View Full Version : Josh Rosen
Jsteve01
03-03-2018, 12:33 AM
Ok Kinger and Jaded. He impressed me on the podium today. Not at all douchey
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000918842/article/josh-rosen-im-not-going-to-show-teams-fake-image-of-myself
He's the best prospect in the entire draft. Yes, over the studly guards et al. He would typically have the best arm in the draft class, but this year the guy from Wyoming has one of the best arms seen in a long, long time. With that being said, Rosen has a great arm, and has routinely shown that he can make every type of throw consistently. His weight is the only knock on him physically.
And his mind is second to none. He's not just a football genius, the kid's a genius, period. There is no finer combination of physical and mental talent in this draft.
And the guy's genuine in regards to who he is as a person. If he wins, the team will love him no matter what. And, to be honest, he does come across as rich in intangibles, albeit not in a 'classic' sense.
If we don't draft him in favor of some guard who won't matter if we don't have a QB, it'll be an absurdly stupid move. If we take another QB over him (unless it's signing Cousins) then that's just wrong. Darnold isn't as talented as Rosen, and he's less polished. Allen can't complete passes at a proper clip, and neither can Jackson.
He's the guy. And if we traded up to get him, I'd support it. He's the genuine article.
MOtorboat
03-03-2018, 01:49 AM
Do what it takes, 7!
Ziggy
03-03-2018, 08:34 AM
Do what it takes, 7!
That would be a minimum of our first and second round picks this year and next, and either a player or a mid round pick as well to move up to 1.
Jsteve01
03-03-2018, 09:34 AM
Do what it takes, 7!
That would be a minimum of our first and second round picks this year and next, and either a player or a mid round pick as well to move up to 1.
yeah and i hate that, but if they are that sold on him the eagles have a ring to show why it works. The thing that bugs me is that our roster is a little older and we need a talent/ youth infusion
Hopefully he falls to us. But when I see these analysts talk about his character issues, I really hope the NFL GM's are as stupid.
HORSEPOWER 56
03-03-2018, 11:19 AM
I don’t think he gets drafted at #1 overall by Cleveland. That leaves really NYG and anyone who might trade up with Indy as the only spots above us where he can be taken. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Rosen is there at #5, especially after guys like Barkley, Nelson, and Allen put on a show at the combine.
I have reservations with Rosen, not with his talent or his attitude, it’s his injury history that concerns me. A throwing shoulder injury and a history of concussions are a huge ? for me. I’d hate for him to be another Sam Bradford. All the talent, can’t stay on the field.
MOtorboat
03-03-2018, 12:30 PM
That would be a minimum of our first and second round picks this year and next, and either a player or a mid round pick as well to move up to 1.
Ok.
OrangeHoof
03-03-2018, 03:12 PM
My only axe to grind about Rosen is that he wilts like a hothouse plant in big games. On mechanics, he's a ton better than Mayfield. On grit and desire to win games, Mayfield is a ton better than Rosen.
They said PFM wasn't a big game QB in college, too.
Simple Jaded
03-03-2018, 04:39 PM
Bears traded the #3, a 3rd, a 4th (‘17 Draft) and a 3rd (‘18 draft) to move up one spot last year, your guesstimate starts there.
But remember, you bidding against Jets if they miss out on Barf Cousins.
Also, you’re not moving as far up as Philli, St Louis, Houston and KC has recently.
Simple Jaded
03-03-2018, 04:46 PM
By the way, Denver currently has extra picks in rounds 3 thru 5,they have some ammo.
ShaneFalco
03-03-2018, 09:52 PM
he is a cuck like MO
he is a cuck like MO
He's the best QB in the draft and a better option than anyone we have on the roster.
ShaneFalco
03-03-2018, 10:29 PM
Oh he beat Bama?
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-03-2018, 11:48 PM
Don’t get your hopes up king. He’ll be gone before we pick
Simple Jaded
03-04-2018, 12:59 AM
Shane is not down with Rosen, what more do you people need?
MOtorboat
03-04-2018, 01:00 AM
Shane is not down with Rosen, what more do you people need?
That's a full on endorsement.
Simple Jaded
03-04-2018, 01:04 AM
That's a full on endorsement.
It’s science.
Dapper Dan
03-04-2018, 08:12 AM
he sorry
NightTerror218
03-04-2018, 10:07 AM
My think with rosen is how bad he gets under pressure. He just turns into Orton.
My think with rosen is how bad he gets under pressure. He just turns into Orton.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20924570/the-best-quarterbacks-different-high-pressure-scenarios
If you're referring to pocket pressure, that comes with time, and Brady is ass when he's pressured, too.
The arguments against Rosen don't really exist, sans the injuries that can happen to anyone.
He is who we thought they were! Crown him! Don't let him off the hook!
Timmy!
03-04-2018, 01:43 PM
I smell Cutler 2.0.
MOtorboat
03-04-2018, 01:45 PM
I smell Cutler 2.0.
He seems to give a shit, though.
I smell Cutler 2.0.
Rosen actually won at a school not known for winning football games. Rosen was a hard working student of the game. He was supported by his teammates. He's the exact opposite of Cutler. Although, to be fair, Cutler was probably a more talented specimen.
Timmy!
03-04-2018, 01:47 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the idea, and would prefer him to Allen, but something seems off. I'd rather get cousins and draft Nelson.
underrated29
03-04-2018, 01:49 PM
I see nothing like cutler. Nothing at all.
Rosen is much better. Does not throw of his back foot. Clean sharp and fast delivery. He does not drop the ball low like cutler. He has better accuracy and touch than cutler. Literally nothing like cutler except the doofy face.
People want to bag on rosen because he put a hot tub in his room. I think thats awesome, personally! The point is, this guy is the best QB I have seen come out in a long long while. Cutler was not, although I did like cutler coming out. Everything I see with Rosen is Brady. The way he moves even reminds me of Brady.
Timmy!
03-04-2018, 01:51 PM
UR loves him, I'm officially offboard. Hard pass.
underrated29
03-04-2018, 01:52 PM
You will lose your nostratimmy status if you do.
UR loves him, I'm officially offboard. Hard pass.
But the accurate eye of the King who has been the most accurate of QB appraisal since his time in Broncodem declares Mr. UCLA to be the man.
Plus, UR has been correct from time to time.
aberdien
03-04-2018, 01:55 PM
Who among us, if given the opportunity to put a hot tub in your room, wouldn't do the same thing?
Who among us, if given the opportunity to put a hot tub in your room, wouldn't do the same thing?
There was no rule against it - he is a sharp man.
underrated29
03-04-2018, 01:56 PM
I think you mean, always. ^^^^ Im not Josh Allen. My scouting eye is keen. I have the eye of the Rosen! It is accurate!
Timmy!
03-04-2018, 01:59 PM
You will lose your nostratimmy status if you do.
We aren't getting him. Boom. Nostratimmy.
I think you mean, always. ^^^^ Im not Josh Allen. My scouting eye is keen. I have the eye of the Rosen! It is accurate!
You loved Kapri Bibbs, thought Stewart would be an elite RB, and think Chad Kelly is better than what he is.
We all swing and miss, though. You are my brother. When you find a Russian open to dating fat white guys, I know that you'll do the right thing.
underrated29
03-04-2018, 02:11 PM
You loved Kapri Bibbs, thought Stewart would be an elite RB, and think Chad Kelly is better than what he is.
We all swing and miss, though. You are my brother. When you find a Russian open to dating fat white guys, I know that you'll do the right thing.
I loved Kapri Bibbs for the Kubiak system. I never pimped him for a real RB position.
Stewart could have been. The guy was a great RB. I feel carolina wasted him.
Im hopeful for Kelly....he has a lot to work with.
I missed on Delone Carter, but he was a 4th round pick a sleeper, but he kept sleeping. And I was not impressed with Henderson when we Drafted him, he changed my mind in pre-season and his end of season carries. Ill count that as a miss. Oh, I also liked the S Robert Sands, who went to Cincy. He was not very good. I think I had him in round 2.
LOL i know a lot of russians. I had a night with one on friday. Come out to CO and I can make the intro for you
You can put on the shiny shoes but you ain't dancing.
OrangeHoof
03-04-2018, 02:59 PM
They said PFM wasn't a big game QB in college, too.
Just saw his bowl game against Nebraska on YouTube and he wasn't. Had Jamaal Lewis in his backfield too.
In other words, who cares about big games in college?
Jsteve01
03-04-2018, 06:02 PM
Blah blah blah. I was a huge fan of Brady coming out. I will admit that I never projected him to win 5 Super Bowls but I couldn't see how the kid got drafted in the sixth round. All he did was out play one of the most talented quarterbacks that I've ever seen and used Moxie and an average arm and unbelievable ability to read defenses.
Simple Jaded
03-04-2018, 06:38 PM
Josh Rosen is Troy Aikman.
The fact that he’s not here to lick TB12’s boots makes him even more appealing.
MOtorboat
03-04-2018, 06:39 PM
Josh Rosen is Troy Aikman.
...with a personality...
