Surprise Cuts

[spikerman]

Since the season is finally on the horizon I was curious to see who you all thought could be a surprise cut(s) this year. This isn’t meant to be who you want to be cut, but who could possibly be cut. I have three.

1. Jeff Heuerman
2. Darian Stewart
3. Todd Davis

[spikerman]

If he wasn’t going to (I assume) start the year on the PUP, Shane Ray would have made my list.

[dogfish]

menelik watson. . . buh-bye!


they won't, but they should cut devontae booker. . .

[Magnificent Seven]

1. OG Max Garcia

2. WR Jordan Taylor

3. KR/PR/WR Isaiah McKenzie (If he didn't improve)

[UnderArmour]

Demaryius Thomas is still a major name to look out for as far as a preseason cut or trade goes. If the Broncos have other receivers step up, his price tag is worth getting off the books as a late cut.

[Nomad]

Demaryius Thomas is still a major name to look out for as far as a preseason cut or trade goes. If the Broncos have other receivers step up, his price tag is worth getting off the books as a late cut.

I just heard MO slap his forehead. :D

I'm hoping DT has a good year, now that he has a lot better QB throwing to him.

[Poet]

Demaryius Thomas is still a major name to look out for as far as a preseason cut or trade goes. If the Broncos have other receivers step up, his price tag is worth getting off the books as a late cut.

Yes he is. I don't want him to get the boot, but he's certainly on the table.

menelik watson. . . buh-bye!


they won't, but they should cut devontae booker. . .

Watson would have been gone already had it not been for his injury. Good call.

He's still a young back, he had shown some flashes. Yeah, he hasn't been great, but at his age and state of the roster, there's no harm giving him one more run around, IMO. Typically the fact that the coaches love a player is a notch in their favor, but in this instance you'd probably score that point.



I just heard MO slap his forehead. :D

I'm hoping DT has a good year, now that he has a lot better QB throwing to him.

Mo will burn this bitch to the ground!

[spikerman]

Booker has been underwhelming to this point. That’s for sure.

[Poet]

He's been a RB with a bad line and a TS led team. It would take someone special to be productive there. I don't expect great things from the man, but he can be a solid part of the crew. If he's total trash in camp and preseason, das boot.

That big young angry back Freeman will be why he's not on the team next year, imo.

[FanInAZ]

Demaryius Thomas is still a major name to look out for as far as a preseason cut or trade goes. If the Broncos have other receivers step up, his price tag is worth getting off the books as a late cut.

I think the Broncos would need to have more then 1 receiver to step up to make him expendable this season. I don't know his contract status, but he should have plenty of trade value as long as he's still ours.

[BroncoWave]

Demaryius Thomas is still a major name to look out for as far as a preseason cut or trade goes. If the Broncos have other receivers step up, his price tag is worth getting off the books as a late cut.

If Sutton is the real deal I could see us moving DT as well.

[TXBRONC]

Demaryius Thomas is still a major name to look out for as far as a preseason cut or trade goes. If the Broncos have other receivers step up, his price tag is worth getting off the books as a late cut.

Unlike Dez Bryant no one is talking about Thomas as having lost a step, and I don't think anyone has complained about route running. Receivers still take time to develop. For the Broncos to cut Thomas the to young guys would have clearly out him.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

The Broncos aren’t going to cut an all time great like that, not when he is still productive.

[UnderArmour]

The Broncos aren’t going to cut an all time great like that, not when he is still productive.

Fact of the matter is he is not worth the cost in 2019 at all, and he is definitely headed for the chopping block AFTER this season. $14 million for 2019 just isn't going to happen, so the question is whether or not Elway plays hardball this year or not. The Broncos could save $8.5 million by cutting him before the regular season, and knowing that next year's cut is going to come, I could very easily envision Elway putting on pressure, DT's agent not budging, and a falling out this year instead of next. I'd much rather see DT have a comeback year, but nobody should be fooling themselves into thinking cutting or trading DT is still off the table.

[Shazam!]

Unfortuantely that Tim Tebow TD pass to DT was a loooooong time ago...

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Fact of the matter is he is not worth the cost in 2019 at all, and he is definitely headed for the chopping block AFTER this season. $14 million for 2019 just isn't going to happen, so the question is whether or not Elway plays hardball this year or not. The Broncos could save $8.5 million by cutting him before the regular season, and knowing that next year's cut is going to come, I could very easily envision Elway putting on pressure, DT's agent not budging, and a falling out this year instead of next. I'd much rather see DT have a comeback year, but nobody should be fooling themselves into thinking cutting or trading DT is still off the table.

All valid points, but there’s been no indication this will happen this year. I’m inclined to think whatever happens with DT will happen in an offseason, not a camp casualty. Denver has a history of treating it’s all time greats with respect.

