Broncos undecided about Shane Ray’s 2019 option

[turftoad]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/broncos-undecided-about-shane-rays-2019-option/

Ray missed the first half of last season with a wrist injury and returned to record 16 tackles and a sack in eight games. The 2015 first-round pick had 12 sacks in his first two seasons.

The Broncos have until May 3 to pick up the option, which is guaranteed for injury only and can be otherwise rescinded. The timing allows the Broncos to wait to see how the draft plays out before making any commitment to Ray. The linebacker would be set to make around $9 million if the option is exercised.

[turftoad]

Meaning IMO that if we draft Chubb, Ray will be gone or traded.

[Davii]

Meaning IMO that if we draft Chubb, Ray will be gone or traded.

I think that would make sense. If we pick up Chubb I don't think Ray would see the field much, definitely not 9 million dollars worth.

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Draft Nwosu. He can cover and blitz.

[dogfish]

dude had 8 sacks in a part-time role the last time he was healthy. . . and you can NEVER have too much pass rush. . . let's not be so quick to write him off. . .

[7alpha30]

Draft Nwosu. He can cover and blitz.

A big like on this. I'm surprised Elway's not in love with him since he played at USC.

[Davii]

dude had 8 sacks in a part-time role the last time he was healthy. . . and you can NEVER have too much pass rush. . . let's not be so quick to write him off. . .

I'm certainly not writing him off. If we don't draft someone better I hope they pick up the option. If we do draft Chubb 9 million for 2019 would be a lot for a rotational backup player, no?

[SmilinAssasSin27]

dude had 8 sacks in a part-time role the last time he was healthy. . . and you can NEVER have too much pass rush. . . let's not be so quick to write him off. . .

I'm not writing off...but 9mil is 9mil.

[turftoad]

dude had 8 sacks in a part-time role the last time he was healthy. . . and you can NEVER have too much pass rush. . . let's not be so quick to write him off. . .

However, 16 tackles and one sack in 8 games is not worth 9 mill.

[Poet]

dude had 8 sacks in a part-time role the last time he was healthy. . . and you can NEVER have too much pass rush. . . let's not be so quick to write him off. . .

He's a talent, and his production that year was pretty good. He would be snapped up instantly - if he has another year like that for us I would be open to signing him. A 8-10 sack guy as the second pass rush option is far from a bad place to be.

[dogfish]

I'm certainly not writing him off. If we don't draft someone better I hope they pick up the option. If we do draft Chubb 9 million for 2019 would be a lot for a rotational backup player, no?

you never know, but i think chubb is going at two. . . i'm also not completely sold that he makes a seamless transition to linebacker. . .

[Poet]

you never know, but i think chubb is going at two. . . i'm also not completely sold that he makes a seamless transition to linebacker. . .

He would shine in a Wade Phillip defense with the moving parts on the defensive line.

[Cugel]

Meaning IMO that if we draft Chubb, Ray will be gone or traded.

It looks now like Chubb will be the first non-QB off the board, perhaps at #2 to the Giants, otherwise at #4 to the Browns unless they trade back to allow some team to draft Mayfield ahead of Denver.

But, most likely the Browns take Chubb at #4 if he's there.

[Cugel]

However, 16 tackles and one sack in 8 games is not worth 9 mill.

He had a severe hand injury that didn't let him push off, but he should be fully healthy this year. They would be fools to let him go at this point when you don't even know how badly you might need him.

Besides, they could rush Ray, Miller and Chubb together on passing downs, which would put intense pressure on defenses, rather like the Giants SB wining "NASCAR" defense.

[WARHORSE]

Letting go of Ray would be a mistake imo.

The man jumped up in year two and got 8 sacks. Last year.....a bad wrist injury that was with him the whole season. The man played with a club arm.

That tells me the man wants to be on the field for his boys.


His production last year was reflective of that injury. You can't use effective pass rush moves without your hands in the trenches.

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/18/broncos-shane-ray-wrist-injury/



If Denver lets him go.......mistake. AND if we DO draft Chubbs........even more we want to get another year.

Ray, Miller, Chubbs, Barrett together are going to bring stats for them all. If Shane kills it this year, we have him at a discounted rate. Franchise him and you're looking at 15 million for linebacker and 17 for defensive end.

