I’m totally lost on the idea he isn’t.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-02-2018, 12:12 PM
Kinda wish he was Rosen.
Kelly will not be smelly.
It’s a new slogan. Go with it.
Kelly will not be smelly.
It’s a new slogan. Go with it.
In Rosen's first start he threw a TD, no pick, solid completion percentage and two dropped TD passes. He is already on par with what we have now. I just want a young QB with talent to be a Bronco so I can invest the energy and watch the development from young QB to league incinerating monster.
Instead we have a QB that honestly was lucky to ever get into the league in the first place...
elsid13
10-02-2018, 06:04 PM
In Rosen's first start he threw a TD, no pick, solid completion percentage and two dropped TD passes. He is already on par with what we have now. I just want a young QB with talent to be a Bronco so I can invest the energy and watch the development from young QB to league incinerating monster.
Instead we have a QB that honestly was lucky to ever get into the league in the first place...
Don't worry we have a shot at young franchise potential QB next draft and pass on him for 26 year running back from utah.
Tangerine
10-02-2018, 06:46 PM
Mike Hawk is never concerned about Chubb...
dogfish
10-02-2018, 06:53 PM
Mike Hawk is never concerned about Chubb...
boom, bitches!
Mike Hawk is a man we can trust!
ShaneFalco
10-03-2018, 06:19 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DonIgw9XUAEXed0.jpg
Broncoknight30
10-08-2018, 11:43 AM
Anyone having growing concerns about Chubb yet? Perhaps he is not ideal as a 3-4 stand up OLB. Perhaps he is more suitable as a 4-3 hand in the dirt DE.
MOtorboat
10-08-2018, 12:26 PM
Concerns? No.
ShaneFalco
10-08-2018, 08:35 PM
Chubb play doesnt seem to me like a scheme issue.
The guy is routinely getting blocked by TES 1 on 1and letting Rbs have the edge.
it would be different if they chipped him but nope. 1 on 1
2 massive runs to chubbs side, one that was a td
Chubb play doesnt seem to me like a scheme issue.
The guy is routinely getting blocked by TES 1 on 1and letting Rbs have the edge.
it would be different if they chipped him but nope. 1 on 1
2 massive runs to chubbs side, one that was a td
Maybe we should have just taken Rosen.
ShaneFalco
10-08-2018, 09:30 PM
Maybe we should have just taken Rosen.
why draft a QB for chad Kelly to beat out?
why draft a QB for chad Kelly to beat out?
OoOoOOOooOOoh! An erudite response.
BroncoWave
10-08-2018, 09:40 PM
why draft a QB for chad Kelly to beat out?
Why draft anyone at all, right? Just let Chad play all 22 positions and win the game by himself!
goodforubud
10-08-2018, 11:23 PM
I keep an eye on him. He is not getting off blocks, really at all. He is not making an impact. Not anywhere close to what I was hoping for. I know, I know it is only two games. That is the kind of position where it really should not matter that much that he is a rookie. Meaning, it is not a matter of knowing the playbook and all of that.
Btw, that 4th down play yesterday where the Raiders fullback dropped the ball. I have no idea what Chubb was doing on that play. LUCKILY the FB dropped the ball. If you get a chance, watch that play. I am not sure what Chubb was doing there.
Anyone else concerned, or am I being too harsh?
Hard to say - he's still a rookie. I'm more concerned that wolfe, peko, and Gotsis were really stout against the run last year. I don't get the fall off. I cant think of one defensive play call that was like wow, great call. It's like teams know what to expect and Broncos get dominated in game plan. How are we not pressuring the QB? We don't surprise the offense and we are who they thought we are every week.
Ground Control
10-08-2018, 11:26 PM
He has been good but not great. I'm also getting the feeling that a bunch of great players are not even being good on this team. Maybe more than talent is the issue? Maybe even the greats Chubb was supposed to learn under are not being so great. Coaching, anyone? Leadership and motivation? I know I'm not positive on this issue but I know that it's been a year and a half I've been living in the same replay and with the same empty quotes from VJ and Broncos leadership. Chubb may not be what he has been touted to be but maybe this year (and this coaching staff) isn't the year to determine that? When all hell and implosion is happening again, how can we properly judge any of the players that are Broncos?
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-08-2018, 11:35 PM
He’s a rookie 5 games into his career. He’s not a bust because he’s not playing at a pro bowl level. Miller didn’t do much his rookie year either.