[UnderArmour]

Unfortuantely that Tim Tebow TD pass to DT was a loooooong time ago...

The sad thing is, for me this is the game-breaking play I remember DT the most for:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8O_4_7xTnPSuvySIfn0LTlWzhzA=/0x0:1181x669/1120x0/filters:focal(0x0:1181x669):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2926236/shot_1_standing.0.png

In my eyes, this image alone has irreparably put him in a class below guys like Shannon Sharpe/Rod Smith/Ed McCaffrey.

The identity players of the Denver Broncos right now are Von Miller and Chris Harris Jr. Because DT isn't the identity of this team, and because he's not established himself at a level of a Sharpe/Smith/McCaffrey, Elway wouldn't face as much backlash cutting or trading him if enough viable receiving threats emerged.

[TXBRONC]

Fact of the matter is he is not worth the cost in 2019 at all, and he is definitely headed for the chopping block AFTER this season. $14 million for 2019 just isn't going to happen, so the question is whether or not Elway plays hardball this year or not. The Broncos could save $8.5 million by cutting him before the regular season, and knowing that next year's cut is going to come, I could very easily envision Elway putting on pressure, DT's agent not budging, and a falling out this year instead of next. I'd much rather see DT have a comeback year, but nobody should be fooling themselves into thinking cutting or trading DT is still off the table.

You may have point, but as after this season. I don't is kidding themselves about anything, but also I don't try predict the future. Just as easily, a contract get reworked Thomas stays a another season.

[TXBRONC]

All valid points, but there’s been no indication this will happen this year. I’m inclined to think whatever happens with DT will happen in an offseason, not a camp casualty. Denver has a history of treating it’s all time greats with respect.

I guess that's why it would be a surprise cut. However, right now I don't see it happening this season.

[TXBRONC]

The sad thing is, for me this is the game-breaking play I remember DT the most for:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8O_4_7xTnPSuvySIfn0LTlWzhzA=/0x0:1181x669/1120x0/filters:focal(0x0:1181x669):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2926236/shot_1_standing.0.png

In my eyes, this image alone has irreparably put him in a class below guys like Shannon Sharpe/Rod Smith/Ed McCaffrey.

The identity players of the Denver Broncos right now are Von Miller and Chris Harris Jr. Because DT isn't the identity of this team, and because he's not established himself at a level of a Sharpe/Smith/McCaffrey, Elway wouldn't face as much backlash cutting or trading him if enough viable receiving threats emerged.

If that's all you can remember I think that's short sighted. Miller and Harris were also in that game, as well Manning, and none of them played well. That doesn't mean they're great players. Like Thomas the too did not play well in that game. Champ Bailey burnt to a crisp a couple years earlier in a divisional playoff game at home is that all you remember about him?

[UnderArmour]

If that's all you can remember I think that's short sighted. Miller and Harris were also in that game, as well Manning, and none of them played well. That doesn't mean they're great players. Like Thomas the too did not play well in that game. Champ Bailey burnt to a crisp couple years earlier in a divisional playoff game at home is that all you remember about him?

Champ made big plays in the 4th quarter consistently too, and put his body on the line in the run game to help his team. DT disappears in the 4th quarter consistently, and in recent years has been known more drops than big time catches. Sad, but it's true. The production is there, but the momentum changing plays are not.

[Poet]

Champ made big plays in the 4th quarter consistently too, and put his body on the line in the run game to help his team. DT disappears in the 4th quarter consistently, and in recent years has been known more drops than big time catches. Sad, but it's true. The production is there, but the momentum changing plays are not.

He made some of those plays early in his career. The production is there with very little around him. I think you might be a bit too harsh here.

[dogfish]

y'all trippin'. . . all indications are that sanders is the one they're ready to move on from. . . carry on, though. . .

[Valar Morghulis]

y'all trippin'. . . all indications are that sanders is the one they're ready to move on from. . . carry on, though. . .

Sorry dog, I thought the thread was about surprise cuts. Not those that all the indications are they may be cut. Moron!!!!

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Sorry dog, I thought the thread was about surprise cuts. Not those that all the indications are they may be cut. Moron!!!!

This is the comeback I was talking about!

[dogfish]

Sorry dog, I thought the thread was about surprise cuts. Not those that all the indications are they may be cut. Moron!!!!

okay, d-mac. . .

[dogfish]

bradley chubb!


11!!1!!111!!!

now there's a real surprise cut. . . dave, did i get it right this time?

assclown. . . :D

[Poet]

I like Val because he's just a twisted monster. But I dislike him because he's an insolent brit.