Even if he gets another 8 sacks, hes worth the money if we have a great pass rush......not to mention we have the money to pay him.

[Simple Jaded]

Barrett had, what, 4 sacks in 16 games and he’s Mr Thang, I don’t get Broncos fans.

[Simple Jaded]

A big like on this. I'm surprised Elway's not in love with him since he played at USC.

What’s USC to a Stanford alum?

[TXBRONC]

However, 16 tackles and one sack in 8 games is not worth 9 mill.

Turf that's after missing the first half of season. How weeks did he miss including training camp?

[TXBRONC]

A big like on this. I'm surprised Elway's not in love with him since he played at USC.

I have not noticed Elway liking USC players over others. If Elway has bias towards players from a certain school I think it would Stanford.

[BeefStew25]

I’m wary of light skinned pass rushers.

[Traveler]

It looks now like Chubb will be the first non-QB off the board, perhaps at #2 to the Giants, otherwise at #4 to the Browns unless they trade back to allow some team to draft Mayfield ahead of Denver.

But, most likely the Browns take Chubb at #4 if he's there.

Fingers crossed! I want Barkley.

Is it me or does Chubb remind anyone else of Demarcus Ware? Both in build and movement.

[Simple Jaded]

I’m wary of light skinned pass rushers.

Beef gets it.

#NoMoreWhiteGuys
#NMWG
#LeBeauBeatTheStealers

[Chillez]

I’m wary of light skinned pass rushers.

Lol WTF. :eek:

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Barrett had, what, 4 sacks in 16 games and he’s Mr Thang, I don’t get Broncos fans.

I’m warming to the idea of moving him to TED

[Simple Jaded]

I’m warming to the idea of moving him to TED

Can’t be any worse in coverage than Todd Davis, he can take on OL much better, I’m convinced of it. You’d have to draft an OLB to justify it, right now he’s third on the totem pole.

He’s a football player, I think he’d be an upgrade over Davis.

Sorry, Hawg.

[Hawgdriver]

Can’t be any worse in coverage than Todd Davis, he can take on OL much better, I’m convinced of it. You’d have to draft an OLB to justify it, right now he’s third on the totem pole.

He’s a football player, I think he’d be an upgrade over Davis.

Sorry, Hawg.

Todd Davis is un-upgradeable.

[Simple Jaded]

Todd Davis is un-upgradeable.

Fancy way of saying he’s as good as he’s ever gonna get.

[dogfish]

Fancy way of saying he’s as good as he’s ever gonna get.

yea, well, hawg's a fancy motherf****r. . .


it says so right on his wallet, just check it. . .

[chanesaw]

Barrett had, what, 4 sacks in 16 games and he’s Mr Thang, I don’t get Broncos fans.

Yeah, but Shaq also plays the run well. Ray has a lot of trouble setting the edge. I kinda got the feeling that Ray wasn't enough of an upgrade at rushing the passer to give him the start over Shaq. Would prefer Ray come on the field during obvious passing downs. Then again you see so many times that Shaq almost, but doesn't quite get there, and you wonder if Ray would have. That's why if we get Chubb I will be happy. Especially if we still somehow keep Shaq for depth.

[TXBRONC]

Yeah, but Shaq also plays the run well. Ray has a lot of trouble setting the edge. I kinda got the feeling that Ray wasn't enough of an upgrade at rushing the passer to give him the start over Shaq. Would prefer Ray come on the field during obvious passing downs. Then again you see so many times that Shaq almost, but doesn't quite get there, and you wonder if Ray would have. That's why if we get Chubb I will be happy. Especially if we still somehow keep Shaq for depth.

When Ray is healthy is solid against the run.

[CoachChaz]

If forced to choose between the two, I go with Ray. Deciding factor is Ray creates pressure where it seems like Shaq is more of an opportunist.

[arapaho2]

However, 16 tackles and one sack in 8 games is not worth 9 mill.

so getting injured in camp and being put on IR had nothing to do with it, nor did losing over 25 pounds of muscle from being unable to lift weights for five months because of the torn tendon in his hand...so your thinking that a lose of upper body strength, and injured hand had nothing to do with his inability to get the push off or disengage the blocker so he can rush the passer, had nothing to do with it

all simply a lack of talent or skill

[Cugel]

Supposedly, from Troy Renck, they will evaluate his injury before making a decision. Could be a simple question of whether they think he's recovered enough physically.

