Who Wants Paxton?

[WARHORSE]

There was the article about Arizona possibly wanting Lynch......which made me think about John Lynch. Why? Because John Lynch loves Paxton Lynch and I wonder if he would entertain a trade for him if he doesnt like the QBs in the draft more than Paxton.......Hmmm.


Would or should John even consider it? I liked what I saw from Lynch last year considering he came from a non-pro offense and barely got to play. He had issues making the playcalls initially...to be expected.....but he came in a showed alot of potential. He also showed some rookie mistakes....all good. Thing is, the jury is out on whether hes the man. I dont see that we can tell anything from the small sample that would convince us either way which makes me think Elway could be in the same position.

Siemian has shown well for himself and I liked how he played. Paxton has the gun and the super high ceiling, but if someone offers a high pick for Paxton......do we take it?

If Paxton ends up being a stud.......oh my.

If Pax ends up being a dud........oh yeah.

The general feel of what Ive heard seems to be that Siemian will probably win the job again this offseason.

If thats the case, do you swap with the 9ers if they offer the second pick?
The Browns at 12 if Foster is there or Howard?

It sure would be interesting to find out what John would do in that scenario.

Potential takers:

9ers
Chicago
Browns
Jets
Buffalo
Arizona
Texans
Kansas City


So the question is......under what offer do you trade Paxton......or do you keep him?

In this draft, if I even got an offer, I would make it a first and second to pry him away, because if theyre that desperate .....theyre that desperate.

Paxton could be the man.
But so could Siemian.

[MOtorboat]

No one wants Lynch.

[Canmore]

Mensa does.

[Magnificent Seven]

Keep him for season 2017. If Siemian is a darn good QB... then trade Lynch after this season.

[WARHORSE]

You never know. This draft is deep in so many areas yet so shallow with QBs. I think Mahomes goes in the first along with Trubisky, Watson too but I dont think anyone particularly wants to do that.

Lynch, especially with a year under his belt has more than any of these guys imo. So why not trade for him?

It would seem plausible if you need a gunslinger and have no desire to ride the season with Hoyer or some other scrub vet for your QB. That screams LOSER to your whole team.

[MOtorboat]

You never know. This draft is deep in so many areas yet so shallow with QBs. I think Mahomes goes in the first along with Trubisky, Watson too but I dont think anyone particularly wants to do that.

Lynch, especially with a year under his belt has more than any of these guys imo. So why not trade for him?

It would seem plausible if you need a gunslinger and have no desire to ride the season with Hoyer or some other scrub vet for your QB. That screams LOSER to your whole team.

San Francisco isn't in a position to give up potential assets for anyone right now. They need all the talent they can get and rolling with what they have at quarterback is the most plausible scenario. They need talent everywhere.

[WARHORSE]

San Francisco isn't in a position to give up potential assets for anyone right now. They need all the talent they can get and rolling with what they have at quarterback is the most plausible scenario. They need talent everywhere.

What do they take.....a corner? Safety? I bet theyre desperate to trade down. Unless you have a huge difference maker, that second pick is a waste. I think the safety from LSU is theyre pick unless they find a willing partner.

If youre going to risk it......Id risk it on Paxton and put him in Shanahans hands vs any other pick.

[MOtorboat]

What do they take.....a corner? Safety? I bet theyre desperate to trade down. Unless you have a huge difference maker, that second pick is a waste. I think the safety from LSU is theyre pick unless they find a willing partner.

If youre going to risk it......Id risk it on Paxton and put him in Shanahans hands vs any other pick.

You'd risk it on Lynch because you want your team to get rid of Lynch. It's not going to happen.

[Northman]

Why did we need a separate thread for this?

[Valar Morghulis]

I just don't think anyone would trade a first for him.

[CoachChaz]

First round QB's SHOULD typically start from day one. Not only could Lynch not beat out a 7th rounder from the previous year...but he may lose the job to that same guy in year 2. No chance in hell I give up #2 overall for that guy. If I'm desperate to deal that pick, there are likely better values to be had.

[Freyaka]

I could see Arizona trading for him, no way SF gives up the #2 overall

I could see Cleveland giving up the #12 pick or Arizona the #13, but if we're being really, really honest? Elway isn't going to trade Lynch. As awesome as it would be having a high and a mid 1st rounder in our possession, it's a pipe dream.