[TXBRONC]

Champ made big plays in the 4th quarter consistently too, and put his body on the line in the run game to help his team. DT disappears in the 4th quarter consistently, and in recent years has been known more drops than big time catches. Sad, but it's true. The production is there, but the momentum changing plays are not.

Well I don't agree, you're defining Thomas by one play yet Champ was burnt to crisp in divisional playoff game but you'll that let slide. Both have made a lot plays for the Broncos. How much consternation has gone on around here about inconsistent play at the quarterback position. I'm pretty sure receivers production generally tied their quarterbacks. As far as the drops I think that's way over played.

[TXBRONC]

y'all trippin'. . . all indications are that sanders is the one they're ready to move on from. . . carry on, though. . .

If that is case, I wonder if that has anything to with Sutton and Hamilton and maybe more to do with what they think they see in Hamilton.

[Valar Morghulis]

bradley chubb!


11!!1!!111!!!

now there's a real surprise cut. . . dave, did i get it right this time?

assclown. . . :D

Don't take your mistake me out on me, you're the one ruining this thread. I am gonna go into your weird thread and start posting normal stuff and decrying those that posted in the spirit of the thread title.

You are the monster!

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

This is beautiful.

[Poet]

Case Keenum - it will be a surprise because he's the starter, but it won't be a surprise because he's Case Keenum.

#mixedbag
#tralalalala
#Labyrinthreference

[dogfish]

Don't take your mistake me out on me, you're the one ruining this thread. I am gonna go into your weird thread and start posting normal stuff and decrying those that posted in the spirit of the thread title.

You are the monster!

i hope they use beef stock in your veggie soup the next time you go out to eat. . . :D

[dogfish]

surprise cut. . . marquette king. . .


:coffee:

[Poet]

surprise cut. . . marquette king. . .


:coffee:

King's don't get cut, except soon after birth!

[Buff]

Fact of the matter is he is not worth the cost in 2019 at all, and he is definitely headed for the chopping block AFTER this season. $14 million for 2019 just isn't going to happen, so the question is whether or not Elway plays hardball this year or not. The Broncos could save $8.5 million by cutting him before the regular season, and knowing that next year's cut is going to come, I could very easily envision Elway putting on pressure, DT's agent not budging, and a falling out this year instead of next. I'd much rather see DT have a comeback year, but nobody should be fooling themselves into thinking cutting or trading DT is still off the table.

The Broncos paid him $4 million in March - cutting him is off the table.

[MOtorboat]

I see we somehow got to the best offensive player on the team again.

:tsk:

[BroncoJoe]

I see we somehow got to the best offensive player on the team again.

:tsk:

I was waiting for you to chime in!

:lol:

[MOtorboat]

I was waiting for you to chime in!

:lol:

It’s always the best players people want gone. Can never figure that out.

[BroncoWave]

It’s always the best players people want gone. Can never figure that out.

Who in this thread has advocated for him to be cut? We're simply projecting who surprising camp casualties might be, and given that we just used a high draft pick on a similar player to DT, who is a highly paid and aging player, it's not the most far-fetched scenario. No one is yelling for us to cut him that I've seen.

For someone who is usually as level headed as you, you just act ridiculous on this issue.

[nevcraw]

DT’s not getting cut. Good lord. What would they be telling the team if they went into season with one healthy veteran WR and cut the best offensive weapon.
Thankfully fans don’t run the team. But yes it would be a suprise.

[Freyaka]

Unlike Dez Bryant no one is talking about Thomas as having lost a step, and I don't think anyone has complained about route running. Receivers still take time to develop. For the Broncos to cut Thomas the to young guys would have clearly out him.

Yea, the big difference between Dez and DT at this point is one had a QB, one did not. We know who is who here :D If Case plays better than Trevor (a likely possibility) then DT will play better as well.

[Freyaka]

Fact of the matter is he is not worth the cost in 2019 at all, and he is definitely headed for the chopping block AFTER this season. $14 million for 2019 just isn't going to happen, so the question is whether or not Elway plays hardball this year or not. The Broncos could save $8.5 million by cutting him before the regular season, and knowing that next year's cut is going to come, I could very easily envision Elway putting on pressure, DT's agent not budging, and a falling out this year instead of next. I'd much rather see DT have a comeback year, but nobody should be fooling themselves into thinking cutting or trading DT is still off the table.

We're talking $12M....That's as of right now the 9th WR in the league. When he's had an actual QB throwing to him, he's put up top 5 numbers (arguably top 3 even). Last year was a down year, no doubt, but most of that is largely due to decreased targets and poor QB play... He is worth that money if our QB play improves.

[Freyaka]

Unfortuantely that Tim Tebow TD pass to DT was a loooooong time ago...

You know what wasn't that long ago.

