2018 NFL Senior Bowl Thread

[Ziggy]

There's lots of news coming out of the Senior Bowl. I expect that at least 3 of the players there will end up in the blue and orange. Elway loves to draft guys he's familiar with. Why not have a separate thread for it? Here's some of the news.

1. Josh Allen showed off a strong arm....that was completely inaccurate.
2. Mayfield was clearly the best QB of the day.
3. Will Hernandez moved to the north team. He also had a great day. Weighed in at 340 as well.

[Ziggy]

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“They say you like to hit, **** let’s go get it.”

Broncos DL coach Bill Kollar is the damn GOAT.

I love me some Bill Kollar.

[Ziggy]

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TEs Adam Breneman and Dallas Goedert are out of the Senior Bowl, likely due to injury.

That's a shame for Goedert. He had a chance to have an OJ Howard type of pre-draft rise. Then again, if he's there in the second round the Broncos would be crazy to pass on him.

[chazoe60]

There's lots of news coming out of the Senior Bowl. I expect that at least 3 of the players there will end up in the blue and orange. Elway loves to draft guys he's familiar with. Why not have a separate thread for it? Here's some of the news.

1. Josh Allen showed off a strong arm....that was completely inaccurate.
2. Mayfield was clearly the best QB of the day.
3. Will Hernandez moved to the north team. He also had a great day. Weighed in at 340 as well.

Really don't want any part of Josh Allen. Inaccuracy is the kiss of death in my opinion. Mayfield is my guy for right now. Rosen or Darnold if they fall but I don't see it happening.

[underrated29]

Hernandez- my sig agrees with that tweeter

[Poet]

Really don't want any part of Josh Allen. Inaccuracy is the kiss of death in my opinion. Mayfield is my guy for right now. Rosen or Darnold if they fall but I don't see it happening.

If you're inaccurate, you better be Cam ******* Newton to make up for it.

Yeesh.

[Hawgdriver]

Really don't want any part of Josh Allen. Inaccuracy is the kiss of death in my opinion. Mayfield is my guy for right now. Rosen or Darnold if they fall but I don't see it happening.

He's a leader of men though...

[Northman]

There's lots of news coming out of the Senior Bowl. I expect that at least 3 of the players there will end up in the blue and orange. Elway loves to draft guys he's familiar with. Why not have a separate thread for it? Here's some of the news.

1. Josh Allen showed off a strong arm....that was completely inaccurate.


Being ranked 82nd in completion percentage among all other college QB's this doesnt shock me at all.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Mayfield’s official numbers (for those who care):
Height: 6’, 3/8”
Weight: 216 lbs
Hand size: 9 1/2”

So he’s just a hair over 6’ tall.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Mayfield’s official numbers (for those who care):
Height: 6’, 3/8”
Weight: 216 lbs
Hand size: 9 1/2”

So he’s just a hair over 6’ tall.

216 is pretty solid for that height

[Ziggy]

Mayfield’s official numbers (for those who care):
Height: 6’, 3/8”
Weight: 216 lbs
Hand size: 9 1/2”

So he’s just a hair over 6’ tall.

So basically the same size as Drew Brees, (just a shade taller) which is who I think he compares to the most. 9 1/2 inch hands are decent. If he convinces Elway this week that he has a high football IQ and can stay out of trouble off of the field, I think the Broncos take him at 5 and don't look back.

[dogfish]

Being ranked 82nd in completion percentage among all other college QB's this doesnt shock me at all.

i, for one, was shocked!

[dogfish]

So basically the same size as Drew Brees, (just a shade taller) which is who I think he compares to the most. 9 1/2 inch hands are decent. If he convinces Elway this week that he has a high football IQ and can stay out of trouble off of the field, I think the Broncos take him at 5 and don't look back.

can we get hernandez in the 2nd?

[CoachChaz]

can we get hernandez in the 2nd?