[OrangeHoof]

Elway would be like the Falcons GM that traded Brett Favre if he dealt him now. The *only* way I trade Lynch right now is if we're getting a proven veteran LT in return and we sign Kaepernick. So, yes, if the return includes Joe Thomas but that probably means we aren't getting a high #1 pick to get McCaffrey which is what this is truly all about. This garbage is spread either by people still butt-hurt about drafting Lynch last year or people who want McCaffrey so bad they are willing to put together crazy trade offers they think will get Denver to move into the top 10.

[Hawgdriver]

I could see Arizona trading for him, no way SF gives up the #2 overall

I could see Cleveland giving up the #12 pick or Arizona the #13, but if we're being really, really honest? Elway isn't going to trade Lynch. As awesome as it would be having a high and a mid 1st rounder in our possession, it's a pipe dream.

Wow. You guys are way more down on Paxton than I would have thought.

He is still a first round talent. His measurables haven't declined.

Unlike this year's crop of QBs, his game is the most pro-ready. He has had a year of seasoning and extra development working under center.

He's easily justified at #2 overall. Franchise QBs don't happen often, and Paxton might be one.

You can't downgrade him for not starting last year, he wasn't ready and everyone knew this. We had a guy who was ready and might end up better than Lynch even if Lynch is a franchise guy.

All this applies to Siemian as well, if he is the trade bait. These guys are worth 1st round picks, high ones, or more.

Until they go out and shine their ass this year...or until one of them shows real NFL goods...

Either one of our guys is worth a 1st this year.

[Freyaka]

Elway would be like the Falcons GM that traded Brett Favre if he dealt him now. The *only* way I trade Lynch right now is if we're getting a proven veteran LT in return and we sign Kaepernick. So, yes, if the return includes Joe Thomas but that probably means we aren't getting a high #1 pick to get McCaffrey which is what this is truly all about. This garbage is spread either by people still butt-hurt about drafting Lynch last year or people who want McCaffrey so bad they are willing to put together crazy trade offers they think will get Denver to move into the top 10.

We'd be crazy to draft Mini-Mac that high. Highest I would draft him is 11 if we had the Saint's pick. To take him any higher would too much, even that is borderline.

If we got a pick that high, my hope would be we would leverage it to trade back to the low teens and gain a few more early to middle round picks.

[slim]

No one wants Lynch.

No one?

[Freyaka]

Wow. You guys are way more down on Paxton than I would have thought.

He is still a first round talent. His measurables haven't declined.

Unlike this year's crop of QBs, his game is the most pro-ready. He has had a year of seasoning and extra development working under center.

He's easily justified at #2 overall. Franchise QBs don't happen often, and Paxton might be one.

You can't downgrade him for not starting last year, he wasn't ready and everyone knew this. We had a guy who was ready and might end up better than Lynch even if Lynch is a franchise guy.

All this applies to Siemian as well, if he is the trade bait. These guys are worth 1st round picks, high ones, or more.

Until they go out and shine their ass this year...or until one of them shows real NFL goods...

Either one of our guys is worth a 1st this year.

I don't see how you can easily justify him as #2 overall. Last years crop of QB's was as bad or worse than this year's QB class and he didn't go until the end of the first last year. Why after one year of not proving anything and looking absolutely raw and unprepared would his stock suddenly jump up to the #2 overall pick.

If he had come out and done something impressive sure, but nothing that happened last year helped to increase his stock from the #24th pick in a weak QB class to the #2 pick in a weak QB class.

No way TS gets more than a 2nd round pick...

I think you value our QB's a tad bit too high.

[slim]

I don't see how you can easily justify him as #2 overall. Last years crop of QB's was as bad or worse than this year's QB class and he didn't go until the end of the first last year. Why after one year of not proving anything and looking absolutely raw and unprepared would his stock suddenly jump up to the #2 overall pick.

If he had come out and done something impressive sure, but nothing that happened last year helped to increase his stock from the #24th pick in a weak QB class to the #2 pick in a weak QB class.

No way TS gets more than a 2nd round pick...

I think you value our QB's a tad bit too high.

QB's went 1-2 last year. There probably won't be one in the top 10 this year.

How can you say that is worse than this year's QB class?