1,304
1,619
1,430
1,434

That's what he looked like when he didn't have Trevor Siemian playing like garbage and bringing the entire offense down.

[BroncoWave]

The point of predicting a surprise cut is that it would be a surprise. I think a lot of you are missing the point of this thread. I don't think anyone actually expects he will be cut. Just that if there is a big surprise camp cut, he could possibly be one.

Some of you guys get so worked up when anyone says anything about DT short of him being the greatest player ever to put on pads.

[MOtorboat]

Who in this thread has advocated for him to be cut? We're simply projecting who surprising camp casualties might be, and given that we just used a high draft pick on a similar player to DT, who is a highly paid and aging player, it's not the most far-fetched scenario. No one is yelling for us to cut him that I've seen.

For someone who is usually as level headed as you, you just act ridiculous on this issue.

There’s a long history of people wanting DT gone. I have no problem with what I said even in the context of the thread.

[Buff]

The point of predicting a surprise cut is that it would be a surprise. I think a lot of you are missing the point of this thread. I don't think anyone actually expects he will be cut. Just that if there is a big surprise camp cut, he could possibly be one.

Some of you guys get so worked up when anyone says anything about DT short of him being the greatest player ever to put on pads.

Teams don't pay out $4 million bonuses and then cut guys. His roster spot is secure for this year. It's all a moot point.

[BroncoWave]

Teams don't pay out $4 million bonuses and then cut guys. His roster spot is secure for this year. It's all a moot point.

This is a fair point, but I think there is a good chance this is his last year in Denver unless Sutton just sucks.

[Freyaka]

The point of predicting a surprise cut is that it would be a surprise. I think a lot of you are missing the point of this thread. I don't think anyone actually expects he will be cut. Just that if there is a big surprise camp cut, he could possibly be one.

Some of you guys get so worked up when anyone says anything about DT short of him being the greatest player ever to put on pads.

I don't think we're as worked up as you think. You defend a guy you're "worked up" I personally am providing a counter argument. Yes, I get the general thought behind this thread, general thought or not, DT isn't going anywhere. It wouldn't be a surprise cut, it would be a shocking cut.

In fairness though, the vitriol surrounding DT gets old, it shouldn't be shocking that those of us who don't share that vitriol, get a tiny bit annoyed that his name always pops up right away in threads like this.

It's only a matter of time before someone starts blaming his mom, saying his head isn't in the game, ect... Rather than the oh so obvious, we haven't had a QB two years in a row.

[Northman]

y'all trippin'. . . all indications are that sanders is the one they're ready to move on from. . . carry on, though. . .


Sorry dog, I thought the thread was about surprise cuts. Not those that all the indications are they may be cut. Moron!!!!

Yea! Shut your piehole and get back in the dog house already!

[Northman]

DT Sucks.

Did i get that right?

[Krugan]

Lynch, Janovich, and Shaq B.

Surprise!

[dogfish]

Yea! Shut your piehole and get back in the dog house already!

look, i am not taking any grief from the f***in' punter!

[Shazam!]

If DT is banged up and has another subpar year i can see them letting him go after this Season. He got a lot of mileage and knocks in the Manning years.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I see we somehow got to the best offensive player on the team again.

:tsk:

Soon we’ll have the trade Von Miller thread.

[Freyaka]

Soon we’ll have the trade Von Miller thread.

People get real butt hurt about how much players are getting paid. It's like it was coming out of their own paychecks or something...

[Shazam!]

Soon we’ll have the trade Von Miller thread.

People get real butt hurt about how much players are getting paid. It's like it was coming out of their own paychecks or something...

Love the armchair GMing

[UnderArmour]

People get real butt hurt about how much players are getting paid. It's like it was coming out of their own paychecks or something...

Who? Where? This is a thread about surprise cuts.

The Cowboys cut their #1 receiver this offseason over salary and locker room issues, and around the league we are seeing the WR position gradually becoming more of a system-based position than ever. The Broncos are paying their WRs nearly $30 million this year, and are set to pay $36 million next year. For both 2018 and 2019, this is #2 in the league. If anyone honestly doesn't think both WRs are on the trade market, they are only fooling themselves. And as we saw with TJ Ward, trade market sometimes means cut market.

Again, I don't see it happening this year, but unless Elway can squeeze a paycut from him, the positional spending just doesn't add up with what playoff teams spend. ( https://overthecap.com/positional-spending )

[Shazam!]

People get real butt hurt about how much players are getting paid. It's like it was coming out of their own paychecks or something...

Who? Where? This is a thread about surprise cuts.

