The Safest Pick in the 2018 NFL Draft

[Ziggy]

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G QUENTON NELSON 6'5 325

Nelson is a no-brainer plug and play for the next 10-15 year prospect. You'll see a lot written about him as the draft approaches. Turn on any one of his games watch him dominate week in and week out. A lot was written about Bolles's nasty demeanor. Nelson makes him look like a choir boy. You want attitude on your offensive line? How about this attitude?

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Nelson is the best run blocking lineman in the nation, hands down. He can drive block, he can pull, and he can identify and pick up stunts and blitzes. Pass blocking? He allowed 2 pressures the entire season. The team that drafts this young man is going to plug him in as a rookie and watch him make all pro teams year after year. The 5th pick is extremely high for a guard, but if Elway wants the BPA, Nelson just may be that man come draft night. If the QB situation is resolved before the draft, the next step is to build that offensive line.

Unlike Bolles last season, Nelson isn't a hit or miss prospect. He's one of the best guard prospects to come out in a long, long time. You want talent, this is talent. And attitude. And power. Nelson won't be the sexy pick on draft day, but he will be the wise one for whichever team picks him.

[Northman]

I have no problem with this pick.

[Hawgdriver]

I want credit for mentioning him first on this site a while back. :D

[underrated29]

We like him a lot. If we get cousins I bet he’s ours

[Timmy!]

As a ND fan I fully endorse this pick. He is a monster.

[DenBronx]

Trade back.

[Tned]

Is there anything close to a can't miss QB that will be available 5th or a spot or two ahead (trading up)?

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to getting a blue chip Olinemen, because no QB is going to be successful if we don't fix the line. As bad as our QB play has been, the biggest weakness on offense for multiple years now has been the O line and failure to pass protect and run block.

[Northman]

Is there anything close to a can't miss QB that will be available 5th or a spot or two ahead (trading up)?



In my opinion no.

If Denver wants to trade back and go that route than im fine with it but im not sold on Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen/Allen as cant miss prospects. They all have some issues in my opinion that can be problematic at the pro level. Because our pick is so high i would rather go with OT/LB and then worry about QB later. Obviously the only issue with this is if Denver doesnt grab Cousins or some other vet than we are kind of stuck with playing a young QB again. But, things seem to turn out well for Goff and Wentz although they were taken high in the draft. My hope is that we do get Cousins and then use the draft to get better support around him.

[MasterShake]

It's times like this I wish I gave a crap about college football. I have no idea who a good QB would be, but I do know that I would love to see them go all offense in the draft in the early rounds especially. O-line, receivers, QBs... Load this team up!

[Tned]

It's times like this I wish I gave a crap about college football. I have no idea who a good QB would be, but I do know that I would love to see them go all offense in the draft in the early rounds especially. O-line, receivers, QBs... Load this team up!

Ditto.

[Tned]

In my opinion no.

If Denver wants to trade back and go that route than im fine with it but im not sold on Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen/Allen as cant miss prospects. They all have some issues in my opinion that can be problematic at the pro level. Because our pick is so high i would rather go with OT/LB and then worry about QB later. Obviously the only issue with this is if Denver doesnt grab Cousins or some other vet than we are kind of stuck with playing a young QB again. But, things seem to turn out well for Goff and Wentz although they were taken high in the draft. My hope is that we do get Cousins and then use the draft to get better support around him.

I wish we had seen more of Lynch and he had more game experience. Get him some protection, and he could turn into a good QB. Problem is with him being injured basically all year, he both lost lots of practice reps and the Broncos (and us) didn't get a chance to really see what he can do and if he took a major step forward. That means going into next seas with him as plan A is very risky.

I'm not 100% sold on Cousins, especially at those dollars, but at minimum he's a big step up from our QB play of the last few years.

[Northman]

I wish we had seen more of Lynch and he had more game experience. Get him some protection, and he could turn into a good QB. Problem is with him being injured basically all year, he both lost lots of practice reps and the Broncos (and us) didn't get a chance to really see what he can do and if he took a major step forward. That means going into next seas with him as plan A is very risky.

I'm not 100% sold on Cousins, especially at those dollars, but at minimum he's a big step up from our QB play of the last few years.

For me personally i dont see Lynch as the answer. I dont like his mental fortitude when things dont go his way and im not big on his ability to get hurt falling off the bench. His durability seems to be a big question mark for me. I dont expect Denver to throw him to the trash heap just yet but im not really convinced that even if we get better protection that it will solve his inability to go through progressions while on the field. My biggest gripe with Elway and Denver right now has been the reluctance to go after a NFL ready QB or a prospect that has better qualities going into the NFL rather than all these "projects". I understood the Oz pick back when it was made but that turned out to be a bust. Cousins is really the best option we have in my opinion because they guy has played in the league for six years, has had success with a bad organization and surrounding talent on the field with him. People can groan about the pricetag but if you want to win ballgames and championships you pay the QB that kind of money, especially when the market dictates it. Denver wouldnt be throwing money at Matt Flynn or Matt Cassell after one year, they would be investing in a guy who has proven he can play in the NFL. IMO

[Davii]

I wish we had seen more of Lynch and he had more game experience. Get him some protection, and he could turn into a good QB. Problem is with him being injured basically all year, he both lost lots of practice reps and the Broncos (and us) didn't get a chance to really see what he can do and if he took a major step forward. That means going into next seas with him as plan A is very risky.

I'm not 100% sold on Cousins, especially at those dollars, but at minimum he's a big step up from our QB play of the last few years.

I'm sold on Cousins. He's thrown for over 4000 yard each year the last 3, he's averaged 28 TDs, and 12 interceptions each of those years as well. This is on a team that doesn't have the offensive talent at the skill positions we do and has just as bad a line (he was sacked 41 times this year). So, he gets sacked 41 times, still throws for over 4k yards, 27 TDs against 13 INTs, and really led his team.

I wish we had a guy like that. Seriously, I think Elway can make one hell of a pitch to him. He's going to be the highest paid QB, that's how it works now. If Elway offers him a nice package (If even a little less than others can, as long as the guarantees are similar) and tells him we're investing HEAVILY in the offensive line this offseason... I mean, that's pretty attractive from his standpoint. Our defense was still top 5, he would solve our biggest need, and a promise from John that we're going to have one of the best lines in the league?

Sign me up.

[Nomad]

Elway would be crazy to pass on him

[Slick]

I wouldn't complain at all. Take him or the tackle playing beside him.

[Ziggy]

Trade back.

And miss a generational type of guard? Extra picks isn't always wiser than taking a possible superstar. If we would have traded back when we drafted Von and not picked up Watt, this team would have one less Lombardi.

[Davii]

I wouldn't complain at all. Take him or the tackle playing beside him.

How about both?

[Slick]

How about both?

Sure!

[HORSEPOWER 56]

The real question, especially if you’re talking about #5 overall pick, is who has the potential to be the most impactful player. Is it Nelson? A guard, who while he might be all-pro caliber is still just a Guard. Nobody takes Guards at #5 for a reason. Is it Barkley? The guy looks like another elite back in the Zeke Elliot mold. Is he worth it? How about Chubb (the pass rusher not the GA RB)? Line him up across from Von Miller and watch out. Is he worth it?

Or, do we grab the best remaining QB? A lot will be answered before the draft if we sign Cousins. There’s no way we draft a QB in the first if we sign Cousins but any other stopgap vet leaves that door open.

While Nelson may be awesome and might be safe, unless he can play LT, he’s just not worth the #5 overall pick, IMO. He’s a guard. Leary and McGovern will be fine next year.

[Davii]

The real question, especially if you’re talking about #5 overall pick, is who has the potential to be the most impactful player. Is it Nelson? A guard, who while he might be all-pro caliber is still just a Guard. Nobody takes Guards at #5 for a reason. Is it Barkley? The guy looks like another elite back in the Zeke Elliot mold. Is he worth it? How about Chubb (the pass rusher not the GA RB)? Line him up across from Von Miller and watch out. Is he worth it?

Or, do we grab the best remaining QB? A lot will be answered before the draft if we sign Cousins. There’s no way we draft a QB in the first if we sign Cousins but any other stopgap vet leaves that door open.

While Nelson may be awesome and might be safe, unless he can play LT, he’s just not worth the #5 overall pick, IMO. He’s a guard. Leary and McGovern will be fine next year.

From Walter Football:


12/9/17: Nelson has dominated for Notre Dame in 2017, showing the ability to overwhelm defensive linemen as a run blocker and pass protector. After surveying sources from around the league including multiple general managers, Nelson is a consensus elite prospect for the 2018 NFL Draft. However, he might go behind lesser prospects in the draft just because he is a guard and many teams don't value guards that high.

Nelson is the most talented and polished offensive lineman in the 2018 NFL Draft class, regardless of position. He also is one of the safest prospects in the draft class. Some team sources think that Nelson could be the best guard in the NFL during his pro career and could be better than former Patriots All-Pro Logan Mankins. Some have higher grades on Nelson than they did on Mankins, David DeCastro and Brandon Scherff.