Simple Jaded
03-04-2018, 06:40 PM
...with a personality...
Chicks dig him, I bet. Big hands.
Ziggy
03-04-2018, 07:15 PM
https://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/josh-rosen-628x362.png
Timmy!
03-05-2018, 02:50 PM
He looks like a dingus.
BroncoJoe
03-05-2018, 02:53 PM
He kind of looks like Wave.
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CoachChaz
03-05-2018, 03:19 PM
Josh Rosen is Sam Bradford.
Corrected for accuracy.
Corrected for accuracy.
He's tall and skinny. He is Bradford. TS is of good height, a bland arm, and 'smart', he is Tom Brady. Mayfield is short but has an arm, he's a stronger armed version of Drew Brees.
Poopy.
He kind of looks like Wave.
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This is why I like him so much!
BroncoJoe
03-05-2018, 05:15 PM
This is why I like him so much!
At least you're used to being disappointed. :)
At least you're used to being disappointed. :)
I get that from my friendship with you.
ShaneFalco
03-05-2018, 05:36 PM
Shane is not down with Rosen, what more do you people need?
i am?
BroncoJoe
03-05-2018, 05:43 PM
I get that from my friendship with you.
You're a monster.
You're a monster.
This is what message board life did to me!
Nomad
03-05-2018, 06:05 PM
You better order your NYG Rosen jersey, King.
You better order your NYG Rosen jersey, King.
No. He will be a Bronco! I want it more than Falco wanted us to draft Christian McCaffaback.
This is going to happen!
Timmy!
03-05-2018, 06:23 PM
No. He will be a Bronco! I want it more than Falco wanted us to draft Christian McCaffaback.
This is going to happen!
It's not.
It's not.
If we aren't signing Cousins, Rosen will be ours!
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-05-2018, 07:44 PM
Rosen will be gone by pick 3. We have to trade up to 1 if we want him
Rosen will be gone by pick 3. We have to trade up to 1 if we want him
I trust Elway to do the right thing.
MOtorboat
03-05-2018, 07:59 PM
I trust Elway to do the right thing.
You know he's going to draft Mayfield, right?
You know he's going to draft Mayfield, right?
Surely a grown man who was once an entitled and talented jerkoff will draft the entitled and talented jerkoff. I refuse to believe that Elway will refuse to take Rosen, who is clearly the best prospect at QB and go with the shorter and less talented gunslinger who has real maturity issues and is less football savvy.
I refuse to believe this.
Jsteve01
03-05-2018, 08:33 PM
Josh Rosen is Sam Bradford.
Corrected for accuracy.
I've been saying this for weeks. But he's Bradford without the great personality and the size. The personality issues concern me, but the durability concerns scare me even more especially with the Broncos offensive line
The Rosen stuff in MMQB was interesting, and to me makes it seem more likely than not that he could slide a bit. This is just the end of it:
After speaking to three coaches and two respected personnel people with an interest in quarterbacks in this draft, I can say this: Rosen helped his cause this weekend, both as a thrower of the football and in getting his point across that being well-rounded and smart is not poisonous to a football team. “Very smart,” said one coach. “Helped his cause. But will his teammates gravitate to him? And he’s not a very big kid—can he be good enough in the pocket and avoid sacks?”
But I also will say this: He’s not beloved, not like the more humble Sam Darnold of USC and Josh Allen of Wyoming. I just can’t tell if it’s because of the pre-combine NFL whisper campaign. I do think Rosen has work to do in the eight weeks left before the draft. He has to convince teams with big quarterbacks needs—Cleveland, the Jets, the Giants, Arizona—and almost exclusively conservative team management—that he’d be a good fit with them and would be sufficiently all-football.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/05/nfl-combine-2018-news-josh-rosen-shaquem-griffin-mmqb-peter-king
God, please let him slide.
God, please let him slide.
As I told MO, and I don't mean to make this political - I just don't see a politically conservative Elway drafting the liberal entitled anti-Trump California kid who isn't well liked by his teammates. I don't mean to imply JFE makes decisions based on politics - but he's going to need to like his incoming franchise QB and I think it's going to take a slightly more out of the box team to take a chance on him.
Simple Jaded
03-05-2018, 11:10 PM
The Rosen stuff in MMQB was interesting, and to me makes it seem more likely than not that he could slide a bit. This is just the end of it:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/05/nfl-combine-2018-news-josh-rosen-shaquem-griffin-mmqb-peter-king
Josh Allen thinks Dan Marino is John Elway, somewhere Mark Mularkey is LOLing.
chazoe60
03-05-2018, 11:11 PM
God, please let him slide.
I'm starting the Rosen slide smear campaign.
I once saw him kick a puppy and punch a pregnant woman at the exact same time. He said he was "multi-tasking"
Simple Jaded
03-05-2018, 11:13 PM
As I told MO, and I don't mean to make this political - I just don't see a politically conservative Elway drafting the liberal entitled anti-Trump California kid who isn't well liked by his teammates. I don't mean to imply JFE makes decisions based on politics - but he's going to need to like his incoming franchise QB and I think it's going to take a slightly more out of the box team to take a chance on him.
His teammates disagree with this, fwiw.
chazoe60
03-05-2018, 11:13 PM
As I told MO, and I don't mean to make this political - I just don't see a politically conservative Elway drafting the liberal entitled anti-Trump California kid who isn't well liked by his teammates. I don't mean to imply JFE makes decisions based on politics - but he's going to need to like his incoming franchise QB and I think it's going to take a slightly more out of the box team to take a chance on him.
If Elway thinks Rosen is the best QB available I don't believe he'll let that shit affect his decision making. Plus, I've heard multiple reports that Rosen is already the QB Elway likes best in the draft.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-05-2018, 11:14 PM
Elway drafted Ray and Roby in back to back years. I seriously don’t see Elway not drafting a talented player because of a stupid hat
I'm starting the Rosen slide smear campaign.
I once saw him kick a puppy and punch a pregnant woman at the exact same time. He said he was "multi-tasking"
He also is a movie talker.
Simple Jaded
03-05-2018, 11:16 PM
He also is a movie talker.
He should fit in with a prodominantly black locker room.
chazoe60
03-05-2018, 11:17 PM
He also is a movie talker.
He drives 10 MPH below the speed limit in the passing lane.
Simple Jaded
03-05-2018, 11:17 PM
He drives 10 MPH below the speed limit in the passing lane.
In a Subaru Outback.
Ok, Mayfield it is.
Simple Jaded
03-05-2018, 11:19 PM
Ok, on a serious not; if you drive a Subaru Outback you need to stay in the right lanes. I’m seriously, you guys.
chazoe60
03-05-2018, 11:19 PM
He always eats the last slice of pizza, and I'm pretty sure he's killed people.
Elway drafted Ray and Roby in back to back years. I seriously don’t see Elway not drafting a talented player because of a stupid hat
I mean its just one input factor... I agree that it isn't THE deciding factor - but I think when you view it in totality he doesn't seem to check the boxes that I think JFE wants to see. The guy isn't well liked by teammates, he has been accused of not loving the game, he's got a smaller frame, he's got some injury concerns, and then you add in that he's an unabashed liberal with a bad attitude (all allegedly)... I just don't see him as a guy Elway wants to invest in at #5.
If Elway thinks Rosen is the best QB available I don't believe he'll let that shit affect his decision making. Plus, I've heard multiple reports that Rosen is already the QB Elway likes best in the draft.
My point is merely that Peter King confirmed what we've all been hearing that Rosen has a reputation in league circles, whether it's fair or not. I already regret dabbling into politics.
underrated29
03-06-2018, 01:30 AM
Who gives a shit. He can play. He’s the best qb since luck and before him Rodgers. I don’t care what his political stance is and I doubt elway does either. You draft the guy that can play. He can play. The rest is bobycock and why teams draft busts...they knock a guy for some stupid reason. Then they draft a guy because he helped old ladies across the street.
CoachChaz
03-06-2018, 09:12 AM
Who gives a shit. He can play. He’s the best qb since luck and before him Rodgers. I don’t care what his political stance is and I doubt elway does either. You draft the guy that can play. He can play. The rest is bobycock and why teams draft busts...they knock a guy for some stupid reason. Then they draft a guy because he helped old ladies across the street.
Pure opinion. At the end of the day a good argument can be made for Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Mayfield...and on the same hand, there are negatives to each of these players. Even without considering political stances and entitled youth. At the end of the day, it all comes down to Elway taking a swing at a QB and NOT missing this time. Based on his track record...I'm a bit concerned.
HORSEPOWER 56
03-06-2018, 09:19 AM
Who gives a shit. He can play. He’s the best qb since luck and before him Rodgers. I don’t care what his political stance is and I doubt elway does either. You draft the guy that can play. He can play. The rest is bobycock and why teams draft busts...they knock a guy for some stupid reason. Then they draft a guy because he helped old ladies across the street.
What was that old quote people used to use regarding players who could ball but may have off field issues or be douchey? “Skillz, not Happy Mealz!” I think this applies to Rosen.
