The Safest Pick in the 2018 NFL Draft

[Hawgdriver]

Lol@ getting a 3rd for TS.

#hoppedthewhale

Probably a 4th.

[dogfish]

Lol@ getting a 3rd for TS.

#hoppedthewhale

#HumpedTheManatee

[Ziggy]

Lol@ getting a 3rd for TS.

#hoppedthewhale

I assumed that the third round pick comment was a joke. Say it was Jaded, and save what's left of your reputation.

[Nomad]

God no. I was about the only one in the offseason who was impaling the horrid pro TS arguments. Just me vs an entire board.

I put him as my avatar as a joke during the nice start, but got shouted down when I was he was overachieving during that streak, and was still shit. By about week eight no one contested that he was utter shit.

Tyrod is a legitimate starter in the league. TS should barely be in the league, if at all. There's a massive difference between Taylor and TS.

Oh. I must be confusing you with someone else.

Trevor is a nice guy, though.

[Nomad]

:lol::lol::lol:


Yeah. Pie in my face. :D

[Poet]

Trevor's a piece of shit.

Nelson is not a piece of shit. He's a grown ass man.

[dogfish]

Oh. I must be confusing you with someone else.

Trevor is a nice guy, though.

king hates trevor like a preacher hates sin. . . :D

[Timmy!]

Probably a 4th.

I'd take a 7th, an orange peel, a half eaten bologna sandwich and 3 used staples.

[Nomad]

Trevor's a piece of shit.

Nelson is not a piece of shit. He's a grown ass man.

Nelson would squash you like the Hulk.

[Poet]

king hates trevor like a preacher hates sin. . . :D

You mother ******s stood against me! It was me versus an entire board!

I will say this - to get it back on track - If nothing else, Nelson being drafted would probably be a strict adherence to BPA. I think only one or two guys could claim to be the best talent in the draft.

[Hawgdriver]

I'd take a 7th, an orange peel, a half eaten bologna sandwich and 3 used staples.

What if TS ate the other half? Deal breaker?

[Poet]

Nelson would squash you like the Hulk.

I'd hire Hawg for the lawsuit.

[Timmy!]

What if TS ate the other half? Deal breaker?

He's gonna have to come up with a bogo beef and cheddar coupon.

[Nomad]

I'd hire Hawg for the lawsuit.

Rosen looks fragile. #boom

[Poet]

Rosen looks fragile. #boom

No. He looks like a future all-pro QB.

[Timmy!]

He looks like a dingus. Then again, so did Peyton.

[Poet]

He looks like a dingus. Then again, so did Peyton.

Dingus Bowl!

[MOtorboat]

You mother ******s stood against me! It was me versus an entire board!

I will say this - to get it back on track - If nothing else, Nelson being drafted would probably be a strict adherence to BPA. I think only one or two guys could claim to be the best talent in the draft.

**** you.

[MOtorboat]

Also slick says King sorry.

[Timmy!]

For the record, I'm on record for saying I liked Trevor.....as a backup QB. I hoped Lynch would win the job. Whole board. Lol.

[Poet]

**** you.

You came in later. They beat me to death. I was the sacrifice that wouldn't die!

[Simple Jaded]

Lol@ getting a 3rd for TS.

#hoppedthewhale

No, no, no ... this is legit.

[Simple Jaded]

I assumed that the third round pick comment was a joke. Say it was Jaded, and save what's left of your reputation.

Actually, I said 3rd round minimum.

[Jsteve01]

king hates trevor like a preacher hates sin. . . :D

You mother ******s stood against me! It was me versus an entire board!

I will say this - to get it back on track - If nothing else, Nelson being drafted would probably be a strict adherence to BPA. I think only one or two guys could claim to be the best talent in the draft.

Nelson, Barkley and perhaps Chubb. That's the problem with this quarterback group. They all have their warts.

[Davii]

He still is. He's conflicted.

It's puzzling

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

If we get a 3rd for Trevor I’ll streak. You all have my word.

[CoachChaz]

Nelson, Barkley and perhaps Chubb. That's the problem with this quarterback group. They all have their warts.

That is because the QB is the most scrutinized...and rightfully so. But if you look just as hard at other prospects, you can find their issues as well.

[BroncoWave]

TS isn't average - he was always shit. He will always be shit.

TS, in his 'rookie' year, lol, was 28th overall in production. Because he's trash and has no ability.

Then last year he was so bad even his ardent supporters had to admit that he was garbage.

