The List

[Hawgdriver]

of names you want to hear called when the Broncos draft in a couple weeks.

What names do you want to hear at 20?

What do you hope to hear period (ie move up for McCaffrey)?

What names do you NOT want to hear at 20?

[Hawgdriver]

I *don't* want them to draft Ryan Ramczyk. Not b/c injuries or even 1 year of D1 fb. He's a reasonable talent with fair film. It's because I don't think he really cares enough or loves football enough to help the Broncos in a meaningful way over then next 5 years.

[Ziggy]

My #1 guy is Haason Reddick. I think he can be the next great linebacker in the NFL. After that, give me Bolles, Lamp, Robinson or Ramczyk. Any of them will be day one starters. I don't see Elway passing up on a great defensive talent regardless of position though. This draft is full of corners that can be #1s. A corner wouldn't surprise me.

I wouldn't mind McCaffrey at all as long as the Broncos don't trade up for him. He should be long gone at 20.

[chazoe60]

I don't want to hear one of the OL names in the first. I know we need one but I don't think any of the guys in this draft are that big of an upgrade over what we have to justify spending a first round pick on them.

I have the nagging suspicion that in five years we'll look at this draft as a big bowl of nothing if we draft one of those OL that in most other draft classes would be second rounders at best.

[Hawgdriver]

I'd love to see any of these dudes at 20...Reddick, Foster, McDowell, McCaffrey, Mixon, Howard, Njoku, Ross, Cook, Corey Davis, TJ Watt, Peppers, and if they dropped...Humphrey, Lattimore, Fournette, Hooker, Adams, Barnett, ... That's all I can think of off the top. Cunningham at 20 would be fine, too.

[Poet]

Want to hear - McCaffery, Ramyczk, or Bolles.

Don't want to hear - McCaffery (if we trade up) Robinson, Ross, or Cook.

[Ziggy]

I don't want to hear one of the OL names in the first. I know we need one but I don't think any of the guys in this draft are that big of an upgrade over what we have to justify spending a first round pick on them.

I have the nagging suspicion that in five years we'll look at this draft as a big bowl of nothing if we draft one of those OL that in most other draft classes would be second rounders at best.

Watch some tape of those tackles yourself. Example- Watch the Bolles against UCLA game. You can find it on youtube. He completely shuts down Takkarist McKinley(possible top 15 pick) in that game. It also shows how quickly he gets to the second level and how he finishes his blocks. There are times when he's driving his man 10 yards down the field.

watch?v=CZeNVkmyjLQ

Watch that Ramczyk vs Michigan tape. He shuts down Taco Charlton(1st round prospect).

watch?v=spnD7TuKIGc


I think that in 5 years we will be looking back wondering why all of the draft experts said that this was a weak tackle class.

[atwater27]

Malik McDowell, Reddick, or more importantly whomever the broncos have rated as best available. The top 2 tight ends seem really tempting if available, but if we don't fortify either our pathetic run D or our pathetic o line, we will be out of the playoffs again.

[turftoad]

He won't be there but I'd love to see Reuben Foster. We need a run thumping MLB. That would improve our crap run "D".
Reddick would be my second guy.

[Ziggy]

I didn't list Foster because he's a top 5 talent in my eyes and I don't think there's any way he drops. Of course if he starts to fall, Elway has shown the propensity towards trading up for great value like he did with Shane Ray.

[Hawgdriver]

We all love Reddick, but there is little talk of Reddick to Broncos in the mock world. Odd.

[Hawgdriver]

I really hope the Broncs nab a corner (elite secondary) in the first three rounds unless there is a major run on the position.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Jabril Peppers is my man crush this year

[Hawgdriver]

Jabril Peppers is my man crush this year

I noticed :D

[Simple Jaded]

Rumor is Rueben Foster might need another surgery on his shoulder, I'm not giving up on him having a Roby/Ray draft day slide right into Denver's lap.

[Simple Jaded]

Robinson LT.
Bolles LT.
Ramcyk LT.
McKinley OLB.
Njoku TE.
Humphrey CB.
Mixon RB.
Cook RB.
Ross III WR.
Foster ILB.
Davis ILB.
Reddick ILB/OLB.
Peppers EVERYTHING.
Watt OLB.

[Hawgdriver]

Robinson LT.
Bolles LT.
Ramcyk LT.
McKinley OLB.
Njoku TE.
Humphrey CB.
Mixon RB.
Cook RB.
Ross III WR.
Foster ILB.
Davis ILB.
Reddick ILB/OLB.
Peppers EVERYTHING.
Watt OLB.

No McDowell?

[Poet]

I don't think Robinson is actually that great.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I'm intrigued by Bolles.

[Hawgdriver]

I don't think Robinson is actually that great.

He's a stud of a dude, but I don't want him on this Broncos O-line right now. He's a ******* manbeast but he's ... idk man . . . lazy (not really lazy..don't have a good word for it). Not a technician to go with the mammoth crushpower. Relies on power too much, not as great in space. Still, he punked Myles G. I can't make heads or tails of him, so I'm like...pass...