G_Money
03-06-2018, 10:43 AM
I've said before that for the Broncos I would take the guy who can throw it accurately and read defenses. I could see Darnold, even though when he talks I feel like I'm watching Fast Times At Ridgemont High. But if you made me pick a QB with the #5 pick, I would take Rosen.
So many things line up in interesting ways of we don't have to pick a QB, though. I would still take the shot on Keenum and work with Kelly to see what he is, because it lets the Broncos take advantage of a lot of high picks in this draft to restock the team, especially on offense. They have Jake Butt but I would like two pass-catching TEs to help whatever QB we have in the middle and down the seams. Denver needs multiple GOOD linemen and have a host of other positions to shore up on both sides of the ball.
Sign a QB who can play and then restock this squad, or draft a QB who can be The Future. John hasn't shown the ability to find that second one so I'd rather go with the first, but in a draft where every QB has both underwhelmed and shown great potential everything's a risk. Rosen is a risk, and I would rather restock the rest of the team so that whatever QB is out there has a better shot. Of course, John has missed on more than QBs so that's a risk too.
Just roll the dice, man - except don't pick Allen. Please don't get your Joshes confused...
CoachChaz
03-06-2018, 11:07 AM
I've said before that for the Broncos I would take the guy who can throw it accurately and read defenses. I could see Darnold, even though when he talks I feel like I'm watching Fast Times At Ridgemont High. But if you made me pick a QB with the #5 pick, I would take Rosen.
So many things line up in interesting ways of we don't have to pick a QB, though. I would still take the shot on Keenum and work with Kelly to see what he is, because it lets the Broncos take advantage of a lot of high picks in this draft to restock the team, especially on offense. They have Jake Butt but I would like two pass-catching TEs to help whatever QB we have in the middle and down the seams. Denver needs multiple GOOD linemen and have a host of other positions to shore up on both sides of the ball.
Sign a QB who can play and then restock this squad, or draft a QB who can be The Future. John hasn't shown the ability to find that second one so I'd rather go with the first, but in a draft where every QB has both underwhelmed and shown great potential everything's a risk. Rosen is a risk, and I would rather restock the rest of the team so that whatever QB is out there has a better shot. Of course, John has missed on more than QBs so that's a risk too.
Just roll the dice, man - except don't pick Allen. Please don't get your Joshes confused...
I somewhat agree with this. I think we'd be better off having a high draft pick with only one or two cant miss QB's available than sitting there with 5 that could all be good or all be bad. And when you figure that we arent going to be a big attraction to quality FA's without an answer at QB...or we wont have money to add any FA's if we do land a Cousins, the short term future is still fairly bleak. So, I'm kind of reserved to the notion of signing a Keenum or Bradford or Bridgewater or Taylor for the short term and seeing if Lynch or Kelly can figure some things out. Maybe even looking at a Lauletta or Woodside as an extra developmental guy later in the draft. If all of that fails, then at least we can build up the team and look at a QB in next years draft which should also have a ton of talent available at QB.
At the end of the day it comes down to the position the organization currently sits in. We have no QB, no significant money and no coaching. At least 2 of the 3 need to be in place if we want to have a successful off-season and contend and that isnt happening between now and next week.
ShaneFalco
03-06-2018, 06:39 PM
i like Rosen, he is fragile as **** tho.
Multiple concussions, without a great line, will get broken in NFL.
Simple Jaded
03-06-2018, 10:37 PM
i like Rosen, he is fragile as **** tho.
Multiple concussions, without a great line, will get broken in NFL.
Josh Allen it is.
Dilly dilly.
Simple Jaded
03-06-2018, 10:43 PM
What was that old quote people used to use regarding players who could ball but may have off field issues or be douchey? “Skillz, not Happy Mealz!” I think this applies to Rosen.
Compared to today’s political climate Rosen a ****ing saint. He doesn’t have any off field issues, by the way, zero.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-07-2018, 12:24 AM
Josh Allen it is.
Dilly dilly.
Dilly dilly
underrated29
03-07-2018, 01:18 AM
Pure opinion. At the end of the day a good argument can be made for Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Mayfield...and on the same hand, there are negatives to each of these players. Even without considering political stances and entitled youth. At the end of the day, it all comes down to Elway taking a swing at a QB and NOT missing this time. Based on his track record...I'm a bit concerned.
Sure, it my opinion but Who has come out that has looked better than him as a passer?
His knocks are not his skills. It’s that he’s a douche, and has minor injury history. I can’t think of a qb who has looked as good as he since the qbs i named.
NightTerror218
03-07-2018, 01:23 AM
Sure, it my opinion but Who has come out that has looked better than him as a passer?
His knocks are not his skills. It’s that he’s a douche, and has minor injury history. I can’t think of a qb who has looked as good as he since the qbs i named.
Knock on his play is how bad he has been under pressure since he is immobile
CoachChaz
03-07-2018, 09:52 AM
Sure, it my opinion but Who has come out that has looked better than him as a passer?
His knocks are not his skills. It’s that he’s a douche, and has minor injury history. I can’t think of a qb who has looked as good as he since the qbs i named.
I was more or less knocking the notion he's the best prospect since Luck. From a skill perspective, Winston, Goff and Wentz were all better prospects. Winston had some off field stuff, Wentz had small school experience, but none of them had the injury history and complete lack of escapability that Rosen has. But we've seen an elite passer that cant avoid a rush and always seems injured. Sam Bradford 2.0
HORSEPOWER 56
03-07-2018, 10:19 AM
Knock on his play is how bad he has been under pressure since he is immobile
Folks keep saying that. I don’t really see it. He’s not a statue. Just because he doesn’t run the read option and make design runs with the ball doesn’t mean he’s immobile. He’s a true pocket passer and has been coached that way.
He ran in the 4.8s at the combine (So did Mayfield). He’s not some lumbering oaf. He also weighed in around 226 at the combine, not the slight 211 we’ve seen before. He didn’t look like the scrawny guy I thought he was. Stop believing everything you read. No, he’s not a natural runner, but he’s not PFM slow either.
Ziggy
03-07-2018, 10:54 AM
Rosen's two concussions last year are a huge red flag. Especially with this Oline.
CoachChaz
03-07-2018, 10:58 AM
Folks keep saying that. I don’t really see it. He’s not a statue. Just because he doesn’t run the read option and make design runs with the ball doesn’t mean he’s immobile. He’s a true pocket passer and has been coached that way.
He ran in the 4.8s at the combine (So did Mayfield). He’s not some lumbering oaf. He also weighed in around 226 at the combine, not the slight 211 we’ve seen before. He didn’t look like the scrawny guy I thought he was. Stop believing everything you read. No, he’s not a natural runner, but he’s not PFM slow either.
He's not a statue, but his escapability and how it leads to injury is certainly something teams are wary of. It doesnt take much to look at film and scouting reports and see that NFL teams are aware of this and that it's noted. That doesnt mean he cant get past that...just that it exists right now.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-07-2018, 11:22 AM
Walter football has a source that Elway likes Rosen above all the qb’s.
“It's been rumored that John Elway likes Josh Rosen over the other quarterbacks, but both Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield make sense as well.”
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz5954EVYXp
CoachChaz
03-07-2018, 11:48 AM
Walter football has a source that Elway likes Rosen above all the qb’s.
“It's been rumored that John Elway likes Josh Rosen over the other quarterbacks, but both Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield make sense as well.”
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz5954EVYXp
I think if he wants one of Rosen or Mayfield, he's going to have to trade up.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-07-2018, 11:50 AM
I think if he wants one of Rosen or Mayfield, he's going to have to trade up.
I agree, at least with drafting Rosen. Do you really think 3 of the top 4 picks will be qb?
CoachChaz
03-07-2018, 11:57 AM
I agree, at least with drafting Rosen. Do you really think 3 of the top 4 picks will be qb?
Short answer...it depends.
Long answer...If it stands pat, I would think Cleveland would take Barley and Mayfield and NYG would take Rosen. Indy could go Chubbor Fitzpatrick, but they could also trade back a little bit with another QB needy team. If that team isnt us, then we could see 3 go in the top 5. Just depends on how much more Elway wants Rosen or Mayfield compared to Allen or Darnold.
Just speculation though.
Hawgdriver
03-07-2018, 12:04 PM
If Broncos can get Rosen at 5, go for it, otherwise take Nelson. There are way too many issues on the team to sacrifice the opportunity for as many chances on young talent as they can get. The Broncos won't sniff a championship opportunity during the rest of Von's period of DPOY-type play. The premise that marginal improvement on offense is all they need to do is flawed.
At least stack the roster with young talent so our next coaching staff has something to work with.
BroncoJoe
03-07-2018, 12:07 PM
Short answer...it depends.
Long answer...If it stands pat, I would think Cleveland would take Barley and Mayfield and NYG would take Rosen. Indy could go Chubbor Fitzpatrick, but they could also trade back a little bit with another QB needy team. If that team isnt us, then we could see 3 go in the top 5. Just depends on how much more Elway wants Rosen or Mayfield compared to Allen or Darnold.