Tyrod is at least middle of the pack. TS can't even complete 60% of his passes. You know who else couldn't do that? Tebow!

#gooddaysir
#Isaygoodday
#Isaidgooddaysir
#magiccarpetride
#beatupjaded
#jadedhasfaded
#thatboydead
#ohlawd
#hashtag
#style
#thestyle
#styledon
#ThestyleDon
#broughtiback
#dontyoueverrunuponme
#Simieanaintwinian
#yashistrash
#throwback
#thatboystilldead
#thisiswhywehityou
#taghash
#neverdonnadanceagain
#guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm
#bakerstreet
#Roxanne
#youdonthavetoputonthatredlight
#jadedputontheredlight
#moonwalk
#impissedoff
#whathaveIbecome
#mysweetestfriend
#whereisBroncowave
#stylebros
#Tyrodhasheart
#TSisashart
#Northmanisaviking
#Ineedhelp

This is poetry.

[Poet]

This is poetry.

It hurt me to do that to Jaded, but when one of us gets out of line the others must give discipline!

[slim]

You mother ******s stood against me! It was me versus an entire board!

I will say this - to get it back on track - If nothing else, Nelson being drafted would probably be a strict adherence to BPA. I think only one or two guys could claim to be the best talent in the draft.

How soon some forget those that stood shoulder-to-shoulder with them.

You are a terrible person and I hate you.

[Poet]

How soon some forget those that stood shoulder-to-shoulder with them.

You are a terrible person and I hate you.

You didn't pay the price! You didnt' stand in that thread! You didn't eat the ridicule from people who didn't understand the statistically horrid comparisons they made! You didn't bleed like me!

You came in later! I was the first man and the last man! #nevergonnadanceagain #guiltypostinghasnorhythm

[BroncoJoe]

Trevor will be our starting QB again in 2018.

:couch:

[Poet]

Trevor will be our starting QB again in 2018.

:couch:

NooOOOOOOOoOooooOOOOooOOoooOOOooO!

[BroncoJoe]

NooOOOOOOOoOooooOOOOooOOoooOOOooO!

You should be careful. I read somewhere that there are more heart attacks today than any other day in the year.

[Poet]

You should be careful. I read somewhere that there are more heart attacks today than any other day in the year.

Good point. I'll reduce it/dial it back a bit, ahem: nooo.

[MOtorboat]

You should be careful. I read somewhere that there are more heart attacks today than any other day in the year.

On the day that people find out Trevor Siemian is named the starter for their favorite football team?

[BroncoJoe]

On the day that people find out Trevor Siemian is named the starter for their favorite football team?

Maybe. Although I think it has to do more with Daylight Savings Time.

[Poet]

Maybe. Although I think it has to do more with Daylight Savings Time.

I think I would rather eat a true salad a day than to watch TS start for us again. He's worse than Tebow and is stupid.

[BroncoJoe]

I think I would rather eat a true salad a day than to watch TS start for us again. He's worse than Tebow and is stupid.

You're a brute.

[Poet]

You're a brute.

I hate bad QB's.

[BroncoJoe]

I hate bad QB's.

Don't limit yourself. You hate everyone. You're basically Rex and/or Buff. But slightly more lovable.

[Poet]

Don't limit yourself. You hate everyone. You're basically Rex and/or Buff. But slightly more lovable.

I don't hate you.

[Jsteve01]

Don't limit yourself. You hate everyone. You're basically Rex and/or Buff. But slightly more lovable.

I don't hate you.


Hmmm and me?

[Poet]

Hmmm and me?

You are my brother. You're awful at picking QB's, but you are my brother.

[Ziggy]

After signing Keenum, the dream lives on.

[Poet]

After signing Keenum, the dream lives on.

Ziggy, you're one of my favorites.

[Jsteve01]

Hmmm and me?

You are my brother. You're awful at picking QB's, but you are my brother.

Man we are going to have to drag this thread out in 3 years when Rosen is continuing the family ice dancing legacy and Keenum is another Kurt Warner.

[Poet]

Man we are going to have to drag this thread out in 3 years when Rosen is continuing the family ice dancing legacy and Keenum is another Kurt Warner.

1. If he wants to do ice dancing in the offseason, who cares.

2. Keenum shouldn't be mocked for his future career as an analyst. I'm sure he'll be good at it.

3. You're a bad person and smell even worse!

[Jsteve01]

Man we are going to have to drag this thread out in 3 years when Rosen is continuing the family ice dancing legacy and Keenum is another Kurt Warner.