[underrated29]

The real question, especially if you’re talking about #5 overall pick, is who has the potential to be the most impactful player. Is it Nelson? A guard, who while he might be all-pro caliber is still just a Guard. Nobody takes Guards at #5 for a reason. Is it Barkley? The guy looks like another elite back in the Zeke Elliot mold. Is he worth it? How about Chubb (the pass rusher not the GA RB)? Line him up across from Von Miller and watch out. Is he worth it?

Or, do we grab the best remaining QB? A lot will be answered before the draft if we sign Cousins. There’s no way we draft a QB in the first if we sign Cousins but any other stopgap vet leaves that door open.

While Nelson may be awesome and might be safe, unless he can play LT, he’s just not worth the #5 overall pick, IMO. He’s a guard. Leary and McGovern will be fine next year.

In my mock, I actually have us taking Chubb the NT/DE and passing on this nelson for another.....infact, I may as well get that started.

[Slick]

The real question, especially if you’re talking about #5 overall pick, is who has the potential to be the most impactful player. Is it Nelson? A guard, who while he might be all-pro caliber is still just a Guard. Nobody takes Guards at #5 for a reason. Is it Barkley? The guy looks like another elite back in the Zeke Elliot mold. Is he worth it? How about Chubb (the pass rusher not the GA RB)? Line him up across from Von Miller and watch out. Is he worth it?

Or, do we grab the best remaining QB? A lot will be answered before the draft if we sign Cousins. There’s no way we draft a QB in the first if we sign Cousins but any other stopgap vet leaves that door open.

While Nelson may be awesome and might be safe, unless he can play LT, he’s just not worth the #5 overall pick, IMO. He’s a guard. Leary and McGovern will be fine next year.

I don't disagree with what you're saying but at the same time you can't draft a bust at #5 either. Denver needs that pick to start and play well right off the bat.

None of the QBs excite me enough to roll the dice on them.

[Northman]

I don't disagree with what you're saying but at the same time you can't draft a bust at #5 either. Denver needs that pick to start and play well right off the bat.

None of the QBs excite me enough to roll the dice on them.


Same here, after watching them in their bowl games and researching their stats im just not sold on them being a pick at #5.

[chazoe60]

In my mock, I actually have us taking Chubb the NT/DE and passing on this nelson for another.....infact, I may as well get that started.

If we draft defense with that #5 pick I'm gonna be pissed. QB or OL those are the only options.

[CoachChaz]

The real question, especially if you’re talking about #5 overall pick, is who has the potential to be the most impactful player. Is it Nelson? A guard, who while he might be all-pro caliber is still just a Guard. Nobody takes Guards at #5 for a reason. Is it Barkley? The guy looks like another elite back in the Zeke Elliot mold. Is he worth it? How about Chubb (the pass rusher not the GA RB)? Line him up across from Von Miller and watch out. Is he worth it?

Or, do we grab the best remaining QB? A lot will be answered before the draft if we sign Cousins. There’s no way we draft a QB in the first if we sign Cousins but any other stopgap vet leaves that door open.

While Nelson may be awesome and might be safe, unless he can play LT, he’s just not worth the #5 overall pick, IMO. He’s a guard. Leary and McGovern will be fine next year.

Also have to take into consideration that a team has to be built from the inside out. So, I'm not a fan of the theory that an interior lineman isnt worthy of a top 5 pick. If he's the best player at a position of need, who is also considered a generational talent...you draft him. And adding a player of this caliber to left guard would in itself help to improve Bolles. And the OL talent is pretty deep this year. We could turn around and get a very good tackle with our 2nd round pick to play right side.

[Northman]

If we draft defense with that #5 pick I'm gonna be pissed. QB or OL those are the only options.

Taking a defender at #5 is not a bad approach honestly. The Broncos should be focused on getting the best player at their respective position and i dont think any of the QB's are worth that pick. Fine with OL because lord knows we need help there but if we take a DE like Chubb or a LB like Smith im down. We need help in those areas as well.

[chazoe60]

Also have to take into consideration that a team has to be built from the inside out. So, I'm not a fan of the theory that an interior lineman isnt worthy of a top 5 pick. If he's the best player at a position of need, who is also considered a generational talent...you draft him. And adding a player of this caliber to left guard would in itself help to improve Bolles. And the OL talent is pretty deep this year. We could turn around and get a very good tackle with our 2nd round pick to play right side.

I'm hoping Bolles gets moved to RT. He is not a good LT. I'd like to see us sign a legit LT and move Bolles to RT.

[Davii]

Also have to take into consideration that a team has to be built from the inside out. So, I'm not a fan of the theory that an interior lineman isnt worthy of a top 5 pick. If he's the best player at a position of need, who is also considered a generational talent...you draft him. And adding a player of this caliber to left guard would in itself help to improve Bolles. And the OL talent is pretty deep this year. We could turn around and get a very good tackle with our 2nd round pick to play right side.

Agreed 100%. There is a chance we could pull McGlinchey as well. He's expected to go in the first, John could trade back into the first round and take him. Who knows. I know I'd be happy with the two of them playing next to each other like they have the last few years. I'd also be great with he and Bolles competing to see who is LT and who is RT, put Nelson at LG and Barbre at RG or flip them, whatever. That group (along with Paradis) should be a damn good group.

[CoachChaz]

Agreed 100%. There is a chance we could pull McGlinchey as well. He's expected to go in the first, John could trade back into the first round and take him. Who knows. I know I'd be happy with the two of them playing next to each other like they have the last few years. I'd also be great with he and Bolles competing to see who is LT and who is RT, put Nelson at LG and Barbre at RG or flip them, whatever. That group (along with Paradis) should be a damn good group.

Tough to get a feel for where McGlinchey lands because of all the OT talent available this year. That being said, I'd be happy with any of him, Williams, Brown, Okorafor, Miller, Rankin, Crosby. And if one of them bests Bolles in camp, then move them to LT and Bolles to the right.

[Northman]

Tough to get a feel for where McGlinchey lands because of all the OT talent available this year. That being said, I'd be happy with any of him, Williams, Brown, Okorafor, Miller, Rankin, Crosby. And if one of them bests Bolles in camp, then move them to LT and Bolles to the right.

I like Brown and Rankin a lot.

[CoachChaz]

I like Brown and Rankin a lot.

Me too. I'd be happy with any of the 7 on that list.

[NightTerror218]

I like him but I prefer a tackle over a G in 1st. I do think think any solid QB prospects. All have issues or concerns. No luck or wintz type prospects

[Ziggy]

I like him but I prefer a tackle over a G in 1st. I do think think any solid QB prospects. All have issues or concerns. No luck or wintz type prospects

There are some good tackles in this class, but none of them are a Quenton Nelson type of prospect.

[Ziggy]

Me too. I'd be happy with any of the 7 on that list.

Brown fascinates me. I think he'll be the big riser of tackles in the pre draft process.

[Tned]

I'm sold on Cousins. He's thrown for over 4000 yard each year the last 3, he's averaged 28 TDs, and 12 interceptions each of those years as well. This is on a team that doesn't have the offensive talent at the skill positions we do and has just as bad a line (he was sacked 41 times this year). So, he gets sacked 41 times, still throws for over 4k yards, 27 TDs against 13 INTs, and really led his team.

I wish we had a guy like that. Seriously, I think Elway can make one hell of a pitch to him. He's going to be the highest paid QB, that's how it works now. If Elway offers him a nice package (If even a little less than others can, as long as the guarantees are similar) and tells him we're investing HEAVILY in the offensive line this offseason... I mean, that's pretty attractive from his standpoint. Our defense was still top 5, he would solve our biggest need, and a promise from John that we're going to have one of the best lines in the league?

Sign me up.

He's a MUCH surer bet than drafting a QB. Whether he's worth the $30-32 million a year I saw projected a few months ago, I don't know. If the Broncos can use a top draft pick on a tackle or possibly guard and shore up the line, the number one need IMHO, even ahead of QB, and then get Cousins as QB, then the team should immediately be a contender again.

[underrated29]

If we draft defense with that #5 pick I'm gonna be pissed. QB or OL those are the only options.

Why? We badly need another pass rusher. Von only had 10 sacks this year as he was double and triple teamed. We were also down in turnover and ints because we couldnt get a good pass rush. There are plenty of G and T in this draft. Obviously Nelson is an outlier but aside from him the drop off in G from say 2nd rd to 5th rnd is not nearly as severe as the drop off from the top DE to a 3rd rd DE.

[Tned]

Why? We badly need another pass rusher. Von only had 10 sacks this year as he was double and triple teamed. We were also down in turnover and ints because we couldnt get a good pass rush. There are plenty of G and T in this draft. Obviously Nelson is an outlier but aside from him the drop off in G from say 2nd rd to 5th rnd is not nearly as severe as the drop off from the top DE to a 3rd rd DE.

The Broncos were a top defense, they have a very bad O-line. There is no need bigger than fixing the O-line.

Injuries, specifically to Ray, was what caused the failure to help Von out.

[NightTerror218]

There are some good tackles in this class, but none of them are a Quenton Nelson type of prospect.

Hard to wrap my mind around a G at #5

[underrated29]

The Broncos were a top defense, they have a very bad O-line. There is no need bigger than fixing the O-line.

Injuries, specifically to Ray, was what caused the failure to help Von out.