Just speculation though.
I respect the hell out of your draft analysis, so question:
Are these QB's worthy of the top 5 picks? Top 10?
CoachChaz
03-07-2018, 12:18 PM
I respect the hell out of your draft analysis, so question:
Are these QB's worthy of the top 5 picks? Top 10?
QB is obviously and probably rightfully the most scrutinized position, so if you read enough, you can certainly find a million reasons to say none of them are worthy. In my amateur opinion, it comes down to what is coachable. Can Rosen's escapability be coached? Can he add muscle tone? Can Mayfield's cockiness be coached into confidence? Can a strong locker room help with that? Can Allen improve his accuracy with top tier coaching and better talent around him? Can Darnold be coached to secure the ball better? All of these are things that up front, we could probably answer YES to, but it's ultimately up to the people that do this for a living. I think the top 4 QB's are pretty equal as it pertains to pros and cons...it just comes down to what Elway, Musgrave and Sullivan think.
But yes...I think they are top 5 talents. When you have 4 of them, it's easier to dismiss a few by nit-picking, but if it were only 2 available...any 2, would this be a question?
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-07-2018, 01:20 PM
Coach is a smart man
CoachChaz
03-07-2018, 02:11 PM
Coach is a smart man
You might not think that if you knew which order of preference I had these four kids in.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
03-07-2018, 03:16 PM
You might not think that if you knew which order of preference I had these four kids in.
Eh, I was bashed for two solid months because I was providing steam for the Allen hype train. I’m guessing yours goes like this:
1 Mayfield
2 Allen
3 Darnold
4 Rosen
underrated29
03-07-2018, 04:01 PM
From a skill perspective, Winston, Goff and Wentz were all better prospects.
As a passer?
I disagree.
They may have been prospects due to arm, running, leadership. As a passer, mechanics, and reading the defense going through progressions hes the best ive seen since rodgers and luck.
CoachChaz
03-07-2018, 04:05 PM
Eh, I was bashed for two solid months because I was providing steam for the Allen hype train. I’m guessing yours goes like this:
1 Mayfield
2 Allen
3 Darnold
4 Rosen
Depends on the stop gap veteran we get...if we do. But, my list looks like this...
If we need one to start day 1..
Mayfield
Allen
Rosen
Rudolph
Darnold
If we can develop them for a year..
Allen
Mayfield
Rudolph
Darnold
Rosen
If I knew for sure Rudolph would be available at our 2nd round pick, I'd probably look to go with BPA in the first and nab Rudolph in the 2nd. I really think a lot of people are focusing on the hype of the "Big 4" and not paying attention to Rudolph. I guess my mentality is would I rather have a top 3 QB with minimal supporting talent, or a top 10 with quality supporting talent.
CoachChaz
03-07-2018, 04:18 PM
As a passer?
I disagree.
They may have been prospects due to arm, running, leadership. As a passer, mechanics, and reading the defense going through progressions hes the best ive seen since rodgers and luck.
Good thing there are professional scout to offer more pertinent information. Rosen, while good, isnt even the best in this class at going through progressions. He is skilled, but there is still quite a bit of film on him getting stuck on his primary receiver. And yes... A LOT more goes into the quality of a QB than just their pure passing ability. Progressions/reads...pocket presence...mobility...arm strength...short accuracy...long accuracy...passing under pressure...ball security...scheme fit.
If we based it on just pure passing mechanics, then Luke Faulk, Logan Woodside and Mike White would be top 5 candidates as well.
Every indication is that Rosen is the MENSA of QB's...
Most of the criticism against him is arbitrary.
Every indication is that Rosen is the MENSA of QB's...
Most of the criticism against him is arbitrary.
There is still room for you on the Mayfield train.
Hawgdriver
03-07-2018, 07:14 PM
I'd be ok with any of these guys:
Rosen
Darnold
Mayfield
Allen
Rudolph
Jackson
I'd prefer Rosen, but I can't see how he would coexist with VJ. Seems like a conflict upon arrival. Mayfield would be a better fit. Allen I think is overhyped but the talent is real. Rudolph is about as good as anyone not named Rosen or maybe Darnold. Jackson gets me a little hyped because this franchise needs a year or two of RG3 type revival. Even if that's all you get.
I didn't realize how down I was on the Broncos until the last week or so. I'm caught in a pit of despair and futility! I see no hope! Someone save me.
If Rosen conflicts with the HC VJ gets fired that much faster.
I don't want Jackson in the first round - I wish he was Deshaun Watson.
aberdien
03-07-2018, 09:11 PM
If we're gonna pick one of those QBs at 5, it's gotta be Rosen. Otherwise, find a way to get a late 1st round pick and get Rudolph.
I don't think Baker or Allen are worth a 5.
ShaneFalco
03-07-2018, 10:41 PM
Rosen dropping
Northman
03-08-2018, 06:05 AM
If we're gonna pick one of those QBs at 5, it's gotta be Rosen. Otherwise, find a way to get a late 1st round pick and get Rudolph.
I don't think Baker or Allen are worth a 5.
Unsure about Baker but Allen is definitely not worth it. But im ok with taking an Olineman at 5 and then going after Falk or Rudolph later.
HORSEPOWER 56
03-08-2018, 09:54 AM
I know this is the Rosen Thread but I was trying to do some comparison with Darnold to figure out the pros/cons of both and I’ve found some stuff that I find kinda shocking. In 27 games, Darnold has 23 Ints and 20 fumbles. That’s ridiculous, especially for a guy who doesn’t exactly play in the most defensive conference and has by far the best team in said conference.
I don’t see the hype in this guy at all, especially the “best QB in this draft” hype. Is it possible he’s overrated based on being the starting QB for the University of Spoiled Children? He doesn’t have great mechanics, has a loopy delivery, turns the ball over a lot, doesn’t have the confidence to call himself the best QB in this draft, didn’t throw at the combine, didn’t run the fastest 40 and isn’t the most athletic, doesn’t have the strongest arm in the class, etc. Someone please tell me what the hype is about with Darnold? Right now all I see is a guy with huge expectations and even bigger bust potential.
CoachChaz
03-08-2018, 10:51 AM
I know this is the Rosen Thread but I was trying to do some comparison with Darnold to figure out the pros/cons of both and I’ve found some stuff that I find kinda shocking. In 27 games, Darnold has 23 Ints and 20 fumbles. That’s ridiculous, especially for a guy who doesn’t exactly play in the most defensive conference and has by far the best team in said conference.
I don’t see the hype in this guy at all, especially the “best QB in this draft” hype. Is it possible he’s overrated based on being the starting QB for the University of Spoiled Children? He doesn’t have great mechanics, has a loopy delivery, turns the ball over a lot, doesn’t have the confidence to call himself the best QB in this draft, didn’t throw at the combine, didn’t run the fastest 40 and isn’t the most athletic, doesn’t have the strongest arm in the class, etc. Someone please tell me what the hype is about with Darnold? Right now all I see is a guy with huge expectations and even bigger bust potential.
Watch some film on him...or even just highlights. He could be a stud. Probably should have stayed in school, but in the right program, he'll be just fine.
HORSEPOWER 56
03-08-2018, 11:09 AM
Watch some film on him...or even just highlights. He could be a stud. Probably should have stayed in school, but in the right program, he'll be just fine.
I did watch some highlights and, of course, because they’re “highlights” they show things he did well only so I take those with a grain of salt. I also looked at the caliber of teams that he was doing those things against. Not exactly world beaters. Then I saw high and lowlights from the OSU game and others and saw a guy who didn’t look very special. I’m not saying he sucks, I just don’t see the reason for the love fest with him. Allen is a better athlete with better tangibles, Rosen is a better passer, Mayfield and Jackson are just as much “playmakers” who can do things when stuff breaks down if not more and don’t turn the ball over anywhere near as much.
I guess you could see him as a guy who is a “jack of all trades” but I just don’t know.
CoachChaz
03-08-2018, 11:20 AM
I did watch some highlights and, of course, because they’re “highlights” they show things he did well only so I take those with a grain of salt. I also looked at the caliber of teams that he was doing those things against. Not exactly world beaters. Then I saw high and lowlights from the OSU game and others and saw a guy who didn’t look very special. I’m not saying he sucks, I just don’t see the reason for the love fest with him. Allen is a better athlete with better tangibles, Rosen is a better passer, Mayfield and Jackson are just as much “playmakers” who can do things when stuff breaks down if not more and don’t turn the ball over anywhere near as much.
I guess you could see him as a guy who is a “jack of all trades” but I just don’t know.
To be honest, I'd personally prefer Rosen, Mayfield, Allen and Rudolph over Darnold, so I wont argue this too much. But he has enough talent that a team that can develop him could get the top QB out of this class in the long run. My hope is the Browns or Giants pick him and leave more options for us. But I'm personally on the train of getting Nelson and seeing what it would take to get one of the Bills picks and taking Rudolph.