Seems to be climbing draft boards. Might not be much of a shot after Senior Bowl and combine

[G_Money]

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Really cool sight — Josh Allen hit Michael Gallup up the right sideline for a 35-yard TD in 1-on-1, and Baker Mayfield came over to celebrate with him. Even in one week together, team bonds form.

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That's not team bonds, it's just Mayfield being Mayfield.

[G_Money]

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Hernandez loves to block through the echo of the whistle - he is causing visible frustration with this DT group. #76 is just a mean dude. And I love it.

[dogfish]

notes from the senior bowl (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/senior-bowl-2018-observations-from-the-first-two-practices-in-mobile-alabama/)

of interest to me. . .


Josh Allen started with a bad overthrow against air as the practice began, and during one-on-one drills, a few of his passes were behind and low, particularly one on a dig route to Colorado State wideout Michael Gallup. However, it wasn't a wildly erratic day for the Wyoming quarterback. Many of his accurate passes were dropped, as it appeared the sun cutting across the field was a problem for some receivers at the outset of the practice, most namely DaeSean Hamilton of Penn State and Iowa State's Allen Lazard.



UTEP guard Will Hernandez dominated in one-on-one drills. It didn't matter who he faced. He's wide, strong, and has deceptive movement skills to drive back the opposition. He certainly did that on Tuesday.

it's worth noting that hernandez's college coach, sean kugler, is now our O-line coach. . . draftniks, is this kid really that far behind nelson?

[Ziggy]

can we get hernandez in the 2nd?

Not unless he gets pulled over with weed in the car between now and the draft. :D

[Ziggy]

notes from the senior bowl (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/senior-bowl-2018-observations-from-the-first-two-practices-in-mobile-alabama/)

of interest to me. . .





it's worth noting that hernandez's college coach, sean kugler, is now our O-line coach. . . draftniks, is this kid really that far behind nelson?

Yes. He moves very well for a guy that goes 340. He also might be close to Nelson in the run blocking department, but he's miles behind Nelson in the pass blocking department. Hernandez still has pro bowl ability though.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Not unless he gets pulled over with weed in the car between now and the draft. :D

Some of you Coloradans need to make that shit happen...

[Ziggy]

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Baker Mayfield's arm strength is really popping so far. Ball carries zip all the way to his targets. Nose of the ball never dips. Especially notable when throwing out routes. #SeniorBowl



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So Oklahoma State WR James Washington, who is under 5-11, has arms (33 7/8") about as long as PSU TE Mike Gesicki (34") who is north of 6-foot-5. No wonder he played so big on 50-50 balls.

Washington was one of the more underrated prospects before senior bowl week. He's getting lots of love now.



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Little #SeniorBowl scuttlebutt. Have heard for about a month now that #Saints coach Sean Payton is squarely in the camp of Baker Mayfield believers. That’s not going away.


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From North practice, courtesy @ZebraTechnology - tracking players this week:
Fastest Throw = Josh Allen – 66.14 MPH
Longest Throw = Tanner Lee – 54.7 yards
Highest Rotations Per Minute = Luke Falk 721.6 RPM
Most Throws = Luke Falk 112 throws

[dogfish]

comments from bucky brooks. . .


Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield continues to show people that when it comes to timing, touch and anticipation, he has all the stuff. That's where he separates himself from other QBs. He hit a couple skinny posts where he threw the ball well before the receiver broke and the pass was right on the money.


He was the last Senior Bowl participant to arrive here in Mobile, getting into town on Tuesday afternoon before heading over to practice, and he showed once again that he's a gamer. His competitiveness shines in settings like this one.

The big thing to watch with Mayfield will continue to be what he does off the field. Will he convince people that he can be the CEO of the program? Interviews with NFL teams will be a big deal for him this week.


and this one's from daniel jeremiah. . .