1. If he wants to do ice dancing in the offseason, who cares.

2. Keenum shouldn't be mocked for his future career as an analyst. I'm sure he'll be good at it.

3. You're a bad person and smell even worse!
Well I have to admit I just got weird looks from the neighbors because I was walking up my driveway reading this and laughing like a crazy man

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Must get

[Hawgdriver]

I haven't heard much about Derwin James, Roquan, or the SMU WR Sutton (6'4" 218 4.54)...anyone have an opinion on these guys at 5? CBS has them at top 5 or so. Above Barkley if you can believe that.

[dogfish]

I haven't heard much about Derwin James, Roquan, or the SMU WR Sutton (6'4" 218 4.54)...anyone have an opinion on these guys at 5? CBS has them at top 5 or so. Above Barkley if you can believe that.

no, no, and no. . . nelson, chubb, or a QB-- or G T F O. . . i would be down with james at #12 if we traded with buffalo. . .

[Hawgdriver]

no, no, and no. . . nelson, chubb, or a QB-- or G T F O. . . i would be down with james at #12 if we traded with buffalo. . .

I'm not sure about Chubb, but I'll take your word for it. I'm still all in on Nelson, but cool with Rosen, Mayfield, or Darnold. These other guys look like potential pro-bowlers, but man, Nelson seems like the ideal pick with a coaching staff in potential transition and a need to upgrade offensive line play. Best guard prospect ever, if you believe some of these scouting reports.

[dogfish]

I'm not sure about Chubb, but I'll take your word for it. I'm still all in on Nelson, but cool with Rosen, Mayfield, or Darnold. These other guys look like potential pro-bowlers, but man, Nelson seems like the ideal pick with a coaching staff in potential transition and a need to upgrade offensive line play. Best guard prospect ever, if you believe some of these scouting reports.

i like chubb, but not 100% sold either. . . nelson is my guy if we pick at five. . . though i wouldn't argue with a QB. . .


honestly, i just wanna watch the big guy maul people. . . i love nasty OLs, and as somebody else said earlier, this dude makes bolles look like a cub scout. . .

[Timmy!]

Nelllssooonnnnn

[Simple Jaded]

i like chubb, but not 100% sold either. . . nelson is my guy if we pick at five. . . though i wouldn't argue with a QB. . .


honestly, i just wanna watch the big guy maul people. . . i love nasty OLs, and as somebody else said earlier, this dude makes bolles look like a cub scout. . .

Nelson is everything that’s right about football.

[Hawgdriver]

This went deeper into a rabbit hole than I expected, but I'll share if anyone is interested.

The Broncos are in a position to pick up a value QB after the first round. Sure, 18 of the 32 starters in the league (counted Cutler/Tannehill as 1) are top 15 draft selections, but are they really elite? You decide:

Name, w/l record

Matt Ryan 95-63
Cam Newton 62-45
Mitchell Trubisky n/a
Matthew Stafford 60-65
Blame Bortles 21-40
Patrick Mahomes n/a
Philip Rivers 106-86
Jay Cutler 74-79
Eli Manning 111-103
Jameis Winston 18-27
Marcus Mariota 20-22
Deshaun Watson n/a
Jared Goff 11-11
Carson Wentz 18-11
Andrew Luck (?) 43-27
Sam Bradford 34-45
Ryan Tannehill 37-40
Alex Smith 88-62
Roethlisberger 135-63

Since Eli came into the league in 2004, there have been 8 others drafted by pick 15 (RG3, Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, JaMarcus, V Young, Leinart, and Sanchez) who are clearly not elite.

So the equation is pretty simple. Pick the number of QBs from that list you would like to be your face of the franchise, and divide that number by 27. That's your recent odds of finding your guy in the first 15 picks. For me, it's 9/27, or 33%.

How many QB's drafted from 16 through udfa would you want as FOTF?

In that same period, there have been 138 QBs drafted (not counting udfa). Only a handful have panned out:

Rodgers*
Wilson
Carr
Dalton
Schaub
Anderson
Bridgewater*
Cassel
Cousins
Foles
Prescott
Taylor
Flacco*
Fitzpatrick
Orton
Campbell*
Freeman
Henne
Kaepernick
Tavaris
Weeden*
Losman
Geno Smith
Brock Oz
Trevor Siemian
Garoppolo

*1st round

Lot of scrubs in that list, those are the best of those 135. 5/135 have made it to two pro bowls. A few look promising, like Cousins and Prescott. Flacco has never made a pro bowl, but has started for 10 years. If you are generous, that's a 10% FOTF hit rate.