Hawgdriver
03-08-2018, 11:24 AM
To be honest, I'd personally prefer Rosen, Mayfield, Allen and Rudolph over Darnold, so I wont argue this too much. But he has enough talent that a team that can develop him could get the top QB out of this class in the long run. My hope is the Browns or Giants pick him and leave more options for us. But I'm personally on the train of getting Nelson and seeing what it would take to get one of the Bills picks and taking Rudolph.
Nelson and Rudolph would be a fetch.
CoachChaz
03-08-2018, 11:56 AM
Nelson and Rudolph would be a fetch.
I'd give up # 40, #99 and next year's 2nd round and 4th round. At least start there and see where it goes.
ShaneFalco
03-08-2018, 06:34 PM
so what big college team did Rosen ever beat?
Any bowl game? etc?
MOtorboat
03-08-2018, 07:27 PM
so what big college team did Rosen ever beat?
Any bowl game? etc?
This is irrelevant to future success.
Hawgdriver
03-08-2018, 07:31 PM
This is irrelevant to future success.
I wouldn't say it's irrelevant...but it invites the question of how many times did Josh Rosen spout nonsense about his AK and engage in preschool shenanigans while holding the mantle of team leader and big time QB. You can cherry pick a weakness for any QB that has ever approached the NFL draft.
MOtorboat
03-08-2018, 07:42 PM
I wouldn't say it's irrelevant...but it invites the question of how many times did Josh Rosen spout nonsense about his AK and engage in preschool shenanigans while holding the mantle of team leader and big time QB. You can cherry pick a weakness for any QB that has ever approached the NFL draft.
I believe it is quite irrelevant. He's referring specifically to Chad Kelly and Ole Miss beating Alabama.
Here are the quarterbacks to beat Alabama in the last five years:
Kelly
J.T. Barrett
Johnny Manziel
Jarred Stitham
Deshaun Watson
I do not see this accomplishment as being relevant to NFL success based on historical instances.
Davii
03-08-2018, 07:57 PM
I believe it is quite irrelevant. He's referring specifically to Chad Kelly and Ole Miss beating Alabama.
Here are the quarterbacks to beat Alabama in the last five years:
Kelly
J.T. Barrett
Johnny Manziel
Jarred Stitham
Deshaun Watson
I do not see this accomplishment as being relevant to NFL success based on historical instances.
Not true. I have heard that Kelly is a future 3 time SB Winner and HOFer.
MOtorboat
03-08-2018, 08:51 PM
Not true. I have heard that Kelly is a future 3 time SB Winner and HOFer.
He might be. You never know. But his future success is unrelated to beating Alabama.
:yo:
I wouldn't say it's irrelevant...but it invites the question of how many times did Josh Rosen spout nonsense about his AK and engage in preschool shenanigans while holding the mantle of team leader and big time QB. You can cherry pick a weakness for any QB that has ever approached the NFL draft.
Vince Young and Tim Tebow were big time college winners. Winning in college means almost nothing - being a winner is usually a product of your surroundings plus your contribution. He's a good talent at QB, not a great talent, and while he might be a film junkie, he's a gunslinger on the field. I have no issue with that, but when someone points out winning in college you might as well talk about knitting in the sea.
Or, a less salty way to put it - Watson wasn't a top prospect because he beat 'Bama. He was a top prospect because he was physically gifted, smart, showed some ability to be a pocket passer, had no qualms with being one, and had all that intangible BS, too. Imagine him getting a L in that Bowl Game. Then imagine how much you would care now, or how much you 'should' have cared then.
Davii
03-08-2018, 09:04 PM
Vince Young and Tim Tebow were big time college winners. Winning in college means almost nothing - being a winner is usually a product of your surroundings plus your contribution. He's a good talent at QB, not a great talent, and while he might be a film junkie, he's a gunslinger on the field. I have no issue with that, but when someone points out winning in college you might as well talk about knitting in the sea.
Or, a less salty way to put it - Watson wasn't a top prospect because he beat 'Bama. He was a top prospect because he was physically gifted, smart, showed some ability to be a pocket passer, had no qualms with being one, and had all that intangible BS, too. Imagine him getting a L in that Bowl Game. Then imagine how much you would care now, or how much you 'should' have cared then.
Elway had a losing record in college and never played in a bowl game.
Elway had a losing record in college and never played in a bowl game.
It means so very little.
ShaneFalco
03-08-2018, 09:14 PM
Translation: "NONE, he didnt win a single big game or bowl game, So i am going use a bullshit deflection"
I don't think one can deflect something that doesn't exist, Falco.
Relax big man. Laugh a little.
ShaneFalco
03-08-2018, 09:22 PM
nothing funny about this team anymore.
Coached by a retard, who is too afraid of Talib, so he wanted to trade him.
Will definitely be the softest team in the NFL next year. Rosen being drafted to Denver will just make the team softer.
You went from saying that you weren't opposed to him to not bashing him because you're mad at people not falling in love with Kelly.
Goodness gracious!
Real talk - Why do you think Kelly needed his Uncle to call in a favor for him to be drafted if he was such an obvious talent. This isn't a dig at you or your guy. I just haven't seen an actual explanation that makes sense.
ShaneFalco
03-08-2018, 09:25 PM
draft the snowflake i dont care. Just Lynch 2.0.
When VJ and Elway are gone, we can find a new QB since Denver will be picking top 5 every year on out.
Might as well cut Kelly too.
Too much Kicking and Screaming outta those players.
Elway doesnt want kicking and screaming anymore because VJ might get his feelings hurt.
Davii
03-08-2018, 09:30 PM
Kelly was "kicking and screaming"?
Was this during physical therapy?
MOtorboat
03-08-2018, 09:37 PM
Kelly was "kicking and screaming"?
Was this during physical therapy?
No, it’s when they kicked his ass off of Clemson’s campus.
Simple Jaded
03-08-2018, 09:40 PM
Who wants to make a bet that Swig Kelly pees sitting down?
Simple Jaded
03-08-2018, 09:44 PM
If Rudolph is an option I’d prefer Mike White.
HORSEPOWER 56
03-09-2018, 11:23 AM
If Rudolph is an option I’d prefer BPA at 5 and then just trade back into the mid-late first for Jackson and run the read option.
BPA at five and Rudolph is shit when compared taking a real QB.
Hawgdriver
03-09-2018, 02:04 PM
BPA at five and Rudolph is shit when compared taking a real QB.
Look, if you can't get Rosen, the rest of them are all about the same. Maybe Mayfield is a 1b, but there are still concerns. Rudolph is just as viable as the rest of the second tier, and will be had at a value since there is so much hype about Darnold, Jackson, Mayfield, and Allen. If Rudolph was in 2017 draft you couldn't get him beyond pick 12.
None of them, even Rosen, is a 'sure thing' type QB like Luck or Manning. So you are playing percentages. It makes no sense to bet your stack hoping to hit an inside straight. That's what going all in on one of these QBs at 5 is doing. All the information we have so far tells us that there is no consensus among the top QBs as to who will most likely become an elite NFL QB. Yet the Broncos need an elite QB. So bet like you are holding pocket kings--adding maximum talent to the roster while placing value bets on your QBF.
I believe it is quite irrelevant. He's referring specifically to Chad Kelly and Ole Miss beating Alabama.
Here are the quarterbacks to beat Alabama in the last five years:
Kelly
J.T. Barrett
Johnny Manziel
Jarred Stitham
Deshaun Watson
I do not see this accomplishment as being relevant to NFL success based on historical instances.
If Kelly and Watson turn into a ballers, this post will come back to haunt you.
Look, if you can't get Rosen, the rest of them are all about the same. Maybe Mayfield is a 1b, but there are still concerns. Rudolph is just as viable as the rest of the second tier, and will be had at a value since there is so much hype about Darnold, Jackson, Mayfield, and Allen. If Rudolph was in 2017 draft you couldn't get him beyond pick 12.
None of them, even Rosen, is a 'sure thing' type QB like Luck or Manning. So you are playing percentages. It makes no sense to bet your stack hoping to hit an inside straight. That's what going all in on one of these QBs at 5 is doing. All the information we have so far tells us that there is no consensus among the top QBs as to who will most likely become an elite NFL QB. Yet the Broncos need an elite QB. So bet like you are holding pocket kings--adding maximum talent to the roster while placing value bets on your QBF.
I don't like Darnold, but he's the better prospect than Rudolph. I think Mayfield's the better prospect than Rudolph, too. I don't care what he would have been in prior drafts; two seasons ago they said Brock would have been a first rounder. That simply means the class is weaker and doesn't mean much about the guy's potential.
None of them are sure things, but I'd rather not take an anonymous tackle and what will likely be QB fodder than taking an actual shot. This is just kicking the can down the road, because if we suck next year it's just another go around the QB carousal, and if we don't, then we're still banking on a guy not good enough to be a first rounder coming to fruition.
MOtorboat
03-09-2018, 04:21 PM
If Kelly and Watson turn into a ballers, this post will come back to haunt you.
No it won’t.
No it won’t.
I have already established that it will.
Better luck next time.