Will Hernandez, the guard from UTEP, had a really good day. He's a strong, physical guy who's built for the run game, and that's where he excels. I was pleasantly surprised with how well he held up in pass protection, though. He's in the mix to be a Day 2 pick (Rounds 2-3) and he certainly didn't hurt himself on Tuesday. -- Daniel Jeremiah

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000909856/article/baker-mayfield-shines-brightest-on-senior-bowl-day-1

[Poet]

I still don't want him, but I repudiate my former statement that he lacks talents.

[dogfish]

I still don't want him, but I repudiate my former statement that he lacks talents.

as far as i can see, the only area where he lacks talent is in the tallness department. . .

[Poet]

as far as i can see, the only area where he lacks talent is in the tallness department. . .

It matters, but it's not a killer.

**** it, if they're comfortable with him as being the guy, we ride. I just don't want a listless and timid QB.

[CoachChaz]

Yes. He moves very well for a guy that goes 340. He also might be close to Nelson in the run blocking department, but he's miles behind Nelson in the pass blocking department. Hernandez still has pro bowl ability though.

Miles? I know the competition is different, but the only guard in NCAA to allow less QB pressures than Nelson in 2017 was Hernandez.

[Rick]

https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/956228021945618437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2018%2F01% 2Fjosh-allen-wyoming-senior-bowl-throw-video-miss-workout-accuracy-browns-nfl-draft%2F

Ouch.

[dogfish]

https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/956228021945618437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2018%2F01% 2Fjosh-allen-wyoming-senior-bowl-throw-video-miss-workout-accuracy-browns-nfl-draft%2F

Ouch.

that shit is hilarious. . . josh allen is going to get somebody fired. . .

[chazoe60]

https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/956228021945618437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2018%2F01% 2Fjosh-allen-wyoming-senior-bowl-throw-video-miss-workout-accuracy-browns-nfl-draft%2F

Ouch.
No thank you.

[chazoe60]

Mayfield was on the money though.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/956228021945618437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2018%2F01% 2Fjosh-allen-wyoming-senior-bowl-throw-video-miss-workout-accuracy-browns-nfl-draft%2F

Ouch.

Watch what he did with his front left foot when he plants and throws. That’s why the ball sailed.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Mayfield was on the money though.

Yes he was, because his mechanics were perfect

[broncofaninfla]

So basically the same size as Drew Brees, (just a shade taller) which is who I think he compares to the most. 9 1/2 inch hands are decent. If he convinces Elway this week that he has a high football IQ and can stay out of trouble off of the field, I think the Broncos take him at 5 and don't look back.

I've been at the Senior Bowl practice all week. I'm beginning to worry that he won't be there at #5 after what I saw. Mayfield has been the best QB this week IMO. Strong arm, high motor and easily the most accurate QB. Going to read through my notes and provide a report on my non-expert opinion of this week within the next couple of days. That's not to say Allen was bad, he wasn't, just Mayfield has been better in practice. My main knock on Allen is his passes sail too often and he seems to put more effort into throwing the ball hard more than being accurate with it. Allens issues can be fixed though. As it stands right now I can say without question that Mayfield is the most pro ready of the two QB's.

[broncofaninfla]

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Hernandez loves to block through the echo of the whistle - he is causing visible frustration with this DT group. #76 is just a mean dude. And I love it.

Hernandez has EASILY been one of the best players in practice this week. The kid is a STUD and seems like an awesome kid as well. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go in the first round.

[Ziggy]

Looking forward to that report!

[Northman]

Ive been telling people for weeks that Allen is highly inaccurate. lol

[Nomad]

One of the more interesting Senior Bowl's than in the past.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Ive been telling people for weeks that Allen is highly inaccurate. lol

There was a time Elway wasn’t very accurate and sailed a lot of passes. Elway was of course a better prospect who had better mechanics than Allen, but the physical similarities are there, and so is the competitive nature. Elway had a major problem trying to tattoo the ball to people which resulted in the ball sailing. He didn’t fix it until he got into his late 20’s.