None of the rookie quarterbacks are playing at a pro bowl level either. Rosen isn’t even completing 50% of his passes.
goodforubud
10-08-2018, 11:39 PM
why draft a QB for chad Kelly to beat out?
I think Chad is the guy, let's find out before drafting drafting a QB. He's seems like a dog like freeland for Rox fans.
His immaturity was the biggest red flag coming out, but he's been a pro by all accounts. Swag:30, let that man play (to preface, I'm a big Case fan, but all that talk about accuracy is hot garbage. I've seen to many blatant over/under throws) Go Kelly.
He’s a rookie 5 games into his career. He’s not a bust because he’s not playing at a pro bowl level. Miller didn’t do much his rookie year either.
None of the rookie quarterbacks are playing at a pro bowl level either. Rosen isn’t even completing 50% of his passes.
But, as noted, Rosen has had about three dropped TDs and plays in a brutal division. He's getting nice reviews from people who were skeptical upon him.
He also, more importantly, has enough talent to be a legitimate QB. Keenum was lucky to get into the league, was almost out of the league, and is playing at a practice squad level. It's not about playing at a Pro Bowl Level so much as showing you belong. Darnold made some really impressive throws on Sunday. Rosen is already starting to read defenses at a good clip. Mayfield's flashed great promise.
Yeah, Keenum's going to consistently make the bare bones plays that those guys are growing into, but meh. Even a good QB , not a great one, is worth a lot. In today's game, you'd be better off starting a franchise with prime Phillip Rivers than prime Walter Payton.
Believe that, sucker. Now shoot yourself in the ass with that you sassy boy! Also, I sort believe of what I just wrote, but I mostly wrote this to remind you that MMA is just shitty boxing and wrestling. #longgametroll
#GOAT
#youstoppedtalibing
#burgers
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-09-2018, 12:05 AM
I believe Rosen is a fine prospect. This my point.
dogfish
10-09-2018, 12:06 AM
He has been good but not great. I'm also getting the feeling that a bunch of great players are not even being good on this team. Maybe more than talent is the issue? Maybe even the greats Chubb was supposed to learn under are not being so great. Coaching, anyone? Leadership and motivation? I know I'm not positive on this issue but I know that it's been a year and a half I've been living in the same replay and with the same empty quotes from VJ and Broncos leadership. Chubb may not be what he has been touted to be but maybe this year (and this coaching staff) isn't the year to determine that? When all hell and implosion is happening again, how can we properly judge any of the players that are Broncos?
no doubt. . .chubb is a college down lineman being asked not only to adjust to the speed of the NFL, but also to learn a new position at the same time. . . on a team that doesn't employ a full-time outside linebackers coach. . . seriously, how many guys is reggie herring responsible for now? we have like 10 or 11 LBs on the roster, mostly inexperienced guys. . . how much one-on-one coaching is chubb even getting? do they have him working with kollar as well, like von is? it's cool that they brought back demarcus as a consultant, but i wish we had a permanent, every day guy there also. . . certainly couldn't hurt chubb's development. . .
most people these days have about as much patience as a five-year-old waiting while his mom tries on shoes. . .
I believe Rosen is a fine prospect. This my point.
I blacked out - I just assume I'm right, you're wrong, I won, you lost, and that everyone appreciates margarine.
To your and Dog's point, we might be irked at having Rosen and go "well maybe with a veteran the offense is better and the defense blah blah blah."
So I get it. I just fear that we do need a real rebuild, and if so then we literally kicked the can down the road when we had real options, a plethora of them. In that case, no pass rusher is really worth it.
dogfish
10-15-2018, 05:59 PM
so, are people ready to calm down about chubb after he had three sacks yesterday?
He got two sacks against an elite LT. He's not going to give you twenty sacks like God-tier Ware/Watt. But he's going to give you a lot of twelve sack seasons while brutalizing the run.
Cherish him.
Broncoknight30
10-15-2018, 06:07 PM
Chubb suuuuuucks
Cugel
10-15-2018, 06:16 PM
I believe Rosen is a fine prospect. This my point.
Rosen fell to 10th in the draft. At that point anybody in the NFL could have moved up to draft him. The Patriots, the Steelers, the Ravens, the Giants, just to name teams that either were expected to draft a first round QB or did do so.
Teams weren't that sure of him so they passed. And drafted Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph and Kyle Lauletta instead.