The Cowboys cut their #1 receiver this offseason over salary and locker room issues, and around the league we are seeing the WR position gradually becoming more of a system-based position than ever. The Broncos are paying their WRs nearly $30 million this year, and are set to pay $36 million next year. For both 2018 and 2019, this is #2 in the league. If anyone honestly doesn't think both WRs are on the trade market, they are only fooling themselves. And as we saw with TJ Ward, trade market sometimes means cut market.

Again, I don't see it happening this year, but unless Elway can squeeze a paycut from him, the positional spending just doesn't add up with what playoff teams spend. ( https://overthecap.com/positional-spending )

I would have liked to see DT retire as a Bronco, being the best WR since Rod Smith. But i doubt it will hapoen that way.

[Freyaka]

Who? Where? This is a thread about surprise cuts.

The Cowboys cut their #1 receiver this offseason over salary and locker room issues, and around the league we are seeing the WR position gradually becoming more of a system-based position than ever. The Broncos are paying their WRs nearly $30 million this year, and are set to pay $36 million next year. For both 2018 and 2019, this is #2 in the league. If anyone honestly doesn't think both WRs are on the trade market, they are only fooling themselves. And as we saw with TJ Ward, trade market sometimes means cut market.

Again, I don't see it happening this year, but unless Elway can squeeze a paycut from him, the positional spending just doesn't add up with what playoff teams spend. ( https://overthecap.com/positional-spending )

Did I say this thread....and people say I'm defensive... Just saying, anytime one of these threads come up it's always DT and Von because "they cost too much" the Von talk kinda quieted down pretty hard after SB 50 though, but it'll be back. People love to worry about other people's money in football... This isn't the first time this has come up...we talk every freaking offseason about how DT needs cut or traded because someone gets obsessed with his price tag.

People get way too concerned about how much a player costs...Let the FO worry about that. At this point it's not even a surprise cut, it's a completely unfeasible cut due to cap hit. Next year, we may see him cut depending on this season's production, but I expect him to have a good enough year with a solid QB option that we'll put this to rest for awhile.

[BroncoWave]

Did I say this thread....and people say I'm defensive... Just saying, anytime one of these threads come up it's always DT and Von because "they cost too much" the Von talk kinda quieted down pretty hard after SB 50 though, but it'll be back. People love to worry about other people's money in football... This isn't the first time this has come up...we talk every freaking offseason about how DT needs cut or traded because someone gets obsessed with his price tag.

People get way too concerned about how much a player costs...Let the FO worry about that. At this point it's not even a surprise cut, it's a completely unfeasible cut due to cap hit. Next year, we may see him cut depending on this season's production, but I expect him to have a good enough year with a solid QB option that we'll put this to rest for awhile.

I absolutely care about the cap impact relative to production of any given player. No I don't care how much it takes out if the owners wallet since it's not my money, but I do care about too much of the cap being tied up in certain players thus hurting the team elsewhere.

[dogfish]

lol! it takes a spikerman post to stir up this much controversy in july. . .

[Buff]

lol! it takes a spikerman post to stir up this much controversy in july. . .

It was UA! He suggested that Thomas could be cut this year, and now he is casually backpedaling while the thread burns!

[Valar Morghulis]

Trade DT for Cody the great

[Freyaka]

I absolutely care about the cap impact relative to production of any given player. No I don't care how much it takes out if the owners wallet since it's not my money, but I do care about too much of the cap being tied up in certain players thus hurting the team elsewhere.

Why? You've been a fan long enough you should know by now that if Elway wants a player, the cap isn't going to stop him. He makes it all work out. Cap numbers can be manipulated and Elway has shown that he's very good at massaging the cap. Why spend time getting wound up about how much cap hit a player takes? Especially to the point that it makes you want (not necessarily you, but some) our top player gone.

Just chillax and let Elway handle the cap.

[Buff]

Trade DT for Cody the great

If he has an all pro year with Andrew Luck, will you remain a Broncos fan?

[Freyaka]

It was UA! He suggested that Thomas could be cut this year, and now he is casually backpedaling while the thread burns!

Oh the threads not burning yet. Smoldering maybe. There hasn't been any gasoline dumped on it yet so it's just causing a lot of smoke.

[UnderArmour]

Did I say this thread....and people say I'm defensive... Just saying, anytime one of these threads come up it's always DT and Von because "they cost too much" the Von talk kinda quieted down pretty hard after SB 50 though, but it'll be back. People love to worry about other people's money in football... This isn't the first time this has come up...we talk every freaking offseason about how DT needs cut or traded because someone gets obsessed with his price tag.

People get way too concerned about how much a player costs...Let the FO worry about that. At this point it's not even a surprise cut, it's a completely unfeasible cut due to cap hit. Next year, we may see him cut depending on this season's production, but I expect him to have a good enough year with a solid QB option that we'll put this to rest for awhile.