[Northman]

There was a time Elway wasn’t very accurate and sailed a lot of passes. Elway was of course a better prospect who had better mechanics than Allen, but the physical similarities are there, and so is the competitive nature. Elway had a major problem trying to tattoo the ball to people which resulted in the ball sailing. He didn’t fix it until he got into his late 20’s.

Please, dont compare Allen to Elway. They are not even close in comparison in terms of talent.

[Poet]

How many short QB's were great?

[MOtorboat]

I've been at the Senior Bowl practice all week. I'm beginning to worry that he won't be there at #5 after what I saw. Mayfield has been the best QB this week IMO. Strong arm, high motor and easily the most accurate QB. Going to read through my notes and provide a report on my non-expert opinion of this week within the next couple of days. That's not to say Allen was bad, he wasn't, just Mayfield has been better in practice. My main knock on Allen is his passes sail too often and he seems to put more effort into throwing the ball hard more than being accurate with it. Allens issues can be fixed though. As it stands right now I can say without question that Mayfield is the most pro ready of the two QB's.

One can only hope.

[chazoe60]

They really are getting that Broncos coaching.

[Nomad]

This WKU QB is doing a good job.

[Nomad]

North team is struggling on offense

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Please, dont compare Allen to Elway. They are not even close in comparison in terms of talent.

Don’t be sensitive North. Athletically they are similar. I’m not saying he’s as good a prospect as Elway. I stand by my statement

[Northman]

Don’t be sensitive North. Athletically they are similar. I’m not saying he’s as good a prospect as Elway. I stand by my statement

But thats just it, as prospects they are worlds apart and for good reason.

[chazoe60]

Josh Allen does not look good

[Nomad]

Josh Allen does not look good

I'm not impressed by either Allen or Mayfield.

[chazoe60]

VJ can't win. :laugh::laugh:

[Nomad]

OBrien is schooling Joseph.

[Northman]

I see the UVA QB has scored a TD pass.

[chazoe60]

I'm not impressed by either Allen or Mayfield.

Mayfield looked fine to me had a couple of drops. My Satelite dropped out for a few plays but from what I saw the majority of his throws were in the right place and on time. Allen can't hit the broad side of a barn and he just holds onto the ball. Allen=PLv2.0

[CoachChaz]

Ballage and Hernandez have been the standouts for the North this far

[chazoe60]

Has an NFL HC ever been fired for how poorly he coached the Senior Bowl.

[chazoe60]

I'm taking Allen off my board. If he fell to the third round, mayube, but probably not. He is not good. He looks just like PL to me.

[chazoe60]

VJ is terrible.

[Denver Native (Carol)]

VJ is terrible.

Which position on the field is he playing? :D

[chazoe60]

Which position on the field is he playing? :D

Leader of men

[CoachChaz]

I'm taking Allen off my board. If he fell to the third round, mayube, but probably not. He is not good. He looks just like PL to me.

Looked really good the last 2 drives

[Simple Jaded]

So who’s Broncos interim HC in second half of ‘18 season?

[Simple Jaded]

I'm taking Allen off my board. If he fell to the third round, mayube, but probably not. He is not good. He looks just like PL to me.

What didn’t you like, the familiarity of actual NFL offense, Andrew Luck-ish athletic ability or the ridiculous arm talent?

I’d rather take my chances on a pro style QB improving accuracy (the notion that it never happens is wrong) than another spread QB improving literally everything else.

[dogfish]

So who’s Broncos interim HC in second half of ‘18 season?

isn't musgrave the likeliest answer?

[dogfish]

lol @ vance and his all-star coaching staff. . . they can't even play an exhibition game without getting curbstomped? i fear it's gonna be another long, ugly year for broncos fans. . . hey, at least we'll have that high draft pick to look forward to!

[Simple Jaded]

isn't musgrave the likeliest answer?

Not if the offense isn’t much, much better.

[dogfish]

Not if the offense isn’t much, much better.

who else they gonna use? i don't trust joe woods to tie his shoes without effing it up. . .