If they don't extend him, he'd be a FA next off-season. At that point they would have to compete in FA if they wanted him in 2019. In short this would be another first round draft failure to add to Elway's list of draft failures- like Sylvester Williams whom they also did not extend to a 5th year and departed in FA.

[Traveler]

In short this would be another first round draft failure to add to Elway's list of draft failures- like Sylvester Williams whom they also did not extend to a 5th year and departed in FA.

Guessing they will soon be adding Paxton Lynch to that list of 1st round failures.

[underrated29]

Even if we let Ray walk, I am not sure you can count that as a failure.

[DenBronx]

You got to think adding Chubb would just create way more opportunities for Miller, Ray, Barret and Wolfe to get to the QB. We would be the best team that creates pressure on the QB.

But it still doesn't fix our anemic offense. I would be ok with Chubb but we better draft ALOT of offense in the rest of the draft.

[arapaho2]

I still think we are giving up on ray way to soon, I don't think we have seen the real Ray yet

last year was a injury killed season for him ...you look at chubb and rays college stats and there isn't much difference between them

no enough for my to say drop ray and draft chubb

[CoachChaz]

I still think we are giving up on ray way to soon, I don't think we have seen the real Ray yet

last year was a injury killed season for him ...you look at chubb and rays college stats and there isn't much difference between them

no enough for my to say drop ray and draft chubb

I agree...but definitely enough for me to say drop Shaq and draft Chubb. I think Ray can still be good and by the time Chubb needs to be paid...Miller will likely be done.

[DenBronx]

I still think we are giving up on ray way to soon, I don't think we have seen the real Ray yet

last year was a injury killed season for him ...you look at chubb and rays college stats and there isn't much difference between them

no enough for my to say drop ray and draft chubb

I agree...but definitely enough for me to say drop Shaq and draft Chubb. I think Ray can still be good and by the time Chubb needs to be paid...Miller will likely be done.

So Miller is only going to play 10-11 seasons? Dude has a motor to play well beyond that. Maybe done in Denver but I believe he plays longer than that barring injury. Meanwhile Julius Peppers has played 17 years.

[arapaho2]

I agree...but definitely enough for me to say drop Shaq and draft Chubb. I think Ray can still be good and by the time Chubb needs to be paid...Miller will likely be done.

I dunno chubb is a hand in the dirt college 4-3 DE...we play a 3-4 with ray and miller standing...can chubb play the OLB position, or will he be like Demarcus walker another DE that we tried to play OLB...and he failed

in college he was a qb killer as a DE...as a bronco he was totally ineffective as a OLB...is that what we would get with chubb...if so we are wasting the #5

[NightTerror218]

We have Miller ray and Barrett as pass rushers. We have walker too who sounds like will be moving back to DE. Chubb is unproven and nobody can say will be able to match 8 sacks a season like Ray did as rotational player. I fear if Chubb is drafter he will relieve Miller and take his snaps down trying to get him playing time.

[TXBRONC]

We have Miller ray and Barrett as pass rushers. We have walker too who sounds like will be moving back to DE. Chubb is unproven and nobody can say will be able to match 8 sacks a season like Ray did as rotational player. I fear if Chubb is drafter he will relieve Miller and take his snaps down trying to get him playing time.

Ray's had one season where he's had eight sacks not multiple seasons. Last year was wasted because he was injured so I'm confident if he's healthy he will produce. True we don't what Chubb would be able to produce, but that was also true of Miller when he was a rookie. Why would you fear Chubb getting playing time and Miller getting an opportunity to rest. In 2015 there were plenty of times when our two most prominent pass rushers getting on sideline with Barrett and Ray getting snaps. I like the idea of sending waves of pass rushers at opposing quarterback. That said, Chubb is 4-3 defensive end and who knows if he has hip flexibility to switch OLB. It's just my opinion, but of the non-quarterbacks that could potentially could on the board when Denver drafts Chubbs seems like the most not to be there because Giants need a pass rusher I think it would be hard for the Browns to pass on a bookend for Garrett.