[NightTerror218]

Howard or mccaffery
No tacos unless we trade down into 2nd.
To many defensive players to list.

[Traveler]

From the article:

"Yes, Joe Mixon is the most controversial player in the 2017 NFL Draft. The video that surfaced of him punching a woman is absolutely horrendous. But when it comes down to it, his immense talent (we believe he is on the same level as Ezekiel Elliott as a prospect) will prove to be far too enticing for NFL General Managers to not give him a second chance.

With all due respect to C.J. Anderson, who is still one of the better running backs in the league, Denver’s offense needs another playmaker in their backfield. Mixon fits the bill, and if he lives up to his potential, the 20-year old tailback could be the Broncos’ bell cow for several years to come. It’s worth pointing out that Denver has the organizational structure in place to take on a player with off-field baggage, such as Mixon. And his agent, Peter Schaffer, is based in Denver and could give the troubled running back a built-in support system."


http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/players-the-denver-broncos-should-target-in-the-2017-nfl-draft.html/?a=viewall

My sig has my wish list.

[Valar Morghulis]

All this talk about drafting a running back early, is fine by me, but if we don't, I would like us to offer the redskins a 6th for Matt Jones, I think potentially he could still turn into a viable NFL starter

[underrated29]

I doubt we pick at 20. Still think we move up for Cmac. We love him.

I DO NOT want to hear Ramczyk. That guy is NOT that good. Dont want to hear Ross- super fast, but I dont see amazing wr.


Want to hear: Bolles, Robinson, OJ, Njoku, Engram,Cmac, Foster, Reddik, Any Corner so far (havent looked at many) Takaarist, mixon,


I belive if Cmac is gone and we dont trade up, we trade back. I also hope/think we trade for Sheldon Richardson.

[Hawgdriver]

Dont want to hear Ross- super fast, but I dont see amazing wr.

I do. He's tricky. He'll sell himself to block in the run game. I really like this kid. Both he are Corey Davis are justified at 20 even with DT and Emmanuel on the roster.

[dogfish]

I'm good with pretty much anyone but mixon. . .

[Poet]

I'm good with pretty much anyone but mixon. . .

Character issue is your gripe, or do you think the kid sucks, or both?

[dogfish]

Character issue is your gripe, or do you think the kid sucks, or both?

I'm not cool with woman - beating douchebags. . . let Oakland have him. . .

[underrated29]

I'm not cool with woman - beating douchebags. . . let Oakland have him. . .


Dont worry, from what I have heard we really like Marlon Mack.

[Poet]

I'm not cool with woman - beating douchebags. . . let Oakland have him. . .

I understand. I believe that people can turn their lives around. I'm not saying you don't, either. I get the whole 'cool, let someone else help 'fix' the guy,' and the 'he's probably done it more than once and I don't believe he is sorry line, too.

[Hawgdriver]

Any Corner so far

My dream scenario is that the Broncos nab Sidney Jones (my #1 corner this year) with a 3d because he fell on boards after he jacked his achilles at his pro day. Gives him time to heal, besides we don't need him this year anyway. Just a pure value steal.

I like the talk of drafting a corner early.

I look at it this way. Imagine the 2017 draft class is just a bunch of scrubs who will never start in the NFL. Like, I know it's outlandish, but work with me. They are all scrubs. But 2016 and 2018 are good years, full of starters. My point is that in 2017 you draft NFL starters, not just dudes. This class has starting NFL CBs (probably a few pro-bowlers or all-pros in this mix, too) and those are pure gold like pro-bowl pass rushers. It's how we won a championship! So draft the starters, not the 'dudes.'

I haven't poured over CB tape like I have at other positions, but these are the dudes that I like at 52 (many will go in 1st round). Hopefully the Broncos look at the board in the third round and go 'dayum...this dude is still there?'

M. Lattimore
M. Humphry
K. King
G. Conley
C. Awuzie
T. White
F. Moreau
C. Tankersley

[Poet]

Robinson has basic balance issues. Let me translate that for you: Robinson can't stop speed rushers and is really a guard. Then again, I'm parroting my favorite analyst, so it's not like I'm dropping knowledge.

Ramcyzk is the best overall LT prospect. He's smart, he has the physical talent, and he's medically cleared. Wisconsin produces top flight offensive lineman. If we take him at 20 we're going to get a guy who at the very least is on par with Okung's performance last year. If that's the pick at 20 we had a good first round.

[Hawgdriver]

Robinson has basic balance issues. Let me translate that for you: Robinson can't stop speed rushers and is really a guard. Then again, I'm parroting my favorite analyst, so it's not like I'm dropping knowledge.

Ramcyzk is the best overall LT prospect. He's smart, he has the physical talent, and he's medically cleared. Wisconsin produces top flight offensive lineman. If we take him at 20 we're going to get a guy who at the very least is on par with Okung's performance last year. If that's the pick at 20 we had a good first round.

What if Ramcyzk doesn't play a snap in 2017 because his game isn't ready yet? That is the expectation with these OTs.