[chazoe60]

What didn’t you like, the familiarity of actual NFL offense, Andrew Luck-ish athletic ability or the ridiculous arm talent?

I’d rather take my chances on a pro style QB improving accuracy (the notion that it never happens is wrong) than another spread QB improving literally everything else.

The can't hit the broad side of a barn accuracy. That's what I don't like. I guess he played better in the 3rd quarter, I didn't watch it. What I saw in the first half was a guy whose accuracy was Tebowesque

[wayninja]

So who’s Broncos interim HC in second half of ‘18 season?

Didn't we fire our usual fill in?

[dogfish]

Didn't we fire our usual fill in?

yes. . . and obviously, experienced coaches like wade phillips, joe D. and greg knapp are all gone. . . and as much as i love bill kollar, he's just not a HC type. . . bottom line, if it comes right down to it, it really won't matter much. . . tab the special teams guy, or reggie herring, or pick a name from a hat. . . we won't be in the running to win anything, and whoever it is surely won't get any consideration for the permanent gig. . . just pick whoever and run 'em out there for the pressers-- they likely can't suck worse than vance when it comes to actually leading the men. . .

[chazoe60]

Jaded is right, let's take Josh Allen who was second team all mountain West because he's tall and knows how to take a snap from under center. :rolleyes:

[MOtorboat]

Jaded is right, let's take Josh Allen who was second team all mountain West because he's tall and knows how to take a snap from under center. :rolleyes:

Or we can take blockhead Mayfield and win by yelling and screaming!

[Northman]

Jaded is right, let's take Josh Allen who was second team all mountain West because he's tall and knows how to take a snap from under center. :rolleyes:

Lmao spot on.

[turftoad]

What didn’t you like, the familiarity of actual NFL offense, Andrew Luck-ish athletic ability or the ridiculous arm talent?

I’d rather take my chances on a pro style QB improving accuracy (the notion that it never happens is wrong) than another spread QB improving literally everything else.
Sounds like we already have this guy in Paxton Lynch.

[Rick]

It's puzzling how the North lost so bad after a great week of practice.

[broncofaninfla]

Ok, I’dhope to post this earlier but life’s been busy. Mobile is a little over 3 hrsfrom my house so I try and make it every year, this year however was the firsttime I was able to catch every practice by both squads. The way it’s structuredit’s impossible to study each player so my buddy and I split up and sharednotes. Also brought my 13 year old daughter this year which resulted in myfirst ever autograph from John Elway. With that said, he are my observationsfrom the past week of practice, talking to scouts and coaches and meeting theplayers throughout the week.

QB’s- I went expecting to see Josh Allen dominatepractice but left feeling Baker Mayfield is the better of the two QB’s. I thinkboth will be starters in the NFL but Mayfield just seems more NFL ready at thispoint. Mayfields energy was unmatched by any player out there, very strong armand great anticipation. The kid is a gamer as is Allen. My only knock on Allenis at times he seems to put more effort into throwing the ball hard than hedoes effort into accuracy. His passes sail at times. He’s a big guy though andmoves around with ease and not awkward like Paxton Lynch. Both guys seem prettygrounded and likeable in person, I can see both becoming franchise QB’s in2018. Also have to give props to Mike White and Kyle Lauletta. Both lookedpretty good in their own rights, both accurate, decent arm strength and seemlike really well rounded good when I talked to them. The other QB’s had theirmoments but were inconsistent and seemed a little overwhelmed.

OL- Okmy favorite player of the week ended up being Will Hernandez. This kid is astraight up stud who utterly dominated every drill. No way this kid lasts untilthe second round. I actually met him as well, very friendly, respectful andgrounded. The kind of guy you want to pull for. Isaiah Wynn was also dominant andalso a lock to go in the first round. I can see both of these guys becoming AllPros in the NFL. Also have to give props to Alex Cappa. Super good kid inpersonbut seems to have a little mean streak on the field. He could be the righttackle we need in Denver.