Nobody is going to know about these QBs for a couple of years. :coffee:
MOtorboat
10-15-2018, 06:26 PM
Rosen fell to 10th in the draft. At that point anybody in the NFL could have moved up to draft him. The Patriots, the Steelers, the Ravens, the Giants, just to name teams that either were expected to draft a first round QB or did do so.
Teams weren't that sure of him so they passed. And drafted Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph and Kyle Lauletta instead.
Nobody is going to know about these QBs for a couple of years. :coffee:
So your contention is Rosen isn’t good because four teams with established, top-half-of-the-league QBs didn’t trade up to get him?
That seems like poor logic.
Broncoknight30
10-15-2018, 06:47 PM
So your contention is Rosen isn’t good because four teams with established, top-half-of-the-league QBs didn’t trade up to get him?
That seems like poor logic.
If he stays healthy, he should have a solid career. If he stays healthy and if that was a gaurantee, I would have loved for the Broncos to have drafted him. However, that is not just a small concern with him.
He was a tennis prodigy until a shoulder injury. That is TENNIS.
He was not exactly healthy at UCLA either. We are to believe he is going to remain healthy in the NFL? I am personally working under the assumption that injuries are going to be an issue with him. Then again this league has really made it impossible for QBs to get injured.
Simple Jaded
10-16-2018, 10:23 PM
I told y’all that Chubb was legit. Smdh
I told y’all that Chubb was legit. Smdh
You are the board's best football savant, and it's not even close.
I love you.
But I will still beat your ass if you get out of line. You need some discipline.
Simple Jaded
10-16-2018, 10:32 PM
You are the board's best football savant, and it's not even close.
I love you.
But I will still beat your ass if you get out of line. You need some discipline.
I love you too, sizzle-chest.
Btw ... Parastiff is galactically overrated, change my mind.
I love you too, sizzle-chest.
Btw ... Parastiff is galactically overrated, change my mind.
He plays well with bad players around him. If you don't like that avenue of discussion, here's another one.
He's not known by many media members, even this board barely talks about him, and he's at least an above average player. It's hard for him to be overrated.
Simple Jaded
10-16-2018, 10:38 PM
He plays well with bad players around him. If you don't like that avenue of discussion, here's another one.
He's not known by many media members, even this board barely talks about him, and he's at least an above average player. It's hard for him to be overrated.
Ok, he’s galactically overrated by people who talk about him, change my mind.
Ok, he’s galactically overrated by people who talk about him, change my mind.
Well, by just about any metric he grades out well. And, to be honest, those who are detractors on Paradis haven't really produced anything to the contrary. There aren't ten centers better than he - probably not five.
There's a certain point where if almost everyone and every metric says one thing, and there's nothing much on the other side, then what do you do?
He's a really good player.
Simple Jaded
10-16-2018, 11:09 PM
Center must be a really shitty position if there’s not 10 better than P-stiff.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-16-2018, 11:10 PM
I told y’all that Chubb was legit. Smdh
Really went out on a limb didn’t ya?
Simple Jaded
10-16-2018, 11:13 PM
Really went out on a limb didn’t ya?
Actually I was really getting worried about him, I just like to admit I’m wrong by completely and arrogantly contradicting everything I said before.
Center must be a really shitty position if there’s not 10 better than P-stiff.
J-Scribe is here!
Simple Jaded
10-16-2018, 11:22 PM
J-Scribe is here!
I watched his games ... I never played C but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Suite a cou-le weeks ago. I’m currently writing an article that proves absolutely nothing, standby for that.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-16-2018, 11:29 PM
Actually I was really getting worried about him, I just like to admit I’m wrong by completely and arrogantly contradicting everything I said before.
I wasn’t worried. He has all the measurables and the work ethic. Miller disappeared a lot his rookie year too
I watched his games ... I never played C but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Suite a cou-le weeks ago. I’m currently writing an article that proves absolutely nothing, standby for that.
I can't wait for you to cite to things that are either easily refuted, suspect in sample size, or factually true but not indicative of your overall claim.
Then you can tell me how I'm factually adverse.
Then...
Sorry I blacked out.
**** Michigan.
Simple Jaded
10-16-2018, 11:33 PM
I can't wait for you to cite to things that are either easily refuted, suspect in sample size, or factually true but not indicative of your overall claim.
Then you can tell me how I'm factually adverse.
Then...
Sorry I blacked out.