Your post was in this thread, so I'm going to reasonably assume that you're talking about this thread and the conversations in this thread. As far as guys being paid too much, the league has economics to it. For X amount of $, the player should be performing at a level consistent with what other players at his position earning that amount of money make. That's the way the league works.

Guys get cut over money. Guys get cut so young guys can play. Last year, TJ Ward was making a relatively reasonable salary for his accomplishments and history, but boom $4.5 million off the books because the Broncos wanted to get one of their young safeties into the lineup and wanted financial flexibility. If Elway was willing to cut CJ Anderson and TJ Ward over $4 and $4.5 million, DT definitely is not immune. The only thing missing has been any kind of depth at WR, which Elway has now spent multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks on the position over the last two drafts.

So with the young guys now here, and the salary still where it is, DT is definitely in a position to be cut next offseason should he not have a great year. If the young guys emerge sooner (low possibility), it's possible Elway tries to trade and then all bets might be off should his agent raise a stink. With Case, it's entirely possible DT bounces back, has a Pro Bowl year, and gets paid his full $14 million next year.

[Shazam!]

DT is Denver's best player on Offense?

I cant say that anymore, sorry. I need to see him play more and hope it was a lotta Trevor Siemien Syndrome and not Father Time. See what CK can do to resuscitate him.

[Valar Morghulis]

If he has an all pro year with Andrew Luck, will you remain a Broncos fan?

I thought he was in New York

[Buff]

I thought he was in New York

Oh you're right - he went to college in Indiana and for some reason that stuck in my brain. Same question but for the Giants.

[Freyaka]

DT is Denver's best player on Offense?

I cant say that anymore, sorry. I need to see him play more and hope it was a lotta Trevor Siemien Syndrome and not Father Time. See what CK can do to resuscitate him.

Who else on this offense plays better? If he's not the best we've got on offense currently, who is?

[Valar Morghulis]

Oh you're right - he went to college in Indiana and for some reason that stuck in my brain. Same question but for the Giants.

I already have one foot out the door!

[Freyaka]

If someone can present me some compelling evidence of someone better, I'll back off my statement. I'm seriously asking who else is better?

From PFF


Demaryius Thomas was the team's most reliable red zone weapon in 2017 - he caught 10-of-17 targets for 78 yards and five touchdowns. All told, he generated a passer rating of 109.8, the seventh-best mark among qualifying receivers.

https://t.co/90Sbvs92gH

That was with Trevor Siemian throwing to him who was one of PFF's lowest graded QB's in the redzone (Keenum was one of the top 15 graded QBs)

[Shazam!]

DT is Denver's best player on Offense?

I cant say that anymore, sorry. I need to see him play more and hope it was a lotta Trevor Siemien Syndrome and not Father Time. See what CK can do to resuscitate him.

Who else on this offense plays better? If he's not the best we've got on offense currently, who is?

Did you see this Offense last year? I have to see a major change to have any confidence at any position. Both Sanders and DT were looking totally defeated by Week 8.

Again, need improvment at QB and OLine and hopefully DT and Sanders return to form.

[underrated29]

If he has an all pro year with Andrew Luck, will you remain a Broncos fan?

Im pretty sure he went to the giants didnt he?

[BroncoJoe]

I already have one foot out the door!

What would it take to get both feet out? I'm ready to slam the door, dammit!!

[Freyaka]

Did you see this Offense last year? I have to see a major change to have any confidence at any position. Both Sanders and DT were looking totally defeated by Week 8.

Again, need improvment at QB and OLine and hopefully DT and Sanders return to form.

Ok, again. Even defeated, who played better? DT is a bright spot on an offense otherwise devoid of talent. Outside him and Sanders we've got zilch for talented players.

I get they need to play better, the question is, who played better than them to be considered "our best player on offense"

[TXBRONC]

lol! it takes a spikerman post to stir up this much controversy in july. . .

Spike is a genuine revolutionary badass so do't mess with him.

[Shazam!]

Did you see this Offense last year? I have to see a major change to have any confidence at any position. Both Sanders and DT were looking totally defeated by Week 8.

Again, need improvment at QB and OLine and hopefully DT and Sanders return to form.

Ok, again. Even defeated, who played better? DT is a bright spot on an offense otherwise devoid of talent. Outside him and Sanders we've got zilch for talented players.

I get they need to play better, the question is, who played better than them to be considered "our best player on offense"

No i hear that. Its just hes on the wrong side of 30, and his numbers and play has dropped dramatically since 2015. All im saying.