[Freyaka]

QB's went 1-2 last year. There probably won't be one in the top 10 this year.

How can you say that is worse than this year's QB class?

The guys that went 1-2 last year were dumpster trash...I mean the jury is still out on wentz...but he wasn't a guy that would have gone that high in a normal draft, he went there because he was the best of the worst. It was a terrible draft. Perhaps it's worse this year, who knows, but it's not ENOUGH worse to vault a guy who did absolutely nothing to improve his stock from the back end of the first to the top of the first.

[Hawgdriver]

I don't see how you can easily justify him as #2 overall. Last years crop of QB's was as bad or worse than this year's QB class and he didn't go until the end of the first last year. Why after one year of not proving anything and looking absolutely raw and unprepared would his stock suddenly jump up to the #2 overall pick.

If he had come out and done something impressive sure, but nothing that happened last year helped to increase his stock from the #24th pick in a weak QB class to the #2 pick in a weak QB class.

No way TS gets more than a 2nd round pick...

I think you value our QB's a tad bit too high.

Because you are also buying the extra year of development. That is worth significant draft capital. These teams want NFL difference makers. They all have big holes in their game. Paxton is the most complete and pro-ready, with the highest ceiling based on physical talent. Paxton is the best 2017 QB prospect, that's a plain fact. He's better than Kizer, Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson for a team considering drafting one of those guys.

[slim]

The guys that went 1-2 last year were dumpster trash...I mean the jury is still out on wentz...It was a terrible draft. Perhaps it's worse, who knows, but it's not ENOUGH worse to vault a guy who did absolutely nothing to improve his stock from the back end of the first to the top of the first.

dumpster trash? Is there any other kind?

You need more patience.

[Freyaka]

dumpster trash? Is there any other kind?

You need more patience.

I'm just saying, none of the guys that went in the top 10 deserved to go in the top 10 as far as QB's go. They were all reach picks because that was what was there.

Paxton may still develop into something, but most scouts said before he was drafted that he was a raw prospect. Sure he's got a year under his belt now, but the consensus was that he was 2-3 years away from being NFL ready.

With this QB class, being 1-2 years away may be a good thing, but honestly, if he's good enough to warrant a #2 pick, then we'd be stupid to let him go when our QB situation is unsure.

No matter how people try and juggle this one, there is NO WAY he would be traded for that high of a pick.

[MOtorboat]

No one?

I don't think he's tradeable. And if he is the return on investment for the Broncos would be super low.

[Rick]

I say let's see what the mobile, rocket armed kid who was said to need some development time when drafted, does in the new offense, which is a similar offense to what he ran in college, before dumping him.

[Nomad]

I say let's see what the mobile, rocket armed kid who was said to need some development time when drafted, does in the new offense, which is a similar offense to what he ran in college, before dumping him.

The new 'instant gratification' NFL. No time for development.

[MOtorboat]

The new 'instant gratification' NFL. No time for development.

Wanting to draft and play a first-round quarterback is not a new-fangled invention of the last 10 years...even in the 70s most first-round rookie quarterbacks were playing and by the second year they almost definitely were.

[Hawgdriver]

I say let's see what the mobile, rocket armed kid who was said to need some development time when drafted, does in the new offense, which is a similar offense to what he ran in college, before dumping him.

Trading him for a #2 overall is dumping him? How about for a #13? Still "dumping"? Or smart management of resources?

If you ask me, I'd roll with just one of the two QBs (yeah, I'm fine with Pax in the blind after a Siemian trade), and convert the other one into more wins. Guys like Fournette, McCaffrey, Howard, Ross, Robinson, Foster, Reddick, etc., can start on this team in 2017 and provide more expected wins than our backup QB.

Either one of our QBs could easily fetch a first round pick. Paxton has all the physical talent, plus a year of development that teams don't want to wait on (Freyaka, I have no clue where you get off saying teams want to wait a year or two for their QB to develop. that's pure rubbish). The question with him is between the ears, but even with those questions he is still better than any of these 2017 prospects right now. Those guys need more seasoning. None of them have his arm (edit: Mahomes does). Watson has great moxie, but only a 49mph arm. Paxton is a 59mph arm. Watson's arm at 49 is arguably unplayable in the NFL. Mahomes is the only gun at 60 mph. Kizer and Trub are respectable (NFL 'cut-off' is about 54mph) at 55-56.