LB’s-Another favorite of mine was Shaquem Griffen. He was easily the quickest edgerusher in practice. The kid is super quick and has a nose for the ball. I cansee him being a very effective role player in the NFL, a QB killer. Again,another very nice kid, sounds like he may get his much deserved combine invitethis week. Darius Leonard was also a stand out in practice. I’d freaking loveto have him in Denver. Also thought McCray, Turray and O’Daniels stood out. Overall the LB group isstrong.

DL-Hands down the best D-lineman was BJ Hill. The guy is a beast, super strong,agile and quick. This guy has first rounder written all over him as well. Kindof quiet in person but seems like a good kid. I locked in on Marcus Davenportearly in practice. He didn’t do much to stand out early in practice but seemedto get better as the week went on. He certainly looks the part and played thepart in college, just seemed to be trying too hard earlier in the week, seemedstiff.

Hope topost more soon, have to get back to work for now. If you have any questionsjust ask.

[Hawgdriver]

That white on white was hard to read but I pushed through for the payoff.

Thanks for the report, it's great.

Is White an NFL QB?

[broncofaninfla]

That white on white was hard to read but I pushed through for the payoff.

Thanks for the report, it's great.

Is White an NFL QB?

Sorry about that. I typed it on a email then copied and pasted, my work PC doesn't work well with this site or some reason. I actually liked White. I didn't know anything about him going in but he looked pretty good at times. Very good kid too in person, talked to him for a couple of minutes at the end of the meet and greet on Friday.

[slim]

Or we can take blockhead Mayfield and win by yelling and screaming!

Chugga chugga choo choo!!!!

All aboard!

[MOtorboat]

Chugga chugga choo choo!!!!

All aboard!

Is this like the cartoons where they paint a tunnel on the side of a mountain and the train crashes?

[Poet]

Mo, assume for a moment that he can be a professional in the traditional sense - he's smart enough and will work hard.

Are you still off him?

[underrated29]

Mo, assume for a moment that he can be a professional in the traditional sense - he's smart enough and will work hard.

Are you still off him?



Mo gets off on all guys

[Poet]

And that's why you need to wash your chin off, UR.

[MOtorboat]

Mo, assume for a moment that he can be a professional in the traditional sense - he's smart enough and will work hard.

Are you still off him?

That would be a big assumption.

[Poet]

That would be a big assumption.

Mo, I kind of want us to blow up the roster and start anew.

[dogfish]

Mo, assume for a moment that he can be a professional in the traditional sense - he's smart enough and will work hard.

Are you still off him?

maturity is a legit question mark with mayfield, but work ethic isn't. . . he didn't go from a walk-on at texas tech to starting at oklahoma, winning the heisman and going to the playoffs without working hard. . . he was a midget afterthought who's never been handed anything at any level. . . he's basically a self-made prospect-- there's no hype machine for 6 foot QBs. . . i have no idea whether he has the mental make-up to succeed, but his work ethic is the last thing i'd worry about. . .



Mo, I kind of want us to blow up the roster and start anew.

if we don't get cousins, this is where i'm at. . .

[Poet]

Dog, does this mean we're in true sync and riding together?

[dogfish]

Dog, does this mean we're in true sync and riding together?

potentially. . . i just don't think we have enough young or prime years talent to do an effective re-load unless we land that solid veteran quarterback. . . if we're going to build around a rookie, i highly doubt that guys like DT are still going to be playing at a high level by the time he's ready. . . if we bring in captain kirk, he's ready to play at a high level while we can still get something out of stars like von and chris harris, and we might be able to patch the rest. . . if we have to spend several years developing a kid, i simply don't see enough quality young talent on hand to grow along with him. . . we may as well blow everything up, collect as many assets as possible, and use them to hopefully put a better young core in place around the new guy, and set ourselves up to have cap space when he's hitting his prime. . . that's what gives us the best odds, IMO. . .