[BroncoWave]

Why? You've been a fan long enough you should know by now that if Elway wants a player, the cap isn't going to stop him. He makes it all work out. Cap numbers can be manipulated and Elway has shown that he's very good at massaging the cap. Why spend time getting wound up about how much cap hit a player takes? Especially to the point that it makes you want (not necessarily you, but some) our top player gone.

Just chillax and let Elway handle the cap.

By this logic I should never worry/complain about anything. Don't worry about who we draft, Elway will take care of that. Don't worry about what play we call on 3rd and 6, the coaches will take care of that. Don't worry about DT's drops, he'll take care of that.

We can't do anything about anything regarding the broncos, so by your logic we should just not worry about any of it because someone else will deal with it. Not exactly how fandom works.

[Freyaka]

By this logic I should never worry/complain about anything. Don't worry about who we draft, Elway will take care of that. Don't worry about what play we call on 3rd and 6, the coaches will take care of that. Don't worry about DT's drops, he'll take care of that.

We can't do anything about anything regarding the broncos, so by your logic we should just not worry about any of it because someone else will deal with it. Not exactly how fandom works.

We'd all probably enjoy life a little better if we worried a lot less about that type of stuff.

It's not like any of us are in a position to change anything we're getting bent out of shape over.

[BroncoWave]

We'd all probably enjoy life a little better if we worried a lot less about that type of stuff.

It's not like any of us are in a position to change anything we're getting bent out of shape over.

Well then we might as well shut this message board down.

[Shazam!]

By this logic I should never worry/complain about anything. Don't worry about who we draft, Elway will take care of that. Don't worry about what play we call on 3rd and 6, the coaches will take care of that. Don't worry about DT's drops, he'll take care of that.

We can't do anything about anything regarding the broncos, so by your logic we should just not worry about any of it because someone else will deal with it. Not exactly how fandom works.

We'd all probably enjoy life a little better if we worried a lot less about that type of stuff.

It's not like any of us are in a position to change anything we're getting bent out of shape over.

I used to get so angry when the Broncos lost it would ruin my week. I try hard not to get so mad anymore.

[BroncoWave]

To be clear, it's not like I actually get stressed in real life over any this, it's just fun to discuss online. No I have no power over how the cap is structured, but that doesn't mean I won't give my opinion on it.

[Krugan]

I think its funny that people get upset about a hypothetical cut thread and anyone that comes up in it. Kinda takes the fun out of the whole thing. Whats even more funny is some get angry about certain names, then accuse others of being stressed. Big circle of cluster ******y...

[Freyaka]

I think its funny that people get upset about a hypothetical cut thread and anyone that comes up in it. Kinda takes the fun out of the whole thing. Whats even more funny is some get angry about certain names, then accuse others of being stressed. Big circle of cluster ******y...

I think it's really funny when people come in and trying and read a lot of stuff into a conversation and put meaning in it that isn't there. Where did anyone get accused of being stressed? I'm just saying don't worry be happy. It's all talk in this thread, there is no one upset, there are no accusations, it's just talk. People are reading into it what they want to read into it.

[dogfish]

maybe we need an unsurprising cuts thread to reduce the anxiety level?

[Freyaka]

maybe we need an unsurprising cuts thread to reduce the anxiety level?

If you are anxious, take a zanex :D

[spikerman]

lol! it takes a spikerman post to stir up this much controversy in july. . .

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

[spikerman]

Spike is a genuine revolutionary badass so do mess with mess with him.

Truth... I’m a bad mofo.

[spikerman]

No i hear that. Its just hes on the wrong side of 30, and his numbers and play has dropped dramatically since 2015. All im saying.

You could say the same thing about me.

[dogfish]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

my bad, it should have said spikerman thread, not post. . . i will try to do better. . .

[spikerman]

my bad, it should have said spikerman thread, not post. . . i will try to do better. . .

You’re a jerk, but I can’t quit you. I started an innocent thread and never mentioned the receivers and yet my name is Mudd. Sigh. Nobody appreciates my genius.

[BroncoJoe]

You’re a jerk, but I can’t quit you. I started an innocent thread and never mentioned the receivers and yet my name is Mudd. Sigh. Nobody appreciates my genius.

Well, it'd be easy to appreciate it if it was there to begin with!

:drum:

[dogfish]

You’re a jerk, but I can’t quit you. I started an innocent thread and never mentioned the receivers and yet my name is Mudd. Sigh. Nobody appreciates my genius.

:lol::lol:


i guess zebras are just easy targets, bud. . .

[spikerman]

Well, it'd be easy to appreciate it if it was there to begin with!

:drum:

You Sonofa...

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

If he has an all pro year with Andrew Luck, will you remain a Broncos fan?
Shots fired ladies and gentlemen.

[UnderArmour]

I used to get so angry when the Broncos lost it would ruin my week. I try hard not to get so mad anymore.