We may just disagree on this, but either of our QBs are first round draftable. We got lucky to get an NFL starter-candidate in the 7th.

Just because you personally (anyone reading this) don't value either one as a 1st doesn't mean that the highest bidder won't see them that way. The NFL starting QB is the rarest and most coveted player on a roster. If you are a team with a huge hole there much like the Broncos have a huge hole at left tackle, you get antsy to fill that hole. It's the most critical position on the roster.

#fillholes

[MOtorboat]

Trading him for a #2 overall is dumping him? How about for a #13? Still "dumping"? Or smart management of resources?

If you ask me, I'd roll with just one of the two QBs (yeah, I'm fine with Pax in the blind after a Siemian trade), and convert the other one into more wins. Guys like Fournette, McCaffrey, Howard, Ross, Robinson, Foster, Reddick, etc., can start on this team in 2017 and provide more expected wins than our backup QB.

Either one of our QBs could easily fetch a first round pick. Paxton has all the physical talent, plus a year of development that teams don't want to wait on (Freyaka, I have no clue where you get off saying teams want to wait a year or two for their QB to develop. that's pure rubbish). The question with him is between the ears, but even with those questions he is still better than any of these 2017 prospects right now. Those guys need more seasoning. None of them have his arm (edit: Mahomes does). Watson has great moxie, but a 44mph arm. Paxton is a 59mph arm. Watson's arm is 49, arguably unplayable in the NFL. Mahomes is the only gun at 60 mph. Kizer and Trub are respectable (NFL 'cut-off' is about 54mph) at 55-56.

We may just disagree on this, but either of our QBs are first round draftable. We got lucky to get an NFL starter-candidate in the 7th.

Just because you personally (anyone reading this) don't value either one as a 1st doesn't mean that the highest bidder won't see them that way. The NFL starting QB is the rarest and most coveted player on a roster. If you are a team with a huge hole there much like the Broncos have a huge hole at left tackle, you get antsy to fill that hole. It's the most critical position on the roster.

#fillholes

I just don't think anyone is giving up a first round pick for either. I think the lowest pick you could get for either is a third or a fourth.

[Hawgdriver]

I just don't think anyone is giving up a first round pick for either. I think the lowest pick you could get for either is a third or a fourth.

That probably relates to our difference in evaluation of each player's NFL ability.

[slim]

I don't think he's tradeable. And if he is the return on investment for the Broncos would be super low.

I would trade you for cswil and a #2 pencil.

[Rick]

Trading him for a #2 overall is dumping him? How about for a #13? Still "dumping"? Or smart management of resources?

If you ask me, I'd roll with just one of the two QBs (yeah, I'm fine with Pax in the blind after a Siemian trade), and convert the other one into more wins. Guys like Fournette, McCaffrey, Howard, Ross, Robinson, Foster, Reddick, etc., can start on this team in 2017 and provide more expected wins than our backup QB.

Either one of our QBs could easily fetch a first round pick. Paxton has all the physical talent, plus a year of development that teams don't want to wait on (Freyaka, I have no clue where you get off saying teams want to wait a year or two for their QB to develop. that's pure rubbish). The question with him is between the ears, but even with those questions he is still better than any of these 2017 prospects right now. Those guys need more seasoning. None of them have his arm (edit: Mahomes does). Watson has great moxie, but only a 49mph arm. Paxton is a 59mph arm. Watson's arm at 49 is arguably unplayable in the NFL. Mahomes is the only gun at 60 mph. Kizer and Trub are respectable (NFL 'cut-off' is about 54mph) at 55-56.

We may just disagree on this, but either of our QBs are first round draftable. We got lucky to get an NFL starter-candidate in the 7th.

Just because you personally (anyone reading this) don't value either one as a 1st doesn't mean that the highest bidder won't see them that way. The NFL starting QB is the rarest and most coveted player on a roster. If you are a team with a huge hole there much like the Broncos have a huge hole at left tackle, you get antsy to fill that hole. It's the most critical position on the roster.

#fillholes

That really depends honestly.

Is Paxton a franchise QB? I don't know...

If he is a franchise QB, those are hard to come by.

[Freyaka]

That really depends honestly.

Is Paxton a franchise QB? I don't know...