Simple Jaded
03-17-2018, 10:41 AM
Jets love Rosen.
aberdien
03-17-2018, 10:56 AM
Sorry for your loss, King. Looks like Rosen will be gone, and we aren't trading up.
JFE is stylin all over King this offseason.
JFE is stylin all over King this offseason.
Take out the word King. Then put in the word Broncos. Then you'll be accurate.
Take out the word King. Then put in the word Broncos. Then you'll be accurate.
Woof!
Davii
12-12-2018, 07:07 PM
Woof!
We have a few people from this draft that have had more impact this season than Josh Rosen has. So far Elway looks smart for taking Chubb.
Buff's comment is still accurate
We have a few people from this draft that have had more impact this season than Josh Rosen has. So far Elway looks smart for taking Chubb.
Buff's comment is still accurate
I don't care about so far. I think big picture.
And not really. Because almost every single move he made that I called out has failed.
Heathen moderator!
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-12-2018, 07:58 PM
Right now Bradley Chubb is Godzilla and Josh Rosen is a Toyota Prius.
I remember all the SB's a pass rusher won...
I won't get into the shortsighted arguments. Deaf ears and all.
The point of the woof was an overlook of Buff's post, which was JFE is stylin all over King this offseason.
We swapped Talib for Veldheer, failure on both counts. That's two. I could go onto more. Like, I don't know, Keenum. That's three. Etc. :beer:
aberdien
12-12-2018, 08:10 PM
VJ would have still been our coach so it's not like it would've mattered.
Davii
12-12-2018, 08:54 PM
I remember all the SB's a pass rusher won...
I won't get into the shortsighted arguments. Deaf ears and all.
The point of the woof was an overlook of Buff's post, which was JFE is stylin all over King this offseason.
We swapped Talib for Veldheer, failure on both counts. That's two. I could go onto more. Like, I don't know, Keenum. That's three. Etc. :beer:
I can think of a pretty recent SB with a pass rusher MVP,
I also didn't realize every qb taken in the first round won SB's.
IF Rosen wins a SB you'll have a point. Chances are MUCH better he'll never even play in one.
Also, your repeated insistence that we "swapped Talib for Veldheer" is just as wrong now as every other time you've said it.
You say this because of the money, so you could say he was swapped for our entire draft class.
The reality is he was moved to save money as Elway thought the position was solid without him and didn't want to lose a younger Roby.
Bad call, true, but not a Veldheer swap. No such trade took place.
I can think of a pretty recent SB with a pass rusher MVP,
I also didn't realize every qb taken in the first round won SB's.
IF Rosen wins a SB you'll have a point. Chances are MUCH better he'll never even play in one.
Also, your repeated insistence that we "swapped Talib for Veldheer" is just as wrong now as every other time you've said it.
You say this because of the money, so you could say he was swapped for our entire draft class.
The reality is he was moved to save money as Elway thought the position was solid without him and didn't want to lose a younger Roby.
Bad call, true, but not a Veldheer swap. No such trade took place.
No one player wins a SB, but QB's come the closest. But I'm sure that Chubb can carry a team to the postseason and contention just like a QB can.
You're just arguing to argue and missed the point of what I quoted Buff for, Davii.
Regarding Veldheer, their contracts were largely the same. I'm not wrong - you're just stubborn. We couldn't have taken on Veldheer without getting rid of Talib. And for the record, the Talib for Veldheer conversation was one I went back and forth with Coach because that's what the narrative was: we're getting rid of a position from the secondary to get someone onto the line.
VJ would have still been our coach so it's not like it would've mattered.
The Rams got a young stud, had a bad coach, replaced him.
I mean, you just run it.
Rosen is a douche bag.
Chubb is a grown ass man.
Rosen is a douche bag.
Chubb is a grown ass man.
Again, a review of the offseason.
You're a douchebag. But you're my guy. I claim you.
Again, a review of the offseason.
You're a douchebag. But you're my guy. I claim you.
I don't know what this means, but lets spoon?
I don't know what this means, but lets spoon?
Most importantly, regarding spooning, yes.
Regarding my post - it's like yeah, we're douchebags, but we are one another's douchebags.
Most importantly, regarding spooning, yes.
Regarding my post - it's like yeah, we're douchebags, but we are one another's douchebags.
Oh yeah, that goes without saying.
Hawgdriver
12-12-2018, 11:21 PM
Right now Bradley Chubb is Godzilla and Josh Rosen is a Toyota Prius.
Yeah, no question...but it's a car race after all.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-12-2018, 11:28 PM
Yeah, no question...but it's a car race after all.
Indeed
Elevation inc
12-13-2018, 09:42 AM
Thank god, we didn't draft Rosen or Darnold. Allen actually to me isn't playing that bad considering his top weapons are McKenzie and foster right now, and he has zero OL to work behind.....Rosen and Darnold don't have excuses, they are just playing horribly right now. I said it before the draft only guy I wanted was Mayfield because of his leadership combination with his skill set...We scored with Chubb thank god, takes the sting of not going for Mayfield away a bit...
BigDaddyBronco
12-13-2018, 12:56 PM
We probably never had a shot at Mayfield. The Browns were sold on him. Darnold, maybe if we were willing to pay the price to move up to the Giants slot. Rosen and Allen were the two likely QB's we could have had. Allen was intriguing, but he needs lots of work to be a pro level quality passer (not the arm obviously, but reading defenses, mechanics, etc.). If he continues to run like he is, he might not survive to get there. Still, might turn out to be the right move for the Bills 3 years from now. I wouldn't hold my breath for Rosen. Still can't judge him completely after his rookie season, but I don't think he will pan out.
TXBRONC
12-13-2018, 03:07 PM
We probably never had a shot at Mayfield. The Browns were sold on him. Darnold, maybe if we were willing to pay the price to move up to the Giants slot. Rosen and Allen were the two likely QB's we could have had. Allen was intriguing, but he needs lots of work to be a pro level quality passer (not the arm obviously, but reading defenses, mechanics, etc.). If he continues to run like he is, he might not survive to get there. Still, might turn out to be the right move for the Bills 3 years from now. I wouldn't hold my breath for Rosen. Still can't judge him completely after his rookie season, but I don't think he will pan out.
Like the Browns and Jets I think the Giants were intent on staying at so that there was no chance of losing out Barkley.
BigDaddyBronco
12-13-2018, 03:58 PM
Like the Browns and Jets I think the Giants were intent on staying at so that there was no chance of losing out Barkley.
Probably, 3 1sts might have swayed them, but that is too much to spend unless it's a sure thing QB.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25518645/nfl-rookie-quarterback-progress-reports-2018-draft-picks-shown-far
Read the part about Rosen. Two OC's and losing all five offensive line starters.
But, again, the point was "JFE Elway styling all over King87," equals JFE is styling all over the Broncos.
The Chubb pick was great. But odds are, we had shots to move up for one of those QB's, and had shots at Allen and Rosen. We mulliganed away the entire year by signing Keenum. And there were plenty of other roster move blunders. There are a lot of moving bits and pieces to it all.
Davii
12-13-2018, 06:25 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25518645/nfl-rookie-quarterback-progress-reports-2018-draft-picks-shown-far
Read the part about Rosen. Two OC's and losing all five offensive line starters.
But, again, the point was "JFE Elway styling all over King87," equals JFE is styling all over the Broncos.
The Chubb pick was great. But odds are, we had shots to move up for one of those QB's, and had shots at Allen and Rosen. We mulliganed away the entire year by signing Keenum. And there were plenty of other roster move blunders. There are a lot of moving bits and pieces to it all.
I agree with BDB in that the only realistic shots we had were Allen and Rosen, and so far the only thing they've shown is I'd rather have Chubb.
BroncoJoe
12-13-2018, 07:37 PM
I agree with BDB in that the only realistic shots we had were Allen and Rosen, and so far the only thing they've shown is I'd rather have Chubb.
Chubb has already shown he could be a generational player. Rosen? Eh.
JPPT1974
12-14-2018, 11:05 PM
I may not had liked the guy for him being co*ky and arrogant. But now hopefully he will mature and humble there as a leader. Verdict however is still out.
SmilinAssasSin27
12-16-2018, 10:24 PM
Allen is trash.
Elevation inc
12-18-2018, 03:53 AM
Rosen has zero passion for the game and it shows. So glad we didn't pick him.....
Elevation inc
12-18-2018, 03:57 AM
Allen is trash.
Raw yes, trash? Not so sure. He has no OL at all, McCoy has been banged up all year, they have had no running game outside of him Allen and McCoy as a result of injuries. he had fat Benjamin as his go to for most the year who sucked. His top WR is now some unknown rookie WR. He is fighting harder than Rosen is and it shows the passion he has for the game. As he develops and cleans his game up and his supporting cast improves it will get better. I didn't want any Qb but Mayfield last year. But I Have to admit Allen is shown some moxy we could use on our team. rosen, he is showing he is the next blaine gabbert.....
MOtorboat
12-18-2018, 04:22 AM
Rosen has zero passion for the game and it shows. So glad we didn't pick him.....