I still get upset, and it ruins Monday and some of Tuesday for me. But thanks to Vance Joseph, I know that my Broncos are DOMINATING on Wednesdays, so it is hard to stay upset with all my excitement.

As far as other "surprise" cuts go veteran-wise, Jared Veldheer is another name I could foresee if he performs terribly in camp. Darian Stewart doesn't make sense from a cap perspective, and he's still a steady hand. The Broncos don't save that much by cutting Watson, so it's likely he stays on as a swing guard/swing tackle.

[MOtorboat]

Shots fired ladies and gentlemen.

Blanks maybe. Buff didn’t even have the right team.

[Shazam!]

I used to get so angry when the Broncos lost it would ruin my week. I try hard not to get so mad anymore.

I still get upset, and it ruins Monday and some of Tuesday for me. But thanks to Vance Joseph, I know that my Broncos are DOMINATING on Wednesdays, so it is hard to stay upset with all my excitement.

As far as other "surprise" cuts go veteran-wise, Jared Veldheer is another name I could foresee if he performs terribly in camp. Darian Stewart doesn't make sense from a cap perspective, and he's still a steady hand. The Broncos don't save that much by cutting Watson, so it's likely he stays on as a swing guard/swing tackle.

If Veldheer flames out there will be massive problems up front. Again. There is so much riding on him solidifying this OLine.

I think the name to watch up fromt is Connor McGovern. Loved what i saw from him. With Leary at least we have a shot at two solid Gs.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Blanks maybe. Buff didn’t even have the right team.

Eh, the bandwagon inuendo still has some bite.

[slim]

Vance Joseph

[sneakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ElG1S0hu4

edit: I misread the topic, I thought it said "suprise cats", and I posted a lion eating a watermelon

[TXBRONC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ElG1S0hu4

edit: I misread the topic, I thought it said "suprise cats", and I posted a lion eating a watermelon

Sneak, you should go back playing the Oboe your comedy routine isn't going to pay the bill. Just sayin. :D

[Cugel]

Did you see this Offense last year? I have to see a major change to have any confidence at any position. Both Sanders and DT were looking totally defeated by Week 8.

Again, need improvment at QB and OLine and hopefully DT and Sanders return to form.

The defense looked totally defeated by week 8. The entire team and especially VJ looked totally defeated! Let's see what Keenum can do before we say that DT and Emmanuel are washed up!

Courtland Sutton and Royce Freeman look like starting material so far. Chubb was easily the best defender in the entire draft and was compared with Myles Garrett, the #1 overall pick last season in terms of talent. There is no doubt they got a real playmaker with this guy. So, the roster has been substantially upgraded from last year.

And Sutton is the future #1 as soon as he can gain the necessary experience. THis is DT's last season in Denver so he is going to go all out because production is his only way of convincing another team to pick him up next off-season. With an actually GOOD QB (not great but accurate) throwing to him he should be fine!

Last year was partly terrible coaching. Partly it was having by far the worst QB roster in the NFL. Partly that was John Elway's fault for going into the season without a veteran QB who could actually do the job if Trevor flopped or was injured.

And that stems from Elway's idiot obsession with proving himself right about Paxton Lynch.

Well, Paxton might still be on the roster this season (boo!) but he's not starting outside of injury, and if Paxton wins the backup battle with Chad Kelly then they will cut Kelly and could sign another veteran QB, just in case.

So, hopefully they have a veteran who knows what he is doing out there at QB.

[Hawgdriver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ElG1S0hu4

edit: I misread the topic, I thought it said "suprise cats", and I posted a lion eating a watermelon

You won August, good job.

[sneakers]

Sneak, you should go back playing the Oboe your comedy routine isn't going to pay the bill. Just sayin. :D

:throwrock:

[Elevation inc]

Since the season is finally on the horizon I was curious to see who you all thought could be a surprise cut(s) this year. This isn’t meant to be who you want to be cut, but who could possibly be cut. I have three.

1. Jeff Heuerman
2. Darian Stewart
3. Todd Davis


Heurman, Booker, Lynch......Goodbye and good riddance

[Freyaka]

Heurman, Booker, Lynch......Goodbye and good riddance

At this point, Lynch shouldn't be a surprise cut, but I would be absolutely shocked if Elway were to nut up and do the right thing. Lynch will be taking someone who is far more talented roster spot for yet another year.

[WARHORSE]

Heurman, Booker, Lynch......Goodbye and good riddance

Looks like Heurman is going to be the starter.

[Elevation inc]

Looks like Heurman is going to be the starter.

I saw that possibility yesterday, only I cant figure out why he is no different than lynch, what a waste of a roster spot.....