[Poet]

What if Ramcyzk doesn't play a snap in 2017 because his game isn't ready yet? That is the expectation with these OTs.

First round lineman don't eat bench. That kills their development. Ergo, that expectation cannot 'really' exist, imo. If that is 'true' then we should just sign King Dunlap and be done with it.

[Hawgdriver]

First round lineman don't eat bench. That kills their development. Ergo, that expectation cannot 'really' exist, imo. If that is 'true' then we should just sign King Dunlap and be done with it.

Then maybe he's not a first round lineman?

[Poet]

Then maybe he's not a first round lineman?

The tape and his physicals say otherwise, though. If you get a first round grade from Mayock you're a first rounder in my opinion.

[underrated29]

My dream scenario is that the Broncos nab Sidney Jones (my #1 corner this year) with a 3d because he fell on boards after he jacked his achilles at his pro day. Gives him time to heal, besides we don't need him this year anyway. Just a pure value steal.

I like the talk of drafting a corner early.

I look at it this way. Imagine the 2017 draft class is just a bunch of scrubs who will never start in the NFL. Like, I know it's outlandish, but work with me. They are all scrubs. But 2016 and 2018 are good years, full of starters. My point is that in 2017 you draft NFL starters, not just dudes. This class has starting NFL CBs (probably a few pro-bowlers or all-pros in this mix, too) and those are pure gold like pro-bowl pass rushers. It's how we won a championship! So draft the starters, not the 'dudes.'

I haven't poured over CB tape like I have at other positions, but these are the dudes that I like at 52 (many will go in 1st round). Hopefully the Broncos look at the board in the third round and go 'dayum...this dude is still there?'

M. Lattimore
M. Humphry
K. King
G. Conley
C. Awuzie
T. White
F. Moreau
C. Tankersley



I would ejac so hard if we got sid jones...I dont think he lasts til 3. I bet he goes early 2 at the lastest.



Robinson has basic balance issues. Let me translate that for you: Robinson can't stop speed rushers and is really a guard. Then again, I'm parroting my favorite analyst, so it's not like I'm dropping knowledge.

Ramcyzk is the best overall LT prospect. He's smart, he has the physical talent, and he's medically cleared. Wisconsin produces top flight offensive lineman. If we take him at 20 we're going to get a guy who at the very least is on par with Okung's performance last year. If that's the pick at 20 we had a good first round.


Disagree 100% not even close. On all Aspects

Robinson is the best LT in the draft. I like Bolles personally a little more, but Robinson is a LT, stud and not a g.

Ramyczk sucks. He had 1 year, got beaten like a drum against taco, takkarist, etc....Know who didnt? Robinson. He also held of Myles Garrett! Ramzyk also has issues with football, injury........I did not know all of this til I talked to MUG, he pointed it out, I went back and he was right. Ramcyzk is not even close to the best anything OL in this draft. Not even close. Lamp is actually the best of the bunch, but people knock his 1/4" short arms. Robinson can mirror. Bolles can too. Ryan Ramz is no bueno. I see a bust.

[Poet]

I've read people saying that Ram did fine against NFLesque competition. Cam is a running blocking guy with bad form...with balance issues. He's going to end up as either a guard or a right tackle. He's ten pounds off from being the next Andre Smith. Ram will outlast Cam at LT and have the better career. Cam will be out of the league in four or five years and have to do Sumo-wrestler porn.

[Traveler]

I'm actually concerned about the 1st round this year for two reasons:

Weak crop of LT's and Elway's inability to draft talented offensive linemen. Recipe for disaster IMO. BPA or trade back.

Wouldn't be upset if he whiffed on a 2nd round prospect even though he seemingly has done so with many of his 2nd round choices.

[underrated29]

I've read people saying that Ram did fine against NFLesque competition. Cam is a running blocking guy with bad form...with balance issues. He's going to end up as either a guard or a right tackle. He's ten pounds off from being the next Andre Smith. Ram will outlast Cam at LT and have the better career. Cam will be out of the league in four or five years and have to do Sumo-wrestler porn.

That is a lot of projection.

Bet me. I am all over this. Let us bet.
Stakes above;



I win: you fly out for the tailgate and buy me a good drink or two at the tailgate
You win: you fly out for tailgate ill put you up and buy you a bottle.
(and maybe steal a kidney and sell it to china or something)

[Slick]

Dibs on the stolen kidney.

[Poet]

Five years from now this bet shall be settled!

[Poet]

Dibs on the stolen kidney.

I'd give it to you right now, you monster!

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

Peppers
Bolles
Ross
Foster

I hope one of these guys is available at 20.

[turftoad]

Peppers
Bolles
Ross
Foster

I hope one of these guys is available at 20.

Read that it's been revieled that Foster failed a drug test at the combine. He may just fall a bit. I hope to 20!!

[Simple Jaded]

No McDowell?

Si, but I didn't list players out of reach. I have up hope for McDowell long ago, maybe I'm wrong.

[Simple Jaded]

Dont worry, from what I have heard we really like Marlon Mack.

Just what they need, another Devante Booker.