**** Michigan.
**** bacon.
Simple Jaded
10-16-2018, 11:34 PM
**** bacon.
I didn’t mean that, Bacon, you know you’re my world.
Elevation inc
10-17-2018, 06:48 AM
Chubb is just fine. He made very rookie mistakes in the jets game, but he is just that....a rookie. He looked great against very good Rams OL....people should stop worrying about him. In fact I was more irritated by Von's 3 game stretch of being MIA, then Chubb. Thank god they both made some noise against the rams. I hope von lights it up Thursday, never any good reason he shouldn't be rated top ten at his position unless he is hurt....
Freyaka
10-17-2018, 09:30 AM
I can't wait for you to cite to things that are either easily refuted, suspect in sample size, or factually true but not indicative of your overall claim.
Then you can tell me how I'm factually adverse.
Then...
Sorry I blacked out.
**** Michigan.
The state, or the college? I feel like both are good answers.
Davii
10-17-2018, 09:35 AM
Right now the Arizona Cardinals are getting worried about Chubb. I suspect this will be Von's best game this year so far.
Freyaka
10-17-2018, 09:38 AM
Right now the Arizona Cardinals are getting worried about Chubb. I suspect this will be Von's best game this year so far.
Knowing the competency of our coaching staff, I doubt it. Vance will probably recognize that the plays he was calling were generating a pass rush and go back to what wasn't working just to be safe. You know, since it worked great Wednesday in practice.
Davii
10-17-2018, 09:40 AM
Knowing the competency of our coaching staff, I doubt it. Vance will probably recognize that the plays he was calling were generating a pass rush and go back to what wasn't working just to be safe. You know, since it worked great Wednesday in practice.
You can't be sure which input made things a little better without changing that input again and testing the results!
Nomad
10-17-2018, 10:53 AM
Right now the Arizona Cardinals are getting worried about Chubb. I suspect this will be Von's best game this year so far.
Rosen gonna be on his back alot
dogfish
10-17-2018, 10:57 AM
Rosen gonna be on his back alot
king is excited!
king is excited!
He looks like Wave! I’m basically erect right now!!!!
Nomad
10-17-2018, 07:28 PM
king is excited!
I’m sure King will have his Rosen jersey on.
I’m sure King will have his Rosen jersey on.
It was nice of you to buy me that, albeit you treated yourself to a Nelson jersey, too.
JPPT1974
10-17-2018, 07:59 PM
Well it is now or never time for Denver. Need to win the rest of the games. In order to secure a playoff berth. KC is likely to win the AFC West!
dogfish
10-18-2018, 12:31 AM
Well it is now or never time for Denver. Need to win the rest of the games. In order to secure a playoff berth. KC is likely to win the AFC West!
nomad approves of your optimism. . .
We gonna win out. It has been written so it shall be.
dogfish
10-18-2018, 12:34 AM
We gonna win out. It has been written so it shall be.
keenum for MVP, with chubb as the rookie of the year?
keenum for MVP, with chubb as the rookie of the year?
The prophecy is real!!
Valar Morghulis
10-18-2018, 12:55 AM
The prophecy is real!!
About as real as tiny telepathic helmets for warrior anthropods
Hawgdriver
10-18-2018, 01:45 AM
About as real as tiny telepathic helmets for warrior anthropods
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Interloper! Father of lies!
:cultist:
The tiny helmets are very real, my friend. So tiny. So real. So ****** up right now.
Hawgdriver
10-18-2018, 01:46 AM
Go Broncos! WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Hawgdriver
10-18-2018, 01:46 AM
I'm drifting apart from my love.
Hawgdriver
10-18-2018, 01:48 AM
For real, though.
Since we are doing the four consecutive post thing.
Forgot what I was going to say.
I could just put some random characters out there, go ascii. All about the same.
dogfish
10-18-2018, 03:03 AM
hawg's wasted, and still types like a human. . .
take note und@w%r@tml]\p=t/ed29. . .
I'm drifting apart from my love.
???
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-18-2018, 09:07 AM
Love is a choice!
Love is a choice!
I choose you.
Hawgdriver
10-18-2018, 01:35 PM
I'm drifting apart from my love.
The Broncos, Kinger!
The Broncos, Kinger!
You and I, we're good, right? The Hawger and the Kinger are still friends, yes?
Hawgdriver
10-18-2018, 01:39 PM
You and I, we're good, right? The Hawger and the Kinger are still friends, yes?
You haven't found out then. Good.