Just for comparison, let's look at guards.

4 selected pick 1-15
50% 2+ year pro bowlers

176 selected pick 16+
7% 2+ year pro bowlers (8/12 of those were 1st round picks)

percentage of 1st round picks that were not pro bowlers ever: 45%
percentage that were not 6+ AV starters: a couple. Take a look. (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2004&year_max=2016&draft_slot_min=16&draft_slot_max=500&pick_type=overall&pos%5B%5D=g&conference=any&show=all&order_by=pro_bowls)

Having a franchise QB is more important than having a pro-bowl guard. If it's a 33% chance of getting a franchise QB (70% chance of essentially wasting your pick and spinning your wheels since he's not the guy), or 50% chance of getting a pro-bowl guard/40% chance of getting a quality starter...which one is correct? I'm not really sure, in a generic draft year, so I'm ok with the QB pick this year if they did their research (they obviously didn't do research with Brock and Paxton).

But this year it seems like those probabilities are not appropriate. No one really knows which of these QBs is most likely to become a franchise guy. But nearly everyone concedes Nelson has the look of a guy that will make an immediate impact and likely become a pro bowl fixture. I have no problem if the Broncos take a QB, but I have a preference for the higher probability play of making whichever QB plays for the Broncos that much better by drafting Nelson. Pick up a value QB when you can.

[Simple Jaded]

There’s actually two QB’s in this draft that aren’t a fish outta water in the Broncos WCO, or a pro system period, that’s approximately 2 more than in your typical draft. This IS the year to do it.

My heart tells me Nelson, regardless of draft slot, but my brain tells me Rosen/Allen. You could even make an argument for Mayfield, I have a feeling he’s the Prescott outlier, if not physically gifted. Darnold too, he’s a playmaker that needs time to develop, he’s 20-years-old.

[CoachChaz]

I've been a proponent of Nelson since December, but I wouldn't argue with Fitzpatrick, either (assuming a non QB selection). The more I watch him, the more I see a Swiss Army knife. He can be a shut down corner...or a slot corner...or a dime corner...he plays both safety positions flawlessly...he blitzes well out of the slot...he's not afraid to mix it up in the run game...and he does this weird thing we haven't seen in a while...he covers TE's. He can basically used at all 6 secondary positions as well as a hybrid LB. And plays all of them very well.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I've been a proponent of Nelson since December, but I wouldn't argue with Fitzpatrick, either (assuming a non QB selection). The more I watch him, the more I see a Swiss Army knife. He can be a shut down corner...or a slot corner...or a dime corner...he plays both safety positions flawlessly...he blitzes well out of the slot...he's not afraid to mix it up in the run game...and he does this weird thing we haven't seen in a while...he covers TE's. He can basically used at all 6 secondary positions as well as a hybrid LB. And plays all of them very well.
Ramsey?

[G_Money]

I've been a proponent of Nelson since December, but I wouldn't argue with Fitzpatrick, either (assuming a non QB selection). The more I watch him, the more I see a Swiss Army knife. He can be a shut down corner...or a slot corner...or a dime corner...he plays both safety positions flawlessly...he blitzes well out of the slot...he's not afraid to mix it up in the run game...and he does this weird thing we haven't seen in a while...he covers TE's. He can basically used at all 6 secondary positions as well as a hybrid LB. And plays all of them very well.

Fitzpatrick is a beast. The way the draft is falling it's playing out a lot like the first few picks of the 99 draft.

11889

Bunch of QBs, extremely highly-touted RB... swap a lineman in there and that's about where this draft is.

And then at the end of that you've got a CB who could lock it down for a decade. If you're rebuilding the No Fly Zone, he's your guy. Like you said, he can do basically anything. He mixes versatility with top-shelf skill. If you wanted another shot at Champ Bailey, and a replacement for Talib, this is your shot. Problem is we saw what happened with Champ Bailey going to waste.

I won't be unhappy if Denver manages to land Fitzpatrick, depending on the circumstance. How you gonna be upset about landing an All-Pro skillset who would be tutored by the swiss-army-knife-in-chief of the No Fly Zone, Chris Harris?

But it would leave other gaping holes. That's the problem with screwing up the draft multiple years in a row and blowing top picks on worthless QBs: it means you have multiple holes to fill.

[G_Money]

To reiterate: Denver needs to get this right.

https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/975813831124398080

[Simple Jaded]

To be fair, Elway lost a few players from those drafts that were homeruns they couldn’t afford to keep. At least early on.