If he is a franchise QB, those are hard to come by.

It also depends on if Trevor is a franchise QB. If so, you don't need two of them on the roster. Pick one, dump the other. I doubt we roll that way, but it makes sense. I would much rather see the team fully commit to one or the other and then get rid of the other so there isn't a looming "competition"

If one of the two QB's (Either of them, doesn't really matter) takes all of the first team reps this year, they will grow more than either of them will by splitting reps.

It boils down to which one do you believe in more?

[MOtorboat]

I would trade you for cswil and a #2 pencil.

Cswil would probably tell you the same thing and then you'd need a shirt that said "all I got was this damn pencil."

[Hawgdriver]

tell me more about this #2 pencil. Ticonderoga bloodlines? How much mileage on the pencil? What is its resharpening time?

[Simple Jaded]

First round QB's SHOULD typically start from day one. Not only could Lynch not beat out a 7th rounder from the previous year...but he may lose the job to that same guy in year 2. No chance in hell I give up #2 overall for that guy. If I'm desperate to deal that pick, there are likely better values to be had.

You expected a Day one starter coming out of that offense? Times are changing, spread QB's need more time.

[Poet]

To be fair to Lynch, when he played he had the same completion percentage as TS. He also did that with far less reps and minus the extra year.

Let's have the real conversation - who can we fleece into giving up anything for TS?

[Simple Jaded]

Obviously the one scenario that the Broncos fans who fantasize about this trade refuse to entertain is the real possibility that Lynch develops into a legit Starting QB and McCaffrey isn't nearly as good as they think he is.

Not that it matters, if McCaffrey came here and fell short Broncos fans would blame Elway and the coaches. I know this from experience.

[Poet]

Jaded, are you trying to get sassy with me? ARE YOU SASS IN THAT ASS?!?!?

[Hawgdriver]

sup jaded

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[WARHORSE]

Elway would be like the Falcons GM that traded Brett Favre if he dealt him now. The *only* way I trade Lynch right now is if we're getting a proven veteran LT in return and we sign Kaepernick. So, yes, if the return includes Joe Thomas but that probably means we aren't getting a high #1 pick to get McCaffrey which is what this is truly all about. This garbage is spread either by people still butt-hurt about drafting Lynch last year or people who want McCaffrey so bad they are willing to put together crazy trade offers they think will get Denver to move into the top 10.

Actually I like Lynch and wouldnt trade him as I said unless we got a one and a two. But this is brought about because of the rumor that Arizona has an interest....rumor only imo. Simply speculation at this point but if one doesnt like discussing, no one needs to and no one is hurt.

I liked the Paxton pick last year. I like Paxton. But I like winning more and the big caveat is what do the Broncos actually think about Trevor at this point. That knowledge would say a ton about a trade like this and yes.....Kaepernick.....(unless someone wants Jay Cutler in the house) would probably be the backup.

No one wants to trade Brett Favre away.......but if we have an undeveloped Drew Brees in Trevor......it all falls our way in a homer kinda way. lol

[MOtorboat]

The "rumor" isn't even a rumor.

Arians said, in response to quarterback questions in March, that Lynch was one of several quarterbacks they were interested in in the draft last year. There is nothing else to that "article" which was written by someone who wasn't even at the press conference.

[Hawgdriver]

Mo, don't you think it's a bit irresponsible to keep adding fire to this rumor? Just let it die already.

[MOtorboat]

Mo, don't you think it's a bit irresponsible to keep adding fire to this rumor? Just let it die already.

I heard the Patriots are interested in Demaryius. I think we could give this legs.

[underrated29]

I heard the Patriots are interested in Demaryius. I think we could give this legs.



That's funny coming from you.
#mosastraightshooter

[MOtorboat]

That's funny coming from you.
#mosastraightshooter

He drops passes, UR. He just drops passes.

[Simple Jaded]

sup jaded

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr06/8/6/anigif_enhanced-buzz-1806-1389180581-0.gif

Get off my lawn!

[Simple Jaded]

Jaded, are you trying to get sassy with me? ARE YOU SASS IN THAT ASS?!?!?

I think we can get #6 from the Jets for TS, throw in Barrett and Paradis to sweeten the booty.

[FanInAZ]

To answer the question in the OP, Elway wants Paxton. End of discussion.