We need 2 OL, 1 very specificially. We can draft us a RT. We may have Mcgovern at G or we can get us a good one in the mid rounds. Ray imo, is not all that great at rushing the passer. I think Doom is a much better pass rusher than he. I like ray, but he imo is only marginally better than Shaq. You know what we looked like with a healthy Demarcus Ware. How about we draft ourselves another one of those.

There is not a top 5 T. There is a top 5 G, but there are also solid to great G in rds 2-5. There are not great DEs in those rounds. If we sign cousins, I would take Chubb or some other DE first.

[Tned]

We need 2 OL, 1 very specificially. We can draft us a RT. We may have Mcgovern at G or we can get us a good one in the mid rounds. Ray imo, is not all that great at rushing the passer. I think Doom is a much better pass rusher than he. I like ray, but he imo is only marginally better than Shaq. You know what we looked like with a healthy Demarcus Ware. How about we draft ourselves another one of those.

There is not a top 5 T. There is a top 5 G, but there are also solid to great G in rds 2-5. There are not great DEs in those rounds. If we sign cousins, I would take Chubb or some other DE first.

The Broncos need to draft a QB or Oline first. If they think 5 is too early, drop back and draft the tackle a few spots back. Yes, there are solid guards in rds 2-5, but the Broncos are in such bad shape, they need as close to a plug and play blue chipper as possible, not rolling the dice on a mid round picks, which is what they've been doing for years with minimal success, because it's flipping a coin at best on success/failure.

I'm not sure how anyone that complained about how bad the offense has been the last three years can think drafting defense with that pick makes sense.

The Broncos don't have to get a better pass rush, but they absolutely have to get better at stopping it.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

[CoachChaz]

Hard to wrap my mind around a G at #5

If it was 1983, would you spend #5 on Bruce Matthews? Because that's the type of skill Nelson has.

[Hawgdriver]

Hard to wrap my mind around a G at #5

He's more of a breakfast chef than guard if that helps.

http://images.media-allrecipes.com/userphotos/250x250/3821005.jpg

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

If it was 1983, would you spend #5 on Bruce Matthews? Because that's the type of skill Nelson has.

If he’s the next Larry Allen sign me up.

[Ziggy]

If he’s the next Larry Allen sign me up.

Larry Allen went to 11 pro bowls (before pro bowls were as watered down as they are now) and was voted 1st team all pro 6 times. Nelson is that kind of prospect.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Larry Allen went to 11 pro bowls (before pro bowls were as watered down as they are now) and was voted 1st team all pro 6 times. Nelson is that kind of prospect.

Larry Allen was the engine that made that Cowboys line go. I would totally be down with a guy like that at LG. We’d run all over people

[OrangeHoof]

I agree that spending the fifth overall choice on a pure guard is lunacy. Better to trade down into the mid-first and get him there or just take a pure LT and move over Bolles to RT. A guard's skill set is just too common to sink that much money into unless he's the steroid-induced spawn of John Hannah (another Patriot).

[G_Money]

Nelson is unbelievable. The idea that guards aren't important is also weird to me, considering our O-Line is a sieve through which the destruction of our offense pours on a play-by-play basis. IMO Paradis has underperformed almost solely because his guards have been wet piles of shit oozing all over the field. If there was a comparable OT in the top-10 I would suggest that, but I haven't seen any OL in college within shouting distance of Nelson. I would absolutely take him and lock in that position for a decade of Pro Bowl performance.

Here are the early-to-mid-round picks Denver has spent on the OL:

Orlando Franklin, OT, 2nd
Philip Blake, G/C, 4th
Michael Schofield, who cares because he's ass
Max Garcia, 4th
Connor McGovern, 5th
Garrett Bolles, 1st

How many of those are backups, or gone, or worthless? How many more picks should Denver spend on players who have never been and will never be good?

The Broncos need a better OL, and over-drafting a Pro Bowler is better than correctly drafting a practice squad player. If the Broncos feel like they could move back a few spots and still get Nelson, fine. It's playing with fire, but Denver needs the infusion of talent and extra picks help.

But drafting a QB we cannot protect to play next to running backs who can't go anywhere and receivers who are not given the opportunity to catch the ball because their QB is always on his back isn't helpful.

QB Sacks (of own QB):
Jaguars (and Steelers): 24
Rams: 28
Titans: 35
Eagles: 36
Broncos: 52

It's so weird how keeping your QB upright really helps him succeed, even if he's raw or limited. Sacks go down when you can run on first and second down. They go down when there's a semblance of a pocket. It's not just from the outside, and you can scheme TE help and chips and other things for an edge rusher if the REST OF THE POCKET holds up. Guards help with that. Terrific guards help even more.

Nelson is a terrific guard, and I would have zero issues with the Broncos taking him at #5, or a few picks thereafter. If Denver had won its last game and got the #10 pick we would be praying he falls to us. Now we don't need luck.

That's something to be happy about. One of the tenets of a good deal is that if you find something that is exactly what you want, and exactly what you need, then you don't chisel about price. Walking out of the store without the perfect thing will not make you happier because of the dollars you "saved." Just pay the draft price and add the great player. Denver needs as many great players as it can get.

[Hawgdriver]

Nelson is unbelievable. The idea that guards aren't important is also weird to me, considering our O-Line is a sieve through which the destruction of our offense pours on a play-by-play basis. IMO Paradis has underperformed almost solely because his guards have been wet piles of shit oozing all over the field. If there was a comparable OT in the top-10 I would suggest that, but I haven't seen any OL in college within shouting distance of Nelson. I would absolutely take him and lock in that position for a decade of Pro Bowl performance.

....

Nelson is a terrific guard, and I would have zero issues with the Broncos taking him at #5, or a few picks thereafter. If Denver had won its last game and got the #10 pick we would be praying he falls to us. Now we don't need luck.

Hell yea!!

[Nomad]

With Coach Chaz and G-Money endorsing Nelson, it should persuade some doubters.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

With Coach Chaz and G-Money endorsing Nelson, it should persuade some doubters.
I’m definitely persuaded, it just doesn’t fill any holes.

[Buff]

The Broncos need a better OL, and over-drafting a Pro Bowler is better than correctly drafting a practice squad player. .

I love this line.

[Poet]

A great left guard changed Brees' career. Best argument? Nah.

For sake of discussion, we heard these exact same things about Jonathan Cooper, who was slated as the best guard prospect ever.

[CoachChaz]

All I can say about Nelson is watch film on him. Might be the most technically sound interior lineman I've ever seen since I started caring about the draft. And trading back really isnt an option. If we dont take him at 5...I guarantee he's gone by 10.

However, the other option would be to draft a tackle and then look at Will Hernandez in the 2nd. Was recruited and coached by our newest interior OL coach, Kugler. My only probelm there lies with which tackle to draft at 5. Not nearly as sold on any of them being worth #5 as I am Nelson.

[Poet]

It's a sound point, Chaz. I'd just rather trade up and get us a QB.

[CoachChaz]

It's a sound point, Chaz. I'd just rather trade up and get us a QB.

Well...I'm basing this all on the assumption we find a QB in FA. If not, the whole strategy changes...or does it?

[Poet]

Well...I'm basing this all on the assumption we find a QB in FA. If not, the whole strategy changes...or does it?

If we sign Cousins, Smith, or Taylor, then **** yeah sign the godly guard. Guards matter greatly in pass protection, and that's the bottom line cuz Stone Cold Chaz Said so!

[CoachChaz]

If we sign Cousins, Smith, or Taylor, then **** yeah sign the godly guard. Guards matter greatly in pass protection, and that's the bottom line cuz Stone Cold Chaz Said so!

Well...this particular guard anyway

[Poet]

Well...this particular guard anyway

I've written it into the sky!

Is there a thread where you've shared your thoughts on the FA QB's and draftable first round QB's? I want your take worse than I want a steak!

[CoachChaz]

I've written it into the sky!

Is there a thread where you've shared your thoughts on the FA QB's and draftable first round QB's? I want your take worse than I want a steak!

Probably not.

[Poet]

Probably not.

Crap!

[CoachChaz]

Crap!

There is plenty of banter on all of that around anyway. The only thing I'd add is to keep in mind a name that not really anyone is mentioning. Mason Rudolph. If Mayfield is an option, then Rudolph has to be as well.

[dogfish]

I've written it into the sky!

Is there a thread where you've shared your thoughts on the FA QB's and draftable first round QB's? I want your take worse than I want a steak!
i think it's time to revive "ask coach chaz" (http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php/299358-Ask-Coach-Chaz?highlight=coach+chaz) . . .

[dogfish]

With Coach Chaz and G-Money endorsing Nelson, it should persuade some doubters.

i'm coming around. . . somebody convince me that taking him at #5 is better/more productive than if we could trade back a few spots and grab a tackle like mcglinchey or brown. . .

[BroncoJoe]

i'm coming around. . . somebody convince me that taking him at #5 is better/more productive than if we could trade back a few spots and grab a tackle like mcglinchey or brown. . .

Because having a very good to great guard makes a descent tackle so much better?

[underrated29]

i'm coming around. . . somebody convince me that taking him at #5 is better/more productive than if we could trade back a few spots and grab a tackle like mcglinchey or brown. . .



For me its like this...

Rosen, Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Alden, Nelson, one of them will be there and likely one of then will be there a few spots down the list too. I am fine with any of them. I have my concerns about Darnold to be honest, but all are sexy and I would like here very much.