[Simple Jaded]

Fitzpatrick is a beast. The way the draft is falling it's playing out a lot like the first few picks of the 99 draft.

11889

Bunch of QBs, extremely highly-touted RB... swap a lineman in there and that's about where this draft is.

And then at the end of that you've got a CB who could lock it down for a decade. If you're rebuilding the No Fly Zone, he's your guy. Like you said, he can do basically anything. He mixes versatility with top-shelf skill. If you wanted another shot at Champ Bailey, and a replacement for Talib, this is your shot. Problem is we saw what happened with Champ Bailey going to waste.

I won't be unhappy if Denver manages to land Fitzpatrick, depending on the circumstance. How you gonna be upset about landing an All-Pro skillset who would be tutored by the swiss-army-knife-in-chief of the No Fly Zone, Chris Harris?

But it would leave other gaping holes. That's the problem with screwing up the draft multiple years in a row and blowing top picks on worthless QBs: it means you have multiple holes to fill.

Ugh, the Broncos also had a ton of picks in the ‘99 Draft and ended up with Al Wilson to show for it, that was the beginning of the end of Shanatan imo.

Let’s hope history is not repeating.

#TravisMcGriff
#NeverForget

[Poet]

Ugh.

[Buff]

https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/976261593695707137

[dogfish]

boom!!

#MashFacesIn'18

[Poet]

Running the ball when you're about to be 7-9...oh it's good all the time...except when you're behind...and and you can't be keen(um) on your QB to let the offense shine.

Hemingway wrote that, bitches.

[Buff]

The fact that we're likely to suck next year is all the more reason to load up in the trenches IMO... If you're 1-2 players away from a championship, don't take a guard... If your o-line has been a dumpster fire for multiple years in a row, maybe you think about it.

https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/976268382478757888

[Poet]

We're going to get us some 6-8 wins, Buff. You feel me, baby?

[Buff]

We're going to get us some 6-8 wins, Buff. You feel me, baby?

No. Stop posting.

[dogfish]

Running the ball when you're about to be 7-9...oh it's good all the time...except when you're behind...and and you can't be keen(um) on your QB to let the offense shine.

Hemingway wrote that, bitches.

i believe he was also the one who said "rookie QB = super bowl". . .

#MashFacesIn'18
#CryAboutIt

[Poet]

Unfortunately, we've seen far too many examples of a team with a strong defense take a rookie QB and make an actual roster/run at it for that to be much of a counterargument.
#Ravenssayhi
#Steelerstoo
#EventheJetsdidthis
#ohshitSeattleevenwonaplayoffgamelikethat
#Istillloveyou
#Idontmeantobegrumpybutmygirlfriendmightbereallysi ck
#Istillunloadedtheclip

[Buff]

Unfortunately, we've seen far too many examples of a team with a strong defense take a rookie QB and make an actual roster/run at it for that to be much of a counterargument.
#Ravenssayhi
#Steelerstoo
#EventheJetsdidthis
#ohshitSeattleevenwonaplayoffgamelikethat
#Istillloveyou
#Idontmeantobegrumpybutmygirlfriendmightbereallysi ck
#Istillunloadedtheclip

#JFEownsyoursoul
#CaseKeenum4Life
#DraftingALineman
#HopeYourGFisGood
#Rodeocheeseburger

[SmilinAssasSin27]

And they all had exceptional olines.

[Poet]

#JFEownsyoursoul
#CaseKeenum4Life
#DraftingALineman
#HopeYourGFisGood
#Rodeocheeseburger

#Iamstillrightthough
#broadofyouhashtaggnglikeyouarenotahoe
#thankyou
#BKlyfeweherenow

[Poet]

And they all had exceptional olines.

Exactly! So draft the god damned lineman, too. There are multiple OL that people are clamoring over, not just the guard. Leary at LG is great. Paradis is a good center. Bolles will be better. There aren't right tackles in the draft? No right guards?

[slim]

No. Stop posting.

He was a pretend Bronco fan for two whole years.

[Poet]

He was a pretend Bronco fan for two whole years.

That's unfair and untrue, Slim. I see what I must do now.

[dogfish]

Unfortunately, we've seen far too many examples of a team with a strong defense take a rookie QB and make an actual roster/run at it for that to be much of a counterargument.
#Ravenssayhi
#Steelerstoo
#EventheJetsdidthis
#ohshitSeattleevenwonaplayoffgamelikethat
#Istillloveyou
#Idontmeantobegrumpybutmygirlfriendmightbereallysi ck
#Istillunloadedtheclip

yea, but we don't have wade anymore-- and we stopped talibing. . . hope the GF is okay. . .