Ah, yes...”passion.”
That characteristic that we, as fans, judge by how much one player yells and screams on camera.
DenBronx
12-18-2018, 10:39 AM
Rosen has zero passion for the game and it shows. So glad we didn't pick him.....
Same. He is very Cutler-esc. There is just something off with him. He is playing the worst out of all of the first rounders correct?
BroncoJoe
12-18-2018, 10:45 AM
Ah, yes...”passion.”
That characteristic that we, as fans, judge by how much one player yells and screams on camera.
I guess I need to brush up on the new "MO" definition of passion.
MOtorboat
12-18-2018, 12:07 PM
I guess I need to brush up on the new "MO" definition of passion.
It’s impossible to measure a player’s passion from watching on TV. There’s no way to tell whether the guy who yells and screams has more passion than the guy who doesn’t.
BroncoJoe
12-18-2018, 12:18 PM
It’s impossible to measure a player’s passion from watching on TV. There’s no way to tell whether the guy who yells and screams has more passion than the guy who doesn’t.
Passion is far more than yelling and screaming.
Cutler = 0% passion
Elway = 100% passion
Elway didn't yell and scream. At least in the way you try to describe it.
MOtorboat
12-18-2018, 12:18 PM
Passion is far more than yelling and screaming.
Cutler = 0% passion
Elway = 100% passion
Elway didn't yell and scream. At least in the way you try to describe it.
That’s my point.
BroncoJoe
12-18-2018, 12:20 PM
That’s my point.
Uh, OK? That's not what you continue to type out when someone references passion.
MOtorboat
12-18-2018, 12:22 PM
Uh, OK? That's not what you continue to type out when someone references passion.
What? That’s exactly what I said. You can’t tell a player’s passion from how much they yell and scream.
BroncoJoe
12-18-2018, 12:26 PM
What? That’s exactly what I said. You can’t tell a player’s passion from how much they yell and scream.
We're talking in circles. Do you believe Josh Rosen is passionate about the game?
MOtorboat
12-18-2018, 12:26 PM
We're talking in circles. Do you believe Josh Rosen is passionate about the game?
I don’t know.
Edit: Because it is impossible to tell on television. It took us many years and many press conferences to tell that Jay Cutler had no passion.
BroncoJoe
12-18-2018, 12:31 PM
I don’t know.
Edit: Because it is impossible to tell on television. It took us many years and many press conferences to tell that Jay Cutler had no passion.
I think the opposite of the above is true. I think most people knew from the start Cutler had no passion. He was aloof and irritated from the beginning.
MOtorboat
12-18-2018, 12:35 PM
I think the opposite of the above is true. I think most people knew from the start Cutler had no passion. He was aloof and irritated from the beginning.
But irritation at players around you can also be passion. In Cutler’s case it wasn’t, but how was there any way to know until about year four or five? Remember that San Diego game where he and Rivers were jawing and everyone thought that was awesome because of how much passion he was showing?
BroncoJoe
12-18-2018, 12:39 PM
But irritation at players around you can also be passion. In Cutler’s case it wasn’t, but how was there any way to know until about year four or five? Remember that San Diego game where he and Rivers were jawing and everyone thought that was awesome because of how much passion he was showing?
Yes, I remember. He had a passion to jaw with Rivers. Once in four or five years.
Nothing else about him - be it here or Chicago - lent any reason to believe he was passionate.
Eli Manning went from being described as morose to a quiet leader. Nothing changed...
BroncoJoe
12-18-2018, 12:44 PM
Passion doesn't necessarily reflect a physical reaction. You can just "tell" when someone has it.
BigDaddyBronco
12-18-2018, 01:21 PM
I think with any of these rookies, you can't tell much until about 3 years in. Everybody thought Kaepernick was going to be something after his first year, but people got film on him and he had a coaching change and that was that. Elway and Manning looked like shit their first year, but really started blowing up their second year. Reserve judgement until year three.
My prediction is that Mayfield is a quality starter for years, one of the other 4 drafted in the first round is as well (don't know which one), one of the other 4 has a career shortened by injury, one of the other 4 is a career back-up, and the last of the 4 is a bust.
MOtorboat
12-18-2018, 02:35 PM
I think with any of these rookies, you can't tell much until about 3 years in. Everybody thought Kaepernick was going to be something after his first year, but people got film on him and he had a coaching change and that was that. Elway and Manning looked like shit their first year, but really started blowing up their second year. Reserve judgement until year three.
My prediction is that Mayfield is a quality starter for years, one of the other 4 drafted in the first round is as well (don't know which one), one of the other 4 has a career shortened by injury, one of the other 4 is a career back-up, and the last of the 4 is a bust.
I agree fully with the first paragraph.
BroncoJoe
12-18-2018, 02:42 PM
I agree fully with the first paragraph.
Odds are in BDB's favor...
Why do you hate Mayfield so much?
MOtorboat
12-18-2018, 02:57 PM
Odds are in BDB's favor...
Why do you hate Mayfield so much?
I just disagree with people that he’s going to be really good for a really long time. And I wouldn’t have taken him with a top 10 pick.
Simple Jaded
12-18-2018, 09:26 PM
Rosen has zero passion for the game and it shows. So glad we didn't pick him.....
Fwiw he was shown on camera throwing his helmet after he threw a Pick 6, looked pretty passionate.
If you’re looking for a Tebow-type cheerleader I’ll pass on that, it’s corny bullshit that doesn’t fly in the NFL.
Simple Jaded
12-18-2018, 09:29 PM
Passion doesn't necessarily reflect a physical reaction. You can just "tell" when someone has it.
How many Rosen games have you watched?
Hawgdriver
12-18-2018, 09:37 PM
You know who's passionate? Aaron Rodgers. Physically demonstrative? Not often.
I would take him in a New York minute and be happy about it.
Elevation inc
12-19-2018, 02:39 AM
Fwiw he was shown on camera throwing his helmet after he threw a Pick 6, looked pretty passionate.
If you’re looking for a Tebow-type cheerleader I’ll pass on that, it’s corny bullshit that doesn’t fly in the NFL.
No I'm looking for Baker Mayfield passion, which Josh Allen seems to have as well. Rosen and Darnold do not. I wanted nothing to do with Josh Allen, but he has surprised me so far with his commitment to playing hard for a crap team with no surrounding talent, I think he will be solid for buffalo going forward. Rosen has offensive talent and cant get the ball to them, Darnold as well. Both of them I don't think will have long careers as starters in this league. Well maybe Blake Bortles skills but that's about it. Its early so there is a chance a bob Cooter type OC could come in and change their game, but I just don't buy it. Lamar Jackson has also surprised me, but teams are going to figure out his ground game soon and he is going to have develop this off-season as a passer to stick or he is also going to end up like RG3.
Simple Jaded
12-19-2018, 09:09 PM
No I'm looking for Baker Mayfield passion, which Josh Allen seems to have as well. Rosen and Darnold do not. I wanted nothing to do with Josh Allen, but he has surprised me so far with his commitment to playing hard for a crap team with no surrounding talent, I think he will be solid for buffalo going forward. Rosen has offensive talent and cant get the ball to them, Darnold as well. Both of them I don't think will have long careers as starters in this league. Well maybe Blake Bortles skills but that's about it. Its early so there is a chance a bob Cooter type OC could come in and change their game, but I just don't buy it. Lamar Jackson has also surprised me, but teams are going to figure out his ground game soon and he is going to have develop this off-season as a passer to stick or he is also going to end up like RG3.
You’re not paying any attention to Rosen and Darnold, don’t box score scout.
Darnold's out there playing his heart out on a shit team. Man, we are so narrative driven for what we want.
Simple Jaded
12-19-2018, 09:11 PM
Darnold's out there playing his heart out on a shit team. Man, we are so narrative driven for what we want.
You can watch one game and see why they drafted Darnold so high.
You can watch one game and see why they drafted Darnold so high.
His ability to stand in the pocket, take abuse, and throw a 50 yard bomb on a rope with high accuracy?
Yeah, he's a mighty fine prospect.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
12-19-2018, 09:38 PM
I’d love to have Darnold.
Elevation inc
12-20-2018, 09:41 AM
You’re not paying any attention to Rosen and Darnold, don’t box score scout.
Actually I am. Rosen has poor attitude and a poor ability to read defenses. His skill being touted was accuracy coming out of college, but he always had a knock regarding his attitude. I watched 3 Rosen games and saw the same thing each time. He cant play football very well at all right now, his pocket awareness is shite. This isn't box score reading its simply watching him play. Darnold has had a couple good games, so he has a chance at succeeding, cause he does have a better attitude then rosen, but watching a guy throw a long ball here or there does not a legit Qb make. I said from Day 1 long before the draft that Mayfield would be the best QB, Allen had a top notch skill set but was super raw, and I wouldn't want to select him at 5, and Lamar Jackson was going to surprise people. Before the draft I was against both Darnold and Rosen. I see nothing at all this season to change my mind on that. The fact that Darnold has a NFL skill set and can make some throws does nothing to mean he is the Qb of the future. I will concede for Darnold he has a much better chance than rosen, because of his attitude and work ethic. In fact I'm more willing to admit I was wrong on Allen, as that dude as raw is he is has shown he can play and lead in this league. Rosen and Darnold still have a long way to go and I'm glad we don't have Rosen anywhere near this team.