[Ziggy]

i'm coming around. . . somebody convince me that taking him at #5 is better/more productive than if we could trade back a few spots and grab a tackle like mcglinchey or brown. . .

McGlinchey and Brown may be good tackles in the NFL. They may even go on to be pro bowlers. Nelson is the type of prospect that can step in and play at an all pro level in his rookie season. He's not a pro bowl prospect. He's a hall of fame prospect. He's a Von Miller of the offensive line type of prospect. He's a generational type of prospect at his position.

Now, this is simply my opinion of him. That and a dollar will get you a soda. Pull up as many of his games as you can and watch them. Tell me if you find a weakness in his film, because I haven't been able to.

[BroncoJoe]

McGlinchey and Brown may be good tackles in the NFL. They may even go on to be pro bowlers. Nelson is the type of prospect that can step in and play at an all pro level in his rookie season. He's not a pro bowl prospect. He's a hall of fame prospect. He's a Von Miller of the offensive line type of prospect. He's a generational type of prospect at his position.

Now, this is simply my opinion of him. That and a dollar will get you a soda. Pull up as many of his games as you can and watch them. Tell me if you find a weakness in his film, because I haven't been able to.

Not in Seattle!

:drum:

[G_Money]

Broncos out here just dictating what prospects they want to see. This time it's OL help:

https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/955918412856700928

Was told UTEP G Will Hernandez was moved to the north team in the Senior Bowl. He’s reunited with his former college head coach and newly hired Broncos o-line coach Sean Kugler.

[NightTerror218]

I am on board with Nelson at #5 only if we have captain kirk at the helm. Otherwise I would take darnold rosen or Mayfield. I am a Mayfield fan but hard to not take the other 2 over him. Unless you can think of last usc QB to be any good.

I have character concerns with rosen along with his safety concerns since he is immobile and our line. Dude is most pro ready.

Maturity concern with Mayfield and reading defenses. But he can make incredible throws on the move or in the pocket.

Darnold is a Trojan and they all seem to flame out but he has major ball security issues.

[CoachChaz]

Broncos out here just dictating what prospects they want to see. This time it's OL help:

https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/955918412856700928

Was told UTEP G Will Hernandez was moved to the north team in the Senior Bowl. He’s reunited with his former college head coach and newly hired Broncos o-line coach Sean Kugler.

Only 1 guard in NCAA allowed fewer QB pressures than Nelson. His name was Will Hernandez.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Only 1 guard in NCAA allowed fewer QB pressures than Nelson. His name was Will Hernandez.

There are several reports of him making errbody his bitch in one on one drills. And he’s sporting the sweet neck roll :rockon:

[CoachChaz]

There are several reports of him making errbody his bitch in one on one drills. And he’s sporting the sweet neck roll :rockon:

Bad news there is he may not last until our pick in the 2nd

[underrated29]

And he has been in my sig for a while and I bet he is ours!

[Ziggy]

With all the general managers, coaches and scouts in attendance for the Senior Bowl, there is a lot of chatter going around. Here are some of the highlights from around the league.

The 2017 NFL Draft and the 2018 NFL Draft have been down years at the offensive tackle position. While the lack of edge-blocking talent has been noticeable, this could be a good year for talent on the interior of the offensive line. Sources at multiple teams believe there could be four interior offensive linemen who get selected in the first two rounds of the 2018 NFL Draft. The first one to come off the board will be Notre Dame's Quenton Nelson. He is among the elite players in the 2018 NFL Draft, and one area scout who covered Nelson described him like this, "He's Zach Martin on steroids." Nelson shouldn't get out of the top 10.


http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2018rumors4.php

[G_Money]

I just don't get tired of this. I want a lineman who can do this.

https://twitter.com/JReidDraftScout/status/957834233204105217

[CoachChaz]

I just don't get tired of this. I want a lineman who can do this.

https://twitter.com/JReidDraftScout/status/957834233204105217

Dude picks up a far side blitz better than any RB. Here's a good one of him body slamming and tea-bagging L'Lavon Chaisson of LSU

https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/947920275328372736?lang=en

[Slick]

If Denver took him at 5 I wouldn't complain one bit.

[underrated29]

If Denver took him at 5 I wouldn't complain one bit.

Id celebrate.

[CoachChaz]

I dont typically like looking at highlight compilations, but in all honesty, this is how he played every game all game. Watching him dominate the nasty NC State DL was especially impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi3Um_aHdMk

[underrated29]

I dont typically like looking at highlight compilations, but in all honesty, this is how he played every game all game. Watching him dominate the nasty NC State DL was especially impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi3Um_aHdMk



Just imagine him with maybe Chubb or Michel or Penny or some rd 2 RB. That is a great combo. He and Bolles blasting holes open and some pimp RB speeding through the holes. There are a lot of good skills players in this draft.

[nevcraw]

Why? We badly need another pass rusher. Von only had 10 sacks this year as he was double and triple teamed. We were also down in turnover and ints because we couldnt get a good pass rush. There are plenty of G and T in this draft. Obviously Nelson is an outlier but aside from him the drop off in G from say 2nd rd to 5th rnd is not nearly as severe as the drop off from the top DE to a 3rd rd DE.
It’s hard to get sacks when you are never leading in the game. Agreed tho on the turnovers.

[dogfish]

Just imagine him with maybe Chubb or Michel or Penny or some rd 2 RB. That is a great combo. He and Bolles blasting holes open and some pimp RB speeding through the holes. There are a lot of good skills players in this draft.

deangelo henderson FTW. . .

[Hawgdriver]

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Leary, Bolles, IHOP...that is some attitude. The offense would have the nasty.

RT tho... Can't have matadors again if we sign Cou$ins.

[Slick]

I don't even like Cousins but I'd be happy just to get that nasty mofo.

[Ziggy]

As the draft gets closer, more and more pundits are confirming that this guy is the real deal. He's a Von Miller type of talent at his position. Cousins may hurt our cap, but he'd almost guarantee that we take Nelson at 5 if he's there. Those two together would improve this offense enough that even Joseph may be able to win with it.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

I’m starting to come around on this dude. Total beast. Fingers crossed we sign Cousins and draft him at 5!

[underrated29]

I’m starting to come around on this dude. Total beast. Fingers crossed we sign Cousins and draft him at 5!

i want he or Chubb

[CoachChaz]

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Leary, Bolles, IHOP...that is some attitude. The offense would have the nasty.

RT tho... Can't have matadors again if we sign Cou$ins.

I'm kind of curious to see what Kouandjio can do. He looked decent in his limited opportunity.

[Hawgdriver]

i want he or Chubb

You've wanted chubb as long as I can remember.

[underrated29]

You've wanted chubb as long as I can remember.

Im sporting a little chubby right now thinking about it

[Jsteve01]

You guys beat me to the Hernandez post. If I wasn't so high on Hernandez I'd be all in on Nelson at 5 providing we sign cousins. But my hope is that Hernandez is there in the late first or early second and we dumped a couple of pics to draft him and then we can go with a tackle in the first. Nobody can convince me that there's a huge drop-off from Nelson to Hernandez. I think it's the best guard combo that the draft has seen since I've followed closely. Literally the only knock on Hernandez this year was competition. As stated before he's known as a 340-pound road grader in the Run game but he gave up fewer pressures than Nelson this year. So the big question was how does he stand up against legit NFL caliber talent and he answered that by dominating at the Senior Bowl. Factor in the connection to our new o line coach and I think you can see the writing on the wall. The big problem is that most of these draft sites that have him as an early second-rounder really aren't taking into consideration all of the buzz that he's generated in the past 3 weeks.

[Nomad]

I'd still take Nelson. Hernandez will be lucky if he makes it out of the first round. Is McClinchy as good as he is without Nelson next to him? I believe Nelson is a player who makes the guy next to him better.

Is Hernandez as good playing on a Notre Dame team, or a big conference team?

[Simple Jaded]

If Denver didn’t need a QB he’d be a slam dunk pick at #5, even better if you could move down and still guarantee to get him.

Bolles, Nelson and Oregon RT Tyrell Crosby would make the nastiest OL in the league.

[Simple Jaded]

I'm sold on Cousins. He's thrown for over 4000 yard each year the last 3, he's averaged 28 TDs, and 12 interceptions each of those years as well. This is on a team that doesn't have the offensive talent at the skill positions we do and has just as bad a line (he was sacked 41 times this year). So, he gets sacked 41 times, still throws for over 4k yards, 27 TDs against 13 INTs, and really led his team.

I wish we had a guy like that. Seriously, I think Elway can make one hell of a pitch to him. He's going to be the highest paid QB, that's how it works now. If Elway offers him a nice package (If even a little less than others can, as long as the guarantees are similar) and tells him we're investing HEAVILY in the offensive line this offseason... I mean, that's pretty attractive from his standpoint. Our defense was still top 5, he would solve our biggest need, and a promise from John that we're going to have one of the best lines in the league?

Sign me up.
Highest paid player in the entire history of the NFL, that’s how it works (true) but that doesn’t mean it’s not obscenely stupid.

Btw, a promise from a GM means what, exactly? The highest paid Player in NFL history plus the highest defense of player in the league almost precludes creating a top OL out of the current shithole, especially for a GM in a slump like this GM.