[Poet]

yea, but we don't have wade anymore-- and we stopped talibing. . . hope the GF is okay. . .

Thank you. I've been a little rude as of late, and I know and should be better. I'm now going on a positive kick from here on out, Fishingly Fisherton.

[Simple Jaded]

... I'm now going on a positive kick from here on out...

Ugh, barf.

[Hawgdriver]

We get it all sorted out? I hope they take an impact player to replace Latimer. Those 2d rounder special teams aces/heroes from western novels don't come around every year.

[G_Money]

Daily reminder: still want this guy.

https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/949814568708136960

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Daily reminder: still want this guy.

https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/949814568708136960

I can never seem to watch that just once

[dogfish]

Thank you. I've been a little rude as of late, and I know and should be better. I'm now going on a positive kick from here on out, Fishingly Fisherton.

it's all good. . . i don't think anyone expects or wants you to turn into frey. . . just try to cry a little less, okay?

:D

[dogfish]

back on topic. . .

#MashFacesIn'18
#NelsonForPresident

[Ziggy]

Let me add to that:

CuCivHHPK0U

[Nomad]

That game was disappointing for my Tigers. :tsk:

With that said.....I'm all in on the Nelson train.

[Poet]

Ugh, barf.

I'm positive that you're a bad person!

[Poet]

That game was disappointing for my Tigers. :tsk:

With that said.....I'm all in on the Nelson train.

We goin' run our way to 8-8! Run our way, what do ya say? :D

If we took Nelson, I would be happy because a lot of people here on this board would be happy.

[Nomad]

We goin' run our way to 8-8! Run our way, what do ya say? :D

If we took Nelson, I would be happy because a lot of people here on this board would be happy.

I thought Denver was gonna suck anyway as long as VJ was at the helm. I keep hearing this.

Nelson is gonna make everyone else better. If the BRONCOS don't want him, then I'm sure Andrew Luck would be glad to have Nelson protecting him.

[Poet]

I thought Denver was gonna suck anyway as long as VJ was at the helm. I keep hearing this.

Nelson is gonna make everyone else better. If the BRONCOS don't want him, then I'm sure Andrew Luck would be glad to have Nelson protecting him.

He's going to make everyone happy on the board. That's enough for me. I'm in a more positive approach.

[Nomad]

He's going to make everyone happy on the board. That's enough for me. I'm in a more positive approach.

I'll support whoever the Broncos draft because that player will be a Denver Bronco. I may, or may not, like it at first

Do you believe VJ gets better, or is he gonna have a repeat of last year?

[Poet]

I'll support whoever the Broncos draft because that player will be a Denver Bronco. I may, or may not, like it at first

Do you believe VJ gets better, or is he gonna have a repeat of last year?

Oh, I'll support any Bronco. I supported TS, for instance and prayed he did well.

I think he will get better. If that's enough improvement is anyone's guess.

[slim]

I'll support whoever the Broncos draft because that player will be a Denver Bronco. I may, or may not, like it at first

Do you believe VJ gets better, or is he gonna have a repeat of last year?

You are really trying hard to find someone that thinks VJ will get better :D

[Nomad]

Oh, I'll support any Bronco. I supported TS, for instance and prayed he did well.

I think he will get better. If that's enough improvement is anyone's guess.

Why is MO such a big Mayfield fanatic?

[Nomad]

You are really trying hard to find someone that thinks VJ will get better :D

Trying to be positive.

[Poet]

Why is MO such a big Mayfield fanatic?

He doesn't believe in the kid's mental acumen or mindset. To his point, if BM doesn't have that going for him, his grit, arm talent, mobility, and work ethic won't mean much.

[Simple Jaded]

Daily reminder: still want this guy.

https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/949814568708136960

This is football porn.

[Simple Jaded]

Let me add to that:

CuCivHHPK0U

Is it just me or did he give that Spartan at :45 some beef Stew?

[Simple Jaded]

I'm positive that you're a bad person!

Confirmed.

[MOtorboat]

Why is MO such a big Mayfield fanatic?

Gut feeling. Plus he's a midget with less of an arm than the other top quarterbacks, bad footwork and I question his decision making, especially in the heat of the moment. I want my blockheads to play defense.

[Simple Jaded]

Gut feeling. Plus he's a midget with less of an arm than the other top quarterbacks, bad footwork and I question his decision making, especially in the heat of the moment. I want my blockheads to play defense.