I will also in closing concede that while I'm not sold on Darnold he has shown flashes, and that's better than anything we currently have in Denver at Qb, which is sad. However as of today ain't a chance in hell I'm trading Chubb for Darnold or Rosen. In fact I like Grier, Lock, Thorson and Haskins in this draft more then Rosen, and they all have their issues as well. Rosen is a tool bag, 2 years from now Arizona will still need a QB, just like we did after the Paxton debacle....
Elevation inc
12-20-2018, 09:45 AM
Darnold's out there playing his heart out on a shit team. Man, we are so narrative driven for what we want.
Maybe some, but I am not. Rosen is a crybaby, whiny little biatch, who is going to fail in this league. I'm willing to concede that Darnold.....its possibly still Early. But what you see now with Rosen is what you going to get. I also have no problem in 2 years if rosen and Darnold are setting the world on Fire admitting I was wrong. I already have admitted my surprise at Allen, who I didn't want because of how raw he is.
FanInAZ
12-20-2018, 10:02 AM
Dear Joe, as well as others who have completely missed the point MO was trying to make,
I believe MO was using a form of communication called sarcasm, in which he was ridiculing a concept by bluntly stating what he views as the implications of what’s being said. I also believe that it was therefore his intention to point out that a lot of people believe that if someone has passion, it will always show by their external behavior. It's apparent to me that he disagrees with this notion, as do I.
DenBronx
12-20-2018, 01:21 PM
I would take him in a New York minute and be happy about it.
Who? Rogers or Rosen?
Who? Rogers or Rosen?
Yes.
DenBronx
12-23-2018, 02:52 PM
Yes.
Give it up, Rosen is trash
Give it up, Rosen is trash
You were a Casesucker this offseason.
Simple Jaded
12-25-2018, 12:24 AM
Rumor is Mike McCarthy to Arizona.
Simple Jaded
12-25-2018, 12:25 AM
You were a Casesucker this offseason.
:gasp:
Oh dayum, shots fired.
:gasp:
Oh dayum, shots fired.
We've been betrayed, Jaded.
Simple Jaded
12-25-2018, 02:39 AM
We've been betrayed, Jaded.
We will carry the burden for them all but this is necessary.
SmilinAssasSin27
01-01-2019, 12:40 PM
Raw yes, trash? Not so sure. He has no OL at all, McCoy has been banged up all year, they have had no running game outside of him Allen and McCoy as a result of injuries. he had fat Benjamin as his go to for most the year who sucked. His top WR is now some unknown rookie WR. He is fighting harder than Rosen is and it shows the passion he has for the game. As he develops and cleans his game up and his supporting cast improves it will get better. I didn't want any Qb but Mayfield last year. But I Have to admit Allen is shown some moxy we could use on our team. rosen, he is showing he is the next blaine gabbert.....
Big picture. Hasn't completed 53% since high school...if even then. Waaaay at overhthrows wipe open receivers on 10 yard outs consistently. Once his legs go, he's barely average.
Elevation inc
01-02-2019, 11:57 AM
Big picture. Hasn't completed 53% since high school...if even then. Waaaay at overhthrows wipe open receivers on 10 yard outs consistently. Once his legs go, he's barely average.
But just won offensive player of the week for the AFC with buffalo with 5 Td's 3 passing 2 rushing against a solid Miami Defense, mind you with one of the worst OL's in the league.....The dude has a it factor Rosen will never have....yes he has some things to clean up which I already mentioned in my post you quoted with regards to mechanics, but he has grit and Moxy and is now showing NFL talent and leadership to boot in year 1. I already alluded to the fact that I always only wanted Mayfield and his performance has justified why, I am alluding to Allen's performance cause I wanted nothing to do with him, but am admitting I may have been off base about him. The player I wont back down on is Rosen and how he will fizzle out. Yet if he doesn't I will be here admitting I was wrong...
Northman
01-02-2019, 12:00 PM
Big picture. Hasn't completed 53% since high school...if even then. Waaaay at overhthrows wipe open receivers on 10 yard outs consistently. Once his legs go, he's barely average.
Yea, Allen is not all he is cracked up to be and im glad we passed but he does have a lot of heart ill give him that.
Elevation inc
01-02-2019, 12:13 PM
Yea, Allen is not all he is cracked up to be and im glad we passed but he does have a lot of heart ill give him that.
Yeah I was glad we passed as well, but credit where credit is due to the guy. I personally cant say the same for Darnold or Rosen. They both get new staffs next year though so we will see.
Northman
01-02-2019, 12:17 PM
Yeah I was glad we passed as well, but credit where credit is due to the guy. I personally cant say the same for Darnold or Rosen. They both get new staffs next year though so we will see.
I think both Darnold and Rosen showed promise. Rosen was put into a really bad situation compared to Mayfield, Allen, and Darnold whom i felt had better squads around them. But 3 years is usually the time given for new QB's to hit their stride so we shall see how it plays out.
I think both Darnold and Rosen showed promise. Rosen was put into a really bad situation compared to Mayfield, Allen, and Darnold whom i felt had better squads around them. But 3 years is usually the time given for new QB's to hit their stride so we shall see how it plays out.
Nine Ol starting combinations. Lost all his starters throughout the year. Two OCs in his rookie year.
I'd still love to have the kid in Denver.
Elevation inc
01-02-2019, 04:27 PM
Nine Ol starting combinations. Lost all his starters throughout the year. Two OCs in his rookie year.
I'd still love to have the kid in Denver.
you cant use OL combinations as a reason for Rosen's poor play then get mad when people use our OL issues as an assist for why Keenum played bad :D The answer for both OL's is probably somewhere in the middle. In fact the OC in Arizona may have done the same thing with 5-7 step drops using a OL not suited for it much like Musgrave did. That certainly could have been a issue for the cardinals the same it was in Denver. It was consistently clear that our OT couldn't push wide elite edge rushers without holding often....so why we kept asking Keenum to drop 30-40 times that way using OT's that weren't that great at pushing edge defenders outside was mind boggling.
you cant use OL combinations as a reason for Rosen's poor play then get mad when people use our OL issues as an assist for why Keenum played bad :D The answer for both OL's is probably somewhere in the middle. In fact the OC in Arizona may have done the same thing with 5-7 step drops using a OL not suited for it much like Musgrave did. That certainly could have been a issue for the cardinals the same it was in Denver. It was consistently clear that our OT couldn't push wide elite edge rushers without holding often....so why we kept asking Keenum to drop 30-40 times that way using OT's that weren't that great at pushing edge defenders outside was mind boggling.
Actually I can. One guy is a rookie QB. The other guy is ten years deep. One guy lost his ENTIRE line and the other guy had an average line. It's not remotely the same thing. One guy had a really bad papercut and the other guy had an arm amputated.
One guy was in a fender bender. The other dude was in a car that got hit by a mack truck...that was on fire... :D
Elevation inc
01-02-2019, 04:49 PM
Actually I can. One guy is a rookie QB. The other guy is ten years deep. One guy lost his ENTIRE line and the other guy had an average line. It's not remotely the same thing. One guy had a really bad papercut and the other guy had an arm amputated.
One guy was in a fender bender. The other dude was in a car that got hit by a mack truck...that was on fire... :D
Um Rosen sucks leave me alone...lol
Um Rosen sucks leave me alone...lol
You started it! :beer:
SmilinAssasSin27
01-02-2019, 06:01 PM
But just won offensive player of the week for the AFC with buffalo with 5 Td's 3 passing 2 rushing against a solid Miami Defense, mind you with one of the worst OL's in the league.....The dude has a it factor Rosen will never have....yes he has some things to clean up which I already mentioned in my post you quoted with regards to mechanics, but he has grit and Moxy and is now showing NFL talent and leadership to boot in year 1. I already alluded to the fact that I always only wanted Mayfield and his performance has justified why, I am alluding to Allen's performance cause I wanted nothing to do with him, but am admitting I may have been off base about him. The player I wont back down on is Rosen and how he will fizzle out. Yet if he doesn't I will be here admitting I was wrong...
It is very hard to improve accuracy enough to make him worth a top 10 pick. He's always shown the tools. He just doesn't use em right
Simple Jaded
01-02-2019, 06:02 PM
I still can’t believe that POS wore that hat, move to Canada if you don’t like it.
Simple Jaded
01-07-2019, 09:38 PM
I hope Arizona drafts Haskins and then trades Bust Rosen and Patrick Peterson to Denver.
Elevation inc
01-09-2019, 01:46 PM
I hope Arizona drafts Haskins and then trades Bust Rosen and Patrick Peterson to Denver.
Damn you and you stir the pot comments lol....We don't Rosen or Flacco. Wentz and Foles is a different story but not those first 2 :cool::D
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