[Simple Jaded]

The real question, especially if you’re talking about #5 overall pick, is who has the potential to be the most impactful player. Is it Nelson? A guard, who while he might be all-pro caliber is still just a Guard. Nobody takes Guards at #5 for a reason. Is it Barkley? The guy looks like another elite back in the Zeke Elliot mold. Is he worth it? How about Chubb (the pass rusher not the GA RB)? Line him up across from Von Miller and watch out. Is he worth it?

Or, do we grab the best remaining QB? A lot will be answered before the draft if we sign Cousins. There’s no way we draft a QB in the first if we sign Cousins but any other stopgap vet leaves that door open.

While Nelson may be awesome and might be safe, unless he can play LT, he’s just not worth the #5 overall pick, IMO. He’s a guard. Leary and McGovern will be fine next year.

Bolles at LT
Nelson at LG
McGovern at C
Leary at RG
And a new RT

Paradis is JAG, it’s erroneous at this point to suggest you can’t improve there too.

Btw, Chubb isn’t a dynamic player, unless he can play 3-4 DE he’s not a good fit.

[Simple Jaded]

I like Brown and Rankin a lot.

Rankin can actually play C, too, just sayin.

[Poet]

Rankin can actually play C, too, just sayin.

Forget the safe pick - go trade up for Rosen and be a real god damn man!

Somehow I hold you responsible for our QB outcome, ya bitch.

[Simple Jaded]

Why? We badly need another pass rusher. Von only had 10 sacks this year as he was double and triple teamed. We were also down in turnover and ints because we couldnt get a good pass rush. There are plenty of G and T in this draft. Obviously Nelson is an outlier but aside from him the drop off in G from say 2nd rd to 5th rnd is not nearly as severe as the drop off from the top DE to a 3rd rd DE.
Draft Nelson and watch Key fall in our lap. Not a fan of Chubb (the DE, Love the RB).

[Simple Jaded]

Forget the safe pick - go trade up for Rosen and be a real god damn man!

Somehow I hold you responsible for our QB outcome, ya bitch.

I don’t blame you, I was the one who liked all our QB’s. Still do. I can’t quit them. They complete me.

[Simple Jaded]

I don’t blame you, I was the one who liked all our QB’s. Still do. I can’t quit them. They complete me.

I’m leaning towards Bridgewater on a one year “Prove it” deal, partially because I think Rosen/Allen are gone by #5 and partially because I hate white players.

[Poet]

I’m leaning towards Bridgewater on a one year “Prove it” deal, partially because I think Rosen/Allen are gone by #5 and partially because I hate white players.

We trading up!!!!!!!!!

[Simple Jaded]

We trading up!!!!!!!!!

You could do both, probably should do both.

Bridgewater and Rosen/Allen, although I doubt Rosen needs a year to develop.

[Poet]

Rosen needs to learn on the job. You don't retard a brilliant man's learning process by making him hold a clipboard.

You let him learn to be a God.

[Simple Jaded]

Rosen needs to learn on the job. You don't retard a brilliant man's learning process by making him hold a clipboard.

You let him learn to be a God.

He’s by far the most bestest ideal option, so... I hate to break it to you ... but ...are you sitting down?

[Poet]

He’s by far the most bestest ideal option, so... I hate to break it to you ... but ...are you sitting down?

Cleveland will take the Howlizter arm. We move up. We get Mr. UCLA.

[Simple Jaded]

Cleveland will take the Howlizter arm. We move up. We get Mr. UCLA.

The cost to move up is prohibitive, so...

I see two most likely scenarios; one is he doesn’t drop for the obscenely stupid reasons people drop wanna him for and he’s either taken by the Browns/Giants/someone else willing to give up a Kings ransom ...and B, he actually does drop and Elway is a card-carrying, prime example of someone who’d drop him for the obscenely stupid reasons people wanna drop him for.

[Poet]

The cost to move up is prohibitive, so...

I see two most likely scenarios; one is he doesn’t drop for the obscenely stupid reasons people drop wanna him for and he’s either taken by the Browns/Giants/someone else willing to give up a Kings ransom ...and B, he actually does drop and Elway is a card-carrying, prime example of someone who’d drop him for the obscenely stupid reasons people wanna drop him for.

If Elway dropped him for that then...nah. He's not stupid.

[Simple Jaded]

If Elway dropped him for that then...nah. He's not stupid.

I’m not saying Elway is stupid, I’m saying hes a prime example of someone who makes obscenely stupid decisions.

[Poet]

Elway basically was Mr. UCLA. Just different sides of the coin.

[Simple Jaded]

Elway basically was Mr. UCLA. Just different sides of the coin.

And Elway was by far the best legitimately available option at the time, but they got Elway for a song compared to today’s market price for trading up for those kinds of QB’s. A LG, a scrub QB and some change.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

What is the stupid reason someone would drop Rosen? I’m lost here...

[Poet]

What is the stupid reason someone would drop Rosen? I’m lost here...

It's a P and R issue.

Rosen is the best player in the draft.

[Simple Jaded]

No, there’s also reasons involving character, people are worried that he’s not “all about football”, that he thinks he smarter than everyone else and all of a sudden his teammates all hate him (unless the people you’re asking are, in fact, his actual teammates).

[Poet]

No, there’s also reasons involving character, people are worried that he’s not “all about football”, that he thinks he smarter than everyone else and all of a sudden his teammates all hate him (unless the people you’re asking are, in fact, his actual teammates).

He's a football player.

He is smarter than damn near everyone else.

His teammates don't hate him.

The big thing, whether people admit it or not, is the P and R thing. And those notions of his and how they'll manifest come election time.

He's the best pick in the draft by far.

[Jsteve01]

No, there’s also reasons involving character, people are worried that he’s not “all about football”, that he thinks he smarter than everyone else and all of a sudden his teammates all hate him (unless the people you’re asking are, in fact, his actual teammates).

He's a football player.

He is smarter than damn near everyone else.

His teammates don't hate him.

The big thing, whether people admit it or not, is the P and R thing. And those notions of his and how they'll manifest come election time.

He's the best pick in the draft by far. you know the analogy that just keeps popping into my head is weather Rosen is Sam Bradford 2.0. Bradford was one of the best throwers of the football that I've ever seen coming out of college. Man he can throw a great ball. But I had great concerns about his injury history. Rosen throws a fantastic ball, is completely literate when it comes to reading defenses. He's definitely very Pro ready but the dude is frail. We think Simeon got beat up just look at his narrow shoulders and he's coming off injury

[Simple Jaded]

you know the analogy that just keeps popping into my head is weather Rosen is Sam Bradford 2.0. Bradford was one of the best throwers of the football that I've ever seen coming out of college. Man he can throw a great ball. But I had great concerns about his injury history. Rosen throws a fantastic ball, is completely literate when it comes to reading defenses. He's definitely very Pro ready but the dude is frail. We think Simeon got beat up just look at his narrow shoulders and he's coming off injury

That’s fair, I think Rosen is better prepared with better arm talent.

[Simple Jaded]

He's a football player.

He is smarter than damn near everyone else.

His teammates don't hate him.

The big thing, whether people admit it or not, is the P and R thing. And those notions of his and how they'll manifest come election time.

He's the best pick in the draft by far.

I think the P&R thing had led to questions about character.

He’s just a ******* natural passer, it’s head and shoulders above the rest.

[Simple Jaded]

This offense needs a strong personality.

[Poet]

He's a god damned genius who is hyper competitive. He's the only sure fire QB in this draft. I want him! I WANT HIM NOW, DAMMIT!

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I haven’t watched any UCLA football this year. I don’t know jack squat about the kid, other than Mora loved him.

[Simple Jaded]

I haven’t watched any UCLA football this year. I don’t know jack squat about the kid, other than Mora loved him.

If we can agree that Paradis is JAG and utterly replaceable I will gladly endorse Leighton Vander Esch in the 2md round, what say you?

[Buff]

If we can agree that Paradis is JAG and utterly replaceable I will gladly endorse Leighton Vander Esch in the 2md round, what say you?

But he's the best center in the league who consistently operates 3 yards deep in our backfield and anchors the worst line in the NFL in consecutive years, according to PFF!

[Simple Jaded]

But he's the best center in the league who consistently operates 3 yards deep in our backfield and anchors the worst line in the NFL in consecutive years, according to PFF!
Then he should garner at least a Top 20 draft pick ... or two, in trade.

[Poet]

He's clearly one of the best centers in the league.

[Simple Jaded]

He's clearly one of the best centers in the league.

He would be hard to replace. . . . .in the 6th round.

[Poet]

The production doesn't lie. The assertions are meritless. I'm mad at you, again, Jaded.

[Simple Jaded]

The production doesn't lie. The assertions are meritless. I'm mad at you, again, Jaded.

Was it something I said?

[Poet]

Was it something I said?

We're moving past this - we're trading up and getting Mr. UCLA!

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

The Buffalos are the sixth best team in northern Colorado

[chazoe60]

If Denver didn’t need a QB he’d be a slam dunk pick at #5, even better if you could move down and still guarantee to get him.

Bolles, Nelson and Oregon RT Tyrell Crosby would make the nastiest OL in the league.

Bolles sucks. Maybe he'll be serviceable some day but he's terrible right now.

[Poet]

Bolles was okay as a rookie. I don't think he sucked. JMO.

[chazoe60]

Bolles was okay as a rookie. I don't think he sucked. JMO.

He sucked bad. JMO.

[Poet]

Just food for thought - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2752521-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-left-tackles-of-2017-season

Bolles wasn't too far off from being in the top half at LT. And was only marginally worse than his predecessor. I remain optimistic my brother.

[chazoe60]

Just food for thought - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2752521-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-left-tackles-of-2017-season

Bolles wasn't too far off from being in the top half at LT. And was only marginally worse than his predecessor. I remain optimistic my brother.

I hope he becomes great.

[Poet]

He's got a shot at it.

[NightTerror218]

For a rookie only this board is down Bolles as long term answer at LT. Best tackle by far out of the draft class. And lined up next to the worst starting guard in the league.

[chazoe60]

Best tackle by far in his class? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Poet]

Best tackle by far in his class? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

As far as LT, I think that he rated that way. Ramcyzk was my guy and he was a great player this year, but at RT in New Orleans.

[Simple Jaded]

Cam Robinson was better at LT, I love Bolles but Elway ****** that one up. His “no Bama players” policy is stupid.

[Poet]

Cam Robinson was better at LT, I love Bolles but Elway ****** that one up. His “no Bama players” policy is stupid.

I have consulted the PFF gods.

They are in disagreement with you.

[chazoe60]

PFF is a joke.

[Poet]

PFF is a joke.

I think it's pretty accurate - and it beats out the completely subjective eye test where people can just see what they want.

[chazoe60]

I think it's pretty accurate - and it beats out the completely subjective eye test where people can just see what they want.

Seems like when I watch Bolles all I see is yellow.

[Poet]

Oh he gets a lot of holding calls. But a lot of rookies do.

[chazoe60]

Oh he gets a lot of holding calls. But a lot of rookies do.

It was a little ridiculous with him though.

I'm just not a fan. I pay a lot of attention to OL and I know I only watched roughly half of the Broncos games this season but what I saw of Bolles did not impress me in the slightest. I hope we get a legit LT and move Bolles to RT.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Bolles has the same kind of upside Clasy did. Clady had good coaching

[chazoe60]

Bolles has the same kind of upside Clasy did. Clady had good coaching

Completely disagree. Clady was 10xs the LT Bolles will ever be. Clady didn't give up a sack as a Rookie, Bolles was awful. Huge difference.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Completely disagree. Clady was 10xs the LT Bolles will ever be. Clady didn't give up a sack as a Rookie, Bolles was awful. Huge difference.

I don’t think you understood what I was saying my friend. I completely agree that Clady’s rookie season was far superior to Bolles.
I’m suggesting their individual upsides were very similar coming out of college. They were both considered high risk/high reward players. However I believe Clady had far superior coaching. Clady’s college coach was really good and I believe he had Alex Gibbs his rookie year.

[Jsteve01]

Completely disagree. Clady was 10xs the LT Bolles will ever be. Clady didn't give up a sack as a Rookie, Bolles was awful. Huge difference.

I don’t think you understood what I was saying my friend. I completely agree that Clady’s rookie season was far superior to Bolles.
I’m suggesting their individual upsides were very similar coming out of college. They were both considered high risk/high reward players. However I believe Clady had far superior coaching. Clady’s college coach was really good and I believe he had Alex Gibbs his rookie year. I don't know that I can agree with that. Jake Long was rated better on a few boards, but clady prior to the injuries had some of the best feet I've ever seen on a tackle. Garrett does a whole bunch of lunging and grabbing. I don't think he's the athlete that clady was. He definitely though as a nasty to him. And if we could get a legit tackle like mcglinchey then I would have no problem moving bolz to the right side.

[Simple Jaded]

I have consulted the PFF gods.

They are in disagreement with you.

I would’ve never guessed, just going by what I’ve read/heard elsewhere. I stand by the Elway/Bama dynamic being stupid though.

[G_Money]

Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson on his mindset as a blocker: “I want to take away the opponent’s will to play the game.”

https://twitter.com/NickKosmider/status/969301391746445312

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Love that dude.

[dogfish]

Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson on his mindset as a blocker: “I want to take away the opponent’s will to play the game.”

https://twitter.com/NickKosmider/status/969301391746445312

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Love that dude.

okay, we need the little cheesy facebook "love" button. . . somebody fire up a town hall thread. . .

:defense:

[Jsteve01]

Another big plus for Nelson. His arms measured at 33 yesterday so he's in the range of the short end for prototypical tackle in arm length. With his athleticism I don't know that he couldn't play right tackle. So position flexibility adds that much more to his value in my opinion

[dogfish]

“I think I should be talked in that regard, the top-five conversation, because you have guys who are dominating the NFL right now in Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins, Fletcher Cox that have just been working on interior guys,” Nelson said Thursday at the NFL Scouting Combine. “You need guys to stop them, and I think I’m one of those guys. You talk to quarterbacks, and they say if a D-end gets on the edge, that’s fine. They can step up in the pocket and make a throw. A lot of quarterbacks, if given the opportunity, can do that. So that’s what I give is a pocket to step up in, and I think I also help the offense establish the run through my nastiness.”

Nelson measured 6 foot 5 and weighed 325 pounds with 10 3/8-inch hands, 33 6/8-inch arms and an 82 5/8-inch wingspan. He had 35 reps in the 225-pound bench press.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/01/quenton-nelson-could-become-a-top-pick-despite-his-position/

[Timmy!]

Yes plz.

[Simple Jaded]

Another big plus for Nelson. His arms measured at 33 yesterday so he's in the range of the short end for prototypical tackle in arm length. With his athleticism I don't know that he couldn't play right tackle. So position flexibility adds that much more to his value in my opinion

33 and 6/8”

Which is just as good as 33 and 3/4” any day.

[Jsteve01]

Another big plus for Nelson. His arms measured at 33 yesterday so he's in the range of the short end for prototypical tackle in arm length. With his athleticism I don't know that he couldn't play right tackle. So position flexibility adds that much more to his value in my opinion

33 and 6/8”

Which is just as good as 33 and 3/4” any day. I've been saying this but those guys who may be projecting a guard or Center that have that longer arm and have shown positional flexibility are really appealing to me. If for some reason Nelson isn't available when we draft in the first we should see somebody like Isaiah Wynn or Frank ragnow or Martina's Rankin available on day 2.

[CoachChaz]

Only improving his stock every day. Would love him in Denver, but Cleveland and Indy could make excellent arguments for drafting him at 3 or 4.

[G_Money]

I love how Q didn't get changed, didn't do anything before this interview. He gives his interviews like he's a rhino chewing cud. "So we did some stuff, worked on our lateral movement, it was fine. Can I please play football again so I get to gore some people?" There were a couple of interesting linemen today, but my opinion of Nelson hasn't changed at all. Whatever lineman we go with in the second or third round has a lot of ground to make up on Nelson.

We ARE drafting a great offensive lineman in this draft, right Elway?

[Nomad]

I love how Q didn't get changed, didn't do anything before this interview. He gives his interviews like he's a rhino chewing cud. "So we did some stuff, worked on our lateral movement, it was fine. Can I please play football again so I get to gore some people?" There were a couple of interesting linemen today, but my opinion of Nelson hasn't changed at all. Whatever lineman we go with in the second or third round has a lot of ground to make up on Nelson.

We ARE drafting a great offensive lineman in this draft, right Elway?

I've been on the Nelson bandwagon. I'll be very disappointed if he doesn't draft him.

[CoachChaz]

I've been on the Nelson bandwagon. I'll be very disappointed if he doesn't draft him.

I agree...but I also have a feeling Andrew Luck is saying he same things to Chris Ballard and Jim Irsay

[Nomad]

I agree...but I also have a feeling Andrew Luck is saying he same things to Chris Ballard and Jim Irsay

Andrew Luck is an intelligent guy.

[CoachChaz]

Andrew Luck is an intelligent guy.

Read a story that suggested Cleveland trading #1 and #4 to Indy for Luck. They get a franchise QB, Indy gets 3 of the top 4 draft picks taking Rosen, Barkley and Nelson.

[dogfish]

i'm on board for nelson, but i won't be mad if we end up with will hernandez instead. . . dude put up 37 reps, he's pretty beastly in his own right. . .

[CoachChaz]

i'm on board for nelson, but i won't be mad if we end up with will hernandez instead. . . dude put up 37 reps, he's pretty beastly in his own right. . .

Definitely. Isiah Wynn is another I'd be happy with

[dogfish]

Definitely. Isiah Wynn is another I'd be happy with

how far do you think the kid from ohio state will drop if he did tear his pec?

[CoachChaz]

how far do you think the kid from ohio state will drop if he did tear his pec?

Last I heard it was only a partial tear, which means he can probably be ready by training camp. So, while we cant expect his stock to rise between now and the draft...it probably wont slip a ton either.

[Jsteve01]

i'm on board for nelson, but i won't be mad if we end up with will hernandez instead. . . dude put up 37 reps, he's pretty beastly in his own right. . .

Definitely. Isiah Wynn is another I'd be happy with what about daniels? I like him with some positional flexibility as well

[Simple Jaded]

what about daniels? I like him with some positional flexibility as well

They’re saying Daniels can add a ton of weight because Ferentz purposely keeps his OL smaller to run Zone (sounds familiar don’t it?). 6-4/300 already, 34” arms.

[Poet]

Arm length is the most overrated thing sans a QB's hand size I've ever seen.

[Simple Jaded]

Arm length is the most overrated thing sans a QB's hand size I've ever seen.

Why don’t you go back to your home on whore island!

[dogfish]

Arm length is the most overrated thing sans a QB's hand size I've ever seen.

tell that to robert gallery. . .

[Simple Jaded]

tell that to robert gallery. . .

In every draft there’s a top T that has to move to G because of arm length, this it will be Conor Williams. The white guy last year, Brandon Scherff, usually a white guy but you get the point. It matters to the people making the decisions.

Kinger is just trying to cut me deep.

[Poet]

In every draft there’s a top T that has to move to G because of arm length, this it will be Conor Williams. The white guy last year, Brandon Scherff, usually a white guy but you get the point. It matters to the people making the decisions.

Kinger is just trying to cut me deep.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/does-arm-length-affect-ot-play

Bang bang!

I just caaaaaaaaaaaught me a booooooooooooooody!

[Jsteve01]

Arm length is the most overrated thing sans a QB's hand size I've ever seen.

tell that to robert gallery. . .

Exactly. Arm length does matter for tackles. You just typically cannot succeed at that position if your arms are shorter than 33 in.

[Poet]

Exactly. Arm length does matter for tackles. You just typically cannot succeed at that position if your arms are shorter than 33 in.

Please read that link.

[Simple Jaded]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/does-arm-length-affect-ot-play

Bang bang!

I just caaaaaaaaaaaught me a booooooooooooooody!

I’m not reading that, give me the Executive Time version.

Btw, Joe Thomas has 34” according to Ourlads.

[Poet]

Read the god damned data that you worthless pieces of shit. I don't look this stuff up for my own health, you ungrateful ingrates!

[dogfish]

cliff notes or G T F O, you nerd. . . :coffee:

[Poet]

The claim he makes is incorrect. The least you ****s could do is read a little. ******* savages!

[Simple Jaded]

I’m not a strong reader, more of a visual learner.

[Poet]

I’m not a strong reader, more of a visual learner.

This is why I hit you so much!

[Simple Jaded]

This is why I hit you so much!

Was it something I said?

[Poet]

Was it something I said?

No. I'm just abusive.

[Ziggy]

Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson on his mindset as a blocker: “I want to take away the opponent’s will to play the game.”

https://twitter.com/NickKosmider/status/969301391746445312

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Love that dude.

And this is how you do it....



https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/947920275328372736

[Jsteve01]

Was it something I said?

No. I'm just abusive.wow

[Poet]

wow

When my brother gets out of line I give him that discipline!

[slim]

Arm length is the most overrated thing sans a QB's hand size I've ever seen.

40 times aren't far behind.

[MOtorboat]

So what is this all about, an o-lineman?

[slim]

So what is this all about, an o-lineman?

Yes.

You are GM of the Broncos. Who do you pick at 5?

Go

[MOtorboat]

Yes.

You are GM of the Broncos. Who do you pick at 5?

Go

I've only researched the quarterbacks.

[slim]

I've only researched the quarterbacks.

You are a terrible GM!

[MOtorboat]

You are a terrible GM!

I'm Rosen or bust!

[Buff]

I'm Rosen or bust!

I think there might be a less than zero percent chance that our staunchly conservative front office takes the rich, entitled california lib who golfs in his **** Trump hat.

I like him - and I don't know that my judgment is fair - but I think when you combine that with the rap that his teammates don't like him -- I just don't see how he's a fit for us at 5.

[MOtorboat]

I think there might be a less than zero percent chance that our staunchly conservative front office takes the rich, entitled california lib who golfs in his **** Trump hat.

I like him - and I don't know that my judgment is fair - but I think when you combine that with the rap that his teammates don't like him -- I just don't see how he's a fit for us at 5.

You’re probably right. I don’t want 7 to get fired, though.

[slim]

I'm Rosen or bust!

Sounds redundant.

[Jsteve01]

I'm Rosen or bust!

Sounds redundant.ahaha well played

[Simple Jaded]

I think there might be a less than zero percent chance that our staunchly conservative front office takes the rich, entitled california lib who golfs in his **** Trump hat.

I like him - and I don't know that my judgment is fair - but I think when you combine that with the rap that his teammates don't like him -- I just don't see how he's a fit for us at 5.


You’re probably right. I don’t want 7 to get fired, though.

If this truly is the case Elway deserves to be fired. This regime can’t draft, that’s the trend, this coaching staff can’t develop, also the trend. They have no business passing on players for political reasons, they’re not that good.

This would be a good time for John Elway to show the world that he’s is no Bob McNair

[Ziggy]

Here's an idea that hasn't been tossed around. Nelson was recruited at Notre Dame to play left tackle. He was moved to left guard because McGlinchey turned out to be better than they thought. It's possible that a team drafts Nelson high and puts him in at left tackle. Let's say the Broncos get Nelson at 5 and trade up into the first and grab Hernandez. Bolles moves to right tackle and the line has just gone from horrible to darn good with two draft picks.

If it doesn't pan out, they could move Nelson back to guard and watch him make his way to the hall of fame at that position.

[CoachChaz]

Here's an idea that hasn't been tossed around. Nelson was recruited at Notre Dame to play left tackle. He was moved to left guard because McGlinchey turned out to be better than they thought. It's possible that a team drafts Nelson high and puts him in at left tackle. Let's say the Broncos get Nelson at 5 and trade up into the first and grab Hernandez. Bolles moves to right tackle and the line has just gone from horrible to darn good with two draft picks.

If it doesn't pan out, they could move Nelson back to guard and watch him make his way to the hall of fame at that position.

Nelson will be and should be a guard in the NFL. Period. End of story.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Nelson will be and should be a guard in the NFL. Period. End of story.

Which shouldn’t be undervalued. Larry Allen made the Cowboys offense go in the 90’s.

[CoachChaz]

Which shouldn’t be undervalued. Larry Allen made the Cowboys offense go in the 90’s.

7 of the top 10 PFF graded OL for 2017 were interior linemen (4 guards). And 15 of the top 25 were interior (10 guards)

[Poet]

7 of the top 10 PFF graded OL for 2017 were interior linemen (4 guards). And 15 of the top 25 were interior (10 guards)

I think that means it's easier to find good guard play than a tackle. That doesn't make taking a guard at wrong or bad, but bleh.

[dogfish]

I think that means it's easier to find good guard play than a tackle. That doesn't make taking a guard at wrong or bad, but bleh.

try thinking of him more as a terminator, and less as a guard. . .

[Poet]

try thinking of him more as a terminator, and less as a guard. . .

I don't mean to be a negative Nancy. I would probably love the pick on a 'value' level, and I don't have an issue with taking a guard that high. I just got the QB blues.

I will say, that unlike Cooper, the guy I bring up, this guy seems to not just be smart, but a sharper football mind, and he's just mean. Then again, I've only read the puff pieces on him, which are always just super positive anyway.

[dogfish]

here, watch him blow fools up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI5RXX3i9i4), it'll make you feel better about the situation. . . i worry about the Qbs too, but nelson will make life much easier for whoever it is for the next 12-15 years. . . this isn't a one-year rebuild, we need to get the best long-term prospects we can at every pick. . .

[Poet]

I'll watch but I'm trying to not talib what just happened.

[Poet]

here, watch him blow fools up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI5RXX3i9i4), it'll make you feel better about the situation. . . i worry about the Qbs too, but nelson will make life much easier for whoever it is for the next 12-15 years. . . this isn't a one-year rebuild, we need to get the best long-term prospects we can at every pick. . .
He starts off by listing three team building philosophies...two of them are wrong. The last one is most important - you won't get anywhere in the league with a bad line? Really? We can't think of numerous teams that are contenders who have bad lines, or contended once or twice with a bad one?

I get that he's making a point, but god damn it just bummed me out.

The Nelson is a ******* animal, though. That's a high end prospect and might be the best prospect in the entire ******* draft.

[Hawgdriver]

The Nelson is a ******* animal, though. That's a high end prospect and might be the best prospect in the entire ******* draft.

Bingo.

[Poet]

Bingo.

I retract my statement on the grounds that my nemesis agrees with me.

Hawg, my nightmare scenario is that we don't get Cousins, don't get a first round QB, and go into the year with Keenum as the starting QB and an offensive lineman at the five pick. Because, to be honest, we could not be any dumber (only considering somewhat viable options).

[Davii]

I retract my statement on the grounds that my nemesis agrees with me.

Hawg, my nightmare scenario is that we don't get Cousins, don't get a first round QB, and go into the year with Keenum as the starting QB and an offensive lineman at the five pick. Because, to be honest, we could not be any dumber (only considering somewhat viable options).

What if we didn't get Keenum but went with Trevor?

[Poet]

What if we didn't get Keenum but went with Trevor?

Then ******* kill me because I don't want to god damned live anymore.

[slim]

Then ******* kill me because I don't want to god damned live anymore.

Death by rodeo burger?

[Poet]

Death by rodeo burger?

Well, it would take more than one, but that's the spirit!

[Hawgdriver]

In my perfect world, we'd swap with Buffalo for 21 and 22 to pick up Hernandez and Rudolph.

[G_Money]

Will Hernandez really is all right with me.
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UTEP G Will Hernandez, who @MoveTheSticks has as the 25th best player in the draft, just said on @nflnetwork the 1 purchase he’ll make when he gets his first NFL check … one of those fancy toilets where you don’t have to use toilet paper. Said he doesn’t care how much it costs

[Poet]

In my perfect world, we'd swap with Buffalo for 21 and 22 to pick up Hernandez and Rudolph.

You just love being involved with QB's who aren't legitimate talents. You're sick.

[Hawgdriver]

You just love being involved with QB's who aren't legitimate talents. You're sick.

Won't it be crazy when Siemian fetches a higher draft pick than Talib?

[Poet]

Won't it be crazy when Siemian fetches a higher draft pick than Talib?
Good point. I assume we're getting the seventh rounder back on TS, maybe a sixth.

[Nomad]

King....you gonna get yourself a Nelson BRONCO jersey?

[Simple Jaded]

Good point. I assume we're getting the seventh rounder back on TS, maybe a sixth.

A 3rd, minimum. That’s what Browns gave up for Tyrod.

[Poet]

King....you gonna get yourself a Nelson BRONCO jersey?

If we draft him because we signed Cousins, then sure thing! If we draft him with no KC, and signed some shitter like Keenum as our starter, then I'll be too sad.

Truth be told Atwater is the next jersey I expect to purchase.

[Poet]

A 3rd, minimum. That’s what Browns gave up for Tyrod.

Tyrod Taylor is significantly better than TS at the game of football. TS, is without a shadow of a doubt, one of the worst overall players in the game. Tyrod is an average QB. Don't you ever disrespect TT again, you monster!

[Nomad]

If we draft him because we signed Cousins, then sure thing! If we draft him with no KC, and signed some shitter like Keenum as our starter, then I'll be too sad.

Truth be told Atwater is the next jersey I expect to purchase.

You'll get excited when Nelson is body slamming LBs to the ground paving the way for our RBs.

[Poet]

You'll get excited when Nelson is body slamming LBs to the ground paving the way for our RBs.

In the sad scenario, his impact on the field will mean nothing. If the QB is bad, the OL means nothing.

[Simple Jaded]

Tyrod Taylor is significantly better than TS at the game of football. TS, is without a shadow of a doubt, one of the worst overall players in the game. Tyrod is an average QB. Don't you ever disrespect TT again, you monster!

No he isn’t. They’re both average.

[Simple Jaded]

Tyrod Taylor might be the 2nd most overrated QB in BF history.

#ThankGodForTheBrowns

[Nomad]

In the sad scenario, his impact on the field will mean nothing. If the QB is bad, the OL means nothing.

Positive thinking, my friend!! :) BRONCOS gonna be back.

[Hawgdriver]

Positive thinking, my friend!! :) BRONCOS gonna be back.

I can't wait for 2019 either.

[Nomad]

I can't wait for 2019 either.

Damn skippy. Playoffs 2019. :D

[Hawgdriver]

Damn skippy. Playoffs 2019. :D

GEM and I'll will have whatever he's having.

[Nomad]

GEM and I'll will have whatever he's having.

Glacier Brewhouse Imperial Blonde :D

[Poet]

No he isn’t. They’re both average.

TS isn't average - he was always shit. He will always be shit.

TS, in his 'rookie' year, lol, was 28th overall in production. Because he's trash and has no ability.

Then last year he was so bad even his ardent supporters had to admit that he was garbage.

Tyrod is at least middle of the pack. TS can't even complete 60% of his passes. You know who else couldn't do that? Tebow!

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[Nomad]

TS isn't average - he was always shit. He will always be shit.

TS, in his 'rookie' year, lol, was 28th overall in production. Because he's trash and has no ability.

Then last year he was so bad even his ardent supporters had to admit that he was garbage.

Tyrod is at least middle of the pack. TS can't even complete 60% of his passes. You know who else couldn't do that? Tebow!

#gooddaysir
#Isaygoodday
#Isaidgooddaysir
#magiccarpetride
#beatupjaded
#jadedhasfaded
#thatboydead
#ohlawd
#hashtag
#style
#thestyle
#styledon
#ThestyleDon
#broughtiback
#dontyoueverrunuponme
#Simieanaintwinian
#yashistrash
#throwback
#thatboystilldead
#thisiswhywehityou
#taghash
#neverdonnadanceagain
#guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm
#bakerstreet
#Roxanne
#youdonthavetoputonthatredlight
#jadedputontheredlight
#moonwalk
#impissedoff
#whathaveIbecome
#mysweetestfriend
#whereisBroncowave
#stylebros
#Tyrodhasheart
#TSisashart
#Northmanisaviking
#Ineedhelp

Good job, sir, on the hashtags. :D

[Poet]

Good job, sir, on the hashtags. :D

Jaded is my favorite poster because he lets me be goofy as **** while still talking Broncos football.

He is stylefamily.

[Simple Jaded]

Tyrod Taylor is an ideal backup/ average starter, (aside from above average mobility) he is thoroughly average in every way.

#JustLikeTS
#44and43AsAStarter
#ItsScience
#WasItSomethingISaid?
#YouCompleteMe
#DontYouForgetAboutMe

[Poet]

TS is closer to Tebow than he is to Tyrod.

He can't even get 60% of his passes, which is almost impossible.

[Nomad]

TS is closer to Tebow than he is to Tyrod.

He can't even get 60% of his passes, which is almost impossible.

I thought you were a big fan of Trevor last year?

[Hawgdriver]

Yeah, Tyrod, Eli, and TS are all the same guy.

[Hawgdriver]

I thought you were a big fan of Trevor last year?

He still is. He's conflicted.

[Poet]

I thought you were a big fan of Trevor last year?

God no. I was about the only one in the offseason who was impaling the horrid pro TS arguments. Just me vs an entire board.

I put him as my avatar as a joke during the nice start, but got shouted down when I was he was overachieving during that streak, and was still shit. By about week eight no one contested that he was utter shit.

Tyrod is a legitimate starter in the league. TS should barely be in the league, if at all. There's a massive difference between Taylor and TS.

[Poet]

Yeah, Tyrod, Eli, and TS are all the same guy.

For someone who is as good with numbers as you are, you sure do ignore them when you want to push my buttons.

Monster!

[Simple Jaded]

Tyrod Taylor has had plenty of talent around him, even on the OL, yet he’s been benched as many times as TS.

[Simple Jaded]

The Jets, baby, gimme dem 3rd round picks. They love TS, they got Dennison and that one guy that used to coach for Shanny ... and run the WCO.

The HC is in the same Win-now sitch as Hubert Jackson in Cleveland.

I’m gettin a chubby.

Make it happen Elway, you have your marching orders.

[dogfish]

I thought you were a big fan of Trevor last year?

:lol::lol::lol:

[dogfish]

TS isn't average - he was always shit. He will always be shit.

TS, in his 'rookie' year, lol, was 28th overall in production. Because he's trash and has no ability.

Then last year he was so bad even his ardent supporters had to admit that he was garbage.

Tyrod is at least middle of the pack. TS can't even complete 60% of his passes. You know who else couldn't do that? Tebow!

#gooddaysir
#Isaygoodday
#Isaidgooddaysir
#magiccarpetride
#beatupjaded
#jadedhasfaded
#thatboydead
#ohlawd
#hashtag
#style
#thestyle
#styledon
#ThestyleDon
#broughtiback
#dontyoueverrunuponme
#Simieanaintwinian
#yashistrash
#throwback
#thatboystilldead
#thisiswhywehityou
#taghash
#neverdonnadanceagain
#guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm
#bakerstreet
#Roxanne
#youdonthavetoputonthatredlight
#jadedputontheredlight
#moonwalk
#impissedoff
#whathaveIbecome
#mysweetestfriend
#whereisBroncowave
#stylebros
#Tyrodhasheart
#TSisashart
#Northmanisaviking
#Ineedhelp

NTL gonna drop the hammer on you for excessive hashtagging. . . watch yer back, foolio!

[dogfish]

Tyrod Taylor has had plenty of talent around him, even on the OL, yet he’s been benched as many times as TS.

#TyrodTerrible

[Poet]

NTL gonna drop the hammer on you for excessive hashtagging. . . watch yer back, foolio!

I'm allowed a little silliness every now and again.

I don't think this is the safest pick in the draft, though.

[Timmy!]

The Jets, baby, gimme dem 3rd round picks. They love TS, they got Dennison and that one guy that used to coach for Shanny ... and run the WCO.

The HC is in the same Win-now sitch as Hubert Jackson in Cleveland.

I’m gettin a chubby.

Make it happen Elway, you have your marching orders.

Lol@ getting a 3rd for TS.

#hoppedthewhale

[Poet]

Tyrod Taylor has had plenty of talent around him, even on the OL, yet he’s been benched as many times as TS.

Look at Tyrod's numbers and then apologize to me, monster.

Both those fools suck more than Rosen, who is the safest pick in the draft.