Soon as they draft him let’s start the “Switch Mayfield to S” narrative, we haven’t had one of those in ages.

[MOtorboat]

Soon as they draft him let’s start the “Switch Mayfield to S” narrative, we haven’t had one of those in ages.

Oh, so you want to Eric Crouch and Scott Frost him?

Interesting idea.

[Simple Jaded]

Oh, so you want to Eric Crouch and Scott Frost him?

Interesting idea.

Not quite as bold as Champ Bailey-ing him but let’s be honest ... Baker Mayfield.

[chazoe60]

Fitzpatrick is a beast. The way the draft is falling it's playing out a lot like the first few picks of the 99 draft.

11889

Bunch of QBs, extremely highly-touted RB... swap a lineman in there and that's about where this draft is.

And then at the end of that you've got a CB who could lock it down for a decade. If you're rebuilding the No Fly Zone, he's your guy. Like you said, he can do basically anything. He mixes versatility with top-shelf skill. If you wanted another shot at Champ Bailey, and a replacement for Talib, this is your shot. Problem is we saw what happened with Champ Bailey going to waste.

I won't be unhappy if Denver manages to land Fitzpatrick, depending on the circumstance. How you gonna be upset about landing an All-Pro skillset who would be tutored by the swiss-army-knife-in-chief of the No Fly Zone, Chris Harris?

But it would leave other gaping holes. That's the problem with screwing up the draft multiple years in a row and blowing top picks on worthless QBs: it means you have multiple holes to fill.

The problem I will have if we draft Fitzpatrick is that all I'll be able to think about is the fact that when the season ended we had one of the best CBs on the planet AND the 5th overall pick in the draft and now we have a rookie CB. Oh, and we still have shitty OL.

[Poet]

The safest pick listed here isn't safe. If he's just a good guard, it was a bad pick. The position you play matters, and no team does a strict BPA otherwise we'd see more kickers in the first round, for instance.

At worst case for any team taking him is he turns into the next Jonathan Cooper. No one remembers Cooper, but he was the last guard that was 'the best prospect ever' and 'the type of guard that is worth taking in the top ten'.

[slim]

Kickers. Lol

[MOtorboat]

Kickers. Lol

Right? Like fullbacks.

[slim]

Right? Like fullbacks.

FB are at least players. Kickers are not.

Also, Howard Griffith would like a word with you.

[MOtorboat]

FB are at least players. Kickers are not.

Also, Howard Griffith would like a word with you.

That was 20 years ago. Also, kickers have more of an impact than fullbacks. Fact.

[slim]

That was 20 years ago. Also, kickers have more of an impact than fullbacks. Fact.

I'm not in the mood for this today.

Best player available. Key word is player.

[Poet]

Kickers. Lol

Exactly. No one would go 'omfg that kicker is better at being a kicker than that (insert different position) is at that (same position as last time).

[slim]

Exactly. No one would go 'omfg that kicker is better at being a kicker than that (insert different position) is at that (same position as last time).

Exactly. No one would. Because they are not players. So **** about it.

[Poet]

Exactly. No one would. Because they are not players. So **** about it.

I'm glad that you agree with me - blind BPA isnt' actually a thing and the positions matter.

[slim]

I'm glad that you agree with me - blind BPA isnt' actually a thing and the positions matter.

Kickers are not players and you are not smart

[Poet]

Kickers are not players and you are not smart

They are players by the virtue being professional players, and the example would also work with the top ranked FB. You are entitled to your opinion on my intellect, but the point is proven. If you want another example, no one's taking a center at the five spot, either. ;)

[SmilinAssasSin27]

Kickers' Lives Matter

[slim]

They are players by the virtue being professional players, and the example would also work with the top ranked FB. You are entitled to your opinion on my intellect, but the point is proven. If you want another example, no one's taking a center at the five spot, either. ;)

By definition, kickers, fb and centers can't be the BPA.

[Poet]

By definition, kickers, fb and centers can't be the BPA.

Okay.

[slim]

Okay.

How many kickers, FB or centers have ever been league MVPs?

[Poet]

How many kickers, FB or centers have ever been league MVPs?

This is my point about taking a guard so early, Slim. We aren't disagreeing with one another....

[SmilinAssasSin27]

FB aside...nobody cares about K, C or G...until you don't have one.

[Simple Jaded]

Jonathon Cooper has been playing out of position, he’s a C.