:lol:
You and I, we're good, right? The Hawger and the Kinger are still friends, yes?
No. He hates you.
Valar Morghulis
10-18-2018, 01:41 PM
Needy ******* *******
No. He hates you.
:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
Needy ******* *******
Let's bond in our hate for the needy!
Needy ******* *******
We've had tension. Not sexual. He's too pretty and I'm too bearded. Wouldn't work. When two parties have had issues there's nothing wrong with one party asking the other what ground they're on.
Your post is ignorant of the context and that ignorance is excused as I love you.
But you're still an arse.
Valar Morghulis
10-18-2018, 01:57 PM
We've had tension. Not sexual. He's too pretty and I'm too bearded. Wouldn't work. When two parties have had issues there's nothing wrong with one party asking the other what ground they're on.
Your post is ignorant of the context and that ignorance is excused as I love you.
But you're still an arse.
exactly what a needy **** would say
exactly what a needy **** would say
Note that you didn't say incorrect; and that's good enough for me.
Simple Jaded
10-18-2018, 10:29 PM
Right now the Arizona Cardinals are getting worried about Chubb. I suspect this will be Von's best game this year so far.
I told you, slim.
Davii
10-18-2018, 10:32 PM
Right now the Arizona Cardinals are getting worried about Chubb. I suspect this will be Von's best game this year so far.
I just high-fived myself for this post.
MOtorboat
10-18-2018, 10:35 PM
exactly what a needy **** would say
Believe me sweety I got enough to feed the needy
No need to be greedy I got mad friends with Benz's
C-notes by the layers, true ******'' players
Jump in the Rover and come over
Tell your friends jump in the GS3, I got the chronic by the tree
Simple Jaded
10-18-2018, 10:36 PM
Believe me sweety I got enough to feed the needy
No need to be greedy I got mad friends with Benz's
C-notes by the layers, true ******'' players
Jump in the Rover and come over
Tell your friends jump in the GS3, I got the chronic by the tree
That’s beautiful, is that James Joyce?
MOtorboat
10-18-2018, 10:36 PM
That’s beautiful, is that James Joyce?
Man. How did you know?
Simple Jaded
10-18-2018, 10:39 PM
Man. How did you know?
I’m an intellectual.
Davii
10-18-2018, 10:45 PM
I’m an intellectual.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that sees it. When I think intellectual I think Jaded.
Simple Jaded
10-18-2018, 10:53 PM
I’m glad I’m not the only one that sees it. When I think intellectual I think Jaded.
Below the radar is where my intellect is best used.
dogfish
10-19-2018, 12:33 AM
Below the belt is where my intellect is best used.
yup. . .
chubb sure looks good, doesn't he?
Simple Jaded
10-19-2018, 12:52 AM
yup. . .
chubb sure looks good, doesn't he?
Well played sir.
dogfish
10-19-2018, 01:13 AM
chubb 1, rosen 0. . .
:defense:
Cugel
10-19-2018, 10:55 AM
It's interesting to see this thread after Chubb racked up 5 sacks the last 2 games to total 6.5. Teams are going to have to stop double-teaming Von Miller at some point or this guy will have 16 sacks his rookie year.
He's already looking like a lock for defensive rookie of the year.
Freyaka
10-19-2018, 11:32 AM
It's interesting to see this thread after Chubb racked up 5 sacks the last 2 games to total 6.5. Teams are going to have to stop double-teaming Von Miller at some point or this guy will have 16 sacks his rookie year.
He's already looking like a lock for defensive rookie of the year.
Yup...I've got something growing in relation to Chubb, but it's not concern
underrated29
10-19-2018, 12:03 PM
Its nice to not see him trying to cover TE 30 yards down the field. Let the dude figure out how to rush the passer first. Then drop him every now and again. I hate the coaching staff. Glad they activated Demarcus Walker.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
10-19-2018, 11:12 PM
Its nice to not see him trying to cover TE 30 yards down the field. Let the dude figure out how to rush the passer first. Then drop him every now and again. I hate the coaching staff. Glad they activated Demarcus Walker.
How did Walker look last night?
I only caught the last 4 minutes of the game, but it was enough to see Chubb go ham.
Simple Jaded
10-19-2018, 11:17 PM
A lock for DRotY?
Apparently Cugel never heard of Denzel Ward.
A lock for DPotY?
Apparently Cugel never heard of Denzel Ward.
What if Cleveland nabbed the best QB and the best defensive player?
What...what the **** is life?
Someone get a doctor...I'm...dying.
Simple Jaded
10-20-2018, 12:14 AM
What if Cleveland nabbed the best QB and the best defensive player?
What...what the **** is life?
Someone get a doctor...I'm...dying.
Dogs and cats living together!
Freyaka
11-01-2018, 09:08 AM
It cracks me up how premature this thread was... Chubb just named the NFL Defensive Rookie of the month.
Nice little tidbit from Reddit.
Chubb finished October with five starts, 16 tackles (13 solo), 13 pressures, eight quarterback hits, five tackles for loss and a pass defensed. Oh, also had 5.5 sacks this month (first rookie since Aldon Smith to record at least 5.5 sacks in a three-game span.)
BroncoJoe
11-01-2018, 09:19 AM
It cracks me up how premature this thread was... Chubb just named the NFL Defensive Rookie of the month.
Nice little tidbit from Reddit.
Not only that, but the Broncos could have both rookie of the year players on both sides of the ball. Chubb & Lindsay.
Broncoknight30
11-01-2018, 09:22 AM
So the chubb over Rosen pick appeals to everyone then?
BroncoJoe
11-01-2018, 09:25 AM
So the chubb over Rosenberg pick appeals to everyone then?
Who is Rosenberg?
TXBRONC
11-01-2018, 09:28 AM
Who is Rosenberg?
The deputy Attorney General of the U.S.?
Broncoknight30
11-01-2018, 09:31 AM
Who is Rosenberg?
Lol, why did that autocorrect a name?
Elevation inc
11-01-2018, 09:35 AM
So the chubb over Rosenberg pick appeals to everyone then?
For me 100% yes I hated Rosen as a prospect, still hate him and will probably continue to hate him. I wanted Mayfield or Darnold if we went QB. Chubb was a awesome pick, even in the wake of Keenum's struggles, which are a combination of him and inept coaching
Broncoknight30
11-01-2018, 09:47 AM
For me 100% yes I hated Rosen as a prospect, still hate him and will probably continue to hate him. I wanted Mayfield or Darnold if we went QB. Chubb was a awesome pick, even in the wake of Keenum's struggles, which are a combination of him and inept coaching
Yeah, turning out to be a nice pick. It was basically a no brainer. Glad to see he isn't another first round bust.
Denver Native (Carol)
11-01-2018, 10:13 AM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — After racking up 5.5 sacks in October, Bradley Chubb has been named the NFL’s Defensive Rookie of the Month.
Chubb hit his stride beginning with a Week 6 matchup with the Los Angeles Rams. He tallied three sacks against Jared Goff, then added two more against Josh Rosen five days later when the Broncos played the Cardinals.
The fifth-overall pick tallied his lone strip sack of the season the first time he brought down Rosen.
With his performance against the Cardinals, Chubb became the first Broncos rookie to record multiple sacks in consecutive games since Elvis Dumervil did that in 2009.
rest - https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/bradley-chubb-wins-nfl-defensive-rookie-of-the-month-honors-x0692
HORSEPOWER 56
11-01-2018, 10:27 AM
Not only that, but the Broncos could have both rookie of the year players on both sides of the ball. Chubb & Lindsay.
It’s a possibility, except for the name recognition and playing in Denver. Unless Lindsay is far and away the best (like Kamara last year) he won’t beat a high draft pick big name like Barkley who plays in NYC. Hell, I think Hunt was probably more deserving than Kamara last year. But KC vs NO and all.
Hawgdriver
11-01-2018, 10:39 AM
But KC vs NO and all.
???
:confused:
Cugel
11-01-2018, 12:29 PM
So the chubb over Rosen pick appeals to everyone then?
Even, considering how great Josh Rosen looked against the Broncos? Oh, wait. . . .
I'm not labeling him a total bust yet, but it certainly doesn't look like the Cardinals got a great Qb - so far.
Cugel
11-01-2018, 12:41 PM
A lock for DRotY?
Apparently Cugel never heard of Denzel Ward.
Denzel Ward has been playing great, but it's rare for a rookie to have 8 sacks and Chubb is on pace for nearly twice that. He's a potential Von Miller in training. Chubb by a mile because the QB can avoid any CB by simply not throwing at him. He can't avoid Chubb though.
By next year the Broncos should have the best pass rushing tandem in the NFL. Better than Bosa and Ingram.
Cugel
11-01-2018, 12:44 PM
It’s a possibility, except for the name recognition and playing in Denver. Unless Lindsay is far and away the best (like Kamara last year) he won’t beat a high draft pick big name like Barkley who plays in NYC. Hell, I think Hunt was probably more deserving than Kamara last year. But KC vs NO and all.
Racking up 12 or 13+ sacks on the season will generate some notice. Chubb is going to have more than that unless teams start double-teaming him. They would be doing that already except that every OC is terrified of Von Miller.
HORSEPOWER 56
11-01-2018, 01:34 PM
???
:confused:
NO is a larger market and has Drew Brees along with a Lombardi in the past 4 decades. KC is a small market team more likely to get recognition for kissing cousins tongue punching their sister’s fart box than for actual good football players. That’s what I meant.
How does the league leading rusher who is also a rookie not get OROY? By competing with a guy who was a part of a RBBC but also caught passes from the great Drew Brees I guess.
If it’s even close Barkley would get it over Lindsay.
Slick
11-01-2018, 01:38 PM
Lol!
Hawgdriver
11-01-2018, 02:32 PM
NO is a larger market and has Drew Brees along with a Lombardi in the past 4 decades. KC is a small market team more likely to get recognition for kissing cousins tongue punching their sister’s fart box than for actual good football players. That’s what I meant.
How does the league leading rusher who is also a rookie not get OROY? By competing with a guy who was a part of a RBBC but also caught passes from the great Drew Brees I guess.
If it’s even close Barkley would get it over Lindsay.
If you say so. Nielsen has KC as the #33 media market and NO as the #50. I'd say KC is the bigger market. What am I missing?
CoachChaz
11-01-2018, 03:59 PM
If you say so. Nielsen has KC as the #33 media market and NO as the #50. I'd say KC is the bigger market. What am I missing?
Sports Watch Media is about the same. They have KC at 32 and NOLA at 50.
Broncoknight30
11-01-2018, 05:06 PM
Sports Watch Media is about the same. They have KC at 32 and NOLA at 50.
I personally think "market size" is an old paradigm that has shifted a bit. In this world wide web world, it really does not make much of a difference any more. There are many effects from the internet that our old way of thinking has not considered. The world series had two huge markets, and I heard sports analysts saying how much MLB wanted the Dodgers to get to the series over the Brewers.
The ratings for the world series were very low, for all of that "hoping" that two big MARKETS would be in the world series.
https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/red-sox-dodgers-world-series-third-lowest-on-record.html
The markets are not driving the ratings, the (name) players are. Neither the Dodgers nor the Sox have big marketable names on their rosters. Kerhsaw is a name, but not much more. Not many people could name the starting line up for the Sox, or really the Dodgers.
Look at the NBA. it is really about the players. The NFL is no different. Pat Mahomes is starting to move that needle.
Simple Jaded
11-01-2018, 10:38 PM
So the chubb over Rosen pick appeals to everyone then?
Nope.
Cugel
11-03-2018, 09:08 AM
NO is a larger market and has Drew Brees along with a Lombardi in the past 4 decades. KC is a small market team more likely to get recognition for kissing cousins tongue punching their sister’s fart box than for actual good football players. That’s what I meant.
How does the league leading rusher who is also a rookie not get OROY? By competing with a guy who was a part of a RBBC but also caught passes from the great Drew Brees I guess.
If it’s even close Barkley would get it over Lindsay.
"Tongue-puncher"! :laugh:
Of course any first round pick would get it over an undrafted player. "NObody drafted this guy! How good could he possibly be? WEll, he's playing great, for now, but is that real, or did he just have some kind of freak, career year, and he's really the guy nobody wanted to draft, and will fall back to earth next year like Case Keenum?"
So, they give it to Barkley, the guy everybody said was supposed to win it. They have to give it to him so that they will be proven geniuses "I said before the draft that Barkley would win it!"
But, for the same reason, Chubb is equally likely to get consideration. He was the consensus #1 defensive pick of the draft. Everybody raved before the draft about how great he was and how he might be an even better prospect than Myles Garrett who went #1 overall.
So, suppose he goes out and gets 12 sacks or something (he's on pace right now)? Now he confirms everybody's suspicions that he was the best choice all along. Nobody but Cleveland would have taken Denzel Ward so they don't want him to win. Who do you think is going to get it? They guy they all thought would win it all along of course.
If he has a good season it becomes self-fulfilling prophecy.
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