[Poet]

Jonathon Cooper has been playing out of position, he’s a C.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-jonathan-cooper-likely-to-get-first-crack-at-dallas-guard-job

[Simple Jaded]

When was the last time the Broncos had a LG with the awareness to pick up a late blitzer from the right side of the OL?

The answer is never.

#SafestPick
#It’sScience

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

When was the last time the Broncos had a LG with the awareness to pick up a late blitzer from the right side of the OL?

The answer is never.

#SafestPick
#It’sScience
2000?

[Ziggy]

When was the last time the Broncos had a LG with the awareness to pick up a late blitzer from the right side of the OL?

The answer is never.

#SafestPick
#It’sScience

I've never seen it done at any level, before Nelson did it. That was insane.

[Poet]

When was the last time the Broncos had a LG with the awareness to pick up a late blitzer from the right side of the OL?

The answer is never.

#SafestPick
#It’sScience

I can see it now - he picks up the blitz from that side and it doesn't matter because lol@QB
#8-84lyfe
#scienceisdead

[Simple Jaded]

I can see it now - he picks up the blitz from that side and it doesn't matter because lol@QB
#8-84lyfe
#scienceisdead

CK hits Butt for 2 yard gain on 3rd and 10.

#GodOfScreens
#KubiakThangs

[Simple Jaded]

2000?

Cold.

[Freyaka]

i like chubb, but not 100% sold either. . . nelson is my guy if we pick at five. . . though i wouldn't argue with a QB. . .


honestly, i just wanna watch the big guy maul people. . . i love nasty OLs, and as somebody else said earlier, this dude makes bolles look like a cub scout. . .

I just can't get on board with Nelson...I don't care how good he is, I just can't in my mind justify the thought of drafting a guard at 5...If we want a guard, I'd rather we trade back and grab someone later in the first. Personally, I'd prefer we grab someone like Barkley, Chubb or Fitzpatrick.

[Timmy!]

Neeellllsonnnnnnnnnnnn

[Nomad]

Neeellllsonnnnnnnnnnnn

Agreeeeeeeeeed!

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Cold.

And it’s an honest answer. Schlereth is the last LG I remember being “good”. He wasn’t an elite athlete, but he was a very cerebral player.

[Simple Jaded]

And it’s an honest answer. Schlereth is the last LG I remember being “good”. He wasn’t an elite athlete, but he was a very cerebral player.

Oh, valid point. My point was I’ve never seen it happen in Denver.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Oh, valid point. My point was I’ve never seen it happen in Denver.

You might be right. Schlereth might have had a hard time getting there even if he saw it coming from the other side. He wasn’t someone who would get downnfield quick, like Nalen.

[Ziggy]

Funny how people always want the sexy pick, which is what Chubb, Barkley or one of the QB's would be. Anyone ever watch Emmitt Smith highlights? They were sexy. Half of them are of him not getting touched until he's 3-5 yards past the line of scrimmage. That's what guys like Larry Allen and Quenton Nelson bring. A culture of dominance to the offensive line and running game. He can't do it alone, but you always start with a hall of famer. Was Emmitt Smith a good runner. Yes. Could you have plugged any number of NFL running backs behind that offensive line and had great results? Yes.

[MOtorboat]

Funny how people always want the sexy pick, which is what Chubb, Barkley or one of the QB's would be. Anyone ever watch Emmitt Smith highlights? They were sexy. Half of them are of him not getting touched until he's 3-5 yards past the line of scrimmage. That's what guys like Larry Allen and Quenton Nelson bring. A culture of dominance to the offensive line and running game. He can't do it alone, but you always start with a hall of famer. Was Emmitt Smith a good runner. Yes. Could you have plugged any number of NFL running backs behind that offensive line and had great results? Yes.

He HAS to be Larry Allen, though, if you take him at five. The risk doesn't change because it's not a marquee position. If he's Robert Gallery that's a bad pick, even if he's an average guard for 8-10 years. He HAS to be Larry Allen. The risk still exists with a guard as it does any other position.

[slim]

There is only one Larry Allen and his name is Larry Allen

[Freyaka]

There is only one Larry Allen and his name is Larry Allen

And he always looked like he had eaten 5 other guys named Larry Allen to ensure there would only be one Larry Allen.

[dogfish]

#Nelson4President
#It'sScience

[Timmy!]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/Nelson_Muntz.PNG/160px-Nelson_Muntz.PNG

[Simple Jaded]

Draft Nelson and put him at RT if you don’t want a G at 5, because ... Vasquez, Schofield, Sampro, Stephenson, Watson. (I’m forgetting someone, i’m Sure)